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agaugust: south african G6 artillery range is 75km built in 1987, but today 2013 america is still using Paladin artillery with range 24km same as nigerian palmaria artillery....that means south africa is wiser than america in war experience of weapons useful and effective range ? it tells you the s.tupidity of 75km range artillery in land warfare, thats why 99% of the world ignores your 75km range.

America is planning to replace the Paladin with the NLOS system. Yes,South Africa's take on combat is different from America. We have less systems so losing some would be devastating. Remember one of the need for the G6 or G5,was a system that was able to destroy airfield in long ranges since our Air force couldn't bombard them cause the foe had many fighter jets. So South Africa has a unique way of operating(less support in long ranges). And America has shown much interest in Denel land systems' G7 105mm long range howitzer. America possess a lot of Bombers and fighters,which can take the role of bombing targets in long ranges,and Nigeria doesn't. Nigeria buys international systems that require a lot of support in the battle field,this systems are suitable for well developed countries not for the African battle field. So ranges matters in Africa,our countries are not that rich to massively support their armies,in long ranges South Africa learned this during the Bush war,Nigeria still has to. GET IT? Now scream "Chineke ooo" and past out.

NaijaPikinGidi: Is your surname Stupi.d..ZA? You really don't understand yourself! With enforcement of a UN arms embargo on Nigeria and SA ... you can be sure that your capabilities will remain the very same old approach. Until you can deploy and advance into our territory undetected, we will have no qualms activating rapidly on your home turf!

I don talk finish! Nice to know how Nigeria's Nollywood will keep you entertained as we decimate SANDF in battle. Hopefully they will have mastered how to shout CHINEKE oooo like you!

Let's be realistic OK?,If we invade you in your "home turf",that would be such an advantage for the SANDF cause we would make it difficult for you produce or fly in any weapon in Nigeria. Our defence companies would have a chance to example many of their prototype weapons in combat.

chris365: pictures or links pleeaase... As you also requested.

Heart Attack LOL!!!!!!!

agaugust: both



you want me too to claim nigeria has 120km range missile to hit south african army just because we are testing them at epe lagos development station ? nigerian long range missile epe is also of unknown status like south african torgos missile.

south africa has no money to build cruise missiles when you cannot even maintain more than 6 to 14 Gripen jets out of 26.

I QUOTE :

"The status of the program is unclear. The program may have been halted due to funding problems."
http://missilethreat.com/missiles/mupsowtorgos/

dont you ever post this paper drawing missiles again, you hear ?

"Description:
Torgos is a long-range, precision-guided strike
missile, designed to neutralise enemy targets
such as hardened aircraft shelters, bunkers and
command-and-control centres at extended stand-
off ranges. Pinpoint accuracy is achieved by using
advanced navigation and autonomous terminal-
guidance technology. It will use GPS-INS
midcourse guidance, but also has thermal
imaging terminal seeker that can operate
autonomously, or allow remote control over a data
link.
The weapon was derived from the MUPSOW
programme. It is not known if Mupsow has
entered SAAF service." Everything Nigeria Designs has a lesser range than its South African counterpart.

NaijaPikinGidi: Producing weapons is not the question in such a situation. It's the deployment and use that your SANDF should worry about. Until you know how to deploy in a showdown against Seleka, don't waste your time dreaming about Nigeria. It's not about the dog in the fight, it's more about the fight in the dog! Show your ignorance and we'll help you amplify it.

Deployment?,SA has proven that in the Bush war. You can't run a war in a foreign country without,massive supplies. Your 66666666666666 guns won't be having any Italian made rounds. GET IT? I know you get it,you probably screaming "CHINEKE 000!!!!!" now LOL.

agaugust: it does not exist in reality and you cannot put south african weapon on swedish Gripen jet without technical approval from saag company of sweden, or else the missile wont work. manufacturers control weapon types you can put on their platforms.

south africa has NO cruise missile in service, all south african soldiers on this forum agree to that in our war simulation of may/june, so sharaaap !

