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agaugust: there are nigerian medical doctors, nurses, medical laboratory technologists, lawyers, accountants, etc working and doing professional business in south africa.....and they wont marry your prostitutes, my nigerian male doctor friend is married to a beautiful south african female university graduate....

we srew your women so hard they abandoned and shiboboed south african men, the thing dey pain you

http://www.ndf-sa.org/

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You want me to bring up the fact again that Nigerian women bleach their skin?. Don't even talk about looks.

Augustine Again: [size=16pt]Nigeria building nuclear power in Abuja to rule Africa and selling uranium to Russia[/size]


http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=a6xdU8aDRJCQ



[img]http://www.herald.co.zw/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/nuclear-power.jpg[/img]

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South Africa already has a nuclear power station. The very first in Africa.

agaugust: .
south africa launches satellite cube of sugar into space this week november 21

see that man pointing finger and asking..."na wetin be dis ? "

https://www.westerncape.gov.za/110green/sites/green.westerncape.gov.za/files/gallery/Picture5_0.jpg
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His not just a man. His a South African. South Africa yes!! Helped India launch their satellite by tracking it at OTR.

agaugust: south african weapons are grounded, too few in number, and over-rated i actual capacity

we recently proved your 73km range artillery shells do NOT exist in your army's armoury, the best south african army artillery range is only 39km

120 artilleries, 6 qualified Gripen jet pilots, 1 air to air missile per jet fighter, 3 anti-ship missiles per valour frigate, 11 helicopter gunships....no wonder it was a major achievement to be counted behind tanzania in the war riot against M23 rebels of Congo DRC

Sweden instructors trained 6 Gripen pilots. The have been new recruits like that female Gripen pilot. Nigeria has 7 obsolete F7 jets,which Tanzania has replaced with newer ones. Nigerian air force can't fight,train and take on its air defence role at the same time.

agaugust: https://www.defenceweb.co.za/images/stories/JOINT/Flags/sa_flag.jpg


please correct your many errors

pages 1 to 845 of this thread has opened up details all the major african military powers in great depth that far superior to any other source in the world, not even Janes Defence Magazine, IISS, United Nations Arms Sales Log, SIPRI weapons database, or CIA factbook, no, not even one of the world class sources can match the military information on african countries that you will find on this thread.

you came very late, but i will help you with a summary.

Egypt's navy is not just fair, as good as that of South Africa, Algeria, and Nigeria.

Egypt's navy has 321 warships and crafts far more than South African navy's 40 warships and crafts

Egyptian navy has 6 submarines including the same Type 209 submarines as south africa that has 3 submarines

Egyptian navy has about 400 anti-ship missiles with range of over 200km, but south africa has only about 13 anti-ship missiles with range of only 70km.

Egyptian navy will sink the whole South African navy to sea bottom in one day.

So how did you say south africa has the only blue water navy in africa ? are you sick or drunk ?

what of Egypt's navy ? what of Algerian navy with Valour frigates same as south africa and Algeria has Russian submarines. what of Morocco's navy that has FREMM Frigate the most powerful warship in africa bigger and more powerful than south african valour frigates ? what of nigerian navy that has 40 Otomat anti-ship missiles on NNS ARADU a huge frigate once the most powerful in africa ?

about 7 african countries have a blue water navy, NOT only south africa. stop misinforming people and deluding yourself in delusion

ALL, i mean ALL south african major weapons that can win a war for you, are NOT made in south africa, they are all imported from Europe :

Gripen jet is made in Sweden
Hawk jet is made in Britain
Rooivalk helicopter engine is made in France
Super Lynx helicopter is made in Britain/Italy
Hercules C-130 aircraft is made in U.S.A
Augusta A109 helicopter is a product of Italy
Dakota aircraft is made in Britain/U.S.A
Olifant tank is the Centurion tank made in Britain
Badger Armoured vehicle is a product of Finland
Valour frigate warships are made in Germany
Type 209 Submarines are made in Germany

so now tell us how south african military can fight any war without all these imported European weapons ?

south african defense industry may be trying some small weapons, but it is NOT strong enough to make you number two military power in africa.

now to south african army. 50,000 soldiers is too small, if you fight algeria, nigeria, ethiopia that have 150,000 to 200,000 battle tested and experienced soldiers, they will just surround and encircle south africa's tiny inexperienced army of HIV infected ANC bushmen rebels recruited into your army to replace the better white south african soldiers who have now retired, resigned, and walked away with their experience and skills, thus making south african army very weak, cowardly and afraid to die in war, only happy to collect monthly salaries from army accounts department.

