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[quote author=1,2 link=topic=376796.msg5310999#msg5310999 date=1263431101]MTN is not a white owned company, its a black owned company. DSTV is not white owned. Nandos is also not white owned. And the richest person in South Africa aint white either. You thought Whites control every thing. White people make only 9% of the whole Population, There is only 4.7 million white people out of a total 50 million South Africans. Just come and see for your self, you will be surprised.[/quote]I think you better read up on the history of those companies you mentioned above.

[quote author=1,2 link=topic=376796.msg5310999#msg5310999 date=1263431101]Of course white people are well off since they benefitted from Apartehid, but they don't control South Africa Economically, that i can tell you. Even if they are white own, those white people are still South African. They have been here for over 400 years, more than white Americans in america. Then dont they deserve to be called South African if you can call White Americans Americans when they have only been there for less than 300 yrs.[/quote]That is false information. simply because you see some Black CEO's running around does not equate to economice power. Ask Thabo Mbeki that questioned and he will tell you why his policies were geared towards pleasing the business community.

[quote author=1,2 link=topic=376796.msg5310999#msg5310999 date=1263431101]Some thing that i should tell you, we dont see every thing in black and white here in the South. You will never hear that there is a tribal war, There is only 4 tribes in SA and they respect each other.[/quote]There are more that 4 tribes in SA bro and you know it. The reason there is relative cohesion is primarily due to the Apatheid era where groups were fighting for a common cause and therefore were able to identify as a unite eliminating differences between groups. Though your Zulu brothers are stil very stubborn and tried to seceeded while negotiations were going regarding the new constitution.

Morpheus says " For every cause. There is an effect!!"
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@ poster

An excellent analysis which I feel needs to be pondered on as a wholisitc approach to an overhaul of Nigerian and indeed African football.

Our football heroes past were very well groomed in our local leagues and developed their skills to the extent as to be appreciated by European league without having to sell their God given talnets for the almighty Pound a la giving up the "African flare".

It saddens me when I see boys in lagos running around talking about Man U and the likes,though I understand the reason it really isn't helping

NordicRace:
AND would u say the same in era of african invasion by soe evil whites??

Rephrase the question in proper English, and I will be able to answer it.

You aren't getting the hint with your posts being taken down.

keep up the racist redrick.

I smell a ban coming along,


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5xp2j0F3wg

eldee:
@morpheus
Stop talking out of your a[i]r[/i]se . . . South Africa is a major tourist destination so what??

Funny I was just about to tell you the same thing, about your arse that is. The answer to the "so what?' means if a place is a major tourist destinatin it means it is relatively safe by western standards since they are by far the highest number of holiday travellers in the world. or are you too thick to understand that.

eldee:
You say I'm being sentimental, am I the one that compiled the murder and assault rate per capita list?? Am I the one that killed people in xenophobic attacks??
Am I the one despoiling women in Jo'burg??
But no . . . because you survived there means it's the safest place to live.

No one is quite familiar with these statistics as I am and has greatly expressed the concerns of the above matter on this forum( you may confirm from a regular contirbutor by the name of RSA) however the fact still remains the issues are grossly overexagerrated by the western media to the point that it distorts the real picture of what occurs in SA.

eldee:
Now you say the European governments are sore . . . it never occurred to you that they just might be trying to protect their citizens??
In your weird way of thinking, the fact that a place has 'pretty places' means it's safe??

If that was their only motive then surely that can be done in a very different manner other than obvious scare tactics. All they simply had to do was make their citizenry award of hot crime spots in the country, a simple on line video of arrival procedures in the country, how to hail a cab, how to get around and safety tips or where and where not to go alone.

I mean if you had a group of europeans planning to visit Nigeria for a month you wouldn't stare them to Ajegunle at night time nor would you book travel for them to hot spots in the Niger-Delta would you?

Advertising knife proof vests and focusing on trouble areas ina nation without showing the contrasting good spots is biased in my reasoning. Please see the videos below NS Mkw auew you view all of them. You never see this reported on BBC media do ya?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgykU5iDly4


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJsNsCcJIn4&feature=related


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOwx9ba6ww0&feature=related


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdkbVfK9ZX8&feature=related


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygib-48D0PQ&feature=related

eldee:
If the Togolese had done that, they'll prolly have been the ones in the final not Ghana.

You cannot compare the SA government with the Angoland  government, not by a long shot. Fact,

moosieh:
gentlemen, I hear you.
But let me pose this question.
Again the focus of my posts are not on Ghanians or Nigerians per se
But on the irony of arab nations winning the African Cup of Nations. Repeatedly for that matter.
What message does this send to you?
I'm just curious.

