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hulk616:
I said the same thing black manta was wasted, the war scene I didn't Know what the hell was happening.

Blackmanta wasn't wasted. Its either u are nitpicking/trolling or u didn't understand the film. BM was literally a plot element for Orm who was a main character. BM was a min0r character and you can't focus on a min0r character in a st0ry m0re than you would a main character. James Wan time with0ut number said Aquaman had only 1 villain with two antag0nists; BM and Nereus. He never intended for 3 villains, thus nereus and BM were m0stly in the story to further Orm's arc. If James Wan had g0ne for 2 villains, same u would be here shouting. I w0nder why u didn't c0mplain abt Ulysses Klaw being wasted in Black panther after that introducti0n in Age of ultr0n.

Raalsalghul:
You couldn't have said it better. BTW, what are your thoughts on Shazam?

Shazam! Am very much interested in this film. It's one of those films that turn out to be sleeper hits. It appeals to children and has that theme centered on family and reuni0n. Seeing how Disney brought Endgame very close to its release date, one has to w0nder what Avengers' endgame is shifting fr0m its May release date. I feel Shazam would have better chances if pushed to Christmas like Aquaman and had WB had The Flash or The Batman shot in time, m0ved it to Shazam's release date. Once again WB's fault. Either way, they should expect a clash in their April slot. But am very much interested in Shazam.

Here's an honest review of Aquaman; well from my own P. O. V. I know i gave a review early but figured i overlooked some things.
The film for all it is, is a very entertaining m0vie, with a relatable character (i mean who doesn't relate with a guy whose m0ther is fr0m a different place from his dad and is rejected? If no one does, i do.)
The film starts as an ambitious m0vie but fails to meet up that criteria. And its because it failed to show m0re of the villain who was meant to stand as a representation of the theme 'the pollution of the water habitat and its c0nsequences'. I think this was due to cutting short the run time or following the MCU way which was focusing m0re on the hero and little with the villain. That's why Orm felt flat. And i think the c0nflict was rather resolved too quickly, and funny en0ugh made the same mistake as BvS; the m0ther issue. Immediately Atlanna showed up, Orm lost his grudge on the surface so to speak. He even failed to argue on the destructive and hazardous nature of the surface dwellers.
The m0vie was g0od right fr0m the beginning but like every CB film, the ending was a mess. I love all the performances; i must admit, seeing the film a sec0nd time, Jas0n M0m0a a.k.a Aquam0a nailed it.
I think i would be countering what s0me0ne said earlier abt the hum0r. The hum0r was smart, and n0t funny atimes. The highlights were where an octopus was beating drums, atlanteans placing bets and in fr0nt of them was a visual hologram displaying the odds and Arthur had the lowest odd of winning, the fight scene where an atlantean soldier runs and dips his head into a toilet system to avoid getting dehydrated. Arthur and Mera bickering and the 'we could have just peed on it' scene, and the running gag of atlantean soldiers pushing coin to Blackmanta through Orm's hologram, that was funny. If s0me0ne didn't find these scenes funny, then i doubt they'll find hum0r in any film. There are scenes meant to be funny, James Wan knew this. And abt BM being under utilized, this wasn't his story, he was an extensi0n of Orm's story arc. His beef with Arthur was only introduced so it would lead to a sequel where they get to touch m0re on the theme of 'revenge'. This film had n0thing to do abt vengeance but rec0nciliati0n hence how it ended. The sequel would see a full blown blackmanta story arc and less of Orm. 7.5 rating for the film.

hulk616:
Finally watched Aquaman.
I must say the movie was average!!!!. BvS , Wonder woman, SS, MoS are better . Nonsense dialogues, some very bad CGI like power rangers in the movie some good CGI. Wasted characters like black manta. Overall bad CGI under water, boring jokes, lot of scenes you don't want the hell is going on.
Overall 3.5/10

There's one thing abt criticism. It's objective and m0st of the times, the critic is an outsider to the intellectual work, meaning he or she is never a fan nor a hater of the intellectual property or the brain behind it. When it's fr0m either of the two, the criticism is many times n0t taken seriously.

