₦airaland Forum

lexy2014:
u c y I said u are dissipating your energy needlessly? Focus on d issue which is d niger delta. U are talking about what d north haven't done with their own funds. Focus on your own or are u now from north east? What has what we've saying got †☺ do with lagos? Or is lagos now part of niger delta? Who said anything about any law on d floor of d national assembly? U are just looking 4 an excuse †☺ blame somebody somewhere, some external hand of wickedness that doesn't exist instead of looking inwards. Can't u keep a conversation within its limits?

I don't need to look anywhere.

AKS is moving forward.

CRS will hopefully get back on track.

Uyo and Calabar are still two of the most habitable cities in Nigeria.

As things stand there is a region of this country holding everyone else back, that is a fact. It impacts investor confidence, it drains resources and it's destructive for national self-confidence.

I would not care at all if Nigeria were a proper federation, alas we have silly quotas and the federal government swallows much of the resources that come from the south. That is a problem. If you were being taxed at 87% would you not claim injustice? That is what the 13% derivative amounts to, plus whatever they send back by the way of the NDDC, a useless organization that does the shoddiest work in the ND.

lexy2014:
u are dissipating your energy needlessly. Put out d fire in your own backyard b4 u c d one In d north. Its niger delta that is asking 4 resource control not d north. When they ask 4 resource control then I will ask them my questions. Let's focus. Whether they are blocking resource control or not isn't d issue. D issue is that what happened †☺ d resources and funds pumped into d niger delta since 1999, that's y d niger delta is d case study. Yes d situation in d north is precarious that's y I said previously that we are all vicitms of bad leadership. U missed d point I made about igbinedion. If someone steals N25b and his punishment is N3m that leaves him with N22b. So that's no punishment. This N25b is just d one we no and a tiny fraction of what lucky igbinedion and his family stole from edo state yet we shout there's no money. Just imagine what good these stolen money would have done. I didn't tell u abacha was a saint neither am I saying he was evil. As regards this discussion he set up ALSCON and sited it in PH or is he d one who killed ALSCON? Or was it shagari that milked DSC dry? D paSt is d past. What's d way forward? These assets could b purchased by d states were they are sited with d help of credible technical partners. They can then b refurbished and put back in operation. This will provide jobs and opportunities 4d growth of other allied industries and businesses. D effects will b tremendous. So instead blaming oil coys, hausas, and yorubas and waiting 4 "reosurce control",d region should take control of d resources it has already been given. This is were it starts

How do you get a law passed when more than half of the people who make up the legislature are against progress or self-sufficiency?

You are arguing dishonestly.

The ND has suffered from the same problems that the country as a whole has had but there are states in the ND, alongside Lagos that are making strides, they have and are making use of their Federal allocaiton - what are the other states doing? What have the north-eastern states done to ensure that their people can take care of themselves?

I don't know about ALSCON in PH but they are functioning in Uyo - that is question for Amaechi and friends.

lexy2014:
leave d north out of this. They aren't asking 4 resource control. When they do then I will ask d questions am asking now. Its unfortunate that after 16years and several trillions, we can only mention 3 people who have impacted d lives of niger deltans. Apart from AKS, edo and CRS are among d least in revenue in d niger delta and nigeria as a whole. Thank god u said they have performed. Did they do it with resource control? Am sure u heard of lucky igbinedion and u can asseSs his performance when he ruled edo 4 8yrs. His bro was indicted 4 stealing N25b when lucky was gov and he was asked †☺ pay back just N3m. That is d one we no. Imagine what that money would have done in d lives of edo citizens. There was a certain delta steel coy DSC ovwian aladja in warri. It was established by shagari. There was also aluminium smelting co of nigeria ALSCON port harcourt set up by abacha. Guess what? they are dead. It was d leaders in these communities that contributed †☺ their demise. I lived in DSC and I no what am talking about. These are resources that any country in d world would die 4. With what comes into d niger delta by reason of revenue, if properly used, d states can build refineries their own and even buy oil wells. D money amaechi used †☺ buy private jet could have been put †☺ better use. Let's b honest

You cannot leave the north out of the discussion because they are the ones blocking full resorce control. They get federally allocated money which they waste, even worse than Amaechi - Rivers state has sufficient schools, does Borno? I'm glad that they caught those thieves in Edo, they are not the only ones but the situation is more desperate in the north yet they are just as corrupt and wasteful.

You brought up Abacha as though he was a good leader - he is the most destructive in Nigerian history. No business will thrive in a corrupt environment. That goes back to Shagari and through Babangida.

