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FOLYKAZE:
Seriously, I knew you will bring Sango or whatever into the discussion. But sorry to burst your bubble faster than expected dear.

1. Sango stories in Ifa are all traditional stories. Ifa/Orunmila are known as Erigi alo (tale teller).

2. Not a single Babalawo ever claimed that there is a figure who breathe fire in Oyo kingdom. They all agreed the account are metaphor or allegory used to convey messages.

3. There existed a Man called Sango in Oyo Kingdom. There is a documented fact the person existed but he doesn't breathe fire.

4. As a matter of fact, pataki or narration of Ifa are historical legends defined as a legend constructed in historical figures purposely to convey a message beyond such figure.

You see?

How is this different from Bible and Christianity...

1. The Jesus stories are told as fact and reality even when there is no evidence.

2. Christians like EMILO2STAY are claiming Bible hold historical facts. And the incident of ascension or the zombie invasion happened as reality.

3. Not single account in the bible about Jesus match any documents about incidence. Not a single historian write about ascension or zombie invasion. They are all lies.

Then I begin to wonder how you and your colleague in Christ could hold fast to these accounts as truth when they are infact the opppsite. Doesn't the knowledge that Jesus didn't exist as a person shaken your faith in him? Should your faith be based on fantasy and fiction or reality and fact?

FOLYKAZE:
Oh well, the available records about Jesus, within and outside the bible are all retorted traditional stories. Available historical facts indicate that such personality that flew without wings or propelled engine into the sky does not exist. Bible recorded at the point when this man called Jesus died, there was zombies everywhere. If the account is truth, and witnessed by many people, there would have been records of the zombie incident. So far so food sir, there is no historical fact which point to the existence of the person called Jesus.

FOLYKAZE:
I will appreciate, any historical document, written by eye witness about the person of Jesus. Thanks

FOLYKAZE:
A little historical fact is not enough. It is synonymous to half truth which is falsity. If your faith is half truth dear friend, isn't this same as saying your faith is based on falsehood and hope is vain?

FOLYKAZE:
My questions to my brothers who are Christians, how do you keep faith onto faith knowing that all the narration recorded in the bible have no basis in history? Where exactly is the confidence of hope drawn from knowing that the Bible stories are fables having no substances in history? How can you strongly trust that a Jesus who never exist as accounted would take you to heaven/paradise? What is the basis of your faith; historical fairies or historical facts?
Cc shadeyinka, EMILO2STAY, Maximus69, MuttleyLaff

elated177:
Wow! How you must be filled with rage!

elated177:
Merlin wannabe?

elated177:
Hilarious! YHVH Almighty knows exactly what he has made his servant, elated177, to be. I don't owe you any explanation. That tree thing is even a minuscule of what YHVH can use this his servant to do.

elated177:
Who do you think you are mocking and scoffing? The Mighty One of Jacob?

elated177:
With enough force, the tree can even be uprooted

luvmijeje:
Awaiting your response. Please don't forget to back it up with the scripture.

MuttleyLaff:
You know I thrive on scripture. I travel to many places but I live in scripture, scripture is my home, sweet home. Each one of my responses, 9 times out of 10 are backed by scripture, reveal objective biblical truth(s) and biblical fact(s), this for you luvmijeje, is a feat you cant match and its impossible for you to match

elated177:
The questions those who termed this demonic should have asked:

Why did the people react the way they did?

What kinds of people were they?

What kinds of spirits did they have in them?

Were they good/upright people?

Were they evil/wicked people?

Were they possessed by demons?

Ultimately, were they witches and wizards?

elated177:
Do you suppose you have idea of everything?

elated177:
Rubbish! Utter rubbish!

By their fruits the saints of Yahushua the Messiah shall be known. YHVH Almighty knows those who are his.

Since I am neither here to seek glory for myself nor fleece people, I will ignore you and not condescend to your level by swinging insults.

I have made my points. YHVH Almighty will never allow his light in his saints be quenched.

elated177:
Who is talking about superheroes? Someone is talking about supernatural powers of YHVH Almighty on his saints and you are here talking about superheroes? Who cares what Spiderman is or is not. Spiderman is a mere fiction. Why did you bring Spiderman, Dr Strange and Superman, mere fictions, into this issue? Could it be that, you, in your insecurity - fuelled by pride and arrogance, wanted to reduce the power of YHVH Almighty displayed in such event to a mere childish fiction.

