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shadeyinka:
Show off!?
Did make any such claim?

Mister man, behave and respect yourself. You boastfully displayed unsolicited information about your abilities and/or accomplishments to cast out demons

shadeyinka:
I asked you a question, QED!

You asked an unnecessary question

shadeyinka:
Tantrums don't change anything.

Temper tantrums, however fun they may be to throw, but fortunately, you're not the type I'll waste a temper tantrum on

shadeyinka:
I said those who have done any form of deliverance hold a different view. Then I asked have you been privileged to cast out demons? Your experience will do us good!

and I replied that what will do you better, is to go learn instead about what the distinctions are between celestial beings (i.e. positive LGFs) and fallen angels/demons (i.e. negative LGFs) are

shadeyinka:
We don't wrestle with demons, we cast them out. Demons are spiritual equivalents of disease causing microbes to human beings.

If you have had just one opportunity to cast out demons, you'll understand these. If all you have is theoretically knowledge, I understand. I was once in the same shoes.

Point of correction:
You were the one who said demons are soulless; not me!

shadeyinka:
Every Christian has been given the authority and power to heal and cast out demons in the course of preaching the gospel of Christ.

Have you been privileged to cast out demons?

The above two reproduced quotes of yours, shows your pride in and/or obsession with casting out demons is legendary, lol.

OLAADEGBU:
Don't change the subject. This is about the demon rats infestation in the attic.

The subject wasnt changed, but if you're that obsessed with demon rats infestation in the attic, then you better, go read about what Jesus taught in the parable of the wheat and the tares. Fyi, lol, He taught that, to: "Let both grow together until the harvest..."

OLAADEGBU:
It's actually in the attic.

I guess Deeper Life is a 100% bed of sweet smelling roses.

OLAADEGBU:
What is the truth in her message?

Do the heavy lifting yourself now. Lift up the floorboards, you'll find the truth underneath, or, oh, you want to be spoon fed hmm? Should I tuck you into bed as well tonight and read you bedtime bible stories to sleep

shadeyinka:
I actually appreciate that if you quote me, quote me alone. Don't lump me up with other opinions.

What Peacefullove commented about you isnt an opinion, it is gospel truth. It is a factual statement made by someone who has studied you very well and how you behave.

I quoted Peacefullove alongside you because I used the quote as a reference and to back up my comment with it

shadeyinka:
I didn't intend to boast about anything. There is even nothing to boast about in being able to cast out demons as it is bread for the children of the kingdom. The essence of the question is to find out if you talk from practicals or theory.

If you werent itching that bad to show off and if you really know and/or believe it is bread for the children of the kingdom, then you would have know it wasnt necessary to ask unrelated questions to find out, even when the person asked the question never prior has discussed something private and personal as casting out demons etcetera. You just wanted to thump your chest, blow your trumpet and like a Pharisee honk the horn.

shadeyinka:
Most Christians who have been used to cast out demons see them as having characteristics beneath angels. If you have experience, I need you to declare: we learn everyday

You're deviating from the discussion at hand, besides that, you really dont need me to declare anything to you. Try go learn instead about what the distinctions are between celestial beings (i.e. positive LGFs) and fallen angels/demons (i.e. negative LGFs) are

LordReed2nd:
Bwahahahahaha! My subconscious did not reveal anything but that I am occasionally negligent in my compositions. I make mistakes is not a cause for you to claim some sort of revelation.

What a lovely sentiment I am sure all them Yahoo boys and 419ers would appreciate such reliance on conviction without external checks.

Sure you have the right to depend on stories that you cannot verify, I am not denying you your right at all.

Ladylite:
Because I believe that there are unexplainable things my mind is open to any proof of the existence of such things... Proofs exist in books and experiences or encounters.

Everyone has their own encounters with the unexplained phenomenon, some experience these encounters just before death and others like me have had Near Death Experiences which became proof to us of the afterlife and we know for a fact that there is life after death and the curiosity of such experience kept out minds open to who or what controls the afterlife and we began to understand many things that are hidden from some of you that are locked up in this physical realm.

