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KingCold:
At this point, I don't really care about your points. You bore me

Yes an intellectual scrimmage creates boredom in the mind of a simpleton. They can't see past their own limitations.

KingCold:
Yawn. I said what i said, live with it.

No, you articulated what your brain was able to comprehend based on its limitations.


FREE YOUR MIND!!

KingCold:
Ey you like the dragging the issue for it's sake. You insinuated that the "dry maze" we eat is the cause of our short stature, I then debunked that, using Japan as an example. We are short because of genetics.

Point 1.To insinuate something is not to infer or draw an inference.

Point 2. Diet is an indisputable "factor" that contributes to the morphology and genetic disposition of a people over a long period of time. Nuture influences nature. Look it up.

KingCold:
You know nothing about South African cuisine, different tribes eat different rypes of food. Stop acting like a know-it-all please. Its annoying.

What special delicacy do the cattle rearting Xhosa prepare that is vastly different from the Zulu or the Ndebele?

What special delicacy derived from crops does the Tswhana, the sotho, the pedi prepare that is different from each other?

What delicacy do Khoisan people prepare that is vastly different from yours?

What does the Venda prepare that is vastly different.

The rest of any cuisines that are different form the above mentioned or infused into your menu were introduced by the Europeans, Indians and Indonesians.

KingCold:
Nigerians simply don't integrate well in the South African society compared to other imigrants. Its really that simple. No epistle required.

Where is the evidence of the Congolese integrating well, The Rwandan's, the Senegalese, Ethiopians, Somalis, Sudanese, Ghanaians, Cameroonians, Congo brazavilleans, Angolans. Where are they represented in the upper echelons of your society. Where are they In the banks, on tv, government agencies, hospital staff, etc.

If you are referring to the docile nature of some of these groups as a definition of integration you are 100% correct. That however is not the nature of the ethnic group of Nigerians who dominate the numbers of Nigerians in SA.

Imbeciles see what they want to see and not what is really there.

JaceBlaze:
I was summoning you to come here and observe your life,not to ask questions.Idiot!!!

to come here my life or here the life of my country men, which one, i.mbecile?

Please summon the great Morphues when you have serious things to debate about not to come mope around, I don't jack into the Matrix just for nothing.

KingCold:
Nigerians aren't like Mozambicans or Zimbabweans, those are the only people that can say they understand SA because you'll find them on every level of South African society. Nigerians are cooked up on the periphery of CBD life. They can live there for ages but don't understand the culture, languages etc. They are clueless. And you are right, those in kirikiri think they know more than the clueless ones in SA

Point 1. The Mozambicans and Zimbabweans have lived with you for a far longer time before colonial lines were drawn. Some of the ethnic groups that come from these countries are your Kith and Kin, therefore they would know your cultures far more so than the West African so your point is mute and not moot.

Point 2. There are very good number of Nigerians who live in SA as students, Professionals, Investors etc. The ones you see in larger numbers are the semi skilled ones who crowd the CBD's, an obvious destination for any such person when first entering the country.

Point 3. There are a larger number of poor Zimbabweans and Mozambicans who live in locations and outside of the CBD than there are professionals that have integrated into the system and come from these groups therefore your point is pointless, because proportionately their variations are pretty much the same as any other group of immigrants that enter the country.

IMBECILES see what they want to see and not what is really there. WENA!

KingCold:
The Japanese are the healthiest people on the planet, eat very healthily and are very short. Your argument doesn't fly. The dry azz maize is still better than the snakes you be eating and posting on NL

Aztec South Americans are also short in statue and so are papau new guineans. So what?


I made no correlation to health and statue. I made the correlation to the lack of a variety of foods absent in your South African menu and correlated to your statue.

JaceBlaze:
LoL even those living in Hillbrow know nothing about South Africa, speak less of those living in kirirkiri.

Stop playing around ya'll know nothing about Africa beyond the Limpopo river.

Have you ever heard of the term by some of your country men when they first journey out of SA to another African country. "I am going to Africa", they say.

See the mampara's lead by the google eyed illiterate can't even register their party properly

IMBECILES!!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99G_AW1fdyc

TMKsouth:
Midgets that kick your butts all the time. I've never heard of a South African who's ever lost a fist fight against a Nigerian. Have u?

