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Voetsek:
South Africa Yearbook 2010/2011

http://www.gcis.gov.za/resource_centre/sa_info/yearbook/2010-11.htm

Voetsek back to you too!

paniki:
It's a matter of education and knowledge creation. Developed countries have people who live to just create knowledge and new concepts and then pass on those new concepts to interested people within their population through formal education. Those who get the knowledge and new concepts passed on to them will then be in a position were they KNOW how to produce things and others can use such skills to create new demand in society. 20 years ago the internet was just something known to those who live to just create knowledge and new concepts. They developed and set standards for this thing which everyone now uses. So I.T is white mans concept just like most other things, therefore whites will continue to be successful for as long as they continue to create new knowledge and concepts which set global standards.

So to answer your question - most black people at the moment cannot be producers as you want them to be because they don't KNOW how to produce.

African countries need to invest in the development of black EXPERTS in all fields because it is experts who run the world and set standards which get adopted by government and commerce and society. African countries should ensure that were capacity lacks to develop black experts in their own country they should be sent abroad for training and then be returned to pass on the knowledge to the general interested public. Most African countries fail to understand this important requirement which means that their development will always be determined by suggestions made by foreign experts who don't have real life experience with the country.

A very sensible analysis of the African dilemma. I concur completely and have noticed the trend of SA't that return home after studies abroad, building much needed capacity tht is required to ensure this change

Pi0neer:
As for the other side gists, I would agree with cap28.
White people still seek to enslave blacks everywhere, either directly or indirectly. Also, I think black people are asleep. Nowadays you see blacks just trying their best to prove to themselves that they can be just like whites in lifestyle. Unlike Asians who have their own distinct beliefs and goals, blacks have no aspirations than trying to be like the white man and enjoy the white man's luxuries. They're always chasing the white's material possessions. Black people have no societal values of their own anymore, thanks to slavery and colonisation.

To state that black peoople have no distinct beliefs, culture or goals is an opinion and not fact. Its simply an observation based on your perception of what you believe is every black persons reality.

Pi0neer:
I think it's a bit off for morpheus to post pictures of black people having fun in predominantly white parties, or pictures of houses in white-owned neighbourhoods owned by blacks. What does that prove? When will blacks build and promote their own societies?

Check those pics again. Where do you see 'predominantly white" people in the photos
Maybe you would prefer these pics of shanty towns to support your ascertions or believe that all 5million white people in South Africa are chilling in Sandton and luxuries apartments in capetown. People just see what they want to see bro!. Pick your battles

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Rhodesia:
He was a spearchuking murderer.

http://images.encyclopediadramatica.ch/d/dd/Africa%26Europe.gif

Better than a pale faced part neanderthal cave mutant

Angry black Africans that think they can't come back to their countries and fight the good fight. They escape to western lands and act as if they really care about the continent and all atrocities that have been committed in it.

Behold the "terrorist" Mandela's South Africa. There's blood on the streets, Race wars everyday. Blacks killing whites. Whites beating blacks.Run white people run!!!


http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa/01/12/skin.care.africology.malee/index.html


http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/africa/03/23/mzolis.barbeque/index.html?iref=allsearch

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cap28:
^^^^

you know nothing about me, where i live or where i have been in the world, so i would advise you not to jump to conclusions.

Where have you been?. Peckham, brixton, Piccadily circus or buckingham palace.

Crap28 language:

dribbledribbledribbledribbleLIBYAdribbledribbledribbledribbleIMFdribbledribbleWHITEDEVILSdribbledribbledribbleIMPERIALISTdribbledribblePUPPETSdribbledribbledribbleGOLDMANSACHSdribbledribbledribbleGHADDAFIdribbledribbleTOWNCRIERdribbledribble!!!

cap28:
How does the posting of pictures of blacks and whites in nightclubs prove that blacks own or control any of south africa's wealth?  why are you such a dullard?

Oh so its switched to "blacks controlling wealth" now, thought you said blacks and whites were living ever so far away from each other and didn't enjoy 'the good life' together. Those black people in the club must be faking it.