First the company is called SAAB,and yes we can integrate South African made weapons to the Gripen like we are going to do with the A-darter(Air to air missile) under development with Brazil. Remember the Gripens SAAF bought from SAAB,have special features SA wanted. Tell me about pilots not foot soldiers. We are not Nigeria,we don't rely much on the companies who supply with weapons. GET IT?

agaugust: please shut up ! south african Torgos cruise missile does not exist in any countries weapons armoury today july 2013. it is a project still on paper and no date for its full development and use.

south africa has NO cruise missile, so sharaaap ! i wont answer your foolish posts again.

Since you have a dinosaur brain,I will ask you this simple junior high school question: If Nigeria and South Africa were in a military show down,and the UN decided to slap both countries with sanctions or a arms ermbago which country will be able to produce quality weapons or systems to deal with the enemy?

saengine: Thats nice, and im sorry for your loss. But please provide the link of the picture and let us see who is being buried. There shouldnt be a problem since im sure its a regular rifleman.

I heard he died of heart attack,when BH opened fire with Kalashnikovs hehehehe

saengine: Thats nice, and im sorry for your loss. But please provide the link of the picture and let us see who is being buried. There shouldnt be a problem since im sure its a regular rifleman.

I heard he died of heart attack,when BH opened fire with Kalashnikovs hehehehe

agaugust: please shut up ! south african Torgos cruise missile does not exist in any countries weapons armoury today july 2013. it is a project still on paper and no date for its full development and use.

south africa has NO cruise missile, so sharaaap ! i wont answer your foolish posts again.

Sorry it is Nigeria that doesn't have a cruise missile or never designed and tested one,the Torgos was developed for the Gripen and its status is unknown.

agaugust: golden casket, full military honours...gun salutes...heroe's farewell...makes you envy the fallen soldier !

[img]http://3.bp..com/-ToosoEmXHnI/T0yhfqt7TlI/AAAAAAAACyY/qvtWlIVSYS4/s1600/ojukwus-body.jpg[/img]

Died in combat or by sugar diabetes?

agaugust: south african army artillery guns 120 units

nigerian army artillery guns 660 units

please dont take this thread backwards with settled old topics. thanks.

Like I told before,South African Systems can land many shells in less minutes than your systems,in a long range,putting many guns in an area can turn into a nightmare,when the Torgos cruise missile hit its target. And what does your army use to select its targets?.binoculars?

chris365: we don't need them cos we can watch your positions from a thousand miles and counter your long rang weapons my moving closer from another front while a decoy engages you. game over.

curtsey of spy satellite and balloons.

There's no African army that can advance in front of the SANDF. Cause their eyes will be kept down in hiding positions cause of the raining G6,G5 or MRLS shells while,our mechanised units come in for the kill. Your infantry will be watched and selected as targets by this Vulture drone,any move will be met with by a MRSI from the LEGENDARY G6 SELF PROPELLED ARTILLERY SYSTEM.

agaugust: what was the 'long range invisible distance' between south african army and seleka rebels in CAR that resulted in the photo below in march 2013 ?

Should we kill "ants with a sledgehammer"?, But I think the 105mm rockets and Y2 grenade launchers worked well,cause many rebels fell in front of the brave Parabats and their Recce(special forces) supporters whom not even one died.

agaugust: i am not talking about ancient traditional warriors, that year 1995 militia boy is carrying an AK-47 rifle not in the time of shaka zulu spear throwing war. if you dont like the topic, avoid it and post MRAPS.

Well we don't have "traditional warriors" in SA. Let's talk about modern warfare,which is moving away from the traditional hand to hand,or WW1 trench warfare to long range killing. Which you don't have to see your enemy to kill him. But I still don't understand why some armies like your Nigerian armed forces,are still getting or producing short range weapons in the 21st century.

chris365: for your info, the hyena guys are not herbalist or traditionalists, they are just hustlers. There's a very big difference.

You must have poor sense of humour if you didn't see the comeback joke in that post.