That it is unAfrican to differentiate on racial lines when commenting on African football.THe morrocan, Algerian,Tunisian and indeed the Egytians have long historic ties to Africa going back a very long time and despite the Arabization of North Africa not all North Africans are genetically Arabs even though many of them think so.

So there should be no issue. What I do believe is that the European style of soccer is killing the flare of the West African footballers and thus killing our style of play

eldee:
I know someone that lost a friend there before so shut the f[i]u[/i]ck up before you start painting a picture of brotherliness and all your B.S.

I don't know how you guys manage to think you know more than the picture and videos that we see on TV.
Do you think the whole world's against SA or sumn?? You guys flatter yourself.

Well figures. You pass sweeping judgments based on reports you have heard by people who are not even eye witnesses.

Its a common trend I have seen by people who have no real idea of what they are discussing.

For your information I have done a couple of consultancy work for NGO's who are based in SA and have been opportuned to vist several places there seeing first hand the troubles that plague the township areas,the changing government structure,Xenophobia,Nepotism and so on but for all its issues SA remains a prime Tourist destination and has  some of the prettiest places. Its simple facts not sentimental hearsay.

The SAffers do have issues with other Africans and must be confronted on this issue as an internal African Affair but to suggest people wear Bullet proof vests on their vist to the Johanesburg is pretty much far fetched and ridiculous. If you have a gripe about Nigeria/South Africa relations well thats another matter entirely in which both sides have valid argueing points.

It is silly to believe a country that has hosted several major international events will somehow fall short when the WC arrives. Just doesn't hold through to fact my bros.

So lets call this what it is. THe Europeans are sore at the Southern African governments.

eldee:
@Sam Milla

As Str8talk said, I'm fed with truth and lies, but also with the ability to make critical analysis.
You compare Sout Africa to Germany?? Come the bleep on . . . let's be reasonable here.
I've never heard of Germans going on killing sprees against my own country.

When Nigerians emigrate, they give reasons like the economy and stuff like that, 80% of emigrants from South Africa put the crime rate as one of their reasons for leaving.
South Africa's number of despoils per capita is higher than those in warring countries . . . they top murder and assault leagues and you're telling me I'm part of the propaganda??

We hosted the Youth World Cup, good . . . that's nothing compared to the biggest thing in sport.
Millions of people are not even going there to watch matches . . . you think the retarded xenophobic idiots don't know this??

When it's businessmen, there are areas that are reserved for them, you can't do the same in the World Cup, there's far too many people.
That's why I'm saying it so easily, if you're going to SA, try as much as possible to stay in Cape Town.

As for me and any reasonable Nigerian, it's once beaten twice shy.

I have one question for you Eldee

[b]Have you ever been to SA before?[/b]After you answer that question then I will commence with the questioning.

Its painfully obvious the realities people see on TV versus whatis actually happening on ground.

^

This is not news to me. I won't be surpriseed if that guy is foudn to be HIV positive in the near future.

[quote author=Bandit C. link=topic=388638.msg5412652#msg5412652 date=1264795955]Lol at the people trying to create baseless conspiracy theories as proof that westerners are against south africans and africans in general. While that may be partially true, the reality is that South Africa is a country with extreme violence and dying of xenophobia. I mean, look at how they kill their neighbours and their government keeps living in denial.

Westerners and Africans who could, should simply stay away from any events taking place in SA and leave them to keep wallowing in their xenophobia and bigotry.

Afterall, it was one south african on these boards that was bragging on how they share nothing with other africans except geographical borders.

Don't come here crying that other african people should back you and creating silly theories of racism when whites go after you and turn around later to disown your fellow africans because you think they are after your MC Donald eateries.

Pathetic people.[/quote]Before I even move forward, have you been to South African before?

cause it is painfully obvious you haven't

trukoments:
thats why in the eighties when President Robert Mgabe was been knighted and hosted to dinners in Engalnd, all the newspapers carried fron page pictures of him reading 'good example of a true african leader', but when he decided to take the stolen lands back by force(the way the u.s.a and others stole iraqi oil) the newspapers followed the goverments lead by writing terrible things about him and his country. so whoever the british governments like today,irrespective of the fact that he is a good or bad leader,the british media and others would write goo things about him and whoever they dont like the media reports bad things about the person or country.

I think it truly is a superiority complex issue. Any situation that is not sactioned by the "west' is seen as below par.

They used the same tactics against China who emloyed a very isolationist and conservative approach to their affairs and accused them of gross human rights violations  but look at China now. Suddenly the have flipped the script,The US and West are powerless in influencing any affairs in that region. All becasue China has built up it self as a major player.

These people do not really favor any progress for the African countries no matter how much people say they give hand outs to Africa. Thats equivalent to the slave based Debt mentality most western consumer societies are being strangeled with everyday.

