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agaugust: show us any war south africa has ever won in its history

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World war 2. The biggest war mankind has ever seen. Answer questions with answers not questions like the dummy boy in a high school class. GET IT?

agaugust: you are more like a street policeman in soweto since you dont know that nigerian Super Tucano is a special purpose COIN warplane that can fly from a cleared farm land where a Gripen jet cannot land or take off.

mighty America and great Nigeria are wise to buy the Super Tucano aircraft.

if south africa had only one Super Tucano light warplane in Bangui C.A.R, seleka rebels would not have roasted your soldiers like groundnuts

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If South Africa deployed its air force against seleka would fail have to validate what or what was said about SA soldiers in CAR. Which was protecting their base. Nigeria is no great,you're buying those planes to help with the failing operation against Boko haram.

agaugust: nigerian palmaria mobile artillery entered service in Italy in 1982, while south african G6 Rhino artillery entered service in 1987, both guns are 1980`s generation and both have modern operational systems and almost at par in many aspects. palmaria artillery is still one of the best in the world and in service with NATO.

making the regular fake noise about south african G6 artillery does NOT make the gun any greater than it really is, go sit down men !

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The GV6 out ranges outclasses that palmaria SP howitzer. You think it will be easy to operate a tracked SP howitzer in Africa? With a bunch of land mines around?. The GV6 is legendary what fascinating is that only a small number has been deployed. BH STRIKING AIR FORCES BASES and AIR PORTS IN MAIDUGURI. NO GAINS SINCE MAY!!!!!!! Thousands upon thousands of your soldiers are failing to stop BH.

agaugust: PL-9 missile is 4th generation, but nigeria has the improved version called PL-9C missile for our F-7 jets and it matches south african IRIS-T missile on Gripen jet, it is very close to A-Darta missile also.

PL-10 is superior to A-Darta, read... http://www.strategycenter.net/research/pubid.181/pub_detail.asp

well, nigerian air to air missiles and those of south africa are just about equal in technical capacity

however, nigerian surface to air missiles are 5 times superior to those of south africa in technical capacity

south africa has NO BVR beyond visual range missile, only nigeria has BRV missiles called Aspide.

dont deceive yourself, south africa is NOT buying any BRV long or medium range missile in the nearest future, as your military will remain with only short range missiles for a long time

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Don't you feel ashamed when you post a link that has words like "
Almost from the beginning the PLA has relied on
foreign technology, whether from the United
States, Russia, Israel and now South Africa,"?. Nigeria doesn't eveb have that PL-10. Chinese missiles are a joke,I wonder why don't you think why the Chinese begging SA for missile and drone technology. The PL-9C is outclassed by the 5th generation A-darter.

agaugust: congo DRC is NOT a war since you guys say nigerian action in liberia and sierra leone are not wars, so stop quoting anything about south african army in Congo DRC war civil riots

fact remains that Sweden your master has ZERO modern war experience and is NOT better than nigeria in that area.

try to accept facts when you are proved wrong dude, be a mature man

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Congo is not a major war. No doubt about that,but read this quote which was in French now translated into English. "Gen Kayonga said that the RDF use to buy ammunitions from South Africa until their relationship became sour, ‘’they know all our ammunitions and so they are prepared to wipe us out if we continue to interfere in DRC issues.” Gen Kayonga highlighted that the FIB was shelling super quick rockets, delayed rockets, using BMS, new IFVs not like their old IFVs, “and with our soldiers meant to be assisting the M23 were dying like flies, would I have just kept quiet?  The South Africans are more equipped with ammunitions to an extent of exporting weapons to the UK and USA now days, but we still believed that we could force them out with an AK47?”
Gen Kayonga pointed out that the final war against M23 was planned by the South Africans for eight weeks and was finished in just six days that shows our weaknesses. Still our top commanders have no idea how dangerous this"

agaugust: you are lost in your soweto village

Nigerian Super Tucano warplane is an ultra-modern warplane for COIN operations and multi-role light combat, USAF of America is buying 20 units of it next year 2014 for about $500 million . south africa has nothing like it, it can fly from nigeria to south africa with its super long range 4,800km.