reason why south african army union had no courage of men to go back to C.A.R and defeat Seleka rebels that used SANDF paratroopers for shooting practice in march this year.

more reason why south african army is hiding behind tanzanian army for leadership and protection in Congo DRC war with ordinary M23 rebels.

south african air force Gripen jets have only 6 qualified pilots, only one missile each per aircraft, and about half of the Gripen jets are in long term cold storage with many missing spare parts used to service the few that are flying. all Augusta AW109 helicopters are grounded and unable to fly.

south african military is number 5 in africa, behind egypt, nigeria, algeria, ethiopia. FACT !!!

http://www.newstatesman.com/international-politics/2013/07/south-africas-military-meltdown

sorry bros, this is nairaland military thread of nigeria, a forum where nigerians challenge world military experts and source to prove them wrong where necessary. we dont respect any information unless we find it true and factual. thanks sir.

welcome to our world.....power of Naija, giant of Africa !

https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/nigeria-map-flag-surrounded-many-peopl-17574532.jpg

Every weapon that South Africa operates has South African parts or systems. The Hawk was produced/build in South Africa. The valour frigates are 70% South African.

agaugust: [size=16pt]nigeria still the richest country in africa by mineral reserves[/size]

http://www.punchng.com/am-business/harnessing-nigerias-solid-mineral-resources/

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I thought you said this was,'t a worthy source months ago when I posted a report from it about Nigeria soldiers overrun.

AwodwaGyanOniwe: HI EVERYONE I AM TUNISIAN ARAB I THOUGHT I SHOULD JOIN U ALL.
Yes I agree Naaigeria has a WEAK ARMY. LOUD MOUTHS BUT ZERO DELIVERY.
Clap for me.

I'm clapping for you my African brother from the North. NIGERIA IS WEAK!!!!

agaugust: .
since nigerians exposed the fact that south african army G5 and G6 artillery guns have shells of only 39km range in service as confirmed by their own official army, @andrewza has not shown face to mention his 100km range again, @Mike..Za too has kept quiet about his 73km range from which he threatened to wipe out a whole nigerian army by using 46 units of G6 artillery as if he is fighting armed robbers on the streets of cape town

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The G6 and G5 howitzers fires many shells. Only the cluster and chemical munitions were removed from service. Nigeria has no means to destroy the G6 howitzers. Nigeria can fail desperately to stop a South African offensive of mechanised units. Your air force can only deploy a around 5 or 9 F7 fighter jets,the rest will be left in Nigeria for training and air defence. If South Africa faced invasion it rise the defence budget,acquiring or producing offensive weapons like cruise missiles.

agaugust: if DENEL wants to sell its soweto made half-french Rooivalk helicopter gunships to the world, M23 rebels is a poor marketing strategy


let us analyse your Rooivalk helicopter gunship testing in what your soweto republic calls a battle

your helicopter flew against ground forces that have no single radar to detect incoming enemy aircraft.

also the M23 rebels have no single anti-aircraft missile, not even an old year 1968 SAM-7 one man shoulder carried missile.

then the few rusted 35mm anti-aircraft guns of M23 did not harm the Indian and Ukrainian air force Mi-35 Hind helicopter gunships since over one year those helicopters have been attacking M23 rebels directly at random without ant air defence threat coming up, the air raids by Ukrainian air force few months ago and artillery bombardment by Tanzanian aremy D-30 guns have already cut off the head of M23 rebels before your Rooivalk helicopter flew from soweto to k.ill the already half dead M23 rebels

mister man, fly that Rooivalk helicopter against Uganda or Eritrea in real battle and let us see if they will not shoot it down in 5 minutes.

Rooivalk helicopter has ZERO battle testing as far as intelligent human beings are concerned. thanks my friend.

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The MI-24s failed to stop M23's advanced last year. It was South African special forces whom cut off M23's head operating behind enemy lines. Calling in air strikes on M23 supply lines. Tanzania artillery was behind the FIB and FARDC,destroying one T-55 tank. SANDF mortar teams precisely hit M23 in counter mortar firing. If it wasn't for the SANDF helicopter the fighting would still be on going today.

agaugust: hahahahaha, i have to laugh today o !


see my friend, that was NOT a war at all, south african Rooivalk helicopter was NOT involved in any war with M23 rebels because the M23 is a an ordinary rebel group and NOT a national army.

south african Rooivalk helicopter has NEVER been tested in real war against any country. FACT !!!

