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[quote author=M.Wayne link=topic=376796.msg5533577#msg5533577 date=1266432707]Am no lad brother, am just seeking for a suitable advise. Dont try to discourage me, just tell me the simple truth that i need to know about SA.[/quote]How can I be discouraging you when I told you to visit first and see for yourself how things work before going over there to hustle.

The hustling of any kind of job you are talking about is not as easy as you may think. The only place left where people can hustle without being continually harrassed by the indigenes and the government I am sad to say is the USA and Canada. Although they are gradually tightening their laws.

The unemployment rate in SA is well above 20%. that of the us is steady at 10%. That should give you and idea of what is going on right now

[quote author=M.Wayne link=topic=376796.msg5533401#msg5533401 date=1266430759]why say so? Can u plz advise me more, sincerely speaking i have no bleeping idea about all this. Plz tell me wht u feel that's better for me to do.[/quote]You must be a fairly young lad. The hustling days of Nigerians in South Africa are over. If yo uhave family or firends there whou can school you or have legitimate businesses there then they maybe be able to support you while you try to go to school and increase your skill level and value.

The key is you need TO GO TO SCHOOL!! or create an avenue to become skilled. If you don't have tha skill already it will be very diffcult for you.

The South Africans are not very friendly to Nigerians who are competing with them for limited unskilled labor.

Why do't you go on holiday. Scout the place out for yourself before jumping in with both feet

[quote author=M.Wayne link=topic=376796.msg5533135#msg5533135 date=1266428412]Looking forward to settle there and hustle for a living. Aint that a good idea?[/quote]You are in for a suprise if you ever make it there,

Trust me!!

[quote author=M.Wayne link=topic=376796.msg5532967#msg5532967 date=1266426643]Nice_guy10, can u add me to your messenger list pls? here's my ID chiedo_edo@yahoo.com. Hey man, com on we really need to talk.[/quote]What is your mission in SA?

beneli:
I think Dis Guy has a point here! Another point, i guess, is that people don't actually know what we have in our back yard. We are not very good at selling our tourist attractions so it doesn't really sound cool to say you spent your holiday in Ouagadougou. Coming back from Paris sounds a lot cooler!

But, honestly though, we need to begin exploring our backyards. There are a lot of interesting experiences that could be had, if one isn't too taken to the whole luxury thing. I did a land (and rail) journey across West Africa once. It took me through Benin, Togo and then Burkina Faso, Mali, Senegal and then ending up in Gambia. I had wanted to follow the trail of the river Niger and had fantasies of going up to it's source (they say it starts in the Futta Djallon mountains somewhere between Senegal and Gambia). Unfortunately, it wasn't all pleasant. There was a lot of unsavoury encounters with immigration officials that wanted to be 'bribed' in order to let me through, even though i held an ECOWAS passport; emotionally draining encounters with young Nigerians enroute to a place they called Las Palmas, from where they planned to eventually enter Europe and sob stories from the half-crazed bunch stranded in places with names like Tambacounda, after they had been repatriated from Europe and were now feeling too ashamed to make the journey homewards. There was also the whole getting to experience first hand what our cousins in ECOWAS think of us-they don't think very highly of us because of the reputation we have for fraud, drug dealing etc.

In spite of the negatives, it was still an experience richer than i have ever had visiting the concrete jungles of New York, Berlin or Moscow; or even visiting half forgotten Orthodox churches clustering around the black sea in eastern europe and middle Asia. I will make that West Africa journey again one day. This time i will ferry up to Cape Verde for the 'Latin America' experience it supposedly offers in our backyard.

Africans don't spend their holidays more in Africa because a lot of us don't know that, in spite of her troubles, Africa is still the most naturally beautiful continent. I don't mind being called prejudiced for the bolded part of my statement-not at all!

I appreicate the experience sharing. This is what I am aimed at exposing. there are not alot of onlline outlets of African travels by Africans to give such insight into travels. The more you here of personal one on one stories the more you are equiped before embarking on such journeys and the smoother your holiday will be. Regardless of the hicups you had I can see you really cherished the experience.

I too am trying to hit cape verde as I heard it offers a ver mediternean feelind and after that will try to journey more in East Africa , the limpopo River in Zambia and so on. There is much to see within this continent and personally i am tired of the glit and glamour of European cities taht ofer you less of a welcolming atmosphere and expect you to spend spend spend in order to be appreciated and valued in the western world.

nice story,

Dis Guy:
This is a very interesting one!

The very first question should be why don't Africans go on holiday- they go mainly for shopping, and family visit in other countries.

Another thing is tourism is not developed in most African countries, quick access to information is very important; you can book a European holiday from your room- flight, insurance, hotel even Cabs and other things online, whilst in some parts of Africa you struggle to get information or even routes to destinations, if you notice on this board many travelling agent offering visas/tickets for European or Asian countries but ask anyone of them the price of hotels in Calabar and tickets you don't get a response.