Nigeria will have an edge over South Africa when our Super Tucano warplanes arrive next year 2014. please run into your daddy's farm and hide in the bush o !

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South Africa doesn't need them. For COIN operations SA can buy the ARHLAC which would be cheaper to operate and carry the long range Mokopa missile. Regarding you claiming an edge over South Africa next year,this is the year South Africa receives the serious A-Darter AAM. SAAF will also be acquiring BVR radar AAM(Meteor AAM maybe). South Africa will soon be acquiring heavy lift transport planes Lockheed Martin has already been to South Africa twice this year. Your super tucanos won't have advanced recce pots like SAAF's lightening. Meaning they will be flying low to carry out strikes ,well the South African army is not an insurgent force they will be easily shot down by missiles or AAA.

agaugust: every army in the world has Recce forces and Special forces, even Togo's army has it.

where was south african army Recce when Seleka rebels crawled up to the gate of your basd in C.A.R to eat your soldiers in broad daylight?

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Why don't you in detail tell us what happened in C.A.R?. Cause everyone knows SA SF fought in C.A.R and didn't take any casualty. Here's a quote which shows EW history and mission execution "At about 06h30, the ELINT/EW Douglas DC-4
became airborne and settled into a holding
pattern just south of the border. At the same
time, a flight of two Puma helicopters, under
the command of Major John Church, took off
from 'a jungle night-stop' to fly to a clearing
22 km east of Cassinga in order to set up a
Helicopter Administration Area (HAA), where
the helicopters used in the operation could
refuel. On board the two helicopters were
Commandant James Kriel, the commander of
the South African Air Force's Mobile Air
Operations Team (MAOT) and his signaller, as
well as Major James Hills, commander of Bravo
Company, 1 Bn, along with one ten-man
section from the two Hawk Groups he would be
using to protect the HAA. Also in the two
helicopters were six 200-litre drums of
helicopter fuel, and, to the consternation of
Hills, the Chief of the South African Army,
Lieutenant-General Constand Viljoen."

agaugust: nigeria holds the strategic technological edge over south africa with our military spy satellites in space, we watch jacob zuma inside his swimming pool in pretoria, we see all your military forces moving around and we delete them before they know where nigeria is firing from.

south african military has no spy satellite, they fight war blind as a bat, a world war II backward and retarded way of fighting and losing war

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Spy satellites won't help you win a war. The Soviet union used them by those didn't have effect on the battlefield. They kept their eyes on waterkloof air force air base and warm their allies of imminent air strikes. Yes,South Africa fight as a bat but we all know bats catch insects precisely. Having those satellites without a real capable force on the ground is like a legless eagle flying over a rabbit. Not harmful at all!!!!!!!!

agaugust: the only 5th generation jet fighter in the whole world is American F-22 Raptor.

Gripen jet is same 4th generation as Super Tucano. dont mess around here, south africa has NO 5th generation jet fighter, even NATO powers and WORLD powers like Britain, Germany, Russia, France etc have no 5th generation jet fighter, so where will south africa get it from ? buffoon

nigerian F-7 jet will face Gripen jet. Alpha jet and MBB 339 jet will face Hawk jet. Super Tucano will face and demolish Rooivalk helicopters since south africa has nothing in the same category as nigeria's new coming baby ......Super Tucano that will eat up all south african helicopters and drones in the air !

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The F-7 Nigeria uses is a turkey. Tanzania recognised this and slaughtered this turkey a while ago. Nigeria has 12 F-7 jets which it can deploy at the same time. South Africa has mobile radars which it would use to warn helicopter pilots and intercept jets. SAAF can ambush your super tucanos like we did with Cuban/Angolan MI-24 hindsm

agaugust: talks going on since 2012 for JF-17 Thunder between NAF and China. the jet is equal to a Gripen jet, but F-22 is a stealth jet and superior to JF-17

I hate when you lie to your fellow Nigerians. Firstly you said the F-7 was equal to the Gripen multi-role jet. Now you're saying the JF-17? I bet it can't even take the retired Cheetah C. Even Zimbabwe has shown interest in those Chinese rust buckets.

