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[quote author=bk/babe99 link=topic=391101.msg5431764#msg5431764 date=1265107776]Yo, yall Nigerians are now officially animals in my books. Who the hell does this kinda nonsense?!!? Atrocity at its highest!!! Geez!!! Yall mudaeffers sick as all hell. Thankx alot Sjeezy for costing me sleep for the next billion years; thanx for the impending nightmares!!!

PS: I also saw this one on the net. sheesh!!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SIou3HDmys&feature=related[/quote]I can show you similar footage in your ghettos all across America. Remove the speck from your eyes first then you can have some say down here in Africa

slowpoke!!

Check out CHAKA "ZULU' I mean "ZUMA" in action


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P557HAIshPQ

This thread has become overwhelmingly ridiculous.

I suggest we settle this onthe playing field

I propose a match btw Ghanaweb and Nairaland to be hosted in a neutral Anglophone country(maybe the Gambia0 .

THe looser will be banned from eithers forum for a period of 2 years and py $50,000 fine.

@ ALL

PLEASE IGNORE THE RACIST RESIDENT TROLL NAMED NORDICRACE. HE IS ONLY HERE TO STARE UP TROUBLE BY INCITING RACIST PROPAGANDA

HE IS WAITING FOR RESPONESE SO HE CAN USE THIS FORUM AS A PLATFORM TO STROKE HIS EGO DUE TO  IS OBVIOUS INSECURITIES.

PLEASE IGNORE THE TROLL

suxes2005:
hahahahah

now u r talkin bro

So how come u know dos story about
that place?

SHALOM

Lets just say I specialize in knowing about southern African coutries ergo SA being the largest and most influential in the region.

suxes2005:
Srry, I'm 2 small 2 understand wat u mean bro

Do u mean u r a south african?

SHALOM

Let me make it elementary for you then. I neither live not from South Africa.

moosieh:
Arabs didn't start coming into African until about 700 AD, during which they spread Islam
Before their arrival, the people there were Black. Just like the indigenous Europeans were white, Americans were red, and Asians were yellow, the (North) Africans were BLACK! Arabs spread their religion slowly south (by the sword of course) into Africa and other regions of the world for several centuries until European colonialism. Its only after the withdrawal of the European colonial forces did the Arabs see their opportunity to expand through AFrica once again.

FALSE INFORMATION. If you are not certain of something just say you are not certain. The indigenous north Africans were not necessarily black.See Proof below.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berber_people

moosieh:
There are countless forums where leaders of nations such as Libya (Quaddafi) Sudan (Hassan), Egypt (Nasser), Morocco, Chad, Niger, Algeria, etc have emphatically stated that their nation and entire socio-economic and geo-political existence is Arabic, their tongue, their culture, their religion, etc. For all the Black Muslims out there, they don't consider you a good Muslim unless you speak Arabic. Thier intention is to turn Africa into a Muslim-practicing and Arabic-speaking continent.

In the last 15 centuries, Arab invaders have grabbed 1/3 of the African continent, and systematically enslaved, exterminated or arabised the Blacks they met there.

now thats just propaganda the Arabs have invaded any lands they see and convert the people regardless of their ethnicity or so called "race". in fact there are group of Imazigh indigenous north Africans who reject Arab elite control. These imazigh are not necessarily black people.

the egyptians that were conqured by Arabs were not black, in fact they were not even considered Arab for a long time, same goes for most ot Nubia or what youknow as Northern sudan today. those mofo's aren't Arab only Arabized.

Again Arab is an ethnicity. People who have bee islamized are also Arabized in the same fashion. It doesn't only happen to black people.

Egyptians, Morrocans, Algerian, Tunisians are not necessarily Arab and can claim African ancestry as much as you can. Don't be blinded by misconceptions.

Chad:UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs reports children being sold to Arab herdsmen. As part of a new identity imposed on them the herdsmen ", change their name, forbid them to speak in their native dialect, ban them from conversing with people from their own ethnic group and make them adopt Islam as their religion.