You can bob and weave in and out of all your previous statements all you want but this subject matter is not your forte. Stick to Ghadaffi and IMF structural adjustment programmes youtube videos will ya

cap28:
I know you ran away to south africa to try and make a living in order to escape the structural adjustment programmes in nigeria but try and show a little bit of dignity.  The blacks over there dont want you there and the whites certainly dont. Stop all of this bootlicking and face up to the truth for once in your life.  South africa is a segregated country which is still not where it needs to be in terms of black empowerment - but this is too much for thickos like you to understand.

hahah, funny RSA used to think I lived in SA too just cause I know alot about the country. Sorry you are trapped in the UK. All my money is made in the good old West African country called Nigeria.

get on a plane and travel al little bit will ya, 400 square foot flats can drive a poor bastard runaway like you insane.

cap28:
In order to be racist you have to be able to exercise power in such a way that it adversely affects the economic well being of another group of people.

Black people in general do not have that kind of power - not yet but we will if we can stop begging, pleading and kow towing to the white supremacist structure.

I could've sworn I have read that same exact quote in some black nationalist book somewhere. you should credit original thought seeing that you aspouse to be a true "intellectual"

cap28:
How many whites in south africa socialise with black south africans?

You must know since you left your 400 square foot flat on tour of Africa

cap28:
How many whites live in black neighbourhoods in south africa?

What kind of s.t.u.p.i.d. question is that?

cap28:
HOw many whites chose to send their children to schools in predominantly black neighbourhoods?

ehhhh?

cap28:
The fact that you as a black south african can't even feel comfortable in certain parts of your own  country further proves that you have been excluded from your own country, the fact that you no longer have to carry passes does not change the fact that whites don't want you in their neighbourhoods, schools, offices or shopping malls.  Thats why they have created enclaves like cape town for themselves to make it clear to the blacks that they are not welcome in certain parts of the country.

Why must Zolzolz have to confine herself to another part of her own country - doesnt that prove that despite the so called demise of aparthied you are still living under a segregated system?

Despite things changing they have remained the same as the whites are still calling the shots and keeping you out of areas that they have set aside for themselves.

Paniki, remember you are talking to someone who gets all his info from you tube videos and doesn't have enough money to leave his 400 squre foot flat in the center of Lewisham cause the British govt is taxing 40% of his income.

He's a cyber warrior.

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cap28:
Morpheus/Paniki what is the point in posting pictures of whites socialising with whites in predominantly white parts of south africa? You are reinforcing what we already knew about south africa -that blacks and whites live separate and vastly unequal lives just like blacks in Jim Crow America did in the 1950s.

No matter how much you try to convince yourselves to the contrary white south africans do not want to share south africa with you, they are doing everything humanly possible to continue to live as far away from you as possible.

Take a look at the pictures you posted- how many of them show blacks enjoying the good life along with whites in your so called fake rainbow nation?

You are trying too hard

**shaking my head in disbelief*

paniki:
[size=16pt]Morpheus has posted nice pictures that reflect the true South Africa unlike what Zolzlolz is used to in Cape Town. All she sees is white, white, white and white I would also get sick of them.[/size]

Down town Cape town got a lot of Xhosa people. Been to Muzinberg, Gugulethu township, mannenburg and some refugee shanty towns. The contrast is remarkable. Its like you are in two different parts of the world.

cap28:
You are beyond clueless - why would the whites be scared when the black south african elite have been bought and paid to do the bidding of the powerful banking and mining interests in that country?

Zuma does as he is told by his white masters that is why he voted to impose a no fly zone over libya (along with lapdogs nigeria and gabon).

What a betrayal eh! even after the financial assistance that was rendered to the ANC by Qadaffi Zuma still went ahead to stab Qadaffi in the back - that shoudl tell you that he is nothing more than a puppet of the former apartheid power structure and the western corporate interests.

The black south africans are in the majority but they dont control the south african military - this is still very much under the control of the whites.  The whites can also call upon their european NATO brothers when the going gets tough so why would they be scared?

They even have nuclear capabilities thanks to the help they received from Israel in the 80s.

Stop displaying your ignorance on here.

I swear if we run a word search for libya, Ghadaffi, IMF, NATO and corporate criminals your name would pop up right next to it. You really need to go see a doctor if you've stopped taking your pills

Keep on with the monologue. No one is listening!

Hoards of white people emigrating, they can't take it anymore. All 5 million of them are under siege by black savages!!. Get out while you can!. The country is  about to go down in flames!!!!

Notice how scared the white people are. Oh SOUTH AFRICA. Botha, bring back the apatheid days!

Behold close to 20 years later. The "terrorist" Nelson Mandela's South Africa in ruins and rubble. Run "white people" Run!!!!