agaugust: your navy will perish if they enter nigerian waters, i wont repeat old posts/simulation of naval blockade.

our navy too can reach south africa, NNS ARADU, two NNS thunder next year 2014, and two Type 056 stealth warships, and 3 Lynx Anti-submarine helicopters are going for full upgrade and modernization, so now south african navy submarines will be victims hunted by our navy.

south african Gripen jets will fall down from the sky as NNS ARADU fires 75km beyond visual range Aspide anti-aircraft missiles.

south african slow snail speed guided bombs will all be shot down by about 20 rapid fire anti-aircraft guns from 6 nigerian warships

...your air force will not even be able to get near nigerian navy warships to launch any guided bombs beacuse they will be shot down from 75km away by nigerian navy Aspide BRV anti-aircraft missiles.

go open your basket mouth and show your teeth to Namibia and Mozambique, dont even come near west africa !

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Here are the facts 1. The Nigerian navy can't fight withstand/fight its South African counterpart 2. The Nigerian air force can't fight or it is outclassed by the SAAF 3. Your army's massive numbers will be useless against a defence with proper air force. And I told before we are not talking about future stuff. I can say the valour frigates by then will be equipped with radar vision of the umkhonto with 80km range. But you'll say "that's a dream",so I'm calling this "we would reach South Africa next year" comment a dream. You think Angola,Namibia will let your navy use their ports knowing you're looking for a battle/trouble that would set their ports in fire?. South Africa has flexed its muscle on Nigeria's face many times. YOUR WARSHIPS WILL NEED SUPPORT SHIPS TO REACH DURBAN!!!!

agaugust: keep making noises without facts to back it up.

nigerian air force is buying a 4th generation ultra-modern light multi-role warplane with very long range 4,800km enough to reach south africa flying from nigeria....better go hide under your bed

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So that super tucano will take on a 5th generation Gripen?. Remember South Africa intercepted a Mozambiquean fighter pilots defecting to South Africa?

rka1:

The current SANDF has no war history. The pilots of the by-gone SADF have long since left and you no longer have combat experienced pilots, unlike the NAF who have been engaged from SL to Liberia, via Mali and now against BH. Eat your heart out

SADF Generals,soldiers,pilots and special forces always stand ready to help South Africa. Even those who were sidelined during the integration,example being the former 32 battalion major general whom is heading operations in Kruger. Some are commentators at SANDF air shows,while some remain in the defence force. If South Africa was threatened they would be mobilised(those whom age still always them).

drag_on: Your men fought for 13hrs, what were your pilots and generals doing? Sleeping?

where in the world will 200 men face 3000 (as is claimed) while their Generals sleep and their pilots play with cards?

SANDF top command Generals were not sleeping. I can't remember the name of the base,but they were the ones whom refined the withdrawal plan. Wars or battles are difficult when politics play a major role in them.

drag_on: If you are so brave/experienced why did you sit on your arses while your ground troops got butchered in C.A.R? Are your brave pilots afraid of AAA?
They fought for 13hrs, you had more than enough time to stop the base from being overrun by dropping one umbani.

You fly your jets we fight with ours.

The Rooivalk flew a mission against AAA. South African soldiers were protecting their base,sending fighter jets would have complicated the whole thing. What would have been the end game? Bomb seleka to their starting point at the North?

Msauza: The SA Air Force is more experienced than its Nigerian counterpart. It was founded in 1920 and has seen more honours as compared to Nigerias, which was only founded in 1964.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_Air_Force

Versus:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigerian_Air_Force

Andrew Beauchamp-Proctor was one amongst the best top 10 aces of world war 1. Nigerians were still planting yams to settle battles.

drag_on: F7 are interceptors and we use alpha jets on the boko boys.Spare us, your jets dont fly,neither your pilots.

If our jets can't fly then was black magic used to get them to Zambia?

drag_on: Where were they while your gallant soldiers died in C.A.R.?

They flew to Zambia and Rooivalks to the DRC.

drag_on: The good thing about the s.tucano is that it can sit upon boko.haram for hours preventing them from moving while the alpha jets bomb them,if they attempt to move it will just bomb their position or straff them with cannon fire, its rugged nature allows it to operate from a very remote FOB.