Do not be threatened, I don't do this for money or fame. I neither have a church nor do I ever wish to open one. I have always advised people to focus on doing the will of YHVH Almighty by obeying his Commandments and by so doing, loving their fellow human beings. Many folks, while pursuing dreams and their so-called interpretations, have fallen into the traps and snares of their enemies.

Spiderman, Superman, Dr Strange, etc, are mere fictions and, yes, they are ordinary entertainment.

Who knows how many souls you have misled with your so-called dreams and interpretations.

People like you abound. When you see pure, great and awesome power of YHVH Almighty on and in his servants, you covet it. If you see that you can neither tap/steal it nor manipulate the carrier of such power to your advantage, you try to malign it or destroy the carrier of such power. May you end up destroying or maligning yourself, CharlyG1.

It is a thread like this one that you people actually use to fish out people with real gifts and powers of YHVH Almighty in this world, but who are not yet aware of what their Father in heaven has made them to be and the specific purpose for which he made them the way he did. May YHVH Almighty continue to deliver his servants from you and your cohorts.

You are the snare of the enemy and I will never enter into you.

elated177:
You don't know what you are talking about.
When a servant of YHVH Almighty performs a miraculous act, is from his/her own power?

CharlyG1:

Now you got me laughing �

The more you talk, the more you expose yourself.

Just keep quiet.

elated177:
CharlyG1, we are not done here. Don't think we are. We are out for the truth here. I have asked you some questions which you have carefully dodged. Introducing superman, spiderman, Dr Strange, etc, into the issue will not deter me from declaring the truth.

You said:

Since you have brought up superhuman and stuff into this, would you say that the men of old such as David and some of his warriors, Gideon, Jephtha and the other judges, Samson, etc, were superhumans? If so, were they of the devil?

Why did you bring Superman, Spiderman, Dr Strange, etc, into this discourse. Neither chelseafan99's post nor mine mentioned them?

I have asked you and you have refused to answer. You have instead resorted to rants and rambles. What exactly did Chelseafan99 say on that post that made you term it as demonic? Even if others, including chelseafan99, thought it was demonic, what about you who claim to be knowledgeable in the Word and all?

The issue bordering on what chelseafan99 shared is better discussed on the thread where it was raised. This will make it easy for those who maybe following and prevent the unnecessary to and fro.

elated177:
Every troubled or lost soul needs Yahushua the Messiah. However, you have failed to point out what is demonic in what he stated. How are demonic forces involved in what he shared? How did you know such was not from God? Which God do really worship? What is his name?

What am I going to do with fault? Of what benefit will it be to me? State the Scriptural backing for your claim.

Anyone who has what chelseafan99 has is not demonic. There is nothing to be delivered from. If not, state the Scriptures which support your assertion.

You have not really shared anything here. What could you do or what were you doing? How did it affect others? Who were/are the others?

What kind of power did you weild at that age? At the age of 11, are you really sure of what transpired?

Which people tried to turn you? What really were you doing? What kind of "psychic abilities" did you possess? How did the "sexual spirits" manifest in your life?

Again, you have not really shared anything. Chelseafan99 has explained how people felt/feel around him? How was your interaction with others?

What demons? You mentioned demons because you have ignorantly demonized the situation. Anything contrary to what the Scriptures of YHVH Almighty say must be carefully scrutinized. What you have said has no Scriptural backing. The superhuman thing again! Is there no difference between witchcraft and Power/Spirit of YHVH Almighty? You think you have said something, but you have really said anything

elated177:
Quite patronizing! Speaking arrogantly about what you know zilch about. How did you know whether I had pride in my heart or not? Again, you don't know what you are talking about. What is humility in the sight of YHVH Almighty? You think what the world term humility is what the Creator terms humility?

elated177:
What Chelseafan99 described has nothing to do with the power of Satan. If so, show me the Scriptures to back up your assertion

elated177:
Again, patronizing attitude! I wonder whom you thought you were talking to.

elated177:
Again, you shouldn't have dragged Superman, Spiderman, Dr Strange, etc, into this. That you did shows your ulterior motive.

