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Donian007: At least your lies about NIGERIAN ARMY not having any MPVs and MRAPS have been proven. Was your lies aided by "ignorance" or the "pull him down" strategy? SHAMELESS LIAR!

South Africans will keep taking you to school. Show any homemade Nigerian designed MRAP without outside help. South Africa manufactures a lot of them,the USA has since bought thousands of them for the war in Iraq and Afghanistan. Let me give you a list of a few Mamba,RG41,RG31,Casspir,Mbombe,Husky and the Marauda

agaugust: so many mobile artillery guns all over the world can do those same things. google is your friend. try post on police thread, this military thread is too technical for you. i dont waste time with 'military illiterates' like you, unless you have a pretty junior sister, then we can talk

Only a few artillery systems can do this,and Nigeria doesn't possess that technology or system. Now reply with something about "Nigerian armed forces or your country's technological's state",Nigerian girls must be ugly as hell,cause all Nigerian man want a girl from SA(not a joke).now go dance with your hyena and snakes in the streets,if you don't have anything "military" to tell me.

agaugust: MRAP technology is in many other world countries too, not only south africa. we chose you to give you business like MTN, and help you make money. nigeria could have chosen china. did we choose south africa for warships technology transfer ? no , that is where you are zero and incapable, we chose china and soon france too.

nigeria is willing to teach south africa how to build a space spy ballon if you are humble enough.

ego is your problem, going to brazil to learn jungle warfare for Congo DRC operations, brazil has zero combat experience and zero war history. no brazilian soldier has every fired one single bullet against an enemy in battle. south africa goes to learn jungle war in barzil because shame and ego will nopt let you ask nigeria for help. thats why your army was defeated by rebel boys of seleka.

nigeria has excellent 15 years of jungle war experience in 3 different countries. pride goes before a fall. come and learn.

has south african military ever seen a spy balloon in their career ? show them this photo below

South Africa is above the rest when it comes to MRAPS,artillery systems and mine detecting vehicles. What's this I thought Zeppelins were used in WW1. On the battle ship thing,we don't offer used ships since Nigeria is a dumping ground for those. 200 parabats can't defend a city,from 3000 rebels but rebels whom made contact with the bats are probably dead or still horrified. Bozize's army ran like rats when mortars and RPG's started blasting,the SANDF defended their base but since Bozize ran to congo.

agaugust: most DENEL workers that use brains...white south africans

most DENEL worker that use only hands and legs...black south africans

Denel Aviation CEO is Mr Mike Kgobe,he is black. And the CEO of Denel is Indian. Stop talking rubbish.

Donian007: NIGERIA must not be South Africa, we do it our own way to suit our terrain, have you also seen how our soldiers bind 3 mags on their rifles? I think masking is better than rubbing paints like Ghana's newly formed SFs or SA recces.

Your terrain?,it is hot that side man. Regarding the paint,American Indians used to paint their faces to threatened enemies and make them feel brave in the battlefield. The SADF's 32 battalion did this in Angola,all white or black soldiers painted their faces in some dark colours. And many armies do this.

drag_on: denel is partly owned by sa government.the fact that they make arms does not mean the sandf have them in their inventory in large enough quantities or the trained personnel to man them to make them an effective fighting force in africa to warrant the ranking they believe they should have. They have poorly trained pilots and submariners their fighter planes hardly fly and any good seaman they have is quickly poached(talk abt loyalty)by other countries,and their army is ........

You wanna enjoy a humble pie?,Cause really you don't need to dance with a Hyena like your brothers in Nigeria do,to know that what you just wrote is nonsense.

solomon111: I can bet $2000 that most of the workers who are obviously white did not school in SA.

Man you're a comedian!!!we call this "the racial card" in SA. Ok here's something,Denel's CEO Riaz Saloojee is not white but Indian. People like Andrew Mears got their education here in SA. And "whites south african are south africans".

Fynline: NADCEL Cont'd

I just don't why your special forces or paratroops whatever they're,wear masks. I mean in a country like Nigeria which is hilariously hot. WHY?

solomon111: who cares?
As long as it is built in collaboration with DICON to ensure full tech transfer.