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suxes2005:
morpheus24

r u in S.A or u r from S.A

Let us know so that we can get
the correct info

SHALOM

I am from Zion. Deep beneath the earths crust but I do know a thing or two about our southern neighbours,

[quote author=Negro_Ntns link=topic=390749.msg5428019#msg5428019 date=1265047630]1. just because Africa did not have a textual accounts of our history should not be taken to mean, as settling Europeans claimed, that we had no knowledge of a global existence. Africans had a philosophy much more developed than the philosophy of those who conquered us. All human philosophies, whatever the racial type, was built upon divine principles.

The divine principles evolved into astronomy. From astronomy we evolved into personifaction of celestial and terrestrial bodies - deity worship. Then we evolved into religions.[/quote]I agree with that analysis 100%

[quote author=Negro_Ntns link=topic=390749.msg5428019#msg5428019 date=1265047630]There is no record of human abuse and persecution prior to religion. So religion became the first point in human history when the propagation of belief system also started a power struggle to dominate and rule.

For most part of that period, Africa remained in deity worship. This account is chronicled in Torah where Moses was decreed to lead His people out of Egypt so the destruction of their city and King will not touch the tribes. It is also in Bible where it is said that Christians fearing persecution from Rome escaped into Egypt for security. Qur'an also gave extensive account of a need to wage war against idol woshippers who continue in the practice of their fore fathers.

It should not therefore surprise that Western education is a hybrid of European and Arabian evolution from astronomy into the physical sciences. I don't know if you have but in case not, I would love for you to read "The Chemical History of a Candle" by the famous scientist Michael Faraday.

His narrations sound more esoteric than scientific and its hard to tell if he was not himself one of the priests in ancient Egypt.

The aspirations for more power to control and supervise the lives of other people outside of their belief system urged Europeans to seek better means for faster outcomes and as the results of these ambitions produced rewards then they developed a guild for recruiting people with inquisitive minds and persuasions to devote mind and resource into bulding social and political eminence. This was the beginning of western academy. From guild to what we now call schools.

Education has always been a birthright of every human even before the beginning of religion but western academy became a privilege.

In our age, we are witnessing the transition point into a new belief system. Cyber! The interconnectivity of ideologies existing as an open source database for creativity, identity, belonging, liberty, security and fulfillment. As it is in past, so it is now. Nations suspicous of the new belief system are reluctant to accept it and so they surveil, ambush and persecute those who practice it.

In all of this, Africa is stll behind. We are behind because the doctrines of deity worship acknowledges that mankind is one brotherhood and so it is counter intuitive and offensive to the spirit to dominate your belief upon another human. Its simple. . .you must not do unto others what you do not want done to you. Isn't that one of the laws in Torah, Bible and Qur'an? So our principal belief system in Africa is endorsed by the scriptures in which the Europeans and the Arabs have found inspiration to evolve their societies.

Not only that, the new age belief system of cyber society subsists on a tecchnological infrastructure built end-to-end in binary formatting. Binary secrets had been in Africa since whenever "Ifa" had existed.

The 256 corpus of Ifa divinity when broken into discrete binaries will result in a full complex or dynamic complex of a two way communication. . .

Faraday bent the scholarship of European guilds into his knowledge of the mystical power of a burning flame and produced science. Al Jibril, an Arab mystic used his knowledge of astronomy to produce mathematical equations known today as algebra.

None of these men were famous for academic excellence or degree but rather for creativity. Europeans come to Africa and study animals and create findings then turn around and teach us the findings. Why couldn't we do the studies. . .the animals are right here in our backyard?

So our philosophies reside in these old beliefs that our fore fathers practiced. Our redemption is in them.