Eh, guys. I kn0w what am asking for is impossible, but we [philfearon, shittaakeem, afobear and many of us] need to come to a common ground and stop trolling the both cb films fan threads [marvel or DC] its getting ridiculous. Promised myself i w0n't post on this thread unless there is a reas0n to, this might be one of it. Thanks.

MJBOLT:

into the spider verse

And the Oscar for best animated movie goes to

you speak as if DC or other films/animations haven't won an oscar.

philfearon:
Everyday, another Snyder ish!!!

blame Lex Luthor...

Raalsalghul:
Oh my , how art possible that the great Tonyspike has decided to be silent on this issue? Remember, you swore your allegiance to Snyder. Your duty as a knight of the Snyderverse is to lay your life for Zack whenever called to. Why, oh why have you decided to flee from your master . Why?
Pray do tell, reveal to us minions the essentials of blockbuster production.

Anyways, away from the Shakespearian antics. For every criticism I dish to Snyder, I do praise him for his visual style of filming. But if you've been into Hollywood films for a long time, you'll know some directors prefer working with a particular set of people: be it actors, music composers, camera men etc Example, have you noticed that James Wan likes working with Patrick Wilson or Antoine Fuqua with Denzel Washington? This is because they work with folks who might elevate their product at the end of the day. For the examples I gave above, perhaps they are bad at casting and prefer working with this set of actors who'll always deliver for their style of filming. For Zack Snyder, I think he needs a good story teller to work with consistently. I never criticized him for not knowing how to write, I criticized him for not been able to recognize a good script. Assuming he had a good script writer, he would have been able to conquer this weakness of his.

Or you think Chris Nolan is one of the best directors in Hollywood by his power alone? Nope. Go look at his history, he prefers working with a particular set of people: his brother Jonathan, Michael Caines, Tom Hardy, Marion Cotilliard, Hoyte van Hoytema, Hans Zimmer. I can go on and on. Nolan has been able to successfully build a team that delivers. This is what I think Snyder needs, but first he needs to start with a story teller. He's the kind of director I feel that works with whatever is given to him. Trust me, he won't get to the apex of his career with that.
But I'll always give it to him in terms of visuals. He's also good at casting. At least, he gave us Jason Momoa, Gal Gadot and Henry Cavill.

you forget that zack in all the dc films he directed barely had a say in them. He was just a yes man. He was over shadowed by N0lan and Goyer. James Wan hinted at that in his interviews [he said he'll only do aquaman if given the creative freed0m. And with the films on his CV, WB had to oblige. Snyder didn't have that. Even if he recognised a bad script, he couldn't as much change it. Do you kn0w he even had to beg N0lan to let supes kill zod in M0S before WB could agree?]

Raalsalghul:
This is one solid and good idea, but it can't happen because the movies are raking in money for them, though not as much as Marvel.

that's why critics will c0ntinue bashing their films.

philfearon:
What's even the need for Cyborg on a TV show? I thought they were doing a cyborg movie?

who told u they were doing a cyborg m0vie? Don't believe everything you hear, bro.

BlackManta:
DC streaming service keeps surprising me.
First they debuted with a serious and mature show like Titans and now we getting a Doom Patrol TV show.

For a low budget TV show, this is what Cyborg looks like and it's amazing.

I know I'm gonna get a lot of hate for this but this Cyborg looks better than what I saw in Justice League and it holds so much promise as well.

We talking low budget TV show not hundreds of millions.

This is insane.

Minemrys, Tonyspike are you seeing this..

BTW it's not CGI...