Yet there are others who without the NDE encounters have had their share of the supernatural in the constant occurrences of dejavu or premonitions.... Which science is yet to explain... Where you can dream or see someone dying or some occurrence happening and few days later it happens in the exact same way.... Kindly explain that.

But to shut your mind and think there is no God is the biggest ignorance of all.

For the universe, and all in it could NEVER have intelligently existence by itself.

I hope you know that there are people in this world that have not met you and to them you do not exist.... Consider that o

Finally I would rather live my life for God than live hoping with empty conviction that He doesn't exist.

I wonder why people like you are so bend of making others join you in your unbelief...
Maybe you once believed and it didn't work for you because you went about it so superstitiously....
Well I have proof and I have a good relationship with God. I know there is heaven and hell. I am also aware that God is not responsible for the mishaps in this world... The devil is not either... Human beings are.

The devil exists but can not do anything without a human being.... Yes, we are more powerful than evil.

Why would I want to improve on this or attempt to re-invent the wheel, erhn?

OLAADEGBU:
YouTube source ko, Google sauce ni.

You are more confused than a goat on astroturf

OLAADEGBU:
Did you get that from your YouTube source?

Nope, got it from here Nairaland and from google too.

OLAADEGBU:
Power of what message, that the church should unite based on a lie? Did her synagogue unite with the churches in Nigeria in the recent prayer walk against evil forces trying to divide the nation? Are you suggesting that we should unite regardless of where our power comes from? What message exactly are you telling us to focus on? Or is it because she is a Caucasian that we should take her message seriously?

Dont throw stones OLAADEGBU, because Deeper Life is a glasshouse. Your obedience and/or allegiance should be to any truth in the message

Maximus69:
You're just dragging issues unnecessarily my friend.

Let the other guy respond first, then you can assist if the need be. But jumping to conclusions when the guy never cleared the air on what he meant is presumptuous Sir!

What we were saying is there will be two DESTINATIONS, some people will live forever in Heaven (as spirit beings) while the remaining will be here on Earth to enjoy God's Kingdom.

That's what prompted the guy to say Adam and Eve had access to both Heaven and Earth before they sinned. So it's not a matter of access to God through prayers because all true servants of God had that!

blueAgent:
Where did I write that Heaven is the home of the righteous?

blueAgent:
You are confused.
Check my blog for articles on trinity.

Earth is the home of the righteous but God promised that he would recreate the Heavens and the Earth.
The righteous would have access to both Earth and Heaven just like Adam and Eve had before the sinned.

It was sin that separated Heaven from Earth.
Jesus is right to promise his followers Heaven as well as Earth because the righteous would have free access to both.

Though you were up to 90% in your uploaded submission, you no doubt were pained when blueAgent typed "there is no proof in the Bible for all this theory and guess work you wrote here." Now, even though blueAgent is very good at cruelly trying to shoot people down in flames especially when what they write are opposing views that dont gel well with his beloved indoctrinations and biased belief or point of view, this shouldnt be an excuse to misinterpret what he's typed or read more into what hes typed

I must say and admit that I dont see blueAgent ever typing that there will be two DESTINATIONS, some people will live forever in Heaven (as spirit beings) while the remaining will be here on Earth to enjoy God's Kingdom.

shadeyinka:
Every Christian has been given the authority and power to heal and cast out demons in the course of preaching the gospel of Christ.