Northern governors and legislators have a political voice which has never been used for anything productive - besides Sharia law and child brides what have northern governors agitated for? Instead of building schools, drainage or other facilities or encouraging industry they cry about polio vaccinations - as a result Nigeria has polio in 2015, the only African country to do so.

Eugenedimgba:
Well,the igbos have themselves to blame.Hausas know what they want and vigorously fights for it,the yorubas to an extent too.

What do they want besides stagnation?

This is who Boko Haram should be angry at, guys like this clown instead of kidnapping school girls and murdering schoolboys.

If only they didn't allow their religion to cloud their judgement.

Bluffly:
I'm not surprised at all. When you have bunch of coconut heads in a country, this is what happenes. We are hoping that Nigeria develops infrastructurally across the board and some maggots are busy destroying it in the name of protest. Shrewed thinking individuals. Rather for them to sit down and use strategic means they are busy been destructive to build. I wonder when the building will commence when destruction is ongoing. This is simply a product of laziness and greed. In fact there should be death penalty for anyone caught destroying government property in the name of protest. If that is how the developed countries of today behaved. Will they be where they are. You claim to be protesting for development but instead you are destroying.
I'm feeling disgusted.

Sabotage, war and disagreements have taken place in every society.

The difference between America and Nigeria is that whilst the backwards region was made to see sense and dance to the tune of the progressive region the reverse is happening in Nigeria.

You cannot have the least progressive leaders calling the shots, that is a recipe for destruction.

Leaders who have not done anything on a state level or in the private sector should not be calling shots on a national level.

lexy2014:
d focus is on d niger delta now u are gradually bringing in d north. D north isn't asking 4 resource control. Thank god u mentioned doanld duke. CRS is one of d least in terms of revenue in d niger delta? Did donald duke achieve what he achieved with resource control? Or was he not handpicked? We can now boast of donald duke..do u think he didn't like †☺ eat all d money? D other guys what did they do with their eight years allocation? If all of them had done something like donald duke we wouldn't b having this conversation? Now everybody wants †☺ go †☺ calabar. If duke says he wants †☺ b president today bros he has my 100percent support. That is a man. After 2007 till date, any action from our govs, LG chairmen? Nothing. After duke, how many niger delta govs and LG chairmen and legislators have implemented social policies that have improved d quality of life of their people?

CRS used to have a much larger allocation and it now has a debt issue because of the shortfall as a result of the change.

After Duke we have Akpabio who has been even more dynamic.

Some will argue that Amaechi has done well in Rivers. Likewise the governor in Edo state.

There are productive governors in the ND and legislators with good ideas who have been pushing for development. Are there any in the north? Have there ever been any in the north? This is why resource control is so important - you cannot give the loudest voice to the weakest link. That is the problem with Nigeria at the moment.

lexy2014:
am not d one acting as if nothing is being in and 4d niger delta. Isn't that d reason u are calling 4 resource control?if Everything was going well would u b calling 4 resource control? Now u are defending d region that CRS and AKS are making progress. Isn't it with d same money u said they don't have? Y didn't u say let d other states learn from these two? Am not from d north but what I no from d time I spent there is this their streets are not paved with gold. Its d same suffering, d same inequality, d same poverty,d same corruption and d same lack of accountability. Fiscal federalism is gr8 so is d PIB but all am saying is this since 1999 d elected representatives have had control of certain resources on behalf of their people. What have they done with it? If these people had used these resources properly, d niger delta would have been a better place. Resource control is gr8 but without accountability, same old story

The first generation of governors after 1999 were largely terrible, throughout this country - hand-picked by the thieves who did not want those who destroyed the country during the military era to be held to account. The exception was Duke in CRS.

Fiscal federalism is as much about ensuring that other states, especially those in the north, begin to pull their weight financially as it is about speeding up the development of those states that are pushing forward. I know the streets of the north are not paved with gold, no one has ever said so. But we cannot continue to have non-productive states existing and sapping the resources from the Niger Delta whilst also refusing to implement social policies that will improve quality of life.

emmykk:
Without oil the economy will not stand.although I don't want such situation

We know that.

My point stands that what the ND 'militants' are calling for is more rational and understandable than the end for educational opportunities for children in northern Nigeria - which is the stupid cry of a foolish group of people.

lexy2014:
I used d word "Dubai" figuratively. Its d best way I could use †☺ describe what beauty would have come †☺ niger delta. U can blame d north all u want but when people of the niger delta refuse †☺ look inwards and take responsibility it will b like using a merry go round. At first it was oil companies. After kidnapping oyibos did that solve any problem. People in d niger delta need †☺ look within

People in CRS and AKS are looking within. They have taken steps towards development.