Sui Generi:
“It is better to keep your mouth shut and appear STUUPID than to open it and remove all doubt.” -- Mark Twain

So as a prelude whites must be made to realise that they are only human, not superior. Same with Blacks. They must be made to realise that they are also human, not inferior.

Bantu Steve Biko

cap28:


this is the same problem i've been having with him - Morpheus please take note.

You still here buddy. No more "libya", "Ghadaffi", "IMF", "Goldman sachs" audience.

You must be really bored,  no one paying attention to your dribble?

corporal:
Morf you are so thick you never get the point, it doesnt matter how well its written. [b]Its not that they are coming here and doing criminal things its the fact that they are coming here at all.[/b]If you need to run away from your own country and apply for refugee status here then clearly there is a problem in your own, wake up and admit it you ignoramus. Millions running to South Africa the home of the white man you hate, I would never run to anywhere in Africa because its all stuffed.
Go home

Don't forget the dutch, French hugenots, Jews, portuguese, German and British "settlers" oh sorry "immigrants". Wonder what they were running away from, Hmmmm??

Ignoramus is as Ignoramus does.

Learn to think harder.

corporal:
IF your countries are so good then why the bleep do we have this:::::::
There are many reasons for this. If South Africa is a magnet for African refugees, it is also a magnet for economic migrants, traders and migrant workers, as well as drug dealers, car thieves, petty criminals looking for easy pickings, and serious gangsters. After 1994 the fences essentially went down. Today, the number of undocumented migrants in South Africa is anybody’s guess. Estimates of the number of migrants from other parts of Africa range from under one million to over 10 million. Given the difficulty of gaining even temporary protection in South Africa, one has to ask if all refugees are seeking asylum. In all likelihood, there are probably many people who are refugees but never seek to formalise their status. Even so, the number of refugees in the countries to the north is many times more.

The Institute for Security Studies in South Africa reported recently that over 200 foreign crime networks are operating in South Africa, mainly by Nigerian, Chinese, Russian and Pakistani gangs. Activities include fraud, car theft, prostitution, mobile phone theft and rebirthing, money laundering, smuggling ivory, abalone, arms, gold, diamonds and drugs, as well as trafficking in humans and human organs. The organized crime problem in South Africa, according to the FBI and CIA, is only marginally less serious than in Colombia or Russia, and they estimated in December 2000 that it was costing South Africa US$23bn a year.

Again you don't make very sound arguements. What is your point?


Name one western country that doesn't have the above mentioned syndicates, a majority of whom are "white'  "legal' "Corporate" criminals

Poor White Saffa, don't let yourself run mad thinking about the "glorious" apatheid days!

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zolzlolz:
corporal could always pull a Brandon "no skills" Huntley and apply for refugee status in a Western country of his choice.

Yep canada will let practically anyone in for any reason. They don't hve enough people to grow their economy. He was smart to pick that country.


“Huntley paints a picture of white South Africans as a victimised minority, persecuted by a vengeful and racially vindictive black majority,” they wrote.

“This is deeply insulting to the great majority of black South Africans who have embraced reconciliation and also to those many white South Africans who value the opportunity to participate in building the non-racial, non-sexist society envisioned by our constitution.”

The group, which includes Professor Jonathan Jansen, the vice-chancellor of the University of Free State, and political commentator Adam Habib, added that the “outrageously distorted representation of contemporary South Africa does not square with the realities in our country”.

Huntley — a well-built martial arts fanatic and former lock in his school’s first rugby team — applied for refugee status, saying he had been attacked by black thugs who preyed on whites.

He claimed he had been robbed, and stabbed, seven times, but never bothered to report this to police.

Huntley also claimed his attackers called him a “white dog” and a “settler”.