You're preaching to the choir, lol.

shadeyinka:
Have you been privileged to cast out demons?

shadeyinka, if I want to brag, you know I would use lines such as: "Yes sir, I've been privileged to cast out demons" and that's not mentioning the demons I've cast out today, but sorry shadeyinka, I don't do, chest thumping, horn hooting or blow my trumpet, so suffice I bite my tongue and console myself with Jeremiah 9:23-24 and particularly 1 Corinthians 1:31's "Let the one who boasts boast in the Lord"

shadeyinka:
I agree with most of your statements here and they are not the issue. Yes, angels have spiritual bodies (for a spirit is indeed a body howbeit invisible in the physical realm)

shadeyinka, is God too, indeed a body, howbeit invisible in the physical realm, hmm?

shadeyinka:
But you have not answered the question! You said every other thing without touching the question

I asked you again:
If angels are spirits (life giving force), what is their spirit giving life since they don't have a physical body?

MuttleyLaff:
Angelic hosts of heaven, exist on another dimension. They dont need a body. Bodies are required ONLY for any being, considering to legally operate and/or live on earth. What you see about angels when they appear visibly and are physically seen with the naked eyes are glorified bodies and/or hologram bodies, for lack of a better word.

"Then Yahweh opened the eyes of Balaam,
and he saw the angel of Yahweh standing in the way, with his sword drawn in his hand;
and he bowed his head, and fell on his face."
- Numbers 22:31

"¹⁵When Elisha's servant got up the next morning, he saw that Syrian troops had the town surrounded.
“Sir, what are we going to do?” he asked.
¹⁶“Don't be afraid,” Elisha answered. “There are more troops on our side than on theirs.”
¹⁷Then he prayed, “Lord, please help him to see.”
And the Lord let the servant see that the hill was covered with fiery horses and flaming chariots all around Elisha."
- 2 Kings 6:15-17

shadeyinka, fyi, angelic hosts of heaven dont need physical bodies to operate on earth with. Angelic hosts of heaven dont take possession of human being bodies, that is what fallen angels/demons do. Angelic hosts of heaven dont subject to their influence, that is what fallen angels do, they put human being under their demonic influence. Go check out Psalm 91:11-12, to read and find out what angelic hosts of heaven are commanded to do, lol, hmm?

According to bible, shadeyinka, angelic hosts of heaven, are never documented nor suggested to have actual human being physical bodies, lol.

Peacefullove:
I doubt if shadeyinka reads your post, he won't have been so deluded to ignore the highlighted part , what's spirit of God in human nostrils if not breath ?

I am pleased to know that others too, have noticed that you shadeyinka, dont in very careful, thoughtful and thorough way, read detailed or lengthy posts, lol.

shadeyinka:
(Note: At least it could make sense to say that the life giving force of a man gives life to his physical body)[/i]

1/ shadeyinka, what do you know that LGF (i.e. life giving force) is, hmm?
2/ List examples of positive LGFs and negative LGFs
3/ What are the differences/distinctions between positive LGFs and negative LGFs?

shadeyinka:
Let me make it clearer based on your response.

Do angels have dual Spirits?
One, a spiritual body and second a life force from God (which keep the spiritual body alive)?

Before you run off, by your doctrine for a human being, he has a physical body AND a life force that keeps the physical body alive.

Hence my question: do angels have dual Spirits?

MuttleyLaff:
I agree and accept that your knowledge and experience is different from mine and that's because yours is messed up, suspect and wack. What you shadeyinka, throw about are ill-informed opinions, like for example, believing angels are capable of having sexual relationship with human beings that even leads to the women bearing children, lol, smh.

Go ahead, be my guest, and lets fold arms and watch you, as you dig yourself into a hole, you cant even with a ladder climb out from, lol

For crying out loud, what is the freaking difference?. If you really know that you're talking sense, then spell out the difference(s) nah between fallen angels and demons, smh.

Smh, where are the offsprings of angels before this alleged copulation with daughters of men, hmm shadeyinka

Will you stop spewing out this your nonsence and ingredients smelly bullshit

Ex angels of God, as in meaning, celestial beings otherwise known as fallen angels are called so, because they have become persona non grata with heaven. They not only fell from grace but they also fell from heaven, as they were booted out of heaven, by Angel Michael and Co.

