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sleek29:
@abuzola, you have a [b]mind,soul and a spirit [/b]making you 3 in one

Nezan:
One body=abuzola
abuzola's heart is in his body
the heart functions independently but is still within abuzola's body and is necessary for his existence
That is the mystery of the Trinity,,,,,,,the Father, Son and Spirit both in the same God-head but performing different duties and co-existing as one.

In both the Qur'an and the Bible, God says He should not be compared with human. But you. . . Funny.

You guys had me laughing: I just give you some simple five question to answer but none of you can--at least have a try? For nearly 20 hours! And you claim holding "fact". Shame, shame, shame.

BTW, if you are defeated and afraid to recant your earlier blatant proclamation of the existence of "Satanic" verses, I then hope other fair-minded readers could and would detect that. Glory be to the Lord of the universe.

May Allah, the Exalted, guide us to the right path, amen.

Questions for you, folks, for I am grudgingly leaving:


1. Have you read "Satanic Verses"--the novel and the alleged verses as well as their content?

2. If so, can you tell me where did Salman Rushdie say that his book, which he claims to be a work of fiction, a novel, was an intepretation of the beliefs of Muhammad (SAW)? Or where the content make things with the verses?

3. Why do you insist that Rushdie's book is an interpretation of Muhammad's (SAW) beliefs - a claim that not even Rushdie makes. Or in the Qur'an?

4. If I wrote a FICTIONAL story book about a guy having a perverted dreams and weaved bits of Jesus' (peace be upon him) life into it and portrayed him to be a sick pedophile - would you believe it to be to be an accurate description of Christ's beliefs, especially as I am not a Christian?

5. Who would you say was more accurate about Muhammad's beliefs - the Quran written 1400 years ago or Salman Rushdie? Or some untrusted scholars? Or the one who made it clear he wrote down what he heard faithfully?

I'm just trying to find out where you're coming from.

Until I came back. Thanks

Nezan:
Go to any mosque in Iran and call Khomeini a stupid man. You know what your fellow muslims there will do to you.

LOL Thats fascinating.

Couldn't you reason? Khomeini, a stupid, what of the rest?

Nezan:
Even bukhari referred to mohammed's bewitching by the devil, need we search more? dont you believe in al-Tabari and bin-sa'd's hadeeths? dont you read them?

Let's briefly judge something: Bukhari, a compiler of ahadeeth. BUT in your "holy book" Jesus is reported as been tempted by Satan.

Compare the two sources: hadeeth and that "holy book".

Nezan:
Yes, I am a non-entity as far as islam is concerned, that is why i rely on al-Tabari and bin-Sa'd's hadeeths for the satanic verses saga, or have you written your hadeeths so I could refer to them?

Refer to At-Tabari's words fairly enough. He faithfully distant himself from such a crap/accusations.

Nezan:
What of it MOST of the followers are guilty and their holybooks support the practices?

The reverse should be the case.

BTW, don't think I am succumbed/gullible.

Nezan:
An older muslim in the mould of Ayatollah Khomeini declared a fatwa on Salman Rushdie for giving his fictional novel this title. He believed the satanic verses existed and did not want them exposed.

Khomeini is just a stupid man. I don't even regard him as a Muslim. That dealt.

Nezan:
Renowned Islamic scholars (al-Tabari and bin-Sa'd) wrote about them in their hadeeths.

And myriads other reliable, trusted, eminent, learned scholars made it clear these people are not fully trusted.

More-over, go back and re-read At-Tabari's disclaimer under his statement. Don't be that unfair?!

Nezan:
How come a youger muslim like you, who is a nobody as far as islam is concerned argue about them?

And who are you? If I am nobody, then you are nonentity. LOL

Nezan:
Are you more muslim than them?

Nope.

sleek29:
@muhsin, that clearly tells us that he was once possessed by the devil which disqualifies him as one from God, how can someone who's supposed to be a prophet of God be bewitched, hence the devil did the same thing to him, hence we have the satanic verses, and its easy for me to think that he was possessed to have said that Jesus didn't die on the cross, the quran is full of satanic verses.

Open a new thread on that. Mute.

Nezan:
why were you scared of him?

The way he takes blaspheming my religion as a forte.

And the way I then felt I couldn't depend it.

mukina2:
fear david kei


Muhsin u nor try jo

I say to be sincere and frank to my humble self.

But that was then and this is now.

I have had already defeated the dude. Looking for a second episode to re-do it, inshaAllah.

To be sincere I was before. I've been here for more than 3 good years, but never have I been active until some months ago. Learned a lot now, bud.