Stop acting like nothing is being done in the ND.

The unitary government and the legacy of the military government on Nigeria is still being battled with. You talk as if Nigeria only game into existence when Yar'adua died. The military destroyed Nigeria, the Shagari government destroyed the people's faith in democracy as a result we had two of the worst leaders in world history in Babangida and Abacha. What those two did with the money gleamed from the resources of the ND and then the side deals that they signed to further deprive the people of Nigeria should have seen them both face the firing squad.

How was the building of Abuja funded? Is that not how MEND came about? When they realised how the money from under their feet was being used for the benefit of everyone else but themselves.

How do your northern governors fund their lifestyles?

Name me one good northern governor? One decent northern head of state?

Why has the PIB been stalled? Why have some sections of Nigeria argued against fiscal federalism?

Awoofawo:
Southern Sudan would be a child-play compare to what will happen with Ibiobio, urohobo, Ijaw, efik, isteki, war-combo (then spice this with the Igbo dream to belong in that region at all cost). One Nigeria is what keeping them in check now

Those groups that you have listed do not have a history of violence between each other.

Your comparison with South Sudan is nonsensical.

The ND has what it needs to support itself in terms of human intellect and infrastructure - South Sudan does not.

lexy2014:
I agree with u. Most folks wouldn't b ok with d percentage but my point is this something came in including the following NDDC allocations, state and local govt allocations, pipeline protection contracts, constituency allowance 4 state and federal legislator, taxes from oil comapnies, kidnapping proceeds and royalties, oil bunkering proceeds. Mind u each niger delta state has a commisioner in NDDC nominated by d state gov. D problem is that no one is asking 4 accountability whereas d recipients of these funds are getting richer and richer. If these funds were spent on d peoples welfare niger delta would have been better than dubai

The ND will not 'better than Dubai' because Dubai has a very small local population and much more in oil revenue. UAE has had oil money coming in for at least 60 years but it was only in 1990 that they began to build Dubai into what it is - even then it took them 10 years for it to resemble a modern city. Sharjah is still a very backwards place and that is another sparsely populated oil producing state.

Imagine if UAE had to share its wealth and political power with Yemen or Pakistan and then you will get closer to the reality of what it means for southern Nigeria to be saddled with the north, as it currently is.

If the north wishes to modernize and do away with its retrograde practices then we can build a nation to be proud of. If the status quo continues then so will the suffering, sadly the brunt of it will be felt in the north.

iiiyyyk:
Nigeria has realy waisted golden years of oil price, yet nothing to show. Is it now that america dey produce oil like water, uk just discovered a field with abt 100 billion barrells etc
Well we are in this shit together. North west east. True federalism the only answer.

We are not in this together because no other region has the same problems as the north.

Child marriage is illegal in every state in the south.

Education is free for children in the south and both boys and girls are sent to school.

Those issues have serious social consequences for Nigeria but those in the south cannot influence crooked religious, traditional and political leaders in the north.

Also, to your claim that nothing has been done, that is a lie - nothing was done during the military era and every administration since has been trying to play catch-up. The current administration has build roads, universities and schools (in the north because northern governors refuse to do so). Institutions are stronger the the media are now free to report on all things without fear of being imprisoned. The state run industries that were a vessel for looting are being dismantled - NITEL has finally gone, PHCN has had to sell off its operations to private DISCOs. That is not 'nothing' - that is progress.

iiiyyyk:
THE ONLY REASON NIGERIANS PRETENDS TO LOVE SOUTH SOUTH IS BECAUSE OF CRUDE OIL.


RESEARCH IS SHOWING THAT THE FUTURE OF CRUDE OIL IS BLEAK, I FEEL SORRY FOR MY SS BROTHERS AND THEIR DIFFICULT TERRAIN.

You should worry about the northerners and their illiteracy rates, their fistula and their polio.

Those are much worse and immediate problems that are not being dealt with by any northern state government.

lexy2014:
read my post again. I said 13percent derivation is a resource under d control of niger deltans

That is not 'control' that is someone giving you a kick back.

You cannot control something in which you are a minority stakeholder.

Chiaka:
Explain how it has been in the control of Niger deltans

She does not know what she's talking about.

lexy2014:
u don't even no what was given and what wasn't given. How u going †☺ ask 4 more. Its 13 percent derivation not 13percent resource control. D impt thing is that all that I mentioned previously including this are RESOURCES which have been in d CONTROL of niger deltans

The resources are not under the control of the local communities if they are only retaining 13% and then relying on the goodwill of the Federal government to give them bits and pieces by way of NDDC. Of course, this is after the Federal government has wasted much of it on its on upkeep.

emmatok:
Some people are just allergic to the truth.
While GEJ neglected the ND for 5 years, some state in the SW were busy building new airport and seaports.
Just see what is happening in Ogun state.