Did you just say "full tech transfer"? YEAH YOU DID!!! South Africans are taking you Nigerian boys to school,while you're mocking our education system.

agaugust: tiny 43 units of G6 artillery will not save a south africa with huge land mass of about 1.3 million sq km, does your brain work mathematics.

in war, nobody will arrange one artillery head to head to test who shoots longer. show me what makes G6 artillery better than Palmaria artillery apart from its useless long range that wont work against seleka rebels close-in hand to hand combat. G6 artillery south africa had in angolan bush war and yet could not win the war against a tine nation cuba that has zero war history

palmaria artillery has three sighting systems installed: a P170 direct firing periscope, a P186 panoramic sight for indirect sighting and a dial sight.

The P170 can be used for both observation and sighting and in the latter mode has a magnification of ×8. The optical unit of the sighting system can be replaced by a light intensification system that transforms the day periscope into a low-light device.

The P186 panoramic sight is used for indirect firing and is provided with an illuminated reticle for day or low-light level use. The reticle is fixed and pre-aligned with the optical axis.

The Palmaria also be has an electronic plane converter for rapid and accurate aiming both in direct and indirect fire.

The primary fire-control system of the Palmaria is the P186 telescope that is mounted on a telescope mount. This is used for laying the weapon in azimuth and for indirect fire control. The sight has a magnification of ×4 with a 10° field of view and weighs 8 kg. Internal communications are via the normal intercommunication system and an extra external telephone point. The turret has adequate space for normal radio installations.

Its firing can be re-directed for accuracy by help of aircrafts, land or air drones, satellite information, etc

stop wasting my time about artillery guns, south africa has 120 guns ,nigeria has 660 guns, you have to live with this fact, i wont reply you again. period

I will say this again,unless you've never read about wars it won't make sense. NUMBERS DON'T WIN WARS. Now you say I should prove why the G6 is better,here's why: 1. The G6 is capable of multiple rounds simultaneous impact (MRSI),meaning 6 shells hit the ground at the same time but fired by a single gun imagine what a battery or squadron of G6 guns can do to a groups of your artillery system or concentrated troops[Force multiplier:1 G6=20 Nigerians 155mm SP guns] 2. The operational range of the G6 is 700km,while for your gun is only 400km meaning the G6 can be hard to track and destroy,and it is highly cross country capable. Your guns will need a lot of trucks to supply them with fuel[concentrated trucks or troops will be roast by the. MRSI] 3. The G6 has a speed of 85km/h,while your gun can go for 60km/h meaning th G6 can shoot first,hit the target and move quickly before being tracked to another target. GET IT?,now go take that humble pie out of your microwave and enjoy.

agaugust: if your made in south african brain cannot pick out european made weapons on @THIZA's made in south africa list, then you have to pay me some dollars for using my own made in nigerian brain

I'm not surprised. Nigerians do this kind of things when they're eating the humble pie. GE IT?,NO WEAPON is foreign made there.

saengine: Not all Denel products are used by the SANDF, but a good percentage are.

Not all,but Denel is state owned company with the primary role of supplying the SANDF with equality weapons. GET IT?,How's the taste of humble pie?

agaugust: [size=16pt]MRAPS of nigerian army[/size]

only a bush man in village school will say nigerian amry has no MRAPS.

nigerian army has several hundreds of Oshkosh SandCat MRAPS and Springbuck MRAPS and nigeria will be manufacturing many more MRAPS 100% built in nigeria from next year 2014.

try to do research before you open your basket mouth sir.

nigerian army sandcat MRAP

It will be built with the help of a SOUTH AFRICAN company named DTM(Drakensburg Truck manufacture),you don't want us(south africans) to post SA made MRAPS.

chris365: correct me if am wrong, but not all weapons DENEL produces are in south african military inventory but are meant for international markets. Denel is a private arms industry not government owned.
Cos i think it will be unwise for a military to post all it's equipments for the world to see.

Sorry but Denel is a state(South Africa) owned company. YOU'RE WRONG!!!!! GET IT?

agaugust: No, I don't get. South African army has very weak artillery firepower and very severe shortage of foot soldiers. Get it ? Yes you do. Stop pretending

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Weak artillery?,show me any Nigerian artillery system that can take on the G6 SP head to head,in shell exchanges. And what do Nigerian artillery systems use to select their targets?

agaugust: I have been looking for you. Some of the equipments you post are not south African made they are European weapons upgraded or only 25% built in south Africa. When I post Nigerian weapons to reply your request , I will do the same. Simple. I will reply weekend. For today and friday I need to clear the rubbish your friends are posting here.