No be everything be fight.

I have respect for other people's believes,so I will never tolerate any "religion jokes".

Henry120: We all have african traditional beliefs/ religions. Please do not upload.

Good,I just didn't get why this guy was trying to make a silly joke about some people's beliefs.

agaugust: if its not spam intention, and if it can be related to military for modern war or traditional war. we have traditional warriors in nigeria called 'agbekoya militia' that fought local wars against regular standard armies. sierre leone has traditional warriors called 'kamajor militia' that fought and lost to the RUF rebels until ECOMOG came to rescue.

that militia small boy with AK-47 rifle has combat weapons on his helmet, not white-man's grenades, its west african spritual grenades.
[img]http://www.corbisimages.com/images/Corbis-0000379818-014.jpg?size=67&uid=4a928ced-a61d-4c0c-9b19-c86df89d7df2[/img]
this little kid can take down any south african soldier in combat, dont under-estimate him

Don't talk about traditional warriors please. The whole world know about the brave Zulu warriors or Pedi warriors,Our(South Africa) military history(in traditional or tribal warfare) is rich. From Zulu warriors wiping out an entire british battalion in the Battle of Isadlwana,to Chief Bambata's rebellion. King Sekhukhune of the Bapedi tribe gave the british such a headache,or maybe you should read about the Great Generals warrior King Shaka Zulu produced under his rule like King Mzilikasi(whom conquered clans and tribes,till the present day Malawi and Tanzania during Mfecane or Difacane).

agaugust: south africans have too much hatred for nigerian army spy balloons. why ?





envy + hatred = high blood pressure






[size=16pt]south african military has many traditional spy balloons and land based satellites[/size]



following the absence of any spy balloons and space satellites for the south african military, its alterantive technology has been identified below. the small brown balloon shaped object in the picture below is able to reveal secret information of enemy activities from a far away distance and it is spiritually accurate for spying and targeting enemy soldiers locations and movements.

sources believe it should have been deployed in CAR against seleka rebels and thus avoid the eventual defeat and causalties suffered by south african army there.

the south african balloon is much smaller than a nigerian army spy balloon or space satellite, but it can perform spy functions too as it shows images and pictures of its target with its spiritual camera. DENEL upgrades of this proudly south african technology is much expected by 2014, though export market is not yet in the plans until it is better designed.

http://zuluculture.co.za/healing/zulu-traditional-medicines-umuthi/

south african spy balloon operations in photo below
https://zuluculture.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/iSangoma_Outside_of_Durban_South_Africa-Zulu-Culture.jpg

Would it be cool if I upload,pictures of those guys who dance with Hyenas in Nigeria. An equivalent of a sangoma in Nigeria.

agaugust: other contries are ahead of south africa so you imported Gripen jets, Valour Frigates, Type 209 Submarines....list endless.

check @THIZA'S list and name the battle tank in photo he posted, tell us the name and country of origin. you ran away from that challenge i gave you, i will help you to make a fool of yourself tomorrow morning