your fellow south africans have told us that nigeria has no war experience because we only fought rebels according to them, oh yes according to them nigeria fighting 60,000 Liberian rebels is not enough to be called a war, nigeria fighting 80,000 Sierra Leonean rebels, nigeria fighting africa`s biggest war with Biafra at 500,000 soldiers combined on both sides is not a war according to you south africans.

now tell me how south african army hiding behind tanzanian army to fight only 3,000 M23 rebels becomes a war for your foolish testing of a Rooivalk helicopter gunship ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M23_(militia)

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M23 was better armed than any foe Nigeria has ever faced from 122mm howitzers,T-55,Mortars and technicals. They fled and abandoned their howitzers and ammunition when the Rooivalk started hitting them with precision. Your Mi-24 were tested in combat but their heat signature was a serious weak point which was easily exploited. The UN tried using them against the M23 without success the M23 captured Goma. And the M23 are not some hungry cannibals,they're well trained soldiers some from the RDF.

agaugust: hahahahaha, i have to laugh today o !


see my friend, that was NOT a war at all, south african Rooivalk helicopter was NOT involved in any war with M23 rebels because the M23 is a an ordinary rebel group and NOT a national army.

south african Rooivalk helicopter has NEVER been tested in real war against any country. FACT !!!

your fellow south africans have told us that nigeria has no war experience because we only fought rebels according to them, oh yes according to them nigeria fighting 60,000 Liberian rebels is not enough to be called a war, nigeria fighting 80,000 Sierra Leonean rebels, nigeria fighting africa`s biggest war with Biafra at 500,000 soldiers combined on both sides is not a war according to you south africans.

now tell me how south african army hiding behind tanzanian army to fight only 3,000 M23 rebels becomes a war for your foolish testing of a Rooivalk helicopter gunship ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M23_(militia)

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Which country between South Africa and Nigeria was involved in the biggest battle on the African soil since WW2?. On which front was South Africa hiding behind the TPDF?

Augustine Again: nigeria has about 1,500 artillery guns/howitzers, SPHA, MRLS, and Mortars, all have range from 5km to 45km....enough to k.ill any African army that challenges us (even mighty Egypt will sweat before they may overpower nigeria).

yes nigeria has satellites to secretly spy the enemy's movements/locations, and the weapons to k.ill the enemy. FACT !!!

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Nigeria's artillery pieces are obsolete. Only Bofors can be a worthy foe. The Soviet union had satellites but couldn't help them stop South Africa from whopping their butts. Or stopping South Africa nuclear weapons projects. Which still remains classified as of today.

agaugust: it is better not to waste time and money to produce a foolishly expensive and non-versatile Rooivalk helicopter gunship that will sell only 11 units in 20 years which made DENEL go into heavy debt and needed government rescue with cash. what a waste !

Nigeria and Egypt are intelligent and economically gifted enough to buy American Apache and Russian Hind helicopter gunships.

only a foolish man will boast of his d..i..c..k when he knows it is only 2 inches long.

south african Rooivalk helicopter gunship is like a 2 inches long d..i..c..k

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Nigeria can't operate those hinds if it was hit with sanctions. The Rooivalk project gave birth to Aurosud which produces all the nose fairing and cargo liners,cockpit furnishing including the galleys and wingtip EW installation for the A400M. Produces 800 C-class parts per month for the Eurofighter typhoon. Was also involved in upgrading the MI-24 to super hind. Was also involved in project carver(to build a South African fighter jet but the project was cancelled in 1988). It is the company that re-engined SAAF's C47 with Pratt and whitney turbine engines. The Rooivalk gave to South Africa's aviation industry.

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south African defense industry is nothing special,it sold only 11 Rooivalk helicopter gunship in about 20 years

South Africa sold thousands of "MRAPS" to the USA and the UK for their ops in Afghanistan. Sold seeker drones to Algeria. South Africa needs a political muscle to sell the Rooivalk.

agaugust: Nigeria is about to build and export small sized warships

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2013/11/nigerian-navy-export-war-ships/?

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South Africa is already doing that and has been doing that. South Africa is four decades ahead of Nigeria in military technology.

agaugust: Badger armoured infantry combat vehicle is NOT a south african product, it is a product of Finland, remove the Finland owned vehicle and body, and show us how the south african small gun or your missiles you mount on it, will move,work, and fight on the road/battlefield by themselves

now dont steal Finland's glory and claim it for south africa, the europeans wont like you for that

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75% South African. Ever heard about RG41? The Iklwa?....South Africa can produce anything from tanks,IFVs and APCs.

agaugust: .