Which weapon was made in Europe here?,and please state the name of the company producing them.

agaugust: ...and so what ? only your south africa has rocket artillery in this world ? even chad, burundi, mali etc all have it. stop posting stories that you cannot interpret on battle field combat. nigerian army will roast south african army like suya meat. go sleep jare !

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How is Nigeria's army going to roast the SANDF if they don't have "quality roasting equipment"? GET IT?

agaugust: nigerian army too, has both towed and mobile rocket launcher systems MRLS rocket artillery of several types

1. BM-21 from russia

2. APR-21 from romania

3. ARP-40 from romania

4. SBAT 70 from brazil

nigerian army will roast and barbecue south african army.

no need to consult your south african herbalist sangboma oracle to know the clear and simple unchangeable truth

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"The South African Artillery is investing in its
holding of FV2 Bateleur multiple launch rocket
systems (MLRS). It has awarded Rheinmetall
Denel Munitions (RDM) a R2 453 601.60 contract
for the procurement of Bateleur upper structure
spares. It was an extension of a similar R1 523
684.90 contract awarded last September and
takes the value of work on the system to R14 519
120.59.
The London-based International
Institute for Strategic Studies
(IISS) in its annual 2010 Military
Balance publication credits
South Africa with 51 MLRS - 26
of the 24-tube first-generation
FV1 Valkiri and 25 of the later
Bateleur. The IISS lists the
Valkiri as being in storage.
Another source puts most of the
Bateleur in storage as well.
Lt Col Clive Wilsworth in his "First in, Last
Out" (30 Degrees South, Johannesburg, 2010),
an account of South African artillery operations
between 1975 and 1989, notes the MLRS
programme, Project Furrow, started in 1974. He
added it is a common misperception that the
quest for rocket artillery only started after
Operation Savannah, the South African
intervention in Angola from November 1975,
when the Army encountered the Soviet BM21
122mm MLRS. "The massive firepower of the
MLRS was already appreciated before the first
contact in Angola."
Wilsworth adds the system was developed to
deliver "artillery strikes on soft targets - ideal
against logistic points or convoys, airfields,
concentrations of troops in open trenches or even
in the open." Development started at the Council
for Scientific and Industrial Research (CSIR) and
production as well as systems integration was in
the hands of Kentron, today's Denel Dynamics
and RDM Western Cape. He further recounts that
127mm (5-inch) was selected as the calibre for
the system as it was the same as the Kentron V3
air-to-air missile "which, with relatively minor
modifications, could be used successfully."
The warhead contained 6400 steel balls cast in a
resin sleeve to save weight and filled with a RDX/
TNT explosive mix. Two fuses were available:
direct action or proximity. "During operations the
proximity fuse was the most effective, and very
few DA fuses were ever used." The system
entered service in 1979 with the fiat instructors'
course held at Kentron South (later Denel
Somchem and now part of RDM) in May 1979.
The first use of the Valkiri in combat was in
August 1981 during Operation Protea. Wilsworth
regrettably does not discuss the development of
the Bateleur, which has not yet made a combat
debut. It does however use the same 127mm
rocket but with a 40-tube launcher fitted to a
mine-protected Kw^evo"el 100 10-ton 6x6 truck.
The weapon can fire up to 40 127mm pre-
fragmented high explosive warheads to ranges of
7.5km to 36km at sea level singly or using ripple
fire, firing up to 1 rocket per second. Reload ca
take less than 10 minutes and in/out-of-action
time is one and two minutes respectively. The
system is supported by a Kw^evo"el 100
ammunition truck carrying 96 rockets and crew
who help with the reloading.
The systems are currently allocated to the SA
Army Artillery School, Artillery Mobilisation
Regiment and 4 Artillery Regiment, all of
Potchefstroom, as well as the Regiment
Potchefstroomse Universiteit and the Transvaalse
Staatsartillerie of Pretoria". Enjoy this South African prototype vehicles pictures.