If they were fair then for every negative comment about South Africa there shuld accompany a similar one on the progress it is making and the good that is being done by many organizations who I have witnessed are truly transforming African societies.

Sadly good newss is not sensational enought to attarct readers and therefore they will write about what people will flock to.

fomski1:
[b]Aghatamari you are so funny, how i wish you can come down to Asia, malaysia in particulat and see how the white are treating the blacks. I am a Nigeria schooling in Kuala Lumpur district in Malaysia. I regretted coming here but i have no one to blame but myself for coming here. I am married to a black America from San francisco Ca and she has visited me three times in Nigeria and once in Malaysia. She discover the big difference of racism in Malaysia and Nigeria. Infact she enjioned travelling to Nigeria than Asia continent full of racism.When i booked for a car here they charge twice the real amount or take you in the cab and passed through a long routh to your destination so that you pay more for your trip just because you are a black. Even that one is a small issue compare to closing their mouth and nose each time they come in contact with a black man or woman. Any black here in Malaysia will testify to these facts, can you imagine such an insult and am sure you don't face that in Nigeria if not, i known by now you would have probably boarded the next plane back home.So to me these broblem is all over the world only God will save us. And for this simple reason of racial discrimination a lot of people are not doing the will of God just imagine what the last day of God judgement will be like.

Don't mind agathamari, she has been hanging around lagos for too long. Oyinbo is derogatory if you choose to view it that way. It has no racial undertones and is a word simply used to describe european and non european foreigners. Nigerians do not use this in such a manner as to offend the person. Point blank.

As far as touching and grabbing, its a cultural thing which I am surprised you have not gotten used to by now obviously coming from a society that views proximity as an invasion of privacy. I mean if you moved to the kalahari desert with the san people you don't expect them to conform to your social norms do you?

Please visit Abuja and see how "Oyinbo" dey waka up and down there enjoying themselves and being given prefrential treatment just because.


PS a foreigner who is not localized will be taken advantage off anywhere in the world. This is true of brazil, South Africa china and so on.

I doubt if you've lived in Nigeria for as long as you say you have , you are not already familiar with the tactics used to extort money from people.

Please watch this deaf oyinbo girl get around Abuja being familiar with Typical extortion tactics. i wonder why you would have a bigger problem is she is brave enough


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zl50goRPRoU&feature=related

I have been to several parts of SA and these stereo types are very exaggerated. There is crime but it is centralized in certain areas that can be avoided.

Even the so called Hilbrow is not as dangerous as they make it seem. Its like you saying just because you are a white guy walking around Festac town you are going to be mugged. This is not true.

The SA government has doubled security measures which will deter a lot of criminals but the propaganda is very intense. It has scared many a people who know little about the country itself.

I had a friend I met in SA who was scared stiff of coming to Nigeria. I advised her that these were over exagerrated stereo types. On her visit to Abuja the lady called me back yelling how much she wanted to go back and had so much fun, was treated like royalty.

She swore never to stereotype people again. Just an example of what ignorance causes.

macroworld:
I thought it was 4:0 in favour of Egypt ?

Sorry you are correct

On the other hand Egypt just demolished the Algerians 4: 1

And I meand demolished. They deserve their revenge and will be crowned the Kings of African Soccer.

I don't think the Black stars have a chance against the Pharoahs

Chei

Egypt has demolished the Algerians

I mean demolished,

The USA team are watching this match o!

Nokka:
It is a sad day when comments from Nigerians cannot be differentiated from those of Ghanaian fans. When Nigeria beat Ghana to qualify for the WC in 2002, and again in the 2004 and 2006 ANC, Ghanaians still reserved their brickbats for Nigeria and their team, not themselves.

All over the Internet for the whole world to see and laugh at, we ALL have a long way to go.

What do you expect from a people who have been programmed to be cynical about any progress.

if your leaders are not inspirational and cannot lead you(even soccer leaders for that matter)

You should not be surprised at the outcome.

Take an inspirational leader like Fashola whose name is now synanymous with progress and see how proud lagosians have been come regardless of how small the changes are being made in the state.

ITs official

EGypt vs Ghana

Algeria vs Nigeria for bronze

Na wa remain small that Algerian keeper would be out!!

THe SA's have been getting a ton of negative press from the British especially ever since Mbeki's stance on the Zimbabwean issue I have come to realize. Prior to that their coverage of the area was not so intense.

I suspect foul play and a growing recentment by this western power maybe because the Sourthen Africans have been turning their trade attentions eastward to the Asians.


I realy didn't pay much attentio to it in the past but have come to realize this is not jsut freedom of news reporting and the press but an overt malicious attempt at utter deceptive reporting

Ah the British empire, ever so trying to remain relevant.

chika98:
Who wants to go take a bullet in SA? Such a dangerous place

have you been there before?

