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ijustdey:
. Gazetting of Order to be delayed




https://thenationonlineng.net/executive-order-10-buhari-bows-to-governors-pressure/

Silly journalism. Why can't you state concisely what is their issue with the "constituionality'.

These politicians are always United , irrespective of party affiliation, to shortchange the governed. State governors in Nigeria are too powerful and I'm sure they will like to keep judiciary and legislature perpetually under their wings.

You better come out of audio covid 19 to continue your routine lootiny. Save us the drama.

Asquare84:
Just remember you are now an ex- convict and can not context for election in Nigeria again

It was not a criminal offence.

Maobichek:
I don't understand at all, Church service will not exceed one hour? If you have been to the market, you will realize that and see how it's obtains, you will believe that something is fishy about this Church service resumption. Social distance and face mask are ok but government deciding the duration of our services on Sunday is totally unacceptable and ungodly, thank you.

Why are you comparing market to church?. Market serves a purpose, but today's church, I can't see the needs. I'm sorry, think about it, if Jesus was to be alive, would churches be closed down for months. He saw people doing merchandising in the church, he was angry.

Now churches were closed down for months, and the churches and mosques were helpless. What purpose will something that can't help itself serve in the society . I believe there is God and I'm a Christian but something is obviously wrong with this modern day Christianity. Question your faith

Ronaldo can worth more than Messi. It's not a problem. He might have more commercial value due to his carriage and fashion sense.

However, when it comes to skill, please do not dare compare them. Messi is many steps higher than Ronaldo.

wirinet:
I agree intent is usually difficult to prove. But in this case, from the video, its very obvious. So, unless the defense is mental instability, i don't see how you can choke a man for 9 minutes and then say you don't intend to kill him. The man was practically pleading with the officer not to kill him. The man informed him that he cant breath. He stopped moving and the officer did not let go of the choke hold. If the officer had let go of the choke hold and the man in the ambulance on the way to the hospital, then you can argue, he did not intend to kill him. But the man died before the arrival of the ambulance.

If after the clear cut video evidence with lots of witnesses, the police man (men) walks free, then there is something fundamentally wrong with the US justice system.

You are being understandably emotional but emotions don't win cases in court. You saw an intent to kill. A defence lawyer might see a standard procedure that went wrong. It is not open and close case like you think. Like I earlier stated, the defence lawyer might even claim that the sensationalism of the case would never guarantee a fair trial for his clients because people have already formed an opinion on the case. In that case, the case might not get to trial not to talk of conviction. The possibilities are endless in this case.

larrysworld:
In a case of this magnitude, it is very risky to overcharge. The prosecution seem to be taking the case on the face value based on the heat it has generated in the public hoping it will go into the courts with the same steam. There is a vast difference between a 2nd degree murder and 3rd degree murder even though they are both murder charges. In the 2nd degree murder charge, you have to proof there is an INTENT to kill rather than INDIFFERENCE to human life in the 3rd degree charge.

Now intent is quite difficult to prove as it is not usually a clear cut case and this is the reason some prosecutors stay off 2nd degree murder charge unless there is compelling evidence. If going by what we saw on the video, the best will be a 3rd degree murder charge to ensure the officer does not walk because we can't prove intent he wants to kill, he was simply trying to make an arrest and the unfortunate happened due to his indifference (carelessness) regarding human life. If they go for 2nd degree and are unsuccessful in proving intent, then the officer would walk. Mind you, the juror has to be unanimous in their decision either guilty or not, just one juror disagreeing will lead to mistrial. To bring the case for a 3rd degree murder after having charged a 2nd degree; they would have to declare a mistrial and re-litigate the case all over again.

Now this is my opinion: There is more to this case than we really understand or can see. The two people apparently knew each other and even though George Floyd (RIP) was not a saint, he does not deserve to have his life cut short. I have a feeling that the prosecution might "intentionally" want to bungle this case for reason best known to them (i.e. was this done to intentionally start a race riot in the country). A similar case happened in Baltimore in 2015 and the guy walked because the prosecution could not prove their case.

America is a very litigious society. Don't forget their law is called Criminal Justice System; not Victim justice. It is the criminals that seem to get more justice at the end of the day not their victims.