Why did demons then did the demons begged Jesus to not just cast them out of the demon possessed man, but rather to cast them into the body of the herds of pigs

Did you for a moment think demons were smelling of roses and expensive perfumes before ni, hmm?

1/ I seriously doubt you know what the meaning of the word "angel" really is. Explain in one or two sentences what angel is shadeyinka
2/ Give or list three examples of beings who are angels shadeyinka

This is the result of unclear and/or confused thinking. You're using wrong words and choosing the wrong examples to describe and explain what fallen angels/demons are

"And I heard the voice of a man calling from between the banks of the Ulai: “Gabriel, explain the vision to this man.”"
- Daniel 8:15

"Then the angel, who looked like a human being, reached out and touched my lips. I said to him,
"Sir, this vision makes me so weak that I can't stop trembling."
- Daniel 10:16

shadeyinka, will you please, again, stop ridiculously trying so hard to make fetch happen, hmm? For crying out loud, there is nothing dualistic or two folded about celestial beings, also known as angelic host of heaven, they are spirits period. They are nothing else other than being just plain spirits. In every aspect shadeyinka, they are thoroughly or completely dont have a physical body, they only have a spiritual form and there is no other part to them, than being spirit, as in meaning, being a positive LGF.

shadeyinka, I am 1000% sure you know that, the only times you we see celestial beings, physically with our nakẹd eyes, is when they are sent on errands to earth as angels, like for example, to deliver a message, explain a dream/vision, to relieve us in times of adversity, minister to us in trying times etcetera. This is the time they take on human body form. Even when they do take on human body form, in reality, it is not a human body, but it is some material that looks like or that resembles human body that they take on.

shadeyinka, the celestial beings or positive LGFs, put on this material that looks like or that resembles human body for the duration of the running the errand of delivering a message or executing whatever assignment it was they were sent by God to do. They exist in this form, for our benefit, because if not, we wont be aware, when they are about and also in this familiar form, it can allay fears. Anyways, when the celestial beings have finished their assignment(s), there is no more need for the adopted human body form, so they drop off the human body form and no longer appear looking like human beings. The "body" lol, miraculously disappears and they cease, until when next, to exist in that form.

Negative LGF, otherwise known as fallen angels or demons, are a totally different kettle of fish because you will never read anywhere in the Bible of them taking on human body form, but instead what they like and/or do is, seek to take the actual possession of human body(ies) If they cant have a human body, they will settle for a serpent or beg to be cast into a herd of pigs, lol (i.e. Matthew 8:30–31)

shadeyinka, with all due respects, please, until when you bring yourself up to speed, please, please, please stop giving opinions and contribution on matters outside of your knowledge of celestial beings whether be it positive LGFs or negative LGFs. All you've been doing is contributing, watching through opaqued and/or without a story line stained church windows

Maximus69:
All these are THEORIES unproven so leave the book the way it was written Sir.

"It is the glory of God to conceal a matter;
to search out a matter is the glory of kings."
- Proverbs 25:2

"Be diligent to present yourself approved to God,
a worker who does not need to be ashamed,
rightly dividing the word of truth."
- 2 Timothy 2:15

Present as a list, whatever it is/they are that you so call it/them "theories unproven". C'mon now, I dare you, to put your money where your mouth is and point out what the heck all these so called "theories unproven" are

Maximus69:
If you can't simplify the hidden sacred secrets in a way that is PRACTICALLY APPLICABLE and BENEFITIAL please just allow the other guy to respond

Maximus69:
What the other guy said is "Adam and Eve had access to both Heaven and Earth".

[s]That was to correlate the idea of having the same destination for both spirits and fleshy creatures. [/s]

After God has created the Earth, there wasn't any mention of angels until Genesis 6:1 when the sons of the true God had relations with the daughters of men. So there was nothing like access to both Heaven and Earth for fleshy creatures, it was only spirit creatures that had access to both because they can move faster and easier since their being doesn't depend on physical bodies that must be transported from place to place!

So if you don't know what we were discussing, just keep cool and allow the guy talk for himself!

