gaskiyamagana: No amount of your confusion in muddling, mingling and falsification of fact to justify your misguiding motive can rewrite, review or reverse sanctity and holiness of Qur'an. Knowing this is peace to your soul, cooler to your over heated-brain of criticism of Qur'an and reminder that Bible is worthless than ordinary text book of a subject written and review at any fucking time by the author or reproduce by another author.
What Jews practice is a national tradition similar to what ancient Zoroastrians used to practice but ultimately descended from Egypt. Jesus Christ who was a Jew and a self declared but unrecognized Messiah or prophet for the Jews did not start a religion. He was not even on talking terms with any Gentile talk less of wanting or trying to convert them to any theology or religion and the main person that kicked off Christianity by starting to admit Gentiles into the new sect of Judaism kicked off after the exit of Jesus Christ was Apostle Paul who never met Jesus Christ in person but he may not be the only one. That was the beginning of religion. It was an accident of history. The hitherto Jewish sect was named Christians by Grecian people in Antioch because they were all people of piety and the concept of Christ was a Grecian concept depicting a perfect son of God. The early Christians were pacifists, they were also communists for sharing belongings among themselves and a group much similar to them nowadays are the Jehovah Witnesses. They believed what they were preaching and that is the reason they had some success over the long term and gradually elites of the Roman empire that used to persecute them were being converted to the religion. Christianity is the first theology with an attitude. A know it all as well as a condescending attitude towards fellow human beings. Many of them were martyred for their beliefs but it continued to spread and eventually Emperor Constantine of Rome got converted as a result of winning a war after being prayed for by a Christian leader. Christianity became the religion of Rome and the once pacifist Christians gained ascendancy and transmogrified into the Catholic church. The day of worship was changed to Sunday and the name of the savior changed to Jesus Christ and several European concepts like holidays and etc were added to Christianity to make it European. There were however many Christian sects doing their thing as far south as Iraq, Ethiopia and maybe as far south as Nigeria over centuries. Their leaders in the Roman empire later got together to harmonize their teachings at the council of Nice and agreed that Jesus Christ and the father should be portrayed as one essence and therefore Jesus is God and the Holy spirit is another department of God. Thus was the concept of the trinity berthed but there were still Christian sects in Arab lands out of Roman or Catholic reach that were outside the immediate reach of Rome and one of these would be the one that converted Mohammed to accept the beliefs of Christianity like the prophet status of Jesus Christ as well as his virgin birth as both tales were only being spread by Christians back then. Jews till today do not accept any of the claims. To them, Jesus was born out of wedlock to Pantheras a Roman soldier and he was not a Prophet or messiah but an apostate or heretic for declaring himself King of the Jews, greater than David, Abraham etc and at par with God. Mohammed therefore listened to the Christians and created his own version of Christianity as did the Mormons, the JW and hundreds of others centuries later. There is no difference. They did this because the normal tendency or inbuilt attribute of human beings is to innovate and no threat in any holy book can be able to actually end innovation and reduce human beings to proper zombies. Since then the wild fire of religion has continued spreading not much different from the wild fire of Marxism that sought to end the private ownership of all means of production or even property. The arguments of Marxism however is sounder than the arguments of religion ie Christianity and Islam. Religion did not introduce non idolatrous worship because we have always had non idolators on Earth in every culture but they were not belligerent against polytheists or idolators and etc. The belligerence, mind manipulation, violence, murder, rape, arson, bigotry, hate and etc in the name of God are all innovations of religion. A religion is a bad programming or bad culture similar to a viral attack on a computer. That is the short history of religion and as at July 25 2023 AD, it is still spreading. None of the two religions is more dangerous than the other.
TenQ: I can almost bet a full cow that these people will NOT show up. There is no way to defend the Illogicality of their Standard Islamic narrative of the Origin of the Quran.
Just a little question and you notice that it has all being a fabrication all along.
The Muslims of nowaday are just as bad as the Muslims of the old. The only difference is that 1. Information abounds now thanks be to the invention of the Printing Press and the Internet. Information is NOT easy to delete and replace nowadays 2. A huge portion of the Tafsirs were put as a response to Jewish and Christian criticism of the Quran and islam. 3. The knowledge of Science and History is more vast now than in the olden days: thus, thing they assumed as true in those days have been shown to be blatant falsehood. 4. Islam wrote all their literatures of the Quran, Hadiths, Tafsirs and History at the moment of the height of their powers: Unfortunately now, the power of Islam is broken except in the middle-east.
Thanks to the Internet, those of us who wouldn't be able to go learn Arabic for 20 years can translate their literatures: few things can they now hide or twist. Otherwise, they are ALL like their father who thrives in Lies, Taqqiyya, Deception and Fraud.
I must commend you my brother. Those days in school, there were harassments from some Muslims about christian literatures. There was no way to answer them. I come from a part of Yorubaland where Islam is not popular. Until I began to read your posts and watch Christian Prince, I didn't know that Islam is a pack of nonsense.
TenQ: Indeed no one can make the Qur'an like Allah BUT even Ants can do so effortlessly!
Alexander the great also made the Qur'an
Just look at how they are looking at the Questions like dullards who were given impromptu examination
Questions: 1. If Recitations of the Qur'an could not be trusted during the lifetime of Khalif Uthman, why do you think that the Recitation of Hafs (who was born 150 years after the death of Mohammed) be trusted? 2. Where are the copies of the Qur'an sent to Mecca, Medina, Kufa, Basra, Damascus, Cairo and Baghdad so that we can compare it with the Hafs Qur'an.? 3. Explain why If the Isnad of the Qur'an is broken, how can the whole Qur'an not be Daif at best? 4. Why should anyone trust the Recitation of Hafs since he and his father are known as fraudulent according to Muslim sources?