2. I don't know what the product will be but at the core, it should be one that is distinctly African but not a runaway from a global understanding. In other words, it would have interface points between our definitions of social order and that of the western world.[/quote]Chei! You are reading into all this a bit too much don't you think. Though an excellent insight I have my reservations but am tootired right now to get into them. maybe in a couple of days,

Gbawe:
you're angry? Please keep belittling the laudable strides Nigerians are making in your country while you are happy to play onlooker. Also , rather than getting involved in shaping the business climate of your nation, continue to let apathy and lack of ambition force you to remain on the sideline while the Nigerian and Lebanese business communities grow bolder because of your disinterest in the opportunities around you. Abeg please continue to let hate dictate what your tongue says to the extent you call a successful international franchise a "Chicken outlets" , because it is owned by a Nigerian, instead of learning from its success.

Don't stop telling the World , even if you know in your heart it is not true, that majority of the Nigeria businesses in Ghana are fronts for drug dealers. Please never tackle the type of hate that pushes you to making outlandish and ridiculous pronouncement that defy logic such as a statement made by another Ghanaian on this forum that "3 out of every 5 armed robbers in Ghana is Nigerian"!!!!!!!

Hate prevents you from being effective and productive. Succesful Ghanaians like Alhaji Asuma Banda (Antrak air) are always the Ghanaians who eschew hate and are savvy, exposed , amiable and liberal. The haters sit on website calling citizens of a nation armed robbers, 419ners , etc , etc , etc.

Here here!!

@ Moosieh

Please sample the link below and pay attention to the pargrapghs on Egyptian "origins" and "identity" you might learn a thing or two

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?action=post;topic=389204.256;num_replies=287

moosieh:
I'm only posting the ugly truth when it comes to arabs in Africa and how they came to be here
Its obvious many don't know (or don't want to know) this truth, the brutal destruction and genocide of Africans by committed by arabs TO THIS VERY DAY.

Mr Moosieh

Not all North Africans are Arabs. You should know that the Arabs did not replace the existing population as many are made to believe. They are the elite rulling class but not the majority.

Most North African countries acknowledge their Berber, Nubian and Carthagianian ancestry. Their ancestors have been here Long enough to be considered African and they carrry ancient African DNA markers whcih can be diferentiated from Arabs outside of the the continent. They are Arabized in culture.

moosieh:
[b]THEY ARE NOT AFRICAN NOR DO THEY CONSIDER THEMSELVES SUCH[/b]The vast majority of north africans are racially caucasian, ethnically arab, religiously muslim, but LIVE in Africa.
This does NOT make them African, gentlemen. They might tell you otherwise, but this is their worldview, which they emphatically embrace.
Why can't you?

African is a generic term used to descrie people originating in a geographic area. Arab is an ethnicity. There are Arabs who are African.

If I am worng then Then maybe you should enlighten us on what it is to be African. Please answer that question for me.

moosieh:
There's no denying that Ghanians and Nigerians are Africans. Egyptians ARE NOT. Sorry to burst your bubble, but they ain't

What makes a Nigerian and a Ghanian African but not an egyptian. I Please enlighten us o wise one.

moosieh:
Since independence, Egypt, Morrocco, Libya, Tunisia even Sudan pledged support to the Arab League and not Pan Africanism. A decision which has not since been reversed. Pan-Africanism and Pan-Arabism oppose each other to the effect that North Africans (arabs) have committed one atrocity after another against Blacks in their own native country. Look at the:

    * Apartheid & black slavery in Mauritania TODAY
    * Colorism and Arab enslavement of blacks in Sudan TODAY
    * Ethnic cleansing of Nubians in Egypt and Sudan TODAY
    * The centuries-old Arab quest for Lebensraum [living space] in Africa

There is no country where Blacks living under arab rule are living a life of relative peace and comfort. Even if they have been "islamicized". If they are, they're likely sellout rulers/politicians pandering to the arab agenda.

Sorry, but knowing what I know about north africa's arabs, their systematic and overtly racist, oppressive and barbaric maltreatment towards the indigenous Black populations of North Africa causes me to shake my head when I see the responses of people on this board.