What is happening in Ogun state does not compare with what has happened in AKS.

Ogun state benefits from its proximity to Lagos, some people are quick to forget that.

lexy2014:
U have always had resource control my dear. All d resources pumped into d niger delta since 1999 by way of 13percent derivation, NDDC allocations, state and local govt allocations, pipeline protection contracts, constituency allowance 4 state and federal legislator, taxes from oil comapnies, kidnapping proceeds and royalties, oil bunkering proceeds have been controlled by niger deltans. Wetin remain?

You do not understand "resource control" if you think that 13% is what that means.

If you were taxed at 87% and then given increments by way of things that you may or may not have asked, money that has to go through another body to come to you in the way of provisions, would you be happy?

The best Nigeria can hope for with Buhari is another Yar'adua situation - someone who does nothing for a few years and then dies and leaves his office in the hands of someone more intelligent.

emmatok:
Did the National Confab recommend resources control?

If GEJ could not develop his region for 5 years, are you gonna blame a northerner for ND neglect.

Are you foolish enough to believe that you can fully "develop" a region in five years after decades of neglect?

Five years is not very long and 'development' is an ongoing process. A couple of states (AKS and Cross River) have made great strides in terms of development - this tells me that with "resource control" they will develop at a greater pace. They have already long left the northern states in the dust.

Instead of paying a small royalty to the center from what is earned internally the ND states are seeing their wealth go to the Federal government and then a tiny amount comes back in increments, that is not equitable.

Every state should be encouraged to explore the natural resources within its own borders.

millionaireman:
Our own enemies because we refuse fiscal federalism. Fiscal federalism should have served every part of Nigeria best at the long run.

Some myopic groups in Nigeria foolishly believe that without crude oil from the N/Delta, they cannot survive, hence they refuse return to fiscal federalism.

There are minerals and agriculturally viable land all over this country but some segments of Nigeria prefer not to do anything to develop their own economies.

emmatok:
But the same GEJ can sign billions of Naira for ND militants, forgetting the ND people.

The militants can blow up all the oil installation in ND it's their land.

But it won't bring Nigeria down.

They were given contracts so as to placate the leaders.

It was cheaper to do that than to enforce proper Federalism.

Have you already forgotten the National Confab? - Federalism was recommended, let us see if it is implemented by Buhari's government.

The PIB has been on the table for a while now, a segment of the Nigerian legislature are stalling this development. Why?

emmykk:
don't compare bokoharam effect with militant activities. Militant works will tell more on the economy..... Salaries will soon stopped to be paid

Which do you think hampers investor confidence more:


1. A group that has launched concentrated attacks on infrastructure by an organization with a clear philosophy and stated demands.

OR

2. A group that purports to be inspired by a backwards middle-eastern religion whose only stated goal is for the end of formal, useful education. A group that has slaughtered young men in school and has forcibly conscripted others. Has enslaved young women, abusing them sexually. A group that has employed suicide bombers to murder civilians. A group that attacked the United Nations HQ in Abuja.

Which do you think most disturbs investors?

emmatok:
Why didn't GEJ implementation it for the past 5 years.
That we say most of you GEJ supporters are unpatriotic.
You guys never believed in Nigeria.

A president cannot enforce legislation alone.

It has to go through the legislature.

True federalism does not benefit one segment of this country. We all know which part of the country that is.

BlackTechnology:
Parasite

Is the oil yours


Go back to your plantation naughty farmer

I laughed too when I saw 'abdul' calling people from the south 'parasites'.

These militants may or may not be right but they're not killing innocent school boys, enslaving girls and women or murdering people in markets or bus stations.

Fabdedon:
i go fold the religion put inside bag..
After work i would bring it out..
Only me and my God would know whats up

Is it not your fear of your god that causes you religious people to do 'right'?

Are you not worried that he will punish you for your 'disobedience'?

People who work in banking and finance do it every day.

Both the Bible and Qur'an speak against usury yet those who claim allegiance to those books ignore that message every day.

Ignorance is bliss.

Islam, Christianity or any other faith equates to submission to ignorance.

tartar9:
24 churches Shut Down In Lagos For
"Noise Pollution"
except catholic and JWs church,all others especially MFM should be shut down

I know some noisy Catholic Churches too.

JWs are may not be noisy but they need to start paying tax, along with the others.

More of them need to be shut for being noisy.

I hope other states are taking note.