His claim was met with scepticism in South Africa, with a senior police officer telling the Sunday Times: “We looked into it and couldn’t find any record of him having been a victim. It’s bizarre for someone to say he’s been a victim so many times and never report it.”

http://iluvsa..com/2009/09/brandon-huntley-dead-man-walking.html

corporal:
http://www.homecomingrevolution.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=7236

I very much doubt you are anything close to someone with a scientific mind in attempting to "brain gain" yourself somewhere in Europe or Australia, so lets not go there

From the same website:


http://www.homecomingrevolution.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=7217

zolzlolz:
Shame corporal aka rhodesia, you've been wishing the demise of South Africa for 17 years. It's not happening and it's left you so bitter. Your function is to steal oxygen and to engage in self pity based on false beliefs. Tis much easier than facing the truth. Your consistent denial has left you angry and bitter and is making life difficult for everyone. Did you read the Cape Times yesterday, sad creature? The expats that ran away are coming back. They have returned with their tails between their legs and are admitting that the 'grass isn't greener on the other side'. They left because of their irrational thoughts about SA like yours, but once they got there, they didn't find the heaven they, like you, expected in the West. Some advice from your own, "You can blame the government, the colour of your skin, or the gum that got stuck under your shoe, but if you can't change your attitude it is best you leave."

yep they coming back in droves. Guess them Australians and UK citizens weren't so welcoming after all.

Who says White people don't have tribalism.

Rhodesia:
he was a disgusting racist terrorist.

Oh hell! we done gone and opened the flood gates now,

corporal:
Morpheus if it hadn't been for us you would never have seen a car and would not be on this forum.

exactly my point Did you actually think about what I was alluding to about "not ever seeing a car".

corporal:
You hate white people but every year your country stands in a queue with the rest of Africa waiting for aid from the same white man,,,,,,,,,,,,,,hurry now or you will be at the back

I can categorically state that I do not hate White people. Hating someone cause of the color of their skin is "mental." However I do hate what white people 'especially' Apatheid White south Africans did to native peoples. That karma is on you.

Racism is a mental disease in my book.

corporal:
A few centuries ago they may have been practicing witchcraft, at least we had the brain to give it up, unlike the black people who continue to practice it even today,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,talk about backward,, still putting your bed on tins or bricks for fear of the Tokalosh.

What you just said doesn't make much sense does it. How much difference is there between believing in spirit worlds and sangomas and believing serpents actually talk to people. how strange?

corporal:
BTW neither of you has been able to show proof of one successful black nation anywhere in the world, are white people to blame for all of their failures??

Nope they aren't to blame but they would have done us a whole lot of favor if they hadn't shown up in the first place.

corporal:
I think not, personally I think you have no idea how to run a country

Tis that "white' priviledged status talking again.

corporal:
Paniki we didnt inherit anything you ignorant fool  we built it the same way we built the phone or computer you are using to have your misguided say. go beat a drum

Couple of centuries before that you were in the dark ages burning heathens, putting garlic on your front porch( to ward off vampires of course) and worshiping the great god Odin. How far you've come from your medieval ways. Or maybe not. Hmmmm

The so called words of a terrorist:

“During my lifetime I have dedicated myself to this struggle of the African people. I have fought against white domination, and I have fought against black domination. I have cherished the ideal of a democratic and free society in which all persons live together in harmony and with equal opportunities. It is an ideal which I hope to live for and to achieve. But if needs be, it is an ideal for which I am prepared to die.”
― Nelson Mandela

corporal:
YES Morpheus i understand, this is what Africans have done for Africa and why all the Nigerians are running to South Africa, which btw would have been no better off than your sorry country or any of the others had it not been for the white people.

http://world-poverty.org/povertyinafrica.aspx

Same ol "whiteman' saves the "blackman" story.

If I never saw a car my entire life, how would I know I missed riding in one?

Ponder on that one will ya!

cap28:
Ignoramus, why would i waste my time reading through your poorly constructed and grammatically incoherent garbage? Listen, I would rather look forward to the prospect of watching paint dry!

of course you wouldn't.

cap28:
Functional illiteracy and wanna be bigmanism is what is killing you - why dont you accept that you are a half baked wanna be intellectual?

oh, and by the way its gibberish not "jibberish! - functional illiterate.

I've often wondered why Nigerians that live in England often boast about their mastery of the 'english" language and in the same breath tell you how "un english" they are.  A symptom of linguistic imperialism, I presume. How ironic?

cap28:
ps - can you stop borrowing my phrases?
i've noticed they keep cropping up in your little "debates" - "don't flatter yourself" being one of many that you are now using to make yourself appear fluent in written and spoken english.

I guess you must have influenced my thoughts  in all the below posts as well. Its okay though, I understand, Its the paranoia setting in, symptoms include hallucinations and delusionary thinking


https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-315929.192.html
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-304941.0.html
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-683786.0.html
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-315929.128.html
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-275903.32.html
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-330466.0.html
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-315339.32.html