Like your country doesn't have problems btw ethnic groups even though they are all black. Please!!

[quote author=1,2 link=topic=376796.msg5310999#msg5310999 date=1263431101]MTN is not a white owned company, its a black owned company. DSTV is not white owned. Nandos is also not white owned. And the richest person in South Africa aint white either. You thought Whites control every thing. White people make only 9% of the whole Population, There is only 4.7 million white people out of a total 50 million South Africans. Just come and see for your self, you will be surprised.[/quote]I think you better read up on the history of those companies you mentioned above.

[quote author=1,2 link=topic=376796.msg5310999#msg5310999 date=1263431101]Of course white people are well off since they benefitted from Apartehid, but they don't control South Africa Economically, that i can tell you. Even if they are white own, those white people are still South African. They have been here for over 400 years, more than white Americans in america. Then dont they deserve to be called South African if you can call White Americans Americans when they have only been there for less than 300 yrs.[/quote]That is false information. simply because you see some Black CEO's running around does not equate to economice power. Ask Thabo Mbeki that questioned and he will tell you why his policies were geared towards pleasing the business community.

[quote author=1,2 link=topic=376796.msg5310999#msg5310999 date=1263431101]Some thing that i should tell you, we dont see every thing in black and white here in the South. You will never hear that there is a tribal war, There is only 4 tribes in SA and they respect each other.[/quote]There are more that 4 tribes in SA bro and you know it. The reason there is relative cohesion is primarily due to the Apatheid era where groups were fighting for a common cause and therefore were able to identify as a unite eliminating differences between groups. Though your Zulu brothers are stil very stubborn and tried to seceeded while negotiations were going regarding the new constitution.

Morpheus says " For every cause. There is an effect!!"
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@ poster

An excellent analysis which I feel needs to be pondered on as a wholisitc approach to an overhaul of Nigerian and indeed African football.

Our football heroes past were very well groomed in our local leagues and developed their skills to the extent as to be appreciated by European league without having to sell their God given talnets for the almighty Pound a la giving up the "African flare".

It saddens me when I see boys in lagos running around talking about Man U and the likes,though I understand the reason it really isn't helping

NordicRace:
AND would u say the same in era of african invasion by soe evil whites??

Rephrase the question in proper English, and I will be able to answer it.

You aren't getting the hint with your posts being taken down.

keep up the racist redrick.

I smell a ban coming along,


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5xp2j0F3wg

eldee:
@morpheus
Stop talking out of your a[i]r[/i]se . . . South Africa is a major tourist destination so what??

Funny I was just about to tell you the same thing, about your arse that is. The answer to the "so what?' means if a place is a major tourist destinatin it means it is relatively safe by western standards since they are by far the highest number of holiday travellers in the world. or are you too thick to understand that.

eldee:
You say I'm being sentimental, am I the one that compiled the murder and assault rate per capita list?? Am I the one that killed people in xenophobic attacks??
Am I the one despoiling women in Jo'burg??
But no . . . because you survived there means it's the safest place to live.

No one is quite familiar with these statistics as I am and has greatly expressed the concerns of the above matter on this forum( you may confirm from a regular contirbutor by the name of RSA) however the fact still remains the issues are grossly overexagerrated by the western media to the point that it distorts the real picture of what occurs in SA.

eldee:
Now you say the European governments are sore . . . it never occurred to you that they just might be trying to protect their citizens??
In your weird way of thinking, the fact that a place has 'pretty places' means it's safe??

If that was their only motive then surely that can be done in a very different manner other than obvious scare tactics. All they simply had to do was make their citizenry award of hot crime spots in the country, a simple on line video of arrival procedures in the country, how to hail a cab, how to get around and safety tips or where and where not to go alone.

I mean if you had a group of europeans planning to visit Nigeria for a month you wouldn't stare them to Ajegunle at night time nor would you book travel for them to hot spots in the Niger-Delta would you?