The DC shows on CW would rather have a CGI mess.
They still dey learn work.

seriously, DC owns it on Tv. I feel WB should forget abt making cinematic Dc films and focus on expanding the Dc franchise on their streaming site using Titans as a launch pad. Leave marvel to the cinema, do s0mething way different. That way they leave the critics and people get to warm up to Dc. When marvel eventually dies down make a c0me back to the cinema.

johnyace:
just when I was thinking of posting this here
I wanted to confirm if this is really happening or just some fanboy art.
I am patiently waiting for its premiere
But why wasn't cyborg included in the Titans TV show

the story for Titans seas0n 1 won't allow for a Cyborg presence or appearance.

Raalsalghul:
Personally, I think he needs a good story teller to always move with him or else.......let me not talk. But at visuals, he's a genius.

Zack's barely had time to work on scripts for his films. Its n0t like he has alot of scripts to his name or something. Sucker punch was his 1st try at a script. Snyder's been n0thing m0re than a director for hire.

TheKingIsHere:
Snyder has a PhD in writing crappy stories.

Ehe! You write as if Snyder has written dozens of screenplays. C0me on, sucker punch was his only script, he didn't write MOS or BvS or suicide squad or JL. Though he did come up with the much 'praised and beloved' story for wonder woman before jas0n fuchs and s0me other guy wrote the screenplay. Snyder is m0stly a director for hire. He rarely changes scripts written for him to direct.

Raalsalghul:
What were you expecting from Snyder? Dude doesn't know a good story when he sees one.

You and Snyder are like Luthor and Superman, lol.

philfearon:
Lol... See how we are talking about a comical character like its real!!!

lol, the thing tire me too oh.

philfearon:
He is human, with all the human limitations bro; thats what makes him Batman.

No. What makes him Batman is because he is a human who pushes himself farther than a human. He is always in peak physical human c0nditi0n and n0t treating an ailment like throat cancer.

philfearon:
It can be explained away with a line... It's done all the time in movies!!!

oh, that he finally had that throat cancer treatment? Lol. I'd want my batman to be fit and n0t dealing with any ailment. [in cancer throat batman's voice: "Some0ne kn0ws where he is..." coughs coughs. Batbale, vigilantism isn't go0d for you. Go for cancer therapy]

Eyedea:
Actually Nolan asked him to talk like that.

alryt. But d0n't u think there'll be a c0ntinuity error if batman stopped talking like that in later films?

Xavier5:
Bro that was a question not a declaration or opinion. I wonder when question becomes declarations or opinions.

#Xavier.

oh, a questi0n. Then am n0t anti feminist. Am against stories being told just for the sake of propagating feminism when there's no sense to the story. Wonder woman was the perfect t0ol for it and they failed in that regard. Birds of prey is s0me cash cow WB hopes to use to make m0ney caring less whether the story is right or n0t or whether its creative. They're just thr0wing things at the wall to see if it sticks. No c0ntinuity in narrative, n0thing.

Xavier5:
Bia bia bia, Mr Minemrys, when did I say you are Anti-Feminist. So me asking you what is wrong with Birds Of Prey having a feminist undertone means I said you are Anti-Feminist bah? Biko nu.

#Xavier.

Xavier5:
Wetin concern me. All I know is that I can't wait to see Maggie Robbie's Harley Quinn. She is one hell of a character. What's wrong with Birds Of Prey having a Feminist undertone. What's your problem with Feminism.
What's my business if Birds Of Prey script is a re-written Suicide Squad 2 script, so far the movie is a good one, I gat no issues with that, Shikina. Beside you heard, hearing it doesn't mean it's true. Those are just rumours bro, rumours. Do not be sway by rumours cos they are misleading.

#Xavier.

saying i have a problem with feminism means am against it. And that means am anti feminist. Biko nu, i am n0t anti feminist. Okwia?

TonySpike:
That Man of Steel commentary by her is just pure hatred. She wants a Donner Superman that will be so cheesy and irrelevant in today's world.

i d0n't think that's what they or she wants. Some just want to stay relevant in their professi0n. No one takes positive news seriously. And positive criticisms bear no weight like negative criticism.

BlackManta:
She dey flex muscle on top DC movies but when it's time to trash talk Wonder Woman, she disappeared

that's cause Wonder woman is a feminist oriented m0vie. If i talk n0w Xavier would say am anti feminism.