Maximus69, there is nothing esoteric nor obscure here. What hidden sacred secrets are you talking about now, hmm? There is nothing hard to understand here that needs simplifying, lol.

I repeat that, prior the fall from grace, A&E had direct and/or unmetered access to God before, is all blueAgent said and it is glaring this is what "the other guy" (i.e. blueAgent) advanced, my friend. "The other guy" has said all that needs said and there's nothing more for him to talk about. Everyone except you can see that, lol.

You have my blessing to go head to head with blueAgent, to your heart's delight, but that doesnt have any bearing on me, not to throw at you, simple, easy, straightforward and direct question(s) nah. It is an opportunity too good to miss or waste, not to weigh into your convo with blueAgent, and get to ask you about those questions you unceremoniously couldnt bring yourself give your answer(s) to, lol.

Maximus69:
The discuss is just between me and him

There is nothing wrong nor hard, in having a parallel and/or simultaneous discuss with me.

The discuss between you and blueAgent, especially one like this, done on a public forum, is not excused from anyone, taking part in the discuss, especially if such interlocutor is keen to talk to you about something like access to heaven and ask you questions, like:
1/ Do you Maximus69, as you are now, have unmetered and/or round the clock open access to heaven?
2/ Do you Maximus69, as you stand now, at all, have 365 24 7 access, to God's throne of grace?

Maximus69:
i don't welcome ideas of adding to what's written in God's word.

I am pleased to read that there is at least two of us, that don't welcome ideas of adding to what's written in God's word. Do you let God's word speak by itself and attentively listen and hear, as God's word speaks, though, hmm? Are you used to and/or learned in God's word tone of speech, lol, hmm, my friend? The moment Maximus69, you agree that the donkey didnt deserve the Balaam beating(s), you've moved up to a new, better and greater vantage point, lol.

Maximus69:
Adam and Eve were created here on Earth and God told them they're going to die if they eat of a certain tree, and they did.

So if they've been traveling to and fro heaven, the Bible would have given us a clue somewhere.

Smh, who on this thread did you find that has said A&E were travelling to and fro heaven in the Bible, hmm Maximus69?

Maximus69:
Meanwhile the scripture did say "sons of the true God had SEX with female humans" if you disagree with the idea that the so called sons of the true God there are angels, you can present a better interpretation of it, it's a welcome development.

Curiosity is one of the most powerful things to own, as there are things that you can learn about others, purely just out of curiosity. Be curious, and not judgemental, I hear it said, lol, but this is just extremely amusing and too hysterically funny to imagine and/or compute, lol.

I never proposed or entertained a desire to present a better interpretation of anything. All I wanted to know and find out, is, do you Maximus69 side with shadeyinka too, that celestial beings, as in meaning ex-angels of God, had sexual liaisons with female human beings who then gave them children. I have found the answer I was looking, my curiosity thirst on whether or not, you subscribe to angels having sex with female humans has been quenched, so no further questions your honour, lol.

Maximus69:
But as for heaven and earth, the Bible made it clear that these are two distinct places that only spirit creatures NOT FLESH like humans could shuffle the two! John 3:13

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Nothing wey Musa, no go see for gate
Wetin vigilante, no go see for midnight.

Where did Maximus69 get this baffling thought from, about flesh, like humans, ever shuttling between heaven and earth from? Where on this thread has Maximus69 read anyone contributed about shuttling back and forth to heaven, hmm?
How did Maximus69 make the huge leap to John 3:13 from a simple comment blueAgent made, erhn?

Maximus69:
I don't waste my time on irrelevant questions!

Of course, you would say that, as you don't want to hear the truth because you don't want your illusions destroyed, lol.

Maximus69:
What the other guy said is "Adam and Eve had access to both Heaven and Earth".

... and I have taken it further and personally directed it at you, asking that, right now, do you Maximus69 have or dont have direct access to Heaven and Earth. It is a simple and unscary question. It isnt a trick question and I wasnt aiming to trip you up with it

Maximus69:
That was to correlate the idea of having the same destination for both spirits and fleshy creatures.