[size=16pt]nigeria remains the richest country in africa by natural mine-able resources [/size]


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Mine-able? Nigeria is only rich in oil. South Africa and the DRC are the richest in that area.

rka1: You are definitely back Mr Hollywood. This just shows your naivety. No need to respond, you never read anything.

South Africa can get any missile Nigeria have in the region(SADC) to study.

rka1: Why on earth should I. It is good to keep you guessing.

We use guesses here. After accepting that your artillery can't hit targets. IT is only right that we rank your army below the battle tested/proven and hardened SA army .

rka1: Yes. Anybody can.

Tell me which source would make you believe it?.

rka1: Yes.

From which major modern battle?

rka1: rka1:

Proforce has no connection with SA Mr fantasist.

The statement still stands.

DTM will be helping Nigeria. You clearly ain't in the know.

dakingsman: C'mon, this is Nigeria, giant of all !!

This are the worst military equipment. EVER!!!!

agaugust: first, that is NOT modern war, it is 1945 second world war in which nigerian army also fought against mighty Japan's army and we defeated them in Burma jungle great battles.

german navy sank south african warships in that same war, anyway....more truth below ;

that german submarine U-boat U-714 was sunk by both a British Royal navy Destroyer warship and a South African Navy Frigate, NOT just south african navy alone. FACT !

dont come and try to deceive us here

"German submarine U-714 was sunk 14 March, 1945 in the North Sea near the Firth of Forth, by depth charges from the South African frigate HMSAS Natal and the British destroyer HMS Vivern."

http://uboat.net/boats/u714.htm

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Nigeria didn't fight in WW2. Nigerians did but not the Nigerian army. A black South African sunk a German warship too. That counts as a combat kill by South Africa. Nigeria is ill experienced compared to South Africa that is a fact.

agaugust: Russia is the second most powerful super power in the world, but Russia as a country (NOT USSR soviet union) has NO single modern war experience against another country (except against Georgia same way nigeria fought Chad and Cameroon) does that mean South Africa will defeat Russia in war ?

do you just drink beer or you also use it for a shower bath

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Read the link below. Russia. Russia is always whopping butt,with modern experience. Nigeria didn't fight Chad and Cameroon. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Chechen_War

agaugust: nigerian Bofors F-77 artillery is technically superior to its south african rival G5 artillery, show me how your G5 artillery can move by itself without being towed, show me how it can turn 360 degrees around in circles firing shells to its front, sides, and back in a few seconds....

show us how south african G5 towed artillery will be able to dance deadly makossa dance like nigerian Bofors F-77 artillery, show us now

eat the humble pie, nigerian army artillery force is the best in all africa, FACT !

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The G5 is highly mobile. It has speed of 16km/hr. Note I'm saying the G5 not the G6. SANDF artillery are not used to dance but to rain destruction with great accuracy. The G5 can move without being towed,during the Bush war it utilised as such. Can Nigeria's F-77 move without a massive convey of gun trucks,supply vehicles(carrying spares,food and water) and oil tankers?. THE G5 CAN MOVE WITHOUT BEING TOWED. Its crew can easily push it around with less effort.

agaugust: what matters is the type and range of the shells your army has in use for its artillery guns.

the final authority is south african army official website that says maximum range of G5 artillery is only 39km....fool

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155mm GV5 Towed Gun Howitzer

Calibre: 155mm
Barrel Length: 45 Calibre
Range (Sea level)
Standard: 30 km
Base Bleed: 39 km

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http://www.army.mil.za/equipment/weaponsystems/artillery/GV5_155mm_Gun%20Howitzer_Towed.htm


nigerian artillery range is equal to those of south africa, our Bofors F-77 range will match both your G5 range and G6 range.

the truth has finally come out.

wait till next for the next 7 days and i will publish the combat weakness of south african navy submarines and how nigerian navy will sink them if they try to operate inside nigerian ocean waters.

the longer we stay on this thread, the more south african weapons are proved to be much weaker than you people claim from pages 1 to 800.