NordicRace:
Even more here in europe

Nigerians deported from ireland -

46 Nigerians -
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/group-of-46-asylum-seekers-deported-to-nigeria-1978742.html

25 Nigerians -
http://www.indymedia.ie/article/92126

30 Nigerians -
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2009/0226/1224241835457.html

58 Nigerians -
http://www.naijapals.com/modules/naijapals/index.php/topic,23100.0.html

Nigerians Deported from Europe -


82 Nigerians -
http://www.africanews.com/site/82_Nigerians_deported_from_Europe/list_messages/23484

24 from austria
http://odili.net/news/source/2009/oct/8/19.html

More deported from spain
http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90001/90777/90855/6798301.html

There are too many links to post, nigerians are deported all the time in europe nd it makes news weekly. Nigerians are pests that must be dealt with swiftly. They beg on their knees like dogs for asylum, kissing the great white mans feet.

Please ignore the resident Troll known as NOrdic race.

He is a racist who is being allowed on this site.

He is trying to rope people into his bigotted arguements.

PLEASE IGNORE!!

shesi:
i completely agree with your assesement of mikel. and this coming from a chelsea fan. to be honest, that guy is very very lucky to be playing professional football. players like him are a dime a dozen in most african countries. certainly in ghana. he got lucky in that u20 world cup and he's been riding that luck ever since.

I second that analysis.

kabna:
HEY MORPHEUS OR WHATEVER: U ARE A BLOODY self-servicer

AM 5'10 AND VERY GOOD LOOKIN U IDIOT STINKING NIGERIAN
I HAVE LOST THE PLUG WITH YOU AND ONLY YOU  


FIREAA,  FIREAAA,   FIREAA,

I seriously doubt the 5' 10 judging from an average shoulder to shoulder match up of the average Ghanian and Nigerian on a typical good day.

Yakub is acclamitizes to English style football and is no longer a versatile striker

While martins did not play well. He still deserves to be on the team. He is still a strong boy despite age.

I feel Yobo is very irrelevant in the defence and Nigeria can still survive without him

Odemwingie needs to sharpen his game

Mikel Obi is really not interested in playing for the super eagles as he know he is not really 22 years old and has a couple more years to chop money before his legs begin to fail him.

Danny shittu is rock solid and we should never ever put Taiye Taiwo in that defense formation again.

The rest of nigerias attack midfielders are rubbish sorry to  say!!

kabna:
EH MY FRIEND U SHARAP THER AND WORD OF ADVICE U DONT KNOW WHO U ARE DEALIN WITH BE CARFUL OKAY AND SIT TIGHT WITH your PRIDE

AS THE FRENCH WILL SAY ''ATTASION'' MEANING ATTENTION EH?


AGAIN BE CAREFUL AND MAY THE LORD HAVE MERCY ON U?

I say Sharap there again!. Wetin you wan do with ya short sef!!

Uche2nna:
We just have to admit that we are looking at a[b] very talented generation of ghanian players[/b]. Just a couple of months ago, they were crowned U-20 champions of the world and these guys are already sure of a silver medal in AFCON. I see those dudes really having a strangle hold on African football for some time to come.

And their coach saw this as an opportunity to test them out for their inclusion in the senior team. Very smart move

The team should be seriously restructered with an infusion of younger players btw now and June to see who is up to par or up and coming star who is willing to do or die hard for the team and in return expose his skills in the world cup.

They are out there .Its just a matter of finding them

kabna:
GHANA GHANA GHANA OSEEEYEEEE,   YEEEE     YEEEE,


GHANA OOOOOOO YEE  GHANA OOOO YEEE YEEEE

MEN AM FEELIN THE GOOSE BOMPS

ITS IS BIBLICAL THE RACE IS NOT FOR THE SWIFT NEITHER THE BATTLE FOR THE STRONG

IT IS NOT HIM THAT WILLETH BUT THE LORD

ALL THIS TALK HUMAN REASONONG

OH NA YOUNG BOYS NOTHING GIVE THEM

JUST LIKE MARK GLEESON OF SO CALLED SUPERSPORT GHANA HAS GOT FEW TALENTS : ESSIEN APPIAH MUNTARI THATS IT.


HEY NONE OF THEM PLAYED YET WITH A SRTONG DEFENSE THEY DEFEATED THE SO CALLED GIANTS HMMMMM

My friend sharap there!!

Although Martins did not convert a goal. That boy is the only true striker we have left in Nigeria.

He was unlucky today.

IF AModu takes this team to the world cup. We are in serious trouble.

Amodu does not know how to put this team together. Look at all the chances and not even one conversion.


Infact let me not lie all the African teams are piss poor less Ivory coast.

Ghana though have had a good outing using their young players and able to make it to the semi's.