agaugust: nigeria can invade south africa, i did not say defeat you in that invasion, but enter your country and fight you on your homeland soil, and pray we dont ship 100,000 AK-47 rifles and greanades to the 500,000 nigerians who live in your country.

nigeria is a great war threat to south africa, but you cannot invade nigeria in any way

also, countries meet on 3rd party ground and fight war. america and china met and fought in a 3rd party country of korea.

south african airforce Gripen jets are better than nigerian F-7 jets, you said it, we accepted it. now this bitter pill you have to swallow....

nigerian army has 4 times bigger infantry soldiers, 5 times bigger artillery guns than south african army. about equal number of tanks and armoured vehicles

the clear advantage and superiority is on nigeria's side and we will defeat south africa if we meet on common grounds somewhere we dont know. live with that fact, or go hug a 20,000 volts electricity transformer...

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"The FV2 Bateleur is the standard multiple launch
rocket system (MLRS)of the South African
Artillery. Development and production started
after the end of the 1966-1989 Namibian "Border
War" and the system has not yet been used in
anger, unlike its smaller predecessor, the FV1
Visarend" this weapons plus the G5,G6 & armoured vehicles can stop your "advancing columns".

saengine: Maybe in your wildest dreams do you think the Nigerian army will be able to pull off what you just described. You think South African defenses will be nicely stacked in a soccer field for you to encircle. You think your 4 fronts will have nice steady supplies and firepower? By your own admission half of your guns are in 11km range. Simple long range mortars can deal with that. Reduced numbers of G5 to deal with the rest and G6 for leftovers. Not to mention you will be driving into Ratel anti armour IFV armed with Ingwe, and Special Forces with anti tank weapons etc etc. You wont make it very far. And if you think Nigeria can bring all its heavy and most modern equipment down South in one supply line, again you are being delusional. Nigerian cannot attack SA, simple as that.

It would take time for Nigeria to get all their armour to the South,delays mean they might meet the Badger Infantry fighting vehicle. Which will be rolling out of the production later this year. And they won't have air power.

agaugust: i will soon stop replying your F00LISH war/combat comments. you dont know the art of real war. you just copy and paste weapons data and you try to imagine how they can be used in your poorly informed military mind. the art of war and real life battle field combat is simply not your area of knowledge.

go bring your real soldiers in south african army to come and talk to me here. thanks. no insult intended. i am not proud.

Well I can I see you rely on insults,when you run out of facts LOL,Guess what?you just won your self the "IDIOT of the day" award. You can ask your long lost uncle somewhere in Hillbrow to come pick it up for you.

agaugust: i said america and europe dont care to build artillery guns to shoot range 75km because armies dont stay that far part in real life war, or else it is no more a war. how will tanks/armoured vehicles and infantry engage each other ?

south african military academies teach nonsense and should come to nigeria for upgrading.

if your weapon artillery is good because of range 75km, out of 150 countries of the world, only 3 will not be using it, and since 25 years ago you sold only about 150 units, even your own south africa the producer has only 43 units. please keep quite and dont use politics as an excuse, it sounds too childish.

only a south african military academy with its poor combat strategic doctrine will dream of using 43 G6 artillery gun to defeat a massive army like nigeria. while your 75km range guns are firing, nigeria's far bigger army will split into 4 different fronts and attack south africa's far smaller army from 4 positions of attack lines, two front lines, one east line, one west line . south african army will first be trapped in a nigerian army pincer formation and secondly surrounded from behind your back. that is what cuban army did to south african army and forced your country to call for peace negotiation to avoid defeat.

quote :

"Cuba considerably reinforced its troops in Angola and came to the defence of the besieged FAPLA; the South African advance was stopped at the Battle of Cuito Cuanavale, the largest battle in Africa since World War II, in which both sides have claimed victory. The bulk of the Cuban forces advanced towards Namibia further to the west, threatening to cut off the SADF-Forces remaining at Cuito. On 27 June 1988, Cuban MiG-23 fighters bombed the Calueque hydro-electric complex at 16.7367°S 14.9669°E, disabling it and killing 12 SADF soldiers. For some analysts [22] the stalemate at Cuito and the death toll and vulnerability to Cuban MiGs was viewed with apprehension by the SADF and may have had some bearing on the fact that a peace accord was agreed soon afterwards. United Nations-mediated negotiations took place with the aim of achieving peace in and independence for South-West Africa/Namibia and the South African ground troops completed their withdrawal from Angola on 30 August 1988 before the negotiations were concluded."