You don't prove INTENT in second degree murder. There is no right or wrong answer to the charges, once they feel they can prove it. I don't see the prosecution intentionally bungling it because the world and his family lawyers are watching. Getting a conviction is what I am not certain in this case.

fairfora:
I know. This case is different...its an open case of murder.

He didn't resist arrest
He didn't carry arm
He wasn't even spotted presenting the counterfeit bill. He was a suspect spotted around the place when the cops came.
He cried for help till death with proofs as seen worldwide.
He said...I cant breathe yet he held onto his neck...that's murder. The fact that the cops have been fired and charged is enough proof this wont be overlooked as always the case not only in Minnesota but all over USA. I may be wrong but I've never seen protests this outrageous where both whites and black would openly condemn the act, so much that world leaders too reacted. Let's see what happens in the end but I doubt he would go unpunished. The charge has been upgraded to second degree murder already.

The above made the case looked quite different from the previous ones

Remember even Minesotta attorney general said it would be very difficult to get a conviction. Too many dynamics in the case. You are only looking at it from a simplistic perspective, it's deeper than that. I repeat, it takes one juror out of 12 to disagree and the accused will be discharged and acquited.

wirinet:
I know the court says "prove beyond reasonable doubt", watching the video, is there any doubt that George Floyd was not choked for over 8 mins? If you talk about technicalities, you might have a point, but if we are to talk actual evidence, i don't see the ambiguity. Its like shooting a man in the heart on video and in the presence of many witnesses and then claim that its not the gun shot wound that killed him but some other underlying conditions.

You don't expect a defence lawyer to just roll over. He will use all tricks in his box (including technicalities) to acquit his clients. You will be surprised how many water tight case had been watered down by brilliant lawyers in court.

wirinet:
I honestly don't see how this case hangs in the balance. The whole scene is captured on clear video, no ambiguity. Even if there are underlying conditions, the video showed that he died as as result of being chocked. The prosecutor can simply put the police officer under the same conditions he put George floyd and see if he survives. If he survives for 8 minutes handcuffed with his hands at the back, with a knee on this throat and two other people with kneeling on his chest and ribs, then it will prove the choking didn't kill him.

In law, you need to prove beyond reasonable doubt. With the toxicology report, it is tough to argue that the drugs found in his blood was not a factor. You will see a lot of fireworks in court over this. Another dimension is the jury, the prosecution teams are to convince the entire 12 jurors. Then another remote consideration is fair trial . The defence lawyer might argue that based on the sensationalism of the case, there is no one in Minnesota who hasn't formed opinion on the case, so his clients might not have access to fair trial. Remember that jurors will be drawn from Minnesota. As incredible as it may sound, the case might never make it to trial , not to talk of conviction.

fairfora:
we are on same page. All I'm saying is, regardless of the autopsy reports, the underlying fact (murder) can't be ruled out and the judgement would be based on this. Any other reports that could have come outside of this ( doctored or real ) is immaterial. Murder is murder and floyd was hale and hearty as at the time of arrest. The cop showed no pity because when the EMS personnel came, who could have checked his pulse, the cop never took his knees off him( as if he said, I must ensure you die here before I leave you) In a medical profession in which i operate, a surgeon could be jailed if he or she made mistakes in the course of operating on a sick patient. The judge would not say after all, shebi he was sick before and likely to die. Same applies to a doctor who assisted in killing a patient. The cop killed floyd and so, it doesn't matter what the report says, it doesn't matter if he was said to have had criminal record or not( a criminal could repent and still be of good use to the society after serving his nail term or granted parol).

Murder is difficult to.prove, especially against the police. The law favours the police more and that explains why there has been one conviction against the police in the history of Minnesota. This is a criminal case, and intent is so difficult to prove. Don't forget the defence lawyers too are smart and will explore every lacuna in the case. It takes one juror out of 12 to dissent to get acquital. Do not forget that fact.

Smartypant:
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What has your post got to do with what I posted?

I posted about the wide difference in the conclusion of 2 distinct Medical examiners, one for the State and one for the family.
That nothing to do with what you just posted. I know litigation works in the US, especially in situations like this.
My comment really has nothing much to do with his Covid-19 status but more about how come 2 Doctors could come to such a varied conclusion on the same subject matter.
Some Nigerians would say that this can only happen in Nigeria and not in a so called "sane Country.