Advertising knife proof vests and focusing on trouble areas ina nation without showing the contrasting good spots is biased in my reasoning. Please see the videos below NS Mkw auew you view all of them. You never see this reported on BBC media do ya?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgykU5iDly4


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJsNsCcJIn4&feature=related


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOwx9ba6ww0&feature=related


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdkbVfK9ZX8&feature=related


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygib-48D0PQ&feature=related

eldee:
If the Togolese had done that, they'll prolly have been the ones in the final not Ghana.

You cannot compare the SA government with the Angoland  government, not by a long shot. Fact,

moosieh:
gentlemen, I hear you.
But let me pose this question.
Again the focus of my posts are not on Ghanians or Nigerians per se
But on the irony of arab nations winning the African Cup of Nations. Repeatedly for that matter.
What message does this send to you?
I'm just curious.

That it is unAfrican to differentiate on racial lines when commenting on African football.THe morrocan, Algerian,Tunisian and indeed the Egytians have long historic ties to Africa going back a very long time and despite the Arabization of North Africa not all North Africans are genetically Arabs even though many of them think so.

So there should be no issue. What I do believe is that the European style of soccer is killing the flare of the West African footballers and thus killing our style of play

eldee:
I know someone that lost a friend there before so shut the f[i]u[/i]ck up before you start painting a picture of brotherliness and all your B.S.

I don't know how you guys manage to think you know more than the picture and videos that we see on TV.
Do you think the whole world's against SA or sumn?? You guys flatter yourself.

Well figures. You pass sweeping judgments based on reports you have heard by people who are not even eye witnesses.

Its a common trend I have seen by people who have no real idea of what they are discussing.

For your information I have done a couple of consultancy work for NGO's who are based in SA and have been opportuned to vist several places there seeing first hand the troubles that plague the township areas,the changing government structure,Xenophobia,Nepotism and so on but for all its issues SA remains a prime Tourist destination and has  some of the prettiest places. Its simple facts not sentimental hearsay.

The SAffers do have issues with other Africans and must be confronted on this issue as an internal African Affair but to suggest people wear Bullet proof vests on their vist to the Johanesburg is pretty much far fetched and ridiculous. If you have a gripe about Nigeria/South Africa relations well thats another matter entirely in which both sides have valid argueing points.

It is silly to believe a country that has hosted several major international events will somehow fall short when the WC arrives. Just doesn't hold through to fact my bros.

So lets call this what it is. THe Europeans are sore at the Southern African governments.

eldee:
@Sam Milla

As Str8talk said, I'm fed with truth and lies, but also with the ability to make critical analysis.
You compare Sout Africa to Germany?? Come the bleep on . . . let's be reasonable here.
I've never heard of Germans going on killing sprees against my own country.

When Nigerians emigrate, they give reasons like the economy and stuff like that, 80% of emigrants from South Africa put the crime rate as one of their reasons for leaving.
South Africa's number of despoils per capita is higher than those in warring countries . . . they top murder and assault leagues and you're telling me I'm part of the propaganda??

We hosted the Youth World Cup, good . . . that's nothing compared to the biggest thing in sport.
Millions of people are not even going there to watch matches . . . you think the retarded xenophobic idiots don't know this??

When it's businessmen, there are areas that are reserved for them, you can't do the same in the World Cup, there's far too many people.
That's why I'm saying it so easily, if you're going to SA, try as much as possible to stay in Cape Town.

As for me and any reasonable Nigerian, it's once beaten twice shy.

I have one question for you Eldee

[b]Have you ever been to SA before?[/b]After you answer that question then I will commence with the questioning.

Its painfully obvious the realities people see on TV versus whatis actually happening on ground.

^

This is not news to me. I won't be surpriseed if that guy is foudn to be HIV positive in the near future.

[quote author=Bandit C. link=topic=388638.msg5412652#msg5412652 date=1264795955]Lol at the people trying to create baseless conspiracy theories as proof that westerners are against south africans and africans in general. While that may be partially true, the reality is that South Africa is a country with extreme violence and dying of xenophobia. I mean, look at how they kill their neighbours and their government keeps living in denial.