Reasons why:

1. Its cause we don't hang around your men, we are busy slamming the women.
2. You are on average so short that we mistake you guys for kids and don't want saps on us for fighting underage minors.
3. Those Football players are an exception because they are athletes and so are selected mostly based on their statues which is necessary for the sport.

JaceBlaze:
Hey wena just go and eat fufu,or whatever other greasy shit y'all eat over there

You really think I'm going to debate with a kwerekwere from West Africa on why I'm voting for the party I'm voting for?

No you don't need to debate, you do need to make sense when you talk otherwise its back to school you go.

PS. I love fufu, it beats that dry azz maize meal and dried meat you call a balanced diet. No wonder a majority of you are midgets not enough body building proteins to aid your growth. Wena!

JaceBlaze:
But also the same Buhari did warn the world about Nigerian criminals.We all know who's in every country committing all sorts of crimes, don't we.

1. I don't know how you Segway to this point when I called you out on mentioning a past president over a present president??

2. Nigerians are the only criminals who are loud about what they do. You have the following in your country
Chinese criminals flooding country with substandard goods, tax evading, exploitation of locals by paying under the counter low wages etc.
Pakistani and indian criminals flooding the country, tax evading, importing drugs in the country, setting up IT networks used to defraud people etc

Ukranian mafia rings infiltrating the private sector in your country making deals with your corrupt officials to attain tenders, pay low wages, evade taxes, import drugs etc.



Imbeciles see what it is that they want to see and not what is truly there. Wena!

JaceBlaze:
What is it that you want us to learn about you? LoL.You know more about us than we know about you, doesn't that prove we're important and you other Africans are just too obsessed with us and everything we do?

No it doesn't prove you are important, it simply based on the fact that you are a guinea pig experiment of an inherited democracy with strong institutions which can be used a case study, Wena!

TMKsouth:
Also summon JovialJune who claims xenophobia is an exclusive SA sport, and her wannabe boyfriend Ikillbrokehoes

South Africa is synaymous with Xenophobia as much as Nigeria is with 419.

No disputing that fact.

JaceBlaze:
Bu bu bu bu but only South Africans are xenophobic towards other Africans.


@Morpheus24 come see your life.

Hey stop calling my name without posing a serious question, simpleton.

JaceBlaze:
So much anger.Must be the result of living without electricity and water

My vote still goes to Mashaba...now cry

LOL you are so infantile in your responses, it is quite easy to discern that you are indeed are a simpleton

Your response tactic is to attack the personality and digress and not the subject.

Let's play your game then: I repeat I cannot be mad at imbeciles, they are God's creatures too and are free to live in a state of imbecility.

The fact though is that the google eyes Mashaba is a semi illiterate who cannot articulate issues nor are his resolutions anymore that militant rhetoric to garner the support of mumu's like yourself who reason on an emotional basis rather than a practical one.

An slowpoke is a citizen and therefore has a right to vote for a nincompoop. I cannot change that fact.

JaceBlaze:
Go and ask your Goodluck Jonathan about your criminals in SA.

Is Goodluck the president or is Buhari.

Please go back to your people and tell them to add African political history 101 to your curriculum cause you are a clueless of anything outside the borders of Limpopo

Such a myopic mind these Saffers are.

JaceBlaze:
Let's see the receipts of these claims

I could likewise ask you to produce the evidence for the percentage of illegal foreigners stealing your jobs and committing violent crimes in your cities as a percentage of your unemployed and prison population to justify the google eyed Mashaba's Lamentations.

JaceBlaze:
It's just same as not having it at all.What the fuçk do you call six months without electricity? Stop with the technical terms.You live in failed country and crying on NL won't change shit for you.

They are not the same thing. Not having something at all and not have a sufficient amount it are not the same thing.

A malnourished child and an unfed child are two different scenarios you dimwit!. One preceds the other.

Learn to express yourself properly, pause and think logically before you write stuff down.

JaceBlaze:
Electricity and water in Nigeria?

Yes re.tard. What you should have intimated was that there is a "LACK OF" sufficient or "IN SUFFICIENT" electricity and pipe borne water in Nigeria

JaceBlaze:
I'm still voting for Mashaba and so are MANY other South Africans.Go be mad somewhere else.

Please after you vote him in remind the google eyed illiterate to go after those Europeans in Cape town and Johannesburg who are illegals as well running businesses using poor black SA peoples details to run estate agencies and Air b n b's without any business licences or work visa's

Xenophobic Re.tards only see what they want to see and not what is actually there.