Boko Haram leaders know they can't fight Nigeria conventionally. You can't show up to a fight with a AK-47 or AKM hoping to defeat a man who will show up with fighter jets and IFVs. They're keeping up with how good guerillas operate: Show up do some damage and hide deep into some unknown area. If any country attacked Nigeria now,the security situation in the north would deteriorate and attack from BH would increase. Followed by massive protests.

delvinmaya: actually you didnt, reading your posts reminds me of my 4 year old nephew crying and seeking attention,also not everybody in nigeria is igbo, though we all love eating yam. you should try it, you might develop brains actually. Like i said you are sounding like a broken record, claiming stuffs that no-one can prove about your army

No Nigerian wanna be a Igbo. Cause Igbos are still crying for their land. POUND THAT YAM. What is it that I failed to prove about the SA army.

agaugust: .
Nigerian Air Force Successfully Carries Out First In-Country Maintenance Of Fighter Jets


http://www.informationng.com/2013/09/nigerian-air-force-successfully-carries-out-first-in-country-maintenance-of-fighter-jets.html

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Nigeria dudes kill me or makes me feel sorry for them,when they come here celebrating achievements South Africa has already achieved years ago.

agaugust: you have always complained that nigerian wars are not modern, i am surprised to see you now quoting south african zulu spear throwing war as your national war history proof of combat capability.

i have replied the few half/quarter sensible posts you made, the other posts show the same 2nd dullest brain the world you south africans have

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Combat capability? Nigeria in history has never proven or shown any real combat capability with tanks,jets,IFVs which would be the case if Nigeria was faced with SA. You claim South Africans have the dullest brains but SA is technologically ahead of Nigeria. Has the biggest economy in Africa. Nigerians are busy killing each other over beliefs and land.

agaugust: the battle of Ore town between nigeria and biafra is one of the deadliest wars in african history.

google is your friend dude !

http://pmnewsnigeria.com/2013/02/19/biafra-the-untold-story-of-nigerias-civil-war/

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Dude that doesn't come any close to the battle of Lomba river or the battle of cassinga. Show us a real battle were Nigeria mobilised its tank squadrons and IFVs to attack a well equipped enemy. Not some marching columns war,which a attack helicopter can stop. A battle where electronic warfare was involved,jamming and stuff. Not this General black scorpion old stories.

agaugust: who's protecting the south african crew operating your own G5 artillery too ? both Bofors and G5 crew are exposed as towed howitzers.

nigerian equal to G6 Rhino is Palmaria, as both have full armour protection and 100% mobility.

the longest range of any south african army artillery is 39km according to the final authority of south african army itself on its official website.

nigerian bofors f-77 artillery range is 41km using the same type of base bleed that south africa is using for its G5 and G6 artillery guns.

we have posted sources to prove all the above, so dont take us backward.

people want new stuff on this thread and not repetitions, so i am posting nigeria's new weapons purchases for our air force today...new warplanes have been purchased for NAF and NN is restoring new anti-submarine weapons in modernization programme.

to be posted later today with national and international sources to prove it

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Palmaria equal to the GV6? Oh comedian. Official websites for South African armed forces present an imagine of a self defence force. Threaten South Africa Nigerian won't even know where did SA gain radar screening shells. Nigeria is getting funny and old warplanes for light ground attack capability. instead of purchasing a real multi-role jet. South Africa operated the Bacaneer and canberra which were all replaced by the multi-role/swing-role Griffin.

agaugust: your Gripen jet master and supplier Sweden has not been on receiving end of the firing line of a 122mm howitzer and T-55 tank in these modern times, so let south africa go fight Sweden and beat them in war.....go sign your own d.eath warrant like that

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Swedish armed forces are well funded. And part of NATO. It is a well known fact and information anyone can get that SANDF mortar strikes in the DRC were highly accurate and Recces like always operated behind enemy lines.

agaugust: i know that already.

all Tanzanian F-7 jets were delivered fully long ago, two years back in 2011, not just now.