Are the servants of YHVH Almighty devoid of powers?

elated177:
Hocus pocus!

elated177:
I really wanted to ignore you.

Where was it stated that a tree was uprooted from point A and moved to point B?

elated177:
CharlyG1, Nnamdiosu, etc, could you assist with the interpretation of this?

A man looks at a tree about 100ft away and says in his heart he wants the branches of the tree to move. He raises his hand, sways to left and the branches of the tree sway to the left. He sways to the right and the branches do the same. He stops and brings down his hand and the tree branches stop swaying.

What do you all have to say about this?

CharlyG1:
I'm sorry to say foolishness. I should have said "Beyond foolishness". It's not an insult. It's a prideful spirit that tries to deny God and yet having a form of godliness (2 Timothy 3:5)

CharlyG1:
This young man believes all the diabolical stuff but tends to paint them in a good way like Simon the sorcerer.

Now he talks about Elijah bringing fire down from heaven and Jesus walking on water. Those are signs and wonders actually done by God. God brought the fire down using Elijah because at that time Israel were under the bondage of Jezebel and Ahab.

God sought to return His people back to Him using Elijah, Moses and all the signs and wonders that happened back then.

Jesus is God, and Him walking on water and Peter walking on water was actually a teaching to strengthen the faith of His disciples to make them know that they can do all things if they have faith in Him. The thing about these signs and wonders is the motive behind it. The motive was God's and it was just and good. And it was only permitted by God. Didn't Elijah pray to God before the fire fell? Didn't Peter ask Jesus if he could come to him on the water?

Satan himself performs signs and wonders and many will fall in the last days because of this.

There are some things that should be addressed with a tough hand and not gently, and this is one of those cases.

There is a form of pride seen in his previous posts, feels like he's struggling with something on the inside, and now he tries to unleash all that here and make me the victim. Someone who should humble himself thinks he knows it all.

What a pity.

elated177:
See muttleylaff waltzing in, probing and all. Ludicrous!

elated177:
Go and sit down somewhere and have yourself one glass of chilled Irish rum and freshly baked scotch egg, dude. You know zilch about this issue.

elated177:
Please, quit with the "sir" and false humility. I don't have time for such.

elated177:
This was not a dream, trance or vision. It was not an imagination. This was a real life event featuring the power of YHVH Almighty.

The power of what control? How did Jezebel factor into this. The case of Jezebel, as portrayed in the Scriptures, is clearly different from this issue. Superman stuff? So if Dr Strange or Superman actually existed in real life you would ascribe his power to Satan? Hilarious!

A man who imagines himself doing what Dr Strange or Superman did is messing with the occult? Really! Ludicrous! If occultism had such power to give, many occultists in this world would have acquired or achieved it. Again, if Satan actually had such power, the power to do what Dr Strange or Superman did, many of his servants, especially the numerous witches in this country, would have acquired such power. Besides, I don't even know why you dragged Dr Strange and Superman into this issue.

I doubt if you can actually differentiate between occult spirit and the Spirit of YHVH Almighty.

CharlyG1:
I thought you were just ignorant. Now I see that you're more foolish than I could imagine.
So this power you talk of was given to you by God to make trees move and dance around? Well done sir. You are too powerful. So Dr Strange is not from the occult? You haven't seen the occultic symbologies Dr Strange uses when he invokes those powers? So you think all these superheroe stuff you see on TV is just for entertainment? You don't know they're inspired by the occultic powers behind Hollywood who worship these spirits as gods (superheroes).


I guess you don't believe that the so called "Spiderman" is infact a real demon. You don't know the scriptures nor do you research.

Demons regard themselves as "Superheroes", "Men of renown" even as said in the Bible. And during deliverances, many demons will boast about who they are and what they can do.

Continue moving objects with your mind or hands. I respect you so much because you are so powerful.

Continue with your foolishness until you enter into the depths of the snare of the enemy. Only God can save you.

I have no more advice for you.

And don't stirr any more issues here, and that's a warning!

Chelseafan99:
Ill make a hidden video and post it here, maybe it will best illustrate this phenomenom.

Maximus69:
It's ok Sir, i was saying all that because the guy of course have nothing to say after knowing he has spewed rubbish about Adam and Eve having access to both Heaven and Earth!