source :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_Border_War

south african army is too weak in fire-power and too short in man-power, nigerian army is superior and will roast south african army.

you dont know what a real life battle-field looks like. its not a clean, neat, gentle man forum, battle field is bloody, scattered, rapidly changing, interlocking and confusing.

nigerian army will wipe out the south african army, and there will be no french army at any airport for south african soldiers to run for protection like in CAR.

Nigerian army doesn't have any experience in supporting their troops or armour over long distances. They don't have MRAPS and mine detecting vehicles. The parabats didn't ran when seleka advanced,they inflicted heavy casualties on the enemy. While Bozize's army which they supposed to support disappeared,the parabats base was not overrunned. The commander (Major Stephen Jiyane) made a good decision by abandoning the base cause,what would we be there for?. Your army took years to deploy in Mali,while SANDF reacted with sending Gripens,Rooivalks,parabats and setting up a clinic close,by in case the C-in-C ordered the over of Seleka.

CraigB: Four alleged members of the Islamist Boko Haram group have been sentenced to life for their role in bomb attacks that killed 19 people.

Anyway, where is the leader? 4 BH members arrested woo-hoo! That should stop BH dead in their tracks!

Don't worry !!!!! Nigeria's president will give him a plane ticket to SA,so we can put him to jail like we did with that mend leader.

Fynline: MINUSMA erstwhile AFISMA

Please show us heavy equipment like Artillery,armoured fighting vehicles,Armoured personnel carriers,helicopters and long range mortars etc.

Henry120: Nigeria has 3 stretch variants. No african country has.

Which stretched variants,the C130J?.And how many troops can they carry?

agaugust: artillery guns do not get obsolete easily like jet fighters, they only have one job, target the enemy position and rain down shells on him. america, russia, china, india and NATO/europe are still operating the same artillery guns nigeria is using, many dated since about year 1980 till 2005.

when we are talking about artillery guns in africa, south africa should shut up ! who told you that artillery exchange combat are usually fought from long ranges 30km to 75km apart ? armies contest for land territory and always close-in on each other in engagement to capture territory.

show us war history where one country won artillery vs artillery combat because his guns have longer range. show us a source to prove that.

no army sits down and receives artillery shells on its head, if you have longer range, the enemy will bridge the gap and close in on you. that is why mobile artillery are built to run like a car on the land and in 20 minutes it closes the gap to hit you back. if you want to maintain range advantage you have to keep running backwards and then you are retreating, the enemy is capturing all the land in front of you and your army is losing the war already !

you south africans only copy and paste data, you dont know how real war operates.

why does great america, one of the most war experienced countries of the world build its year 1994 to 2002 purchased new modern Paladin mobile artillery gun with the same range of 24km/30km as nigerian army palmaria mobile artillery guns ? its because they know that the usual war distance between armies fighting is within that range, not the 75km apart that your south african GV6 gun is dreaming of. what was the distance between south african army in CAR and Seleka rebels ? were you 75km away ? Seleka captured the land, south africa ran away. would south africa have uses artillery on Seleka rebels already looking at you eye to eye. from about 3km away when they were approaching you ?

only south africa is making noise about its 75km GV6 artillery range, why did the whole world not rush to buy the gun from DENEL in thousands since 1987 till now ? only about 150 units of the gun has been sold in 25 years to only 3 countries. all armies of the world know that in real land war that excess range is useless, no enemy will sit down that far away from you.

also, how do you know what target you are hitting from 75km away, you have no way of seeing the enemy positions in another end of the town. you just waste your artillery shells hitting a cassava farm land. the enemy is mobile, evasive and too far away.

how many artillery guns does south africa have ? about 43 of the long range GV6 to defend your huge country land of about 1.3 million sq km, south african army has a great shortage of artillery firepower, the worst among the top 5 military nations of africa, you are the worst in artillery firpower.


south african artillery guns total about 120 units

nigerian artillery guns total about 660 units

firepower of nigerian artillery gun is over 5 times that of south african artillery guns, nigerian army will totally wipe out south africa army in an artillery combat

mighty palmaria mobile artillery gun of nigerian army
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You wanna know what is used to elect targets?,many methods are used from drones,troops and a ratel with a special turret. On the issue why America is not buying our guns,America has shown interest in the new Denel G7 105mm howitzer(with 36km range). America has a lot 155mm guns in their stocks.