The South African Olifant mk1B main battle tank.
The Olifant mk1B main battle tank was developed
and produced by the Olifant Manufacturing
Company, OMC Engineering pty Ltd, based in
South Africa. Development of the Olifant started
in 1976 and first entered service with the South
African Armoured Corps in the late 1970s. OMC
Engineering later became Reumech OMC, then
Vickers OMC and, in September 2002 was
renamed Alvis OMC, following the acquisition of
Vickers Defence by Alvis plc. In September 2004,
Alvis OMC became part of BAE Systems Land
Systems.
Olifant main battle tank development
The layout of the Olifant mk1 was very similar to
that of the South African Semel tank which was
based on an upgraded conversion of the British
Centurion tanks. The Olifant has been continually
upgraded. The mk1A entered full-scale
production in 1983 and the first were in service
by 1985. In the same year that the mk1A entered
the production phase, development work was
started on the mk1B, and these tanks were in
production during the 1990s and are operational
in the South African Armed Forces.
The South African Army has 172 Olifant mk1A/B
main battle tanks in operation. The Olifant 1B
entered service in 1991. The upgrades included
the installation of a more powerful 105mm L7
cannon, a hand-held laser rangefinder and a first
generation image intensifier. The range of the
tank was increased by the installation of a diesel
engine and additional fuel tanks.
In September 2003, BAE Systems Land Systems
OMC was awarded a contract by Armscor (the
South African Department of Defence
procurement agency) to upgrade 13 Olifant
mk1B tanks. The upgrade programme included a
new powerpack from Delkon which increases
power by 15%, upgrade of gun and turret drives
by Reutech Defence Logistics, new fire control
system and target detection and engagement
system with thermal imaging capability, both
supplied by IST Dynamics. A follow-on contract for
a further 13 tanks upgraded to Olifant mk2
standard was awarded in September 2005. The
Olifant mk2 entered service in 2007.
Olifant weapons
The Olifant mk1B main battle tank is armed with
the 105mm L7 rifled cannon main gun. The gun
on the mk1B is fitted with a thermal sleeve for
sustained accuracy in firing. The mk1B carries 68
rounds of 105mm ammunition.
The tank is also fitted with a 7.62mm general
purpose co-axial machine gun and a 7.62mm
anti-aircraft machine gun.
Fire control
The driver's station is equipped with a day and
night sight and the gunner's station is fitted with
day and night sights and an integrated laser
rangefinder.
Self-protection
The glacis plate and nose of the hull have been
upgraded with the addition of passive armour and
the turret has been fitted with stand-off armour.
The installation of a double-armour floor gives the
crew additional protection against mines. The
running gear is protected against HEAT missiles
by new sideskirts.
A smoke screen can be laid by a fuel injection
system in the engine's exhaust. A fire detection
and suppression system improves the level of
survivability.
Engine
The V-12 air-cooled turbo diesel
engine provides 900hp. The tank
has been equipped with torsion bar
running gear and hydraulic dampers
have been fitted to the first and last
pair of wheels.
Mobility
The tank achieves a maximum road speed of
58km/h and the maximum range on internal fuel
is 350km. The tank can ford water to a depth of
1.5m, negotiate gradients and slopes of 60% and
30% and vertical obstacles up to 1m in height.
Olifant 2 main battle tank turret upgrade
LIW, a division of Denel, has developed the Olifant
2 main battle tank turret, which can be fitted on
an upgraded Olifant mk1B chassis, providing the
tank with hunter killer modes of operation, fire on
the move and day and night time engagement.
The turret can be armed with either LIW's GT8
105mm or an LIW 120mm smoothbore gun and
features periscopic stabilised day / thermal
gunner's sight with laser rangefinder, panoramic
commander's sight, full solution fire control
system and modular armour package." I'm back, GET IT?

agaugust: south africa has never built a tank and no plans to build one yet. that tank in @THIZA's post is NOT a south african made tank, it is british made, you just upgraded it, simple.

would you like to argue about olifant tank so that i can publicly white-wash you today ? give you some embarrassments ? get it ?