[size=15pt]Religion should not be judged by the practice of some of its followers.[/size]

Assalamu alaikum,

[center][b]Narrated Abu Huraira (Radi-Allahu 'anhum):

[center]Allah's Apostle (Sallallahu 'Alaihi Wa Sallam) said, "Whoever gives two
kinds (of things or property) in charity for Allah's Cause, will be called
from the gates of Paradise and will be addressed, 'O slaves of Allah! Here
is prosperity.' So, whoever was amongst the people who used to offer their
prayers, will be called from the gate of the prayer; and whoever was
amongst the people who used to participate in Jihad, will be called from
the gate of Jihad; and whoever was amongst those who used to observe fasts,
will be called from the gate of Ar-Raiyan; whoever was amongst those who
used to give in charity, will be called from the gate of charity." Abu Bakr
said, "Let my parents be sacrificed for you, O Allah's Apostle! No distress
or need will befall him who will be called from those gates. Will there be
any one who will be called from all these gates?" The Prophet (Sallallahu
'Alaihi Wa Sallam) replied, "Yes, and I hope you will be one of them."[/center]

Bukhari Vol. 3 : No. 121[/b][/center]

Nezan:

You abuse the young man and told him not to be annoyed? I wonder how the mind of a muslim think

My words are not meant to be abusive, Nezan. Re-read my post with fair mind. Thanks

lanre2u:
@muhsin, am sure this must be the kind of up bringing u have, calling people name, my question of post has nothing to do with my backgroung, now i see that this kind of attitude runs in your family, the question is What People think they know about Islam, not what u think about my family, dummy.

Am not preaching Islam, am only asking question and to be truthful, people don't know anything cos, if u know, non of u will be talking badly like u've been doing, may Allah guide us to the right path, amin

Wasn't talking to you, man. But Sleek29. Understood?

@Sleek29,

That one is a different case. For now lets stick to "Satanic Verses", please.

Moreover, you can start a fresh thread. Will engage you there, inshaAllah. Thanks

Sir Olabowale might not know the real fact. He's a human being just like anyone.

Now ask me and I'll, inshaAllah, prove it wrong.

Go on. . .

davidylan:
this lie is still being told with a straight face?

You no longer scare me, dude. I am now use to such crap from you.

You can say that again.

Nezan:
@muhsin;
If I copy an article I like and post it here, what crime have I committed? You mean you never copy an article written by another person? Even in the ivory towers, doing research and refering to what another person wrote is never counted a crime.

I say you should have given its link. Simple. Period.

BTW, lets go on with our discussion. Pls do not derail the thread as you tacitly started.

Thanks

And I repeat: there have never been anything like Satanic Verses in the Qur'an.

And regarding that guy Salman Rushdie, he is as an illiterate Western sponsored writer on Islam. He only became famous because of the stupidity of Khomeni.

And we can reason it now again--although just got some minutes to leave. But I hope we can reach conclusion.

Thanks

I really would love to attend this occasion. But the venue. . .Lagos!

Nezan:
@Muhsin;

While Muhammad was in Mecca, his followers were few, his movement grew painfully slowly and he, too, felt the pain of estrangement from his tribe. According to early and treasured biographical and historical accounts of Muhammad, authored by competent Muslim scholars (such as writings of at-Tabari and Ibn Sa’d), Muhammad longed for better relations and reconciliation with his community. Thereafter, the accounts continue, God revealed Surah 53 to Muhammad up to and including vss. 19, 20. These two verses read:

Have ye thought upon al-Lat and al-Uzza
And Manat, the third, the other? (53:19,20)

Then, originally, the verses (known today as the satanic verses) followed:

These are the exalted cranes (intermediaries)
Whose intercession is to be hoped for.

The cranes whose intercession was recognized were, of course, the three deities. The same accounts tell us that after this revelation was completed, Muhammad, his followers and the pagan Arabs all prostrated. Tensions eased, reconciliation was at hand, and all were delighted.

But Muhammad soon retracted the reconciliation—how soon is not clear. For the account continues that Jibril (Gabriel), the angel of revelation, informed Muhammad that Satan had used Muhammad's desire for reconciliation with the pagan leaders to insert into the revelation of God the verses about the interceding cranes, otherwise called "the satanic verses". The verses which follow, not the satanic verses, serve as the proper sequence to 53:19,20 (above):

Are yours the males and His the females?
That indeed were an unfair division! (53:21,22)

In other words: When you Arabs have sons (whom you prefer to daughters!), how unfair of you to say that God has daughters! The idea of a plurality of gods or goddesses or sons or daughters of God is ridiculous. God alone is God. The three goddesses are false.