I understand you but it is not unusual to have differences in opinion in what subject matter experts say during a trial. Each side will want to defend and justify his own. But the jury will believe the medical report of the state more. There is likelihood of bias with the private examiner hired by the family. That differential in opinion doesn't favour the prosecution.

larrysworld:
You are right about Covid being classified as a non factor in his death but the prosecution will not get the maximum sentence for the Policeman. The reason being that upgrading the charge to 2nd degree murder might mean they have over played it. His autopsy showed he had drugs in his system which when coupled with him and the Policeman having known each other will make the case more of a premeditated murder or manslaughter. The racism issue will not be valid once it is proven that they are well known to each other.
I believe there is more to this case and it's not just about spending a fake $20 bill but we shall see.

Upgrading the charge to second degree murder doesn't mean he can't still be convicted for third degree murder. Like you opined, it's a difficult case to get a conviction in court.

fairfora:
It would not work. The heart-related issue autopsy report never worked in the first place. The question is...did Floyd slump during arrest? NO! Did he show any sign of covid-19 by coughing or sneezing even after his neck was pinned down ? NO! Was he being pressed down in the neck despite saying...I can't breeeeaaathe? YES! was he not active as at the time of arrest? YES!

Murder is murder. If you want to kill somebody fast, grab his neck and prevent blood flow to the brain. By the time you release the neck, the person would have gone...and that's why we dont encourage that. Any attempt to grab someone in the neck is an attempted murder...a serious crime.

No amount of fake autopsy report would override the fact that the police officer committed a serious crime. A police officer is meant to save lives, even the lives of a criminal so he could live to serve his/her punishment. When the accused is handcuffed, he/she has been overpowered. Let him run like Usain bolt, he would still be caught. Pinning down his neck after the arrest and handcuff alone is not acceptable because the guy wasn't armed. He never had any criminal records which could have proved he was the one who presented the counterfeit bill. He was merely a suspect found around that place when the cops arrived. He could have sued them for damage if later released. Thank God for this because the smart whites would have used criminal record to set the idiot cop free. I cant wait to see him rot in hail. This would also serve as a deterrent to others because the whites too are protesting against the act of police brutality

I think you missed the point sir. That autopsy report is good for the prosecution. The defence lawyer would want to establish that his underlying medical conditions are partly responsible for his death. With this report , the defence lawyer can't explore that because the report says even though he is asymptomatic, that plays no role in his death.

Bro, it's a tough case that hangs in the balance. You can never know which side the jury will swing.

FarahAideed:
I wish brains had updates , you need one bro ..Na gerrout my comment was for smart people not you sir

I'm sorry, I won't suffer a fool twice. Do have a very horrible day you deserve.

Smartypant:
Ok

Autopsy result from the State is different from the one from the family hired medical examiner. Go figure, someone is lying.

I'm sure that this cannot happen in a "SANE COUNTRY ".

Why are you guys not having enough understanding of what is going on?. The case is already a subject of litigation. There is a need to verify if his death was as a result of any underlying medical conditions , apart from being choked to death. The conclusion was though he was asymptomatic, that DID NOT play any role in his death, which was a good news for the prosecution.

It is never an open and close case, the prosecution needs to build a very solid, sound case, otherwise the case will fall flat in its face. This is a jury trial, you can never know how it will pan out.

FarahAideed:
So apart from using his death to cause riots the still want to use it to further the Scamdemic Covid agenda

How low can you sink? Stare yourself in the mirror and see how horrible you look? If at this stage, you don't know the daily fear confronting people of your own color, simply because of the color of their skins, then you should be truly ashamed.

There is something unique about Messi; he plays football as if he is seeing the field from above and playing on the field at the same time. He sees things that spectators and other players don't see. He is artistic, and turn football pitch to his canvas in an effortless way.

Ronaldo was born of an effort, he is never in the same league with Messi. Like I always say, if Ronaldo wins all the awards, trophies and medals there are, and Messi has none, Ronaldo will still be a distant second.

nzeobi:
Good he visited himself to assess the situation, you now see why he can never be compared to buhari.