"The South African Olifant mk1B main battle tank.
The Olifant mk1B main battle tank was developed
and produced by the Olifant Manufacturing
Company, OMC Engineering pty Ltd, based in
South Africa. Development of the Olifant started
in 1976 and first entered service with the South
African Armoured Corps in the late 1970s. OMC
Engineering later became Reumech OMC, then
Vickers OMC and, in September 2002 was
renamed Alvis OMC, following the acquisition of
Vickers Defence by Alvis plc. In September 2004,
Alvis OMC became part of BAE Systems Land
Systems.
Olifant main battle tank development
The layout of the Olifant mk1 was very similar to
that of the South African Semel tank which was
based on an upgraded conversion of the British
Centurion tanks. The Olifant has been continually
upgraded. The mk1A entered full-scale
production in 1983 and the first were in service
by 1985. In the same year that the mk1A entered
the production phase, development work was
started on the mk1B, and these tanks were in
production during the 1990s and are operational
in the South African Armed Forces.
The South African Army has 172 Olifant mk1A/B
main battle tanks in operation. The Olifant 1B
entered service in 1991. The upgrades included
the installation of a more powerful 105mm L7
cannon, a hand-held laser rangefinder and a first
generation image intensifier. The range of the
tank was increased by the installation of a diesel
engine and additional fuel tanks.
In September 2003, BAE Systems Land Systems
OMC was awarded a contract by Armscor (the
South African Department of Defence
procurement agency) to upgrade 13 Olifant
mk1B tanks. The upgrade programme included a
new powerpack from Delkon which increases
power by 15%, upgrade of gun and turret drives
by Reutech Defence Logistics, new fire control
system and target detection and engagement
system with thermal imaging capability, both
supplied by IST Dynamics. A follow-on contract for
a further 13 tanks upgraded to Olifant mk2
standard was awarded in September 2005. The
Olifant mk2 entered service in 2007.
Olifant weapons
The Olifant mk1B main battle tank is armed with
the 105mm L7 rifled cannon main gun. The gun
on the mk1B is fitted with a thermal sleeve for
sustained accuracy in firing. The mk1B carries 68
rounds of 105mm ammunition.
The tank is also fitted with a 7.62mm general
purpose co-axial machine gun and a 7.62mm
anti-aircraft machine gun.
Fire control
The driver's station is equipped with a day and
night sight and the gunner's station is fitted with
day and night sights and an integrated laser
rangefinder.
Self-protection
The glacis plate and nose of the hull have been
upgraded with the addition of passive armour and
the turret has been fitted with stand-off armour.
The installation of a double-armour floor gives the
crew additional protection against mines. The
running gear is protected against HEAT missiles
by new sideskirts.
A smoke screen can be laid by a fuel injection
system in the engine's exhaust. A fire detection
and suppression system improves the level of
survivability.
Engine
The V-12 air-cooled turbo diesel
engine provides 900hp. The tank
has been equipped with torsion bar
running gear and hydraulic dampers
have been fitted to the first and last
pair of wheels.
Mobility
The tank achieves a maximum road speed of
58km/h and the maximum range on internal fuel
is 350km. The tank can ford water to a depth of
1.5m, negotiate gradients and slopes of 60% and
30% and vertical obstacles up to 1m in height.
Olifant 2 main battle tank turret upgrade
LIW, a division of Denel, has developed the Olifant
2 main battle tank turret, which can be fitted on
an upgraded Olifant mk1B chassis, providing the
tank with hunter killer modes of operation, fire on
the move and day and night time engagement.
The turret can be armed with either LIW's GT8
105mm or an LIW 120mm smoothbore gun and
features periscopic stabilised day / thermal
gunner's sight with laser rangefinder, panoramic
commander's sight, full solution fire control
system and modular armour package" here's a "cut and paste" for you my brother,South Africa has even built the TTD,which was supposed to replace the Olifant(Oliphant). Now I dare you to embarrass me. South Africa is capable of producing anything military we might need taking on your army. GET IT?

chris365: i think you should read your history books very well, cos we did it alone during the Liberian and SL war. isn't that enough proof?

Unless I have been reading some wrong history,Nigeria was with ECOMOG.

agaugust: liberia and sierra leone wars 12 years non-stop operations of nigerian army, navy, air force with 15,000 men plus tanks, artillery, warships, jet fighters.....this tells me to pray for your doctor to speed up the date for your total brain transplant, surgery failed to help you.

I will keep telling you this,Nigeria has never fought any "stand alone war",which will reflect the true state of your armed forces. In Liberia and sierra leone,you were standing ground with ECOMOG forces. And when I say "stand alone" I mean like SA in CAR,without any foreign backers or organisations.

NaijaPikinGidi: A fool knows not the world beyond his nose! Why you dey answer dat yeye burger sef?