I am the Watcher. I tell it how it is. Don't be mad at me. If I lie then point the lie out.

JaceBlaze:
Still here without electricity and water? good

Correct yourself r.e.tard. There is electricity and water in Nigeria.

JaceBlaze:
You sound concerned and bothered for someone who claims to be just a watcher

That is merely your perception my Zulu friend.

A watcher is like a muse, we can only whisper but ultimately if a r.e.tard wants to make his choice and is limited by his IQ, we cannot change that.

JaceBlaze:
Stay mad.How was your 61 years of "independence" btw?

How can I be Mad at retards, they are God's creatures too.

PS. 61 years we still here

JaceBlaze:
Sizonke

Xenophobia is a manipulative term used by people who want to make it illegally for South Africans to defend South Africa.I don't get why these outsiders think that what we do in SA ultimately has anything to do with them.

The google eyed Illiterate is no more than an undercover xenophobe who is picking on weak targets and hoping to whip up nationalist sentiments so you can vote his azz back into office so he has a job again. Everybody needs a strategy to get you dumbazz to vote and he has picked his.

I see nothing wrong with a country tackling its broken immigration system but that mampara Mashaba is the most inarticulate undiplomatic mumu I have ever heard speak. That dude is looking for work and is going to use sentiments to get himself in office.

PS I don't really care any which way it goes. I am just a watcher and a warner

TMKsouth:
1. Citizens are never powerless. Politicians are in power at the behest of the citizens and not the other way round.

Most countries in the west of Africa ncluding Nigeria do not have functioning nation states ergo they do not have "citizens" in the true sense of the word. Politicians in Nigeria are in power not at the behest of citizens but through the acquisition of ill gotten wealth which they use to fund and conduct sham elections to please their neo colonial partners so the business of exploiting resources continues as normal. You would understand this if your educational curriculum included the study of politics on your own continent.

TMKsouth:
2. Please don't white worship if we're gonna have productive discussions. What democratic institutions did the current black government inherit from the unjust system of apartheid ? Has it ever occurred to u that the current institutions are there because there was a need to never repeat history?

You are blind if you can't see that the judiciary, legislation and executive arms are governed under past structures created by the prior governments all the way back. You think its a coincidence that your legislature in situated in the cape?

TMKsouth:
3. Do u think if those kids didn't throw stones for 40 years the rest of the world would have taken notice and put pressure on the racist whites ? What else would have ended apartheid otherwise in your opinion? Please explain.

Sharpsville was 'THE" asensational story which took place at the right time in world politics to cause it to galvanize much more strongly against apartheid than any other killings that were widely known by the foreign press that occurred well into the 50's and 60's. If your point is that there was resistance in South Africa to the apartheid regime then yes, that's true but no more so than resistance that occurred in many other African states by young people including Nigeria. Your enemy however was slightly different, they did not acknowledge your existence in the first place and so your assertions took a different manifestation in your psyche. A man who is not even considered human has nothing to live for.

TMKsouth:
4. Just last year the world rallied around Nigeria regarding EndSars. We all thought it would be a revolution but u dropped the ball and crapped your pants when they started shooting. Had those protests been sustained we'd be talking of a different story in Nigeria today. Thats what the kids of SA did over decades and the world couldn't look away. The examples of Ken Saro Wiwas are isolated cases that don't attract attention for long. We also had Steve Biko been killed in detention during apartheid and it didn't rally world leaders against the white racists.

I was in Lagos when Endsars occurred. I didn't see any kids running before shots were fired, after the fact they obviously did run for their lives. If we juxtapose this to the Sharpsville masscare how come those kids took to their heels as well, I don't recall them marching forward offering their bodies to the soldiers to be shot.

False comparison my friend, try again.

TMKsouth:
5. Tell that to the people of Egypt and Tunisia for their heroic efforts during the Arab Spring.

This is how I know your curriculum on Africa comes from snipits of news coverage from the SABC.

The Arab spring was a failure in totality, it brought no substantial change. Mubarak was eventually freed by his military friends. The United states helped to overthrow the muslim brother hood and re-install a Military regime and many decedents were imprisoned, jailed and killed.

The Tunisian spring was likewise a failure, all it did was remove a long standing ruler who was due to go and basically the country was run the same under his successors, no one was tried or jailed.