Maximus69:
Meanwhile you have your friends who are enjoying fruitless arguments regarding talks talks and talks, my teachers are the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses, whether you agree or not know now that Jesus has appointed them to continue feeding his sheep in this last days, and if you're not learning from them there is no way you can have a spiritual family of peace loving brothers and sisters in the Lord like i do, you'll continue to argue and argue and argue everywhere you go with those you claim are your so called brethren!

Maximus69:
Jesus said you people will be SCATTERED {Luke 11:23} and it's obvious that even when you guys are worshipping under the same roof, you people are not in agreement over so many issues unlike the true Christians (Jehovah's Witnesses) who have humbled themselves under those APPOINTED by the Chief Connerstone himself! Matthew 24:45

shadeyinka:
A butterfly who thinks itself a bird!

elated177:
CharlyG1, Nnamdiosu, etc, could you assist with the interpretation of this?

A man looks at a tree about 100ft away and says in his heart he wants the branches of the tree to move. He raises his hand, sways to left and the branches of the tree sway to the left. He sways to the right and the branches do the same. He stops and brings down his hand and the tree branches stop swaying.

What do you all have to say about this?

nnamdiosu:
Hi.
This is so incomplete.. First we dont know if it'd a dream, trance or vision.
Secondly....we dont know the beginning or ending of the dream.

By itself, we can't know the interpretation unless the holy spirit aids us.
Try retelling it again, and explain every single detail.

Thanks sir

elated177:
Let's say a person saw himself/herself doing so in the dream.

nnamdiosu:
You still need to explain all that transpired before and after that in the dream

Also how did you feel when you woke up? Happy, sad, indifferent?

elated177:
It appears you are having a difficult time grasping the whole thing. Is that the case? If so, you can let it go.

There is nothing more to add to what was described above. Let's suspend this for now.

I have read only a few pages of this thread.
I don't really give too much attention to dreams and their interpretations. Don't get me wrong, not saying that they are not important.

Let me draw your attention to page seventy-five (75) of this thread. The issue you people handled there and how you handled it attracted my attention. I guess I kinda followed the thread where it was raised to this one. I don't actually know if what the young man, I suppose he is a youngman, shared there was about himself or someone else.

What did the youngman say there that made you people classify it as demonic?

Can we revisit the issue, if you don't mind?

CharlyG1, sonofthunder.

elated177:
CharlyG1, Nnamdiosu, sonofthunder, I am still waiting for your responses.

CharlyG1:
A man who imagines or dreams this, is a wizard. Whether he knows it or not. The power of control (witchcraft) whatsoever does not come from God. Whether it's the manipulative control of people (like Jezebel), or using magic on various things and objects. It's not from God. It's the superhuman stuff that belongs to the doctrine of demons i.e Dr Strange, Superman, etc.

And if a man imagines himself constantly trying to be like this "Dr Strange personality", then he is messing with occult spirits and he's in darkness already.

elated177:
I wonder why it took you this long to reply.
What if an individual actually has the ability to do this in real life?

CharlyG1:
I am really sorry I took so long to reply you and some others who contacted me via mails and others that will still send me mails. Maybe it's because I have other things to attend to now and then, and I can't do everything at the same time, after all I'm human.

So to answer your other question, the only people that will be able to do such things are "Witches" and "Wizards" by the use of diabolical powers.

That goes back to my previous answer that such abilities come only from Satan and demons. God don't give powers to control things. He blesses His children with spiritual gifts for the advancement of His kingdom here on earth and He puts His Spirit in His children to help them overcome all the wiles and powers of darkness.

I hope I have answered your question sir.
Thank you.

elated177:
I will get back to this. Let me suspend it for now.

Let's look at the issue involving chelseafan99, I can use his monicker now that he has replied, what did he say in that thread that made you and the other guys classify his experiences as demonic? I have asked the question already. Didn't you see it?

Finallydead:
Sir, my little contribution about your dream is to say not every dream is a parable that requires interpretation. Some dreams are simply a projection or anatomy into your spiritman, and most times your soul.

This is one of the functions of God's Logos light in the believer(Heb4:12). If the believer is sanctified and well severed from his Adamic foundation. Then what you've described here maybe dormant resident power's in your spirit (psychokinesis) which may or may not manifest in your physical universe depending on your maturity in Christlike love and reaching the point of sonship, as well as God's sovereign will for you. Yet in the course of the Logos light inspection of your spirit, it may simply observe this residual ability in the spirit.