You need to see them scrambling to board Arik Air in their numbers everyday and this Mike..ZA as deluded as always sits there with his empty head stuck inside his behind talking nonsense.

I'm not talking nonsense,cause SAns whom come to Nigeria are mostly with companies. But your people down here,came for ..wait let me quote one of your brothers "we kom here for better living"

andrewza: All olfant mkb and mk2 were built in sa.

South Africa doesn't need main battle tanks,but some "experts" are saying we need them for deterrent purposes. We can just buy a fleet of wheeled IFVs like the Badger and the RG41. And are the German Leopard 2 tanks still being manufactured,cause it is the favourite for project Aorta.

Henry120: This is the last straw for me. I'm not going to reply any of your ret*arded posts anymore. As you've increasingly shown you lack the mental capacity to engage in an objective debate.

You know your place. Nigeria can't invade any country,with well organised and equipped army. If you still think,your armed forces are capable of moving their tanks or armoured vehicles in a cross country warfare. Stop dreaming.

Henry120: More

Botswana defence can destroy all your formations,since Nigeria doesn't have harmful like Egypt,South Africa and Algeria.

agaugust: Roland/Type 90 Vs Gripen/Paveway/Umbani was treated in great detail with many live combat simulations for many days by many people on this forum including @fighter pilot in months may/june. no winner, Roland and Gripen could no harm each other.

for you to write the nonsense post above, i feel like calling you the biggest liar and biggest F00L in south african navy, but i will not say it.

i feel like sending this message to your mother. i pity her.

My man!! Radar station,air fields and Anti_aircraft missile launch sites,will be destroyed by the Torgos cruise missile. Nigerian weapon systems are obsolete.

agaugust: ....because you south africa faced huge land mine threat in war against cuba and freedom fighters. every country focuses on its major area of threat. nigeria is NOT south africa. i am tired of helping your brain to find its proper thinking alignment and balancing like my vehicle tyres.

Nigeria has no cross country experience. MRAPS are not used to counter the mine field threat only slowpoke,they're suitable for counter-terrorism ops,cause of the rising IED threats. What is it that Nigeria has developed to suit their "unique operation needs"? That Zeppelin look-a-like balloon?.Do me a favour go ask your doctor for a vasectomy,so the world will never have to deal with your "type"(stupid).

agaugust: other contries are ahead of south africa so you imported Gripen jets, Valour Frigates, Type 209 Submarines....list endless.

check @THIZA'S list and name the battle tank in photo he posted, tell us the name and country of origin. you ran away from that challenge i gave you, i will help you to make a fool of yourself tomorrow morning

That's a Olifant tank. South Africa is capable of building tanks. They did so with the TTD(tank technology demonstrator). YES,the are countries ahead of SA,but we lead Africa. So shut up.

agaugust: ....because you south africa faced huge land mine threat in war against cuba and freedom fighters. every country focuses on its major area of threat. nigeria is NOT south africa. i am tired of helping your brain to find its proper thinking alignment and balancing like my vehicle tyres.

The battlefield has changed a lot since WW2,IEDs and land mines are a great threat to combat forces so MRAPS are in great need by any army stupid. Nigeria is trying to design some MRAPS with help of a SA company the DTM. Nigeria's army doesn't have a unique way of fighting. Let's talk about military stuff or I'm not gonna reply to your rubbish. GET IT?

NaijaPikinGidi: JJC feeling funky! You have jut arrived on Nairaland and feeling all dandy about your recyled stance?
Just so that you check properly for your manhood ... would it mean you and all SA men are so ugly that all your women run after Nigerian men?

Let's not talk about looks please,cause I'm tired of laughing. Please answer this,have you ever meet a south african in Nigeria?

NaijaPikinGidi: Not with your 33% brains!

Here's a list South African MRAPS Buffel,Mamba,RCV-9,RG-12,RG-19,RG-31,RG-32,RG-30,casspir and Marauder. Nigerians seek South Africans with their 33% brains "transfer them technology". GET IT?