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MacCantStopMe:
Hell is the one thing Christians cannot agree on. That you have a clear explanation for hell and the parts of hell show how deluded you are. Only a madman has certainty on an ambitious issue.

MacCantStopMe:
Just even read a wiki on it and see that different denominations have different explanations on it.

MacCantStopMe:
And you wonder why atheism is growing on Nairaland.

donnie:
Wow

donnie:
Do you mean this:
Genesis 14:22
"And Abram said to the king of Sodom, I have lift up mine hand unto the LORD, the most high God, the possessor of heaven and earth,

donnie:
I don't think this is a correction, however subtle. This was a spiritual encounter, different people could address YAH differently, based on their revelation of Him. Hence, they'd all be correct in a sense.

donnie:
I'd go with the bolded, even though we can only know of the man of what was written about him. That much wasn't written about him, doesn't necessarily mean he knew YAH less.

donnie:
Truth! The Spirit of Truth...
But the Spirit always testifies of the written Word.

"And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better."
- Hebrews 7:7

donnie:
It is self explanatory.

donnie:
Hebrews 11:5
By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death;
and was not found, because God had translated him:
for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

MacCantStopMe:
You are as brainwashed as they come.

MacCantStopMe:
Any fool can quote the bible.

MacCantStopMe:
This Gehenna vs Sheol crap you are preaching is nothing more than a reinterpretation of myths and legends.

MacCantStopMe:
The bible is not clear about hell. Between hades, Gehenna and Sheol, the bible does not disambiguate between the three.

MacCantStopMe:
Hell is a subject that 10 different Christians will tell you te different descriptions.

MacCantStopMe:
Sheol?
What of Gehenna?

MuttleyLaff:
Hell or better put, Hades, actually is a Greek concept, the Jews have no concept of Hell or Hades
they have sheol, alright but the concept of Hell or Hades, is a Greek one.

Sheol is more of a proper and real biblical Israelite concept of where the dead are ''interned''

Sheol in an oversimplified or elementary manner can be grave or has been referred as grave

Grave/tomb/sepulchre sites are merely places of deposit for a corpse. Sheol is the realm of the dead or departed souls
- Souls do not linger in the air. Souls do not stay in limbo. Souls do not hang about. Souls do not make revisits

Until Jesus in the NT, Sheol in general, without necessarily distinguishing between righteous or unrighteous souls, has been the realm of the dead or abode of the dead

We have verses in OT (e.g. Psalm 9:17 etcetera) suggesting that the wicked go to Sheol but it was Jesus in the NT that brought things into perspective when He shared the hyperbolic illustration of Sheol with the story of the Rich Man being elsewhere and Abraham with the Poor Man being on a different side. Remember that, just like because you're telling a joke, it doesnt necessarily mean, the joke is devoid of some element of truth and reality so is the case with the parable of the rich man and poor man.

Sheol (i.e. the original Hebrew concept of afterlife) now has gray lines shared with Gehenna (i.e. the refuse dump in Jerusalem hyperbolically referred to by Jesus in Matthew 5:29 Matthew 18:9 and Mark 9:47) and Hell (i.e. a Greek mythology and Greek concept of afterlife) which arent really understood. The etymology of afterlife from a Jewish concept (i.e. Sheol, with 2 sections) has changed over time and Sheol, since, has being interchangeably replaced with Gehenna and Hell/Hades

Reiterating, hell which has become synonymous with Hades, is neither Hebrew or Greek in origin

Sheol is, what you'll find in the original Hebrew text for any word for Hell. In other places, Hades or Hell was the Greek substitution for the part of Sheol where the Rich man is from the Parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus

As a matter of fact, Hell, actually finds it roots in the classic Greek mythology, Hades, where Hades interestingly and actually, was the ancient Greek god of the underworld. This god's name (i.e. Hades) later turned to mean the place or abode of the dead, which actually is exactly what Sheol is, what is signifies or represents.