This may be the case of your dream, but still depends on the witness in your spirit at the time of the dream to tell you the source of this dream and your discernment to tell you the kind of spirit (whether witchcraft) behind it. Regardless of the case, it is never wisdom to focus on any such things than simple perfecting the love of God and development of holy faith. God bless.

shadeyinka:
If the simple things are messed up by you, what does one expect for things requiring little wisdom and patience?!

Maximus69:
I don't get your perception of what is HOLY or UNHOLY STUFF.

Maximus69:
But one thing that's glaring to one and all is, those who taught me successfully unite people from different countries throughout this planet as one big and happy global family of peace loving worshipers. When the effort and strategies employed by all the powerful intellectuals on earth failed to unite people from all races!

Maximus69:
And as a former soldier who knows the havoc that people having intention to go out for war could cause to any society, i can say they've taught the most HOLY STUFF to have achieved that!

Maximus69:
As for your question i've told you what my teachers taught me, therefore i'm through with you on that.

Maximus69:
If you feel it's wrong, then go use what your teachers taught you to unite people for peace. I think that's the most important task any holy group should bear for now! Isaiah 2:1-4, Micah 4:1-3

Maximus69:
However thanks for giving way for the other guy to respond to the discuss we were having before you intervened!

OLAADEGBU:
Does that mean we should leave them rats in the attic allowing them to be fruitful and multiply?

Maximus69:
So it's your interpretation against the one i heard elsewhere, meaning you have the idea of those who taught you and I have the idea of those who taught me!

Maximus69:
Please allow the other guy to respond to the post, you're just arguing for no reason!

shadeyinka:
Your problem is that you don't read to comprehend when others post. You lump up issues, make up opinions and make those opinions doctrines. You have written so many wrong things I don't believe in just because I ask JWs questions which was to reveal the big loopholes in their doctrines.

shadeyinka:
You spatter about arrogantly without any direction as you feel all should come to learn from you.

shadeyinka:
What led us to this?
I said demons are not falling angels!

shadeyinka:
You say demons are falling angels!
There is no single scripture that clearly and vividly support either position. We can only infer from indirect scriptural references and our experience.

shadeyinka:
You claim angels didn't sleep with daughters of men. This is clearly an error
Gen 6:1-2:
"And it happened, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and when daughters were born to them, the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they [were] good. And they took wives for themselves from all whom they chose."

shadeyinka:
If you claim the sons of God are not angels, who were they?

shadeyinka:
If these were humans, how come they gave birth to exceptional human beings

shadeyinka:
Gen 6:4
"There were giants in the earth in those days. And also after that, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore to them, they were mighty men who [existed] of old, men of renown."
Other translation use the Hebrew word Nephilims for the mighty men or giants

shadeyinka:
Gen 6:4:
"The Nephilim {or giants} were in the land in those days, and also after that, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of man, and they bore [children] to them: the same were the mighty men that were of old, the men of renown."

shadeyinka:
The same phrase "sons of God" were used in the book of Job

Job 1:6: "And a day came when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD. And Satan also came among them."

Job 2:1: "And it happened that a day came when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD. And Satan also came among them to present himself before the LORD."

shadeyinka:
Who are those sons of God who slept with daughters of men?

shadeyinka:
So, you see that you are the one spattering about the field

blueAgent:
Where in the Bible is it written that there will be 2 destinations for the saved?

Maximus69:
(1) @ Matthew 5:3 Jesus said this set will inherit heaven!

@ Matthew 5:5 Jesus said this set will inherit the earth!

Maximus69:
(2)@ Revelations 14:1 said 144,000 will be on mount Zion!

@ Revelations 14:6 said great crowd that is uncountable will be on earth!

Maximus69:
(3)@ John 14:1-4 Jesus promised to carry this set to heaven!

@ John 10:16 Jesus said he had other sheep which are not of the same fold with the first little flock! Like 12:32

Maximus69:
I understand that you people have been taught that all good and bad people will be taken to heaven and hell respectably but that doesn't mean everyone will close their ears to some other religious group saying it's not so!