Two other passages from the Qur'an are considered to have reference to the compromise between Muhammad and the Arabs, and Muhammad's eventual rejection of it. The first reads:

And they indeed strove to beguile thee (Muhammad) away from that wherewith We (God) have inspired thee, that thou shouldst invent other than it against Us; and then would they have accepted thee as a friend.
And if We had not made thee wholly firm thou mightest almost have inclined unto them a little.
Then had We made thee taste a double (punishment) of living and a double (punishment) of dying, then hadst thou found no helper against Us. (17:73-75)

The second passage is intended to comfort Muhammad:

Never sent We a messenger or a prophet before thee but when He recited (the message) Satan proposed (opposition) in respect of that which he recited thereof. But Allah abolisheth that which Satan proposeth. Then Allah establisheth His revelations. Allah is Knower, Wise;
That He may make that which the devil proposeth a temptation for those in whose hearts is a disease, and those whose hearts are hardened –Lo! the evil-doers are in open schism. (22:52,53)

On the basis of these verses especially, the contemporary designation "The Satanic Verses" arises.

You should have written the link where you get that crap, Nezan.

I am afraid you maybe charged with plagiarism, which I won't like it.

LOL

Here it is: http://www.answering-islam.org/Hahn/satanicverses.htm

Just wanna know.

mukina2:
I'll be there.

Serious?

You can say that again.

[quote author=Tudór link=topic=312905.msg4418335#msg4418335 date=1251200904]They aired their criticisms reasonably by countering what dan brown said with the TRUTH no violence or threats.
Why go to the extent of ordering for the death of salman rushdie?
Like I said, it smirks of a cover-up to hide the truth. . . .so yes, the satanic verses do exist!
You got that right. . .Atheists are mad for the TRUTH!
We stand against savage and barbaric delusions spread by islam and the rest.
And oh, the satanic verses are TRUE. [/quote]Prove them. Simple.

@Nezan,

Are you that funny? O my God!

sleek29:
i was born into islam, and from my observations i clearly see that it doesn't offer salvation and can not lead man to heaven, think of a world without islam, you'll find a world without suicide bombers and violence, muslims who ruled nigeria put us in the mess we find ourselves now, they are the most corrupt individuals, just look around and you'll find out that the richest rules around the world are islamic rulers.

By their fruits you shall know them, abacha, babangida destroyed nigeria, islam has made the middle east the most unsafe place in the world.

But even your parent know/knew very little or nothing about the religion, I presume.

And you could be a bad sheep.

Pls don't be affronted.

Abuzola:
In Arabic, we have balaga which goes with nahwu. Ilah means God but since it is the first and is a noun i.e ismu in arabic it must have Alif wal lam, i don't expect you to understand d since you don't know arabic. Let me break it down for you.

School means madrasa and if it is starting as a sentence or phrase it is AL MADRASA. Likewise Al kubzu and Khuzu' Al bintu and bintu. Bintu means a girl. AL BINTU and Bintu, A boy means waladu, AL WALADU AND WALADU. My bqothers and sisters who attended arabic school know this.

How can't they ever understand? Especially their exponent, i.e. davidylan!

Hmm. Even Wikipedia writes that Allah is just an Arabic word for God. Is wikipedia owned by Muslims? LOL

Assalamu alaikum,


336. Abu Bakrah Nufai` bin Al-Harith (May Allah be pleased with him) reported: Messenger of Allah (PBUH) said, "Shall I not inform you of the biggest of the major sins?'' Messenger of Allah (PBUH) asked this question thrice. We said, "Yes, O Messenger of Allah. (Please inform us.)". He said, "Ascribing partners to Allah, and to be undutiful to your parents". Messenger of Allah (PBUH) sat up from his reclining position and said, "And I warn you against giving forged statement and a false testimony; I warn you against giving forged statement and a false testimony". Messenger of Allah (PBUH) kept on repeating that warning till we wished he would stop.

[Al-Bukhari and Muslim].

[quote author=Tudór link=topic=312905.msg4418175#msg4418175 date=1251199288]You're such an embarrassing joke!
First you declared that NO religion tolerates blasphemy I brought out instances to expose your shameless two-faced lie then you divert to "they have different code of conduct"- what the hell is that?[/quote]I still repeat it: no religion accept blasphemy. If is there (or Christianity, as you gave example) why the uproar after Dan Brown's novel? Why and why? No smoke without fire.

[quote author=Tudór link=topic=312905.msg4418175#msg4418175 date=1251199288]From what we have seen in salman rushdie's case and in the muslim world in general it's quite clear the "code of conduct" of islam is to kill, murder, rape, behead and amputate. Also most religions attribute the aforementioned code as the forte of the evil one/ dark one/satan/devil/Esu/Ekwensu. . . . We do not need any satanic verse to show that Allah = Satan. QED[/quote]Well. . .thats your forte I realized. Calling names, using swearing words and the likes. Keep it up.

You atheist are nothing other than mad people. And everybody knows that fact.

No Satanic Verses in the Qur'an, I repeat.

Assalamu alaikum,

Sir Olabowale, Ramadhan Kareem.