Talking of Gehenna, well, it is a valley, a valley in Jerusalem, used as a dumping refuse site and so was used by Jesus to depict the Lake of fire (i.e. it is a place of destruction, as in, via incineration, a place for destroying things)

As earlier mentioned, Gehenna was the incinerating refuse dump in Jerusalem. Hades however, historically and originally is the name of a Greek god until it got turned to meaning the place or abode of the dead. It later got interchanged with hell, which is from a German word root. It was bible translators who were substituing the original Hebrew word Sheol (i.e. the part where the dead of the Rich man sort are), with Greek counterparts Hades/Hell that made hell stick with us today

Death, is not a physical person but it will cease to exist because it will be destroyed when figuratively thrown into a physical lake of fire

MuttleyLaff:
"Then he will say also to those who are at his left,
'Depart from me, you cursed ones, into eternal fire, that which was prepared for The Devil and for his Angels."
- Matthew 25:41

"And if your hand should cause you to stumble, cut it off;
it is better for you to enter into life crippled,
than having two hands to go away into Gehenna, into the unquenchable fire."
- Mark 9:43

"But I will show you whom you should fear:
Fear the One who has authority, after the killing, to cast into Gehenna.
Yes, I say to you, fear Him."
- Luke 12:5

The eternal fire, which some take as meaning hell, was not originally created for man, which explains why it's existence is not mentioned in any of the creation six days, but obviously it was created sometime after the Devil and his angels' rebellion and before the rebellion of Adam and Eve.

If you know, you know. Who no know, no go know

Hell not really a Jewish/Hebraic concept, but its more of a Greek mythology concept, and it is like a dumpster, landfill site and/or refuse tip site. Hell, has the sense of Gehenna, the garbage dump site for the biblical city of Jerusalem, where fires burned continually to destroy the garbage, abandoned and disused stuff.

Hell, in that light, is in fact, a destination place of the evil and/or morally wrong, like quick money making practice ritualist(s) etcetera for an example.

MacCantStopMe:
Nonsense. Be preaching Jewish fairytales like the mental slave you are. Brainwashed and chained to the bible.

MacCantStopMe:
White man's religion.

MacCantStopMe:
As for true religion, I do not know the answer. It is for religious people decide. It is not my problem.

OLAADEGBU:
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MuttleyLaff:
... There is no doubt, that Aunty Coro soon after having her fill will pack her bags and leave. COVID-19 will soon blow over, and we will have survived it. We will survive it and without any scathe, mainly because of claiming the promises in Psalms 91:5-16

Now, here's the deal. Aunty coro is another the sort of hardest kind of teachers, that gives you the test first and then the lesson afterwards, lol. Now here are few itemised list of lessons to learn, lol:

Lesson #3/
There really isnt anything sacrosanct in the cathedrals, in the megabowl church physical buildings, the amphitheatres, in Pastor Adeboye RCCG's planned 3-km auditorium, in Deeper Life Bible Church HQ valued at over N5 billion, nothing in arguably one of the world's biggest auditorium Pastor Oyedepo's Faith Theatre Winners Chapel, nothing in Pastor Paul Eneche's the Dunamis' Glory Dome 100,000 seater capacity auditorium in Abuja, that beats every over church auditoriums and buildings in the world, the etcetera lol.

Anyone who does, simply has missed the lesson to learn from Aunty Coro and/or the bigger picture of Aunty Coro, which is the hour is coming, actually, the hour, is now, the time is now here, lol, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, lol. There really isnt anything sacrosanct in them cement, concrete brick and mortal, lol. Look at Friday and this is talking of having Jumu’ah prayers with in some cases, of men crowded together and spilling on to the streets, like as weekly seen in Lagos and similar places, lol, blocking traffic etcetera. Aunty Coro's physical and spiritual lesson is that, worship the Father, in spirit and truth, lol, that dont you know you're the temple ni, lol (i.e. John 4:23-24, 1 Corinthians 3:16 and 1 Corinthians 6:19a)

LordReed:
When a child wears his father's agenda and shoes he begins to think his blokus is as big as his father's own, until the elders show him the difference between stream and ocean.

OtemAtum:
Yes o, nairaland is a place where pastors like Mutteylaff and Afas like Iamgenius argue with a Brain-user like Otem and an atheist like CAPSLOCKED(May his wonderful name be typed in CAPSLOCK

donnie:
That's a whole new discussion my friend because he did know the most High well. That TMH didn't cut a covenant with him doesn't mean they didn't have lively relationship. Each with his own revelation, calling and assignment.

donnie:
You'll find many hidden truths in the apochrypha books which they removed. Christianity hides a lot of truth. Don't forget Melchizedek blessed Abraham. The lesser is blessed of the greater.

donnie:
... Christianity hides a lot of truth.

donnie:
Don't forget Melchizedek blessed Abraham. The lesser is blessed of the greater.

donnie:
Yes na
Or didn't he?