GidiNaijaPikin: Funny chap! Are you alive on planet earth? You'll meet your waterloo if you think Ghana would be a forward base? ECOWAS is not SADC. Keep mocking your poor sense of military knowledge and continental politics. Even your kin Mr. AndrewZA will be shaking his head reading your juvenile comments.

I don't see you posting any "wise military comments",ECOWAS is that regional bloc which sat and watched Mali's towns fall to rebels hands?,How long did it take "mighty ECOWAS" to put together a peacekeeping force for Mali?,challenge me on a different topic please or say something like "Nigerian armed forces abuse their citizens,some are fleeing to neighbouring countries"

GidiNaijaPikin: We will only engage an aggressor enemy ... otherwise all we'll see is a war of words. Make the move if and when SANDF can!

War between Nigeria and South Africa is highly impossible,so what we are doing here is debate the capabilities of both countries.

Donian007: First you can't debunk the facts and points made in that post as I relieved you a bit of your ignorance so you show me the insult card. SA is not a country I haven't been to and I know where your huts are, who knows you might realy be in a hut since you think it's an insult. Drop the emotional rigalia mehn and cry me a river! And I more thing, I'm not a juvenile.

Did you know 60% of Nigerian live under the poverty line?,so let's us not talk about infrastructure(huts and stuff). Tell me something solid about your armed forces.

Donian007: First you can't debunk the facts and points made in that post as I relieved you a bit of your ignorance so you show me the insult card. SA is not a country I haven't been to and I know where your huts are, who knows you might realy be in a hut since you think it's an insult. Drop the emotional rigalia mehn and cry me a river! And I more thing, I'm not a juvenile.

Did you know 60% of Nigerian live under the poverty line?,so let's us not talk about infrastructure(huts and stuff). Tell me something solid about your armed forces.

Henry120: SAM = we've got ours
IFV. = we've got ours (PF3)
Attack helicopters = we make components for our MI-35P's

All of the above, links and photos had earlier been provided.

Of the 9 listed, we got 3, and we import the rest. However in numbers, we have 3 times the numbers in some areas above south africa.

If a conflict between nigeria and south africa, were to ensue today, we would defeat you. you lack the man-power or industry to churn out your heavy equipments in the quantity required, while nigeria already has more.

*We got more attack and utility helos than you.
*radar system, nigeria is fully covered
*mraps, I'll give it to you.

Nigeria is making copies of those old MIL MI-35 components no upgrades,only South Africa is capable of upgrading helos in Africa as we did so with Algeria. When it comes to MRAPS and IFVs South Africa is in its own league alone we have vehicles like Casspirs,Mamba,Marauda,Iklwa,Mbombe and the RG41. Do you remember when the SADF destroyed. Around 50 T-55 tanks,with the loss of 5 Olifants tanks(which are obsolete now),I'm saying this to prove that numbers don't win wars. Russian helos(MI series attack helos to be on point) have a massive infrared signal,any heat seeking missile can take them out.

agaugust: go to page 115, page 103, and page 280 of this thread, and educate yourself. nigerian military is NOT an obsolete force, it is your knowledge that is very out-dated. also list south african artillery force side by side with nigeria, and get roasted in the process. thank you.

dont make my 'Bat' stand upright, its hibernating head down for a few more days. nigeria has capacity to invade south africa with 10 battalions of mechanized troops, but south africa CANNOT invade nigeria.

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Let's be realistic Nigeria doesn't a massive air lift capability,with less than 10 C130s around 6 operational or massive sea lift capability which would be risky with super evasive SAS submarines around. All sub-Saharan countries have obsolete main battle tanks like T-55 and T-72,which SA can easily destroy with the Ratel ZT3 or Rooikat. Any attempt by Nigeria to establish an air field to provide air power to their troops can be taken out by a cruise missile or the GV6.