Watch news, you won't listen. Who told you he went to assess the place?. He went for photo op. He didn't even enter the place. That's just it. To Trump, everything is reality show. He even ordered peaceful protesters to be forcefully dispersed before he did this comical act.

When last has Trump been in a church. Holding a Bible doesn't mean you are a Christian. Christianity should be a way of life which Trump lacks.

Rilwayne001:
He's most likely going to win. Joe Biden isn't really inspiring.

Joe Biden doesn't need to be talking much for now. He needs to be quiet and allow Trump to self destruct. Just like he (Trump) is doing right now.

mrkings84:
Na u Sabi, me only point out what I saw...
Above, mention one Nigerian leader that's better than Trump

On what basis do you want to evaluate that. I can tell you that even Buhari is better in some areas than Trump, and Trump is also better in some areas.

Not Everytime you hear of the United States you start thinking they are better in ALL areas.

iMinsk:
Yes, the protests are about blacklivesmatter. But they don't know that whites were killed by police more than blacks. But they don't riot.

If blacks do not commit crimes, the police have no reason to touch them.

Those figures are misleading. You have to look at ratio. How many blacks are in the US, how many whites are in the US. Then you will realise that blacks die more if you consider the ratio of killings.

EVILFOREST:
The only UNDEFEATED.
The only Boxer with the name, " UNDEFEATED " but not the GREATEST.

Have you heard of Joe Calzaghe before?. A British boxer and retired undefeated too.

AdaGod1:
the protest have been hijacked by the terrorist democrats
Trump have no choice than to deploy.

You've started seeing many whites in a black protest right?
they're not in any solidarity but they're mostly democrats that have high jacked the protest just to paint Trump bad

You started seeing CNN following the news bumber to bumber recently
another evidence.

the real protesters are at their various homes after passing their message
these ones are bunch of democrats terrorists capitalizing on the crises just to paint Trump bad.

Trump have no choice than to read the riot act.

Just like APC, democrats are evil and play politics of blood




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See them, bunch of useless hypocrites swimming in their own tears on my mention
Same people will hail Buhari if he opens fire on armless peaceful match
how many times have terrorist buhari opened fire on armless peaceful protest and killed many
Did you said anything regarding that?
now Trump want to deploy guards on a high jacked protest that has turned violence and you bunch of hypocrites are crying.
cry cry babies
Trump is the best president in the world ever
deal with the truth

I feel sorry for your crass ignorance. Everything you wrote here was littered with assumption. Did you interview those whites to confirm they were all Democrats?. So, CNN shouldn't be on the news like the other news outlets?.

Blacks are being killed in the US recklessly and you still have the gut to support Trump who cares less about them. And you are a black man. Shame. This angry expression on the street you are seeing has been piled up over the years, it takes a sensible president to give a speech and calm the situation. But you and your Trump seriously lack that sense.

uniqueboi1:
The idiots calling for schools to be reopened need factory reset slaps. Nigerians are only about making money. They don't care if the country is on fire. Useless teachers.

You call teachers useless but secretly glorify your pastors and imams. Teachers that taught you how to read and write. You deserve the hottest part of hell

SeverusSnape:
Praise the Lord, Allahu Akbar.

Let the cashing out begin!

First Sunday service shall be 'hotter' than Cross over night.

FG succumbs to pressure from religious leaders but still keep interstate transport shut , an effort that would have stimulated the economy. How had churches and mosques helped the nation during this crisis, even God didn't reckon with them by not showing them that coronavirus would be upon us in January 2020. They were seeing prosperity , fire etc. Smh

Every desperate attempt to justify money handed over to Lagos state by the FG is welcome. If you know, you really know.

acetylcholine:
Is it from their pocket you expect them to cough out money for ground breaking research? For those that have written proposals for grant in order to bring out meaningful findings to bring an end to COVID, has the government or any appropriate quarters read or considered their proposals let alone funding? The government is waiting for the whites to develop vaccines & drugs, so let us all wait instead of blaming them.

The kind of laboratories I have seen in federal universitues is not one ground breaking researches can come from. Let the government fund the university system and see whether research will not thrive!