The nowadays Muslims are not honest. Those of old wrote things down the way they were. If it were to be these days, most of the references would be gone.
Let us just wait for the response of the Nairaland jihadists.
TenQ: Can they wake up! This is surely a thoroughly embarrassing post to them all: Lukuluku69, AntiChristian, LegalWolf, Vanessa7 etc
This is certainly a Question to ask their Sheikhs, their mummies and daddies when they get home.
A lie is Bursted with Simple Questions : If the Islamic Narrative of the Qur'an being written and distributed during the time of Uthman is True, how come not ONE copy of copies exist.
A whole Chapter was the Qur'an of the Jinn.
They will come and tell us that no one can make the Qur'an like Allah. Satanic verses were so much identical to the Qur'an that Mohammed and his followers didn't even know!
Even ants were part of writers! They were telling themselves to be aware of Solomon's war horses. Mohammed heard their words and wrote them down.
Thanks for notifying me. I didn't even see this post myself being a little busy. My Muslim friends here are honest people (Nairaland Ummah). I believe they are having a long sleep after Salah.
I promise on their behalf, when they wake up, they will respond.
I learned also that the Devil was one of the writers of Quran. When Allah was displeased with the development. He wouldn't want the satanic verses to be handed down to generations of Muslims, and when Mohammed was on his death bed , suffering from poison he ate, ( he, Mohammed, had earlier sworn that if his prophet hood was a lie , Allah should cut off his throat). While Allah sent the Jewess to administer the throat cutting poison, the tamed sheep edited the remaining spurious copies around. Those ones you pointed out here had already being circulated.
My friends, I don't even know I have so many of them. They will tell us more. Thanks for the good job.
lawani: One might be tempted to think Enoch Adeboye is insane for repeatedly saying he is operating with grace from the Almighty father to account for his successful serial murder of seven people but then you will be forced to admit that it is actually the teaching of Christianity. Crass immorality is what Christianity promotes. With Christ ALL THINGS ARE PERMISSIBLE. However most Christians may not have thought deep about the issue. Enoch Adeboye however knows what he is doing and the real failing of people like him and David Oyedepo is that they believe there is no God. It may sound odd but that is the reality. Enoch Adeboye and David Oyedepo have concluded in their hearts that there is no God. They are atheists and are also professional con artistes. They believe their grip on their sheep will never weaken. They do not know that they had been slated for punishment by onlookers decades ago. All they can see is how easy it has been for them to milk their followers and live a life of unmerited opulence.
It is not Yoruba people that have tradition of respect to whomever it is due. Our blodas from other side of Sun rising from the strange cardinal point think home training is man worship. It may be the reason they are restrained in Nigeria.
MaxInDHouse: It's a lie but since you choose to believe it that's your cup of coffee. Before claiming that Jesus taught his disciples to betray themselves it's not just what Judas Iscariot did once and regretted it badly rather it should be what is happening in congregation everywhere. Your Papa is a Nigerian so it's here that his greed could be clearly seen i have heard lots of things about sects whose branches are far away from Africa but it's when such is happening in my neighbourhood that i can say confidently that it's their way of doing things but as for news that's coming from afar i can never ever use that to quantify a group that i know in my territory to be good people.
No one except detractors and cynics like you always run down anything and anyone other than you and yours. Tell us what you know about the running of Winners and other churches, you don't know. All the litigations and maltreatment of your ex members are published loud and large to uncover your hypocrisies..
What oyinbo reported, no Sahara Reporters is not authentic. I laugh in JW's paradise language.
You pay heavy fines yearly to cover evil. You disfellowship people that fault your doctrines.
Talk about what is happening here in Nigeria where you and i can testify not some cyber news that you can't verify other than pictures and videos of actors. If something is wrong with my religion point to where it's happening here in Nigeria not far away after all you want me to see the bad fruit of my religion so it should be right in my own territory since there are practicers of the religion here in Nigeria.
People are talking about Muslims killing people of other religions not only in far away counties where we can't ascertain but it's also happening right here in Nigeria.
So provide evidence here not what nobody can verify!
Hahaha. . Not once, not twice..... My Papa is using my money to buy jet. You elder is using your fortune to booze ( Toni Morris) and pay court fines for lewdness. My Papa has church also in US nah.
MaxInDHouse: Guy when sane people are talking about lies in the churches where some idiots are gathering their money to enrich an individual you're supposed to keep quiet!
Who are the idiots contributing in your organization? Simpletons!
Can't you see a whooping $40m to pay for sexual assault by one of your elders? Who paid?
MaxInDHouse: So everything you people are contributing is for one man's business not for organized people like what God's people do in ancient Israel for pure worship!
MaxInDHouse: Do you know the difference between an individual owning billions of dollars and an organization owning billions of dollars?
Well our God is rich that's why His organization has assets all over the place just as the ancient temple in Jerusalem has gold and silver worth billions of dollars inside yet many Israelites aren't rich. Lesson learned: the riches belongs to the organization as a whole not any individual!
I think you preach and condemn pastorpreneurs. How did your organization amass such wealth? Okay, how you know that the riches of Anglican, Catholics, RCCG, Winner s, Baptist...., belong to individuals?
Christianity Etc › Re: Where Is The Quran Of Mohammed: Is It Permanently LOST? by MightySparrow: 3:52am On Jul 26, 2023