TMKsouth:
6. U need to study sociology if u think historical inequality doesn't play a role in modern outcomes. Besides, SA kids are rapidly catching up, I never said we were standing static.

I don't think a majority of Nigerians are competing with you except you want to include the village boyz who have chosen to move to SA to continue to run their scam business. The average Nigerian does not run into neither does he want to run into a South African on the African or world stage, that's you guys not us.

TMKsouth:
8. Learn about the principles of Ubuntu which govern human relations in South Africa. U don't defecate on the plate that feeds u. So u don't insult us when we are hosting u in your time of need. It's got nothing to do with our self esteem. I think you're the one who needs to examine yourself. You're sick if u think this is decent human behaviour.

Apartheid has made you all a bunch of overly sensitive sisi's. If a Nigerian abuses you about how Lazy you are how does that hinder or help you in empowering yourself economically. If they move all the riff raffs who are selling their wares or the foreign hair dressers who are making a living in SA back to their countries, how will that empower you psychologically, materially. Will your people come and replace those services and thus dominate that sector. Why can you not dominate these sectors now. You own the spaces don't you. No black foreigner really owns any spaces in South Africa, do they? WHy can't you get access to capital to run businesses, foster innovative ideas etc. These are the relevant questions your people should be asking themselves and stop concentrating on under skilled Foriegners who really have no power over you ultimate destinies in your own spaces.

TMKsouth:
9. It's common knowledge that people who migrate are often the most skilled, entrepreneurial, bold, tenacious and the fittest among their peers - especially in the African context where the experience is most daunting. So I'm afraid the 150 million Nigerians who would be left behind in the end are compromised - the elderly, kids, disabled, lazy, etc.

This would be dependent on the demographics of any nation, right now young people make up a good percentage of the Nigerian population constituting about over 50%. It would be impossible for your analysis to be correct in any way shape or form if we take the demographics you just listed.

TMKsouth:
So that concludes that - let's leave it here for the day dude. Like I said I'm not in the mood for this sort of discuss today. U can reply but I'll read it tomorrow.

In the meantime you can join me in a lighter discussion about tigers in my new thread though, to unwind .

My discussions are heavy and will always be so. I am not interested in simple matters that don't task the brain and force you to think outside of your comforts. This is my purpose.

LeSudAfricaine:
night barbarian

Good night simpleton.

LeSudAfricaine:
I'm bowing out too. Have no time for intellectual wannabe Matrix fanboys especially on this cozy Friday

Run little girl, Run!

TMKsouth:
Keep on holding the fort soldier - I'm nursing a new thread right now. Plus, this one is really draining me now. Will evaluate your work later . AMANDLA!

A polite way to bail because you are now required to use your medulla oblangata.

LeSudAfricaine:
Teach who? Nigerians and delusions... Some think they are "giants of Africa" others call themselves "smartest blacks" and others think they are in "The Matrix ". Funny bunch

The Matrix is analogous to the situations we are discussing and your mind set.

I have no delusions my dear. A giant is a figment of mans imagination. There are no humans who are giants if you think hard about it.

LeSudAfricaine:
Barbarism happens in every country in the world, the guy that went on to kill Muslims in New Zealand was a savage for example. The same thing can and has happened in a country like the US, however some countries are worthy of being called "barbaric "

Nigeria is one of them.

That's an opinion and not fact my dear but you are allowed that.

TMKsouth:
4. A migrant wrecks his own economy by sitting idly and watching his leadership get away with murder. I show Nigerians pictures of the ZumaMustFall movement and marches in SA which refused to let Zuma destroy the country any further, and most of them tell me they're not ready to die for their country and leave their families behind suffering. They fear Buhari will spray them all with bullets.

1. The correct verb must be used in this response. To wreck something means to be an active member in the destruction or exploitation of that asset. To stand by powerless as it is syphoned cannot constitute an act of wreckage.

2. If you are referring to protests as an act of defiance to change outcomes within a society, I am sorry to tell you SA is not unique neither are they braver in this act. The only difference with it and other African countries is the fact that the outcomes in SA are more favorable because the institutions in the country which were ran and inherited from Whites were fully empowered to produce the "change" that occurred.

TMKsouth:
There's no such fear in SA from the public, and not because the government is civilised but because they know what the active citizenry is capable of should they dare - and there's plenty of examples to attest to this. Even during the apartheid times young black kids were throwing stones at the white government armed to the teeth - there was a great determination to liberate ourselves.