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Range is useless if you can't hit your targets. Accuracy,Firing correction and target selection will decide who will win that's where Nigeria is beaten. Denel always stands ready to produce war winning systems for the SANDF. 155mm munitions can be mass produced. Did you even know that the G5 and G6 can fire radar screening/jamming shells?. Your small number of Bofors can be risked to take on the G6 and G5 at the same time.

agaugust: nigeria produces its own Amebo drones and we have Israeli made Aerostar drones too. see photos below.

nigerian navy also has Seastar sea drones armed with machine guns, we have Sea Drones but south african navy does not have.

http://www.deagel.com/news/Nigeria-Purchases-Aerostar-UAVs-and-SeaStar-USVs-for-Coastal-Surveillance_n000005157.aspx

you think only soweto has drones ? you must be drunk with excess beer

south african Rooivalk helicopters will be shot down by nigerian air defence Roland missiles or Type 90 computerized anti-aircraft guns and navy warships aspide or seacat anti-aircraft missiles.

south african Drakensberg warships has very very little protection as a supply ship, nigerian Alpha jets or L-39 jets will sink that ship with rockets.

nigerian military will roast south african military like barbecue chicken.


[size=16pt]Nigerian Navy armed Sea Drones....First in Africa and Best in the world

http://www.navaldrones.com/Seastar.html[/size]




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BuSnYfwLu4


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If you gonna talk about that Drone which is still in development. I'm gonna bring the fact the A-Darter can engage war planes,over the shoulder of the pilot. I can also bring the fact that the Umkhonto missile's range will extended to 80km. Your Roland will be shooting trees cause the Rooivalk operates at NOE in the African savannah. Show me a Nigerian drone that is used to target enemy positions or artillery more than 40km-50km. Show me a system Nigeria uses for artillery correction. Cause the G6 was designed to hit hard and move quickly before the enemy can pin point its position. Nigeria's 16 Roland can be destroyed by air strikes by SAAF's Hawks.

agaugust: Angola, Zimbabwe, Uganda, Kenya, Tanzania will fight South Africa to a draw. Nigeria will beat South Africa into coma. We will surround their army in a four pronged attack encirclement, and choke them up in the middle.

our Bofors artillery is equal to their own in range.

our F-7 jets PL-9C missiles is equal to their own in range.

our Otomat missiles are superior to their own in range.

our soldiers are 3 times more in number.

our soldiers have superior recent combat activity experience.

our air defence is superior to their own in capacity.

our artillery guns are 5 times more in number.

we have spy satellites and spy balloons, but they have none.

i just saw a major technical combat weakness in south african navy submarines, i was shocked. i will post it in the next one week

nigerian military will defeat south africa in war, it will be a long battle, but we will win. how long to win, i cannot say, maybe 6 months, i think

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Did you know our brothers in Zimbabwe have those PL missiles,which South Africa can easily get to study. Your Bofors can engage the G6 in counter battery fire,which is protected against splinters and counter battery fire. Nigeria only has around 40 something of them. A Long battle with South Africa? Do you really know that SA is capable of producing illegal weapons like chemicals and cluster munitions? Nigeria wouldn't want a long war with SA. Pretoria would never fall if a country failed to capture it in a month. Plus 1.Nigeria doesn't have the capacity to bomb South Africa's defence industry complexes around Jozi. 2. Both Nigeria and SA lack massive air lift capability,campaigns stop or slow down without supplies(munitions,food,spare parts,fresh troops etc) 3.Nigeria's systems,vehicles mostly are not fitted for the hot African battlefield. Look at the SANDF's G6 and Ratels vehicles they can carry loads of water and supplies. 4.The fact that Nigeria's air force is weak can be exploited,your columns on the ground can be bombed to ashes by the Hawks.

NaijaPikinGidi: South Africa will never accept the realities of the military might of their neighbours. The report below is by a South African journalist who clearly seems to underestimate the potency of Zimbabwe's Army. Readers' comments at the end of the article makes for interesting reading. SA should first handle Zimbabwe, Botswana, Angola, etc., before thinking of facing Nigeria ...

http://mg.co.za/article/2013-11-08-00-why-zimbabwe-cant-invade-mozambique


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[size=13pt]Why Zimbabwe can't invade Mozambique[/size]

08 Nov 2013 00:00 Ray Ndlovu


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Zimbabwe's warnings of military action in Mozambique have raised questions about the Zimbabwean army's abilities.

Zimbabwe's capacity to carry out its threat to intervene militarily in the conflict in Mozambique between government forces and the former rebel movement Renamo has come under scrutiny.

Analysts this week pointed to diplomatic, financial and logistical shortcomings they said would weigh on any deployment of troops.

Defence Minister Sydney Sekera­mayi this week upped the ante, saying Zimbabwe is on "high alert" and closely monitoring the situation.