WaywardSon:
I'll still pick Christian Bale over Ben Affleck anyday

why?
[in Heath Ledger's joker voice]Did he kick ur dog or s0mething

WaywardSon:
hahahaha did you just say inferior fighting skills. Old Ben Affleck can't perform half of those stunts you see, stuntmen do that. Now I think it all boils down to the director. Christopher Nolan of the dark knight wasn't really a flashy cinematic action guy like Snyder so I think bale can and would have been a better batman than Affleck

nah. Bale's batman should rather treat his cancer throat and let Bruce Affleck/Ben Wayne do his thing.

WaywardSon:
DC should stick to single movies. Team ups are not yet right

I swear DC should have launched its universe with the dark Knight

then it would have a dead joker and a cancer throat batman who is as slow as Bleep and c0mpared to Batfleck, has inferior fighting skills and is dumb.

Xavier5:
common, it's too early to eliminate Bruce wayne's Batman from the DCEU. Beside he is an iconic character, highly popular among DC Fans and also he is one of the frontliners in DC, Justice League and DCEU than that Terry Mcginnis of yours. So eliminating him from DCEU won't be right. He needs more time and should be giving one. So what DC and WB should do is to sign a younger person to play the Character or use a de-aging effect or CGI to make Ben Affleck look younger in the movies.

As for the Birds Of Prey movie title, it's stupid and ridiculous at the same time.

#Xavier.

birds of prey? Mtchew. N0thing c0ncern me with that film. Anything that has feminist undert0ne just for the sake of pr0m0ting the ideology, count me out.
I even heard the BOP script was the script meant for suicide squad 2. It was rewritten to fit birds of prey, hence the delay of SS 2. WB are funny sha. Films like that are why people talk trash abt DC.

Raalsalghul:
Hmmm. Though I still believe JL 2 is a possibility. Don't rule it out yet.

Can u say Ben Affleck would do the same or Henry Cavill?

Raalsalghul:
I know, it's wishful thinking. Given what is happening now, what would be your lineup as DC's head?

the batman, Green lantern, MOS 2, BLACK ADAM, Reverse Flash, New Gods, WW2, Knightwing, SS2, JL2, THE FLASH.

Treyknowles:
Have you heard of Wikipedia?

what i saw was different

Raalsalghul:
What's up folks, a question just came to my mind. I've been wondering, with recent events and DC's line up, what's the probability of a Justice League 2 happening.
And even if it happens, won't Ben Affleck be too old for the role of Batman? This is what I think WB's line up should be after Birds of Prey.

1. The Batman (Ben shouldn't leave yet, the role suits him).

2. Justice League 2 (Here, they can build upon the good will of Shazam, Wonder Woman and Aqua man and Batman provided those films are well received and try again)

3. Man of Steel 2 (That is, if they will ever toe that path again).

4. Other D.C films (Flash, Black Adam WW3, Aqua man 2, Shazam 2, Cyborg, Flash, Green Lanterns etc can all take this spots)

5. Batman 2 (I think here they should focus on an ageing Batman/ Bruce Wayne: as Ben Affleck would have aged considerably and introduce Terry Mcginnis as the new bat man)

6. Justice League 3 (The team should have a hard time accepting Terry Mcginnis here because of his childish antics, the threat also must be such that Shazam, Green Lanterns etc must be part of the team)

7. The Flash 2: Flashpoint (Use the time traveling antics to reboot the whole universe, keep some characters, remove some, introduce some and start building all over again)

What do you think folks. If you were DC's head, what would you suggest as the lineup?

Cc: Minemrys, Tonyspike, Blackmanta, teewhydope, Thekingishere, Treyknowles, Philfearon, Eyedea, Xavier5.

JL 2 aint happening, bro. And my dear, you are too ambitious with the dceu.

Xavier5:
Talk True @bolded

don't kn0w where he got the info from.