After God has created the Earth, there wasn't any mention of angels until Genesis 6:1 when the sons of the true God had relations with the daughters of men. So there was nothing like access to both Heaven and Earth for fleshy creatures, it was only spirit creatures that had access to both because they can move faster and easier since their being doesn't depend on physical bodies that must be transported from place to place!

So if you don't know what we were discussing, just keep cool and allow the guy talk for himself!

Smh. You really think and/or believe that all events were written in a chronological order in the bible, right?

The moment A&E ate the fruit of the TKGE, they immediately spiritually died and instantly experienced a disconnect with Heaven, lo. The gateway channel to Heaven effectively was severed, a dividing line was drawn, lol.

Maximus69, out of curiosity, do you side with shadeyinka too, that celestial beings, as in meaning ex-angels of God, had sexual liaisons with female human beings who then gave them children, hmm, lol?

shadeyinka:
I am sure you know I don't have to agree with you in anyway. My knowledge and experience is different from yours.

I agree and accept that your knowledge and experience is different from mine and that's because yours is messed up, suspect and wack. What you shadeyinka, throw about are ill-informed opinions, like for example, believing angels are capable of having sexual relationship with human beings that even leads to the women bearing children, lol, smh.

shadeyinka:
I will only comment on the second item.

Go ahead, be my guest, and lets fold arms and watch you, as you dig yourself into a hole, you cant even with a ladder climb out from, lol

shadeyinka:
1. There is a difference between fallen angels and demons.

For crying out loud, what is the freaking difference?. If you really know that you're talking sense, then spell out the difference(s) nah between fallen angels and demons, smh.

shadeyinka:
2. When fallen angels copulated with daughters of men, they gave birth to Nephilims. Nephilims are therefore hybrids of human and fallen angel. Neither are they whole human nor angels

Smh, where are the offsprings of angels before this alleged copulation with daughters of men, hmm shadeyinka

shadeyinka:
3. The souls/spirit of Nephilims are earthbound and cannot go to Sheol and because they were once physical flesh, they desire to find expression in living beings

Will you stop spewing out this your nonsence and ingredients smelly bullshit

Ex angels of God, as in meaning, celestial beings otherwise known as fallen angels are called so, because they have become persona non grata with heaven. They not only fell from grace but they also fell from heaven, as they were booted out of heaven, by Angel Michael and Co.

shadeyinka:
4. Fallen angels do not possess a physical body nor do they need one to have their expression.

Why did demons then did the demons begged Jesus to not just cast them out of the demon possessed man, but rather to cast them into the body of the herds of pigs

shadeyinka:
5. Jesus referred to demons as unclean spirits

Did you for a moment think demons were smelling of roses and expensive perfumes before ni, hmm?

shadeyinka:
6. Their fearful nature during actual deliverances make one believe that these are less than angels.

1/ I seriously doubt you know what the meaning of the word "angel" really is. Explain in one or two sentences what angel is shadeyinka
2/ Give or list three examples of beings who are angels shadeyinka

shadeyinka:
7. The classes of fallen angels are well spelt out
Eph 6:11-12: "Put on the whole armor of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."

These are the ones we wrestle with.

We don't wrestle with demons, we cast them out. Demons are spiritual equivalents of disease causing microbes to human beings.

If you have had just one opportunity to cast out demons, you'll understand these. If all you have is theoretically knowledge, I understand. I was once in the same shoes.

This is the result of unclear and/or confused thinking. You're using wrong words and choosing the wrong examples to describe and explain what fallen angels/demons are

TUANKU:
A good time to fire up metasploit...

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Maximus69:
In the beginning, neither Adam nor Even need access to heaven because JEHOVAH often visit them from time to time. Genesis 3:8

Everything they needed was here on Earth with them, the only reason why most people are eager to have access to another place (heaven) today is because they're tired of the conditions we have here.