Excuses. All the grants that they have collected in the past, of what use?. We all know majority of them use grant to enrich themselves, and sleeping with students. Most of them got their professorship through "man-no-man". Even the so-called research papers are mostly given out as projects to their students while they claim to author them. We all know how they roll.

kingi777:
The IPPIS doesn't have any package for payment of allowances to lecturers. Therefore, It's only the basic salaries they now earn. So how does federal government expect them to call off the strike and diligently work when they are forcefully enrolled into IPPIS and striping them of some allowances that make their salaries tangible.


BEFORE YOU CRITICISE THE LECTURERS TAKE A LOOK AT THIS;

Take home salary for lecturers after IPPIS deduction without allowances:
PhD LII is #130,000
PhD LI is #163,000 plus min. 3 years post PhD
Senior Lecturer #235,000 plus min. 6years post PhD
Professor ��‍� #345,000 plus min. 10 years post PhD
Senior Professor ��‍� #423,000....
Minimum of 3years gap with hard work. Many spend as high as 5years before they can move up the ladder of promotions.

REMEMBER
From these peanuts of a pay;
They teach a crowd for a class
They supervise multitudes
They attend conferences from their pockets
They attend seminars from this peanuts
They write and publish articles in reputable journals (enquire the cost of publishing).....etc
They undergo rigorous stress to carry out research.
They spend minimum of 4 years in BSc
They spend minimum of 2 years in MSc
They spend minimum of 3 years in PhD (in Nigeria is near impossible they even spend upto 5 years and above).

Consider their rigours, the pain, the emotional trauma, physical drain, brain drain, intellectual drain they go through just to be qualified for their job specification...

I think our Lecturers work like elephants and earn like ants, they deserve a better pay or renumeration.

In terms of welfare:
You know that 50% of your lecturers don't have good offices/furnitures.
Most lecturers lack good working environment.
Most lecturers handle/teach a crowd of students yet they still try to deliver lectures in such environment (instead of the normal 30-50 students class size).
Most Lecturers supervise projects at their expense.
You want his best yet you deny him the best.

When you compare this salary with those of other Federal Govt agencies it's very very ridiculous.
If you compare it with Universities abroad then Nigeria �� salary scale for lecturers is infinitesimally small.

Before you criticise them;
First put yourself in their shoes.
Could you have studied to PhD just to earn #130,000?
Could you have invested the better part of your life upto Prof just to earn #345,000?
Think! They may not have been the best they should yet they are among the best in the world especially if they are giving the right environment to practice.

Before you criticise ASUU/Lecturers think.
Except you are happy with the state of the university system.

NO COUNTRY CAN GROW BEYOND IT'S VALUE FOR EDUCATION.

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I beg to differ to your lengthy piece. If IPPIS doesn't capture the allowances or any details, ASUU should tell the FG, and the software will be worked on to capture those requirements.

Attempt to whip up sentiments by telling us what lecturers earn won't work; that should be a separate issue that ASUU should address with the FG, it doesn't justify not enrolling to IPPIS. Your piece did not factor in tax that lecturers have shortchanged the State govt overtime. Will the lecturers accept to pay these money back or the FG will still have to pay on their behalf?

In another news, what has been the major impact of these universities in the fight against covid-19? Any notable research??

Buhari shouldn't indulge these professional mediocres. Looting our Commonwealth by lying to the presidency. Sad, very sad.

Even Noah knew when the flooding was coming to destroy the earth. Lol. No one saw Coronavirus coming?. Lol again.

Elizersalifu:
Amazing!!!
The Almighty God doesn't need to kill anyone to prove He is the Almighty. John 3v16.

The will of God is for all men to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth...1Tim 2v3-4

We know who steals, kills and destroys. Jesus revealed him to us....the devil...John 10v10

The lack of sound doctrine in the Church today has robbed many Believers of their saintly dignity in Christ..

One thing I know for a fact is there's an ongoing shift in the body of Christ and Believers are becoming aware of the truth for themselves by the help of the Holy spirit concerning Jesus Christ...Dan 12v4

Believers, please stay with Christ in and out of Season.

Unbelievers, please receive Jesus Christ today and place faith in his finished works and enter into His rest with the assurance of eternal life. John 3v16.

I don't know how to thank you but God in His infinite mercies will bless u. Most pastors, in a bid to explain their actions or inactions during covid-19, they end up twisting the words of God.