Believe what you want but that rhetoric of bravery is an illusion of grandeur. Again the major reason there are favorable outcomes in SA is because the institutions inherited were ran much more longer and so its positives were inherited when it transitioned over into the hands of blacks after 450 years.

TMKsouth:
5. Which leads me to point number 5. There wouldn't have been international political and economic pressure had those kids not sustained their internal opposition to apartheid. They were willing to die for their freedom. In the end it was a negotiated settlement but we don't always need wars in Africa to label ourselves heroic as you're attempting to do - where has that left your country today?

It all depends on who's interests are being threatened in SA to cause enough pressure to transform a government by external powers. In the case of SA it was economics and not your 1976 children throwing stones at armed officers. That's jus the impetus narrative to garner enough support by the economic powers that were at that that with strong interests in SA to pressure the apathed regime to give in.

This has occurred in Nigera several times were there was intervention on the basis of national interest by western and business interest.

The death of Ken Saro Wiwa and the issues in the Niger delta at that time led to the death of Sani Abacha by assasination with the consent of the CIA and business interests to user in democratic rule in Nigeria more so than the thousands of protests, arrests, imprisonments by those who struggled to attain this in Nigeria.

Sorry to burst your bubble. Your people did nothing fantabulous.

TMKsouth:
3. Still on the subject of apartheid u should know how black South Africans were denied quality education and the effects of that are generational and witnessed to this day still. I'm in my 30s but my parents were direct victims of the bantu education system. So it should come as no surprise that we would be behind other African countries on the intellectual innovation scale (not just exclusively compared to Nigeria but Africa as a whole as we were one of the last countries to gain independence). That's why I initially asked why "after 61 years of independence" you still lacked opportunities - compared to South Africa's 27 years of liberation.

You are a millennial born into the most connected and technological advanced times this planet has ever been. This has nothing to do with your parents but the "culture" of entitlement which weighs your youth down focusing them on what these so called messiah google eyed politicians are going to do for them than them doing for themselves

TMKsouth:
1. So South Africa's black and ONLY democratic government has been in power for 27 years as I just mentioned above compared to over 300 years of white rule characterized by colonisation and apartheid. Both systems have been declared by the United Nations as Crimes Against Humanity, so to label the black government as more fantastically corrupt than them is just pure unadulterated WHITE WORSHIP. We all know how the whites acquired African wealth and sought to maintain it. It's not up for discussion.

Mind you Apartheid was a democratic government in the sense that you were not considered citizens within that democratic establishment so this democratic dispensation is technically not the first in SA. The same institutions were inherited from the democratically elected presidents during the Apatheid regime so your point is mute and not moot.

TMKsouth:
2. And finally, borrowing from point 4 in the beginning, SA's future political trajectory shows far better positive signs of not succumbing to the typical form of dysfunction found in most parts of the continent because of an active civil society and viligant citizenry. The same citizenry that finds it difficult to understand why all of Africa chooses to run to SA instead of facing their own demons bedeviling them at home. And yet when these same migrants arrive in SA they begin to mock the very people keeping the SA democracy alive. It's a shame.

on your point 1: I'll give SA a better chance at not succumbing to what you refer to above but there are far more variables that play into that projection than jus the two aforementioned points you raise there and we can debate that statistical probabilities of that and what that would look like.

on your point 2: African migrants and economic refugees have nothing to do with that outcome since they control no resource or power within the frame work of their host nation. The fact that they point to or mock your short comings is pure human nature and shouldn't be taken as more that mere trivialities practiced by poor people. If you are pained by this well that's a reflection that something is obviously wrong with your self esteem, no?

TMKsouth:
Just finally, check how Nigerians reacted just yesterday to a challenge posed to them to stay at home and fix their problems: a vast majority scoffed at the idea. And that's how migrants ruin their own country.

Running Away From Nigeria: Is It Morally Right?
https://www.nairaland.com/6777196/running-away-nigeria-it-morally

There are a lot of Nigerians who do not leave Nigeria so not all of them leave. If there are as they say 150 million Nigerians who are still resident in Nigeria and haven't rushed to the borders then the number of them who leave for greener pastures shouldn't bother you unless you believe every single person from country should stay within the confines of their country cause I know for a fact looking at the population of Nigeria that a majority of them are still there no?