His comments follow those of Vice-President Joice Mujuru and the Deputy Foreign Affairs Minister Christopher Mutsvangwa, who recently told BBC's Focus on Africa programme that "it would be misguided for Renamo to bring instability and expect Zimbabwe to watch".

The Mozambique government has not asked the Southern African Development Community (SADC) or Zimbabwe, with which it enjoys a long political history, for military help.

Mozambican President Armando Guebuza has said that the solution lies in dialogue.

Mutual Defence Pact
Political observers say Zimbabwe, as an SADC member, could not take unilateral military action as this would undermine the regional body.

In 2003 SADC signed a Mutual Defence Pact that encouraged the combination of member states' military forces into a SADC standby force to assist democratically elected governments that were threatened.

"Zimbabwe can certainly act in self-defence should there be any instigation of the conflict affecting the country.

However, it will be more prudent for Zimbabwe to work through SADC and to invoke the tenets of the Mutual Defence Pact in order to ensure there is stability in Mozambique," Trevor Maisiri, the senior analyst of the International Crisis Group, said.

"Unilateral action by Zimbabwe, outside of SADC, will complicate the intervention in Mozambique, as it takes away the collectivity of action on the part of SADC, which we are currently seeing in the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC)," he said.

If Zimbabwe were to intervene and the crisis escalated, the cost of a fully fledged war would put further strain on the treasury, which is already facing a tough juggling act.

Size of army
The exact number of members of Zimbabwe's standing army is secret, but it is estimated to be nearly 40 000.

Army spokesperson Colonel Overson Mugwisi asked for questions about the size of the military and its operations to be brought to army headquarters in person.

The last engagement by Zimbabwe was 15 years ago, in the DRC, where it deployed about 12 000 troops.

The actual cost of the war has been heavily contested, but figures released to Parliament by then finance minister Simba Makoni in January 2000 suggested that the government had spent $200-million during the two-year intervention.

But analysts said the government had taken into consideration only food rations, salaries and medical supplies and had overlooked other costs, such as replacing old military equipment.

They estimated that an additional $281.5-million could have been spent.

Defence industries under sanctions
Equipment may be another headache for the army. Zimbabwe Defence Industries, which is the army's procurement and investment arm, has been placed under sanctions by the West for a decade, which has made procurement difficult.

Despite this embargo, China signed a pact to supply military equipment to the government in 2007 and, in April 2008, a ship, the An Yue Jiang, reportedly delivered 1 500 rocket-propelled grenades, 3 000 mortar rounds, mortar tubes, 21 000 rifles and three million rounds of AK-47 ammunition.

The military's involvement in the Marange diamond fields has provided it with the means to fund many of its operations and exercises without having to account to the treasury.

Last year the former defence minister, Emmerson Mnangagwa, crossed swords with the former finance minister, Tendai Biti, over the recruitment of an additional 10 000 military personnel – costs that Biti said were not accounted for in the budget allocation for the defence ministry.

Defence received $101.4-million in last year's budget.

Zimbabwe needs to protect its trade route through Mozambique, especially the Beira pipeline, through which it imports $1.2-billion worth of fuel a year.

Previous interventions not in the national interest
McDonald Lewanika, director of the Crisis in Zimbabwe Coalition, said previous military engagements had benefited the ruling elite and were not in the national interest.

"We have seen that, in the past, such military interventions, like in the DRC, are propelled less by national interest and the interests of saving lives, but inspired more by the interests of politicians and the possibilities of getting footholds into the economies of the warring countries."

Gwinyayi Dzinesa, a senior researcher for the conflict prevention and risk analysis division of the Institute for Security Studies, said Zimbabwe was not prepared to engage in a full-scale war in Mozambique.

"They will wait for an indication from Mozambique but so far it doesn't look like they will ask for any intervention and it appears that their own security forces can deal with Renamo," Dzinesa said.

Botswana,Angola and Zimbabwe? Countries which South Africa carried out raids during the Bush war?....Now that Tanzania has acquired newer 14 F 7 jets,better than those of Nigeria we will now rank Tanzania's air force above that of Nigeria.

rka1: What makes you think that Nigerian artillery units haven't got targeting systems. Does that make any sense to you?

Nigeria has man portable targeting systems,any country has those. Which South Africa used the 1987-1988 period. I love talking about facts..Mike..FACTS..Show me any Nigerian advanced targeting system like the SANDF's Vulture.

rka1: We are not talking about made up entries. We don't need to falsify records to prove Nigeria's combat record.

Nigeria doesn't have any combat record please. And are you saying Wikipedia made up that shot?