Why couldnt you get yourself to answer if as you are now, do you have access to heaven? Do you have access to God's throne of grace? Hmm? Do you find it uncomfortable a question to ask ni? Is it because you'll get to learn home truths from answering it, is why you decided not to respond to it, lol, hmm?

Maximus69:
But that wasn't how it started, in the beginning everything here was perfect! Genesis 1:31

1/ Everything here was perfect/good! Genesis 1:31 Maximus69 bar one thing, one couple and because of that one couple everything went topsy-turvy upside down and back to a state of confusion
2/ I dont see anyone anywhere in the bible, stating that A&E were good/perfect Maximus69, or do you?
2b/ I see the commentary "and it was good" associated with and/or assigned to each at every stage/day of creation, but never read/heard similar said about or done to A&E. Why leave out "and it was good" when it got to Adam and Eve's turn of creation, hmm Maximus69?
3/ Perfection, in a simplest definition, means, cant be improved upon. Would you agree and/or accept that definition of perfection, hmm Maximus69?

Maximus69:
BlueAgent, i hate blind argument, if you can just quote somewhere from Genesis to Revelation that has to do with Adam and Eve having ACCESS to both Heaven and Earth. I'll be glad, because this post took me almost a week to reply.

WHY?

I went to make a research through my Bible to verify what you said perhaps there is something of that nature mentioned in any part of the Bible, but i couldn't find any!

Maximus69, as you are now, do you have access to heaven? Do you have access to God's throne of grace? Before the fall from grace, A&E had direct and/or unmetered access to God before, is all blueAgent is saying and/or advancing as a biblical fact and truth, thats all.

shadeyinka:
I read your lengthy post and I agree with most except these two major ones I'm going to mention

If I am to be honest and be frankly speaking, I dont think, you enough, in a very careful and thorough way, read the detailed lengthy post

shadeyinka:
1. Man isn't a spirit that has a soul encapsulated in a body. (I used to Believe such as that was what we were taught in church)

MuttleyLaff:
I dont have opinion(s) about what is a Soul and what is a Spirit but I do have irrefutable facts on what each is and can give a rundown as well on what each is

shadeyinka, you are soul, because when God formed Adam from dust, Adam became a living soul not by God adding soul to Adam, but it is because of the breath of the spirit of life that he became a living soul. Without the breath of the spirit of life, Adam would have showed no sign of life. He would have been as good as a mannequin or be a glorified scarecrow, just be a lifeless soul, lol

shadeyinka:
Man is a essentially a soul with a physical body and a spiritual body.
The soul of man determines how healthy his body or soul will be by the nature of what he feeds them. When the Soul feeds on the word of God, it results into Faith (in the spirit) etc. Essentially every human being has three identities
1. Physical Identity (BODY)
2. Self Identity (SOUL)
3. Spiritual Identity (SPIRIT)

=>(check) ✓ ^5.5/₁₀

shadeyinka:
2. A demon is NOT soulless!
Angels have a dual identity (spirit and soul)
Demons have dual identity (spirit and soul)
Animals have dual identities (body and soul)

=>(check) x ⁰/₁₀

shadeyinka:
The soul is our personal identity that defines our Will, Emotion and Intellect.

=>(check) ✓ ¹⁰/₁₀

shadeyinka:
The only reason why demons cannot be saved is that atonement through the blood of Christ was not shed for them.

Why wasnt/isnt the atonement through the blood of Christ was not shed for demons shadeyinka, hmm?.

shadeyinka:
Demons are hybrid of human and fallen angel "DNA".