MuttleyLaff:
You tell me now, lol.
Explain please how you mean "Chanok ... he was taken up into the heavens and did not see death"

PS: About that "alien" visitation you said you heard. I was going to reply you, and tell you about it and more, lol but have my response to it, sitting here left unfinished, lol

donnie:
Study my friend, and study correctly to show yourself approved.

donnie:
You cannot read only the English bible translated from Bantu (Hebrew) language and hope to understand clearly.

The name CHANOK (Bantu/Hebrew) was translated to Enoch (English). Check the Hebrew lexicon. The same thing was done to many other bible names.

donnie:
Many Africans knew and worshipped the one true ELOHIYM and creator.
Christianity and Islam are none of my business.

MuttleyLaff:
Melchizedek was a ruler cum priest of the Most High God, but didn't know God same way Abraham did or have the same kind of relationship Abraham had with God. This is evidenced on how Abraham corrected Melchizedek after he misaddressed God

donnie:
Yes na
Or didn't he?

donnie:
So for you, the whole idea is to Praise the greatness of ancestors, throw away the Most High and His commandments and pick up the gods of wood and stone right? You serve the creature rather than the creator. Some of us have experienced his power. It is beyond useless history and theorising.

I hope you know Chanok (Enoch) lived thousands of years before there was anything like Kamata (Egypt). The name Chanok is from my Mum's village. It means Goodness, and that's the same meaning in modern Hebrew language. One of the greatest men to ever walk this earth.

Chanok knew the Most High YAH and kept His commandments. He walked so perfectly with YAH that he was taken up into the heavens and did not see death.

This is the type of person who's steps I will like to follow, not someone trying to reduce The Most High to a mere concept or idea. May YAH have mercy on you for such foolish pride.

desong:
were is the garden of Eden located, or is it some kind of Utopia?

MacCantStopMe:
Death is a natural process. It dint come from anywhere. It is in our dna- cells must die.

Anas09:
Oh dear. I never knew that was Logicboy. Wow, the guy is deteriorating.
Whata hell?

MuttleyLaff:
Welcome to the world of Jack Bizzle, aka Logicboy, aka a thousand other AWOL monikers

OriginalZombiE:
Can't wait for that manna zombie to type:
"our darling daddy (President Covik 1, 9) is the right man for the job!"

Good luck to West Africa

MacCantStopMe:
Go back and fully answer the questions that I asked.

If you want to be dishonest, kindly dont quote me. Cheers

Anas09:
So, why do we die? Where did death come from?

It's excruciatingly painful trying to have a conversation with you.

Ishilove:
That's our old 'friend' Logicboy you're conversing with.

MuttleyLaff:
Adakintroy2, my guy, it seems you dont know MacCantStopMe aka LogicBoy from back in the day. The guy will argue with himself, even if its only him in a room. I dont mind him having his arguments, but when he does argue blindly, that's when it becomes cringy

MacCantStopMe:
Weren't people already with the lord in heaven according to some bible verses?

. non-catholics now believe in purgatory? Where are the dead resting if they havent been judged yet?


Guy, you are just contradicting your religion up and down.

MacCantStopMe:
If there is a lake of fire, all your ancestors are there burning. All your ancestors who rejected the religion of the white colonizer. Those who stood proud of their heritage.

Religion, especially christianity is a joke

MacCantStopMe:
There is no heaven or hell

Adakintroy2:
Enlightenment is killing God- neistzche

daifeanyi68844:
Good day everyone

I have been going out with my girlfriend for 2 years and she has being really good, understanding and loyal.
I love her so much. The only problem I have with her is she never apologizes until I do so even when she's wrong .

She says it doesn't matter who apologizes first but she has never apologized first.
It really hurts me when she does something wrong and I have to be the one to apologize to her first before she does.
She's the only woman I have ever dated, and I'm so attached to her.

How do I handle this please. I need your sincere advice..

EVILFOREST:
YOUR STATEMENT has a TAUTOLOGY.
..... a LADY that is said to be LOYAL yet never APOLOGIZES....
so what's the Loyalty all about..?
Where did she keep the Loyalty if she can't apologize..?
If she never Apologizes, then she can't be LOYAL.
Na Only you know wetin you still dey do with such girl.

IF na me, na MIDNIGHT I dey take dump this Type. Except you never tire to KNACK shaaa

geoworldedu:
How different are you from Isaiah? You can also write I MutteyLaff use heaven as my doormat and the earth is my parlour and some stupid people will still believe you

abiolamitodun:
lol... alright

abiolamitodun:
looking thumbs up...
what's don Juan?