F-7 jets dont fight alone, they need air to air missiles. show us the air to air missiles that Tanzania has on their F-7 jets.

nigerian airforce F-7 jets carry PL-9C ultra-modern 4th generation air to air missiles that costs $1 million per missile.

now show us what missile Tanzanian air force has for its F-7 jets, you think this is a police vs robbers thread ? ....fool

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Name dropping "4th generation" air to air missiles doesn't change a thing,as you've demonstrated on many occasions. SAAF has a 5th generation air to air missile,and you were the one who said "NO,This missiles have the same range". Today it is 1 December 2013 meaning we are quickly approaching the day in 2014 that SAAF will take delivery of its A-darter AAM and acquiring an interim BVR radar AAM while the Marlin missile development is on going.

drag_on: AHAHAHAHAHA. are you serious.The roovialk is so expensive buy and maintain nobody wants to buy it and your country cant afford more than 11 and you want to develop Mark2? Your A109's are grounded and your pilots are losing their airworthiness.Infact the only reason your rooviak is in the air is because the U.N. paid for it.If you cant keep your a109's flying how much more your roovialks? SMH

The Rooivalk is cheaper than any AT helo on the market compared to choppers of its class like the Apache and Tiger. Denel has two test prototypes of it,which can be used to develop mark 2,if South Africa was at the prospect of a major war. South Africa will only step up development and production of the chopper if there was an HUGE external threat which means defence spending will be increased healing SAAF's financial problems regarding further funding on the Rooivalk. And the only reason the Rooivalk is not doing well on the market is the pressure from France on interested customers. The A109s resumed flying 2 months ago they even took part in the air force demonstration in Polokwane.

drag_on: NOt only will we be receiving ours next year,we will be building another.

Let's not talk about future stuff. Cause I will bring up project millennium. SAN can attack NA and NA can't do the same.

drag_on: Your ATR-42 is a maritime surveillance aircraft. You obviously dont know they are being fitted to become mini awacs.

South Africa has air superiority over Nigeria cause SAAF can deploy 12 fighter jets while some are still available for training and integrating new weapon systems. You only have 8 pilots

SAAF has an EW capability and Nigeria doesn't. presumption is the mother of all defeats.

How many F7 will be deployed at sea? None our ships have SLAAM. (Sea launched Anti Aircraft Missiles)

How many F7 will deployed at the field to intercept ground bombings by the SAAF Hawk lead in fighter?. Our trainers are light interceptors,they can deal with your Ground Attack jets.We might choose the Alpha jet instead it is superior to your hawks.

How many F7 will deployed to carry out air strikes on SA positions?. How many F7 will be deployed to carry out Recce missions?

Are we attacking or defending in your simulation?Make up your mind.

ATR-42 in a battle situation with SA will be sea patrolling. SAAF has 8 pilots please ? prove that. Cause Swedish instructors trained 6 pilots,do you think all this years SAAF wasn't training new pilots?

drag_on: Will exit the submarine from a safe distance and do what? Swim the remaining 4260 KM?They will be dead and eaten by sharks before the go 200km. Read his post again.

South African special force did this before nothing new. Americans are doing covert insertion all the time. You're just ignorant or without knowledge about the Recces.

drag_on: This is not about Military Technology,this is about superior Armed forces,do you know the difference?Read the thread topic.

Technology is one of the factors that puts one army or makes it superior to the other. Here's are the areas that South Africa holds the edge/superior over Nigeria 1. Technology 2. Air force 3. Defence Industry 4. LGMs or PGMs 5. Proven battlefield accuracy with un-guided weapons(mortars,artillery,MRLs etc) 6. Targeting systems 7. Better understanding of the African battlefield(On high intensity battles) 8.Weapon systems adaptable to the African battlefield 9. Battlefield tested special forces........Nigeria holds the edge in numbers only.

drag_on: You must be talking about apartheid soldiers,just as Nigerians were under colonial administration during the war,so was it that the blacks in S.A. were under apartheid rule.

The South African army fought in WW2 and the Nigerian didn't. That's a fact. And answer when was apartheid introduced?