Some Africans are mistreated even by other africans at airports, e.g Kenya and south Africa, you really don't want to get that hassle

I have never been treated as such in my travels even when I dentifiy as a Nigerian. I really think it is the demeanor you present that determines the outcome when visiting fellow African countries.

By the way don't europeans treat Nigerians even worse. I am an eye witness to the several harrassments in Europe. America is a little bit more lenient but Europe and Asia are horrible!!!


I do agree about the qucik accessibility of information for travellers and believe this is the major issue surrounding travel within Africa. You have no websites like  Trip advisor that are able to give you tips on fellow African vacationers to destinations within Africa, no quick booking processes and so on.

Thats my gripe as well.

joxiri:
morpheus
I dnt think he had any other interntions other than simply asking where you reside
You might be a nigerian does not mean your base primarily has to be in nigeria, hence why he asked the question

so Joxiri you are noe Ajanlekoko lawyer. Don't worry he is not on trial with me.

joxiri:
morpheus
i dnt think thats a silly question unless its private and u decline to answer
regardless of if you travel all the world you will still have somewhere as your base
pilots and air crew do

I am not sure if the question is trying to determine if I understand the perspective of the Average Nigerian and their travel habits as opposed to someone who has been living in isolation is some western country.

If thats the question then it is a resounding yes,

AjanleKoko:
Where's your primary base? Africa, Europe, or America?

Now thats asking silly questions, If I spend 6 months in Abuja, 2 in ghana, another 3 in South Africa and the rest in England and I am a Nigerian.

Where do you think my primary base is?

AjanleKoko:
Bro, let me just ask you one simple question:
Do you live and work in Africa?

I live and work in Africa. I also work in Europe and in America as well.

how can I compare the experiencies of African holiday destinations if I don't have an all round view of the different areas

damola1:
Also, what's farther and more appealing is better, this year/next year, I will like to visit the UK, USA, Japan, China and countries alike, cos, their colour, weather, environment is different and more appealing.

Did youjust think out loud or is that "colour" I see up there. How old are you?

damola1:
I might consider going for the world cup, but the thought of alqaeida is slowing me thoughts down, fact is, overseas is a developed place, I don't just visit, just to go and touch water, I visit to see development, to see how I can learn one or two things, and also to command more respect among my peers.

don't worry straight flight from naija to sa is virtually risk free.

damola1:
After I have finished visiting this places, then i can start visiting african places, but surely there are some places in africa that I might just zoom off to, egypt, SA, but then again, i have more family and friends in uk, usa, china, etc,

i can accept thatpoint

AjanleKoko:
Studio 53 on MNet features African tourist destinations. Most of the people in Africa who can afford travel watch Mnet anyway.

Thats about the only program I know that does that and it caters more to SA travellers. Its impact is seen in the growing desire for most southern Africans to venture out to places like the seychelles, zanzibar and madagascar. The promotion of these places should come from travel operators inside Nigeria. Ghana is the only spot now awadys that most operators encourage Nigerians to travel to,

AjanleKoko:
Frankly speaking, if you don't live and work in Africa, it will be very difficult for you to make a balanced assessment. What you would value in the West is very different from what we would value in Africa. Most of us enjoy the concrete jungles in Europe and the Americas. Apart from SA, there is little or no opportunity to enjoy a relatively sane environment.

Now the bolded part is very untrue. I spent some time in Ethiopia not too long ago and the place was very relaxing, it afforded me also with the opportunity to experience a very differnt African culture and one that i will be enriched for.

It looks like the Pharoah's coach is still very much interested in taking the Nigerian team to the world cup. he has tangled with Nigeria many times and knows the teams weakness in and out so I suppose he would be a good coach.

Also the motivation would be to see and African team do well since he lost the chance to take his own team .

What do ya'll think





http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/news/newsid=1170349.html#nigeria+receive+shehata+blessing

AjanleKoko:
Dude, everything outside sub-saharan Africa is usually better. As much as I would like to think otherwise. We all hope for that day, but for now . . . aint that the same reason why most of you guys live outside Naija?
I think East Africans do a lot more travel within their region. They share common trade, language and affinity. Like Kenya-Uganda-Tanzania are more or less the same people, speaking Swahili. Same with the peoples of Congo DR, Zambia, Malawi, and Zim.

I don't get your point quite clear. I agree West Africa has less tourist destinations than most of Africa in general but why aren't you traveling to East Africa or Southern Africa or the islands that surrond the areas for recreation. ( the language and cultural differencies there are as contrast as if you took a trip to malaysia)

I agree that shopping is obviously better in the European/American socieites due to price/vaue advantages but the underlying issue here I beleive is ignorance and lack of exposure of some of these interesting areas.

In Nigeria you are programmed with T.V shows and travel channels on the best places to visit in europe and America yet I doubt anyone can boast of any channel that presents tourist destinations in Africa.