Westerners and Africans who could, should simply stay away from any events taking place in SA and leave them to keep wallowing in their xenophobia and bigotry.

Afterall, it was one south african on these boards that was bragging on how they share nothing with other africans except geographical borders.

Don't come here crying that other african people should back you and creating silly theories of racism when whites go after you and turn around later to disown your fellow africans because you think they are after your MC Donald eateries.

Pathetic people.[/quote]Before I even move forward, have you been to South African before?

cause it is painfully obvious you haven't

trukoments:
thats why in the eighties when President Robert Mgabe was been knighted and hosted to dinners in Engalnd, all the newspapers carried fron page pictures of him reading 'good example of a true african leader', but when he decided to take the stolen lands back by force(the way the u.s.a and others stole iraqi oil) the newspapers followed the goverments lead by writing terrible things about him and his country. so whoever the british governments like today,irrespective of the fact that he is a good or bad leader,the british media and others would write goo things about him and whoever they dont like the media reports bad things about the person or country.

I think it truly is a superiority complex issue. Any situation that is not sactioned by the "west' is seen as below par.

They used the same tactics against China who emloyed a very isolationist and conservative approach to their affairs and accused them of gross human rights violations  but look at China now. Suddenly the have flipped the script,The US and West are powerless in influencing any affairs in that region. All becasue China has built up it self as a major player.

These people do not really favor any progress for the African countries no matter how much people say they give hand outs to Africa. Thats equivalent to the slave based Debt mentality most western consumer societies are being strangeled with everyday.

If they were fair then for every negative comment about South Africa there shuld accompany a similar one on the progress it is making and the good that is being done by many organizations who I have witnessed are truly transforming African societies.

Sadly good newss is not sensational enought to attarct readers and therefore they will write about what people will flock to.

fomski1:
[b]Aghatamari you are so funny, how i wish you can come down to Asia, malaysia in particulat and see how the white are treating the blacks. I am a Nigeria schooling in Kuala Lumpur district in Malaysia. I regretted coming here but i have no one to blame but myself for coming here. I am married to a black America from San francisco Ca and she has visited me three times in Nigeria and once in Malaysia. She discover the big difference of racism in Malaysia and Nigeria. Infact she enjioned travelling to Nigeria than Asia continent full of racism.When i booked for a car here they charge twice the real amount or take you in the cab and passed through a long routh to your destination so that you pay more for your trip just because you are a black. Even that one is a small issue compare to closing their mouth and nose each time they come in contact with a black man or woman. Any black here in Malaysia will testify to these facts, can you imagine such an insult and am sure you don't face that in Nigeria if not, i known by now you would have probably boarded the next plane back home.So to me these broblem is all over the world only God will save us. And for this simple reason of racial discrimination a lot of people are not doing the will of God just imagine what the last day of God judgement will be like.

Don't mind agathamari, she has been hanging around lagos for too long. Oyinbo is derogatory if you choose to view it that way. It has no racial undertones and is a word simply used to describe european and non european foreigners. Nigerians do not use this in such a manner as to offend the person. Point blank.

As far as touching and grabbing, its a cultural thing which I am surprised you have not gotten used to by now obviously coming from a society that views proximity as an invasion of privacy. I mean if you moved to the kalahari desert with the san people you don't expect them to conform to your social norms do you?

Please visit Abuja and see how "Oyinbo" dey waka up and down there enjoying themselves and being given prefrential treatment just because.


PS a foreigner who is not localized will be taken advantage off anywhere in the world. This is true of brazil, South Africa china and so on.

I doubt if you've lived in Nigeria for as long as you say you have , you are not already familiar with the tactics used to extort money from people.

Please watch this deaf oyinbo girl get around Abuja being familiar with Typical extortion tactics. i wonder why you would have a bigger problem is she is brave enough


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zl50goRPRoU&feature=related