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Smh. You think it was clever and would make you look smart dropping the word "DNA" down, just like that, isnt it shadeyinka?
What is "DNA" if I might ask, hmm? How is "DNA" related to demons, huh? What connection does "DNA" have with demons?

shadeyinka, you whimsically typed, that "demons are hybrid of human and fallen angel".
1/ What came first, the demon or fallen angel?
2/ What is the difference between demon and fallen angel shadeyinka?
3/ How can "demons are hybrid of human and fallen angel" possibly be true shadeyinka, hmm?
4/ Do you know of fallen angels between themselves ever reproducing another offspring fallen angel, hmm shadeyinka?
5/ If No, is your reply to #4 above, then how is it possible for fallen angels to engage in producing a hybrid then, erhn?
6/ shadeyinka, do you agree and/or accept that because fallen angels havent got a physical body, then it is impossible for them to commit the sexual sin of the flesh, hmm?

shadeyinka:
They are neither human nor are they angels

"Then He will say to those on His left,
‘Depart from Me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels"
- Matthew 25:41

shadeyinka, fyi, fallen angels are, coup plotters celestial angelic host of heaven, who after the failed attempt to seize/gain power in heaven, got irreversibly transformed into demons. They were angels of God to start with, but are now angels of the devil.

shadeyinka:
By nature because of their ancestry they are purely evil

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How do you mean by ancestry?

shadeyinka:
A soulless being is a being who is emotionless. Demons are fearful, arrogant, stubborn and sometimes trickery. You can see this from the scriptures or with personal experience if you have ever conducted a deliverance.
Thanks

"Now, the reason why the devil and the demons are inredeemable is because of the fact that they have no souls. The devil and the demons, are not able to be saved, be improved, or be corrected because of the mere fact that they lack a soul. The devil and the demons, to start with, unlike human beings, havent got diddly squat souls to make better, to improve upon, to make more desirable, satisfactory and/or effective."
- Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by MuttleyLaff: 10:40am On Feb 07 2020

shadeyinka, I previously and more than once have stated that demons dont have souls, but can you see how inconsistent you are and how you contradict yourself, hmm? One minute you type: "Demons have dual identity (spirit and soul)" and soon after you type: "soulless being" for demon. Make up your mind shadeyinka, have demons souls or they are soulless, lol?

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luvmijeje:
Do you know I've not read what you wrote in response

I have gotten used to your evasive techniques madam.

luvmijeje:
but I'm 100% sure your write up will be emotional devoid of fact. Any emotional response will be immediately highlighted.

Look at coal dust brainwashed luvmijeje, trying so hard, to call and turn white snow MuttleyLaff black, lol. You know that the truth is, its you, right from the word go, who's being emotional, got names wrong, slandering Jesus, calling God evil, calling the Israelites killers, supporting robbers

luvmijeje:
Any response that cannot be back by the scripture is emotional.

You know I thrive on scripture. I travel to many places but I live in scripture, scripture is my home, sweet home. Each one of my responses, 9 times out of 10 are backed by scripture, reveal objective biblical truth(s) and biblical fact(s), this for you luvmijeje, is a feat you cant match and its impossible for you to achieve

luvmijeje:
I'll respond when I have access to my laptop.

Take all the time you need to respond back, just before that make sure you've in a very careful, thorough and thoughtful way, read every single word and sentences in the post a million times over

luvmijeje:
Come in with your best shot and still get your face rub on the floor. I have seen you so get ready for my Salvo.

Oh yeah, with that your feeble and watered down content. Even to get the name of the lady raped is a challenge for you. If you cant get the name correct, only heavens knows how much you have incorrect and hence the rubbish load of cadswallop you spew out

luvmijeje, knock, knock.

https://www.nairaland.com/5667107/why-there-resurrection/5#86449495
shadeyinka, I have as promised, at the above seen link, provided you a humble detailed breakdown and the functional dynamics between the body, soul and spirit, lol. Now I suppose here is the juncture, I guess, where you put on the high collar, dark colour cloak and bring out the daggers, lol.

I understand and can see you tussling with Peacefullove, as you seem having reservations on what the distinction(s) are between grave, Sheol and paradise. I equally can shed light on this for you if so request I do.

PS: Thank you Politics moderator for unhiding that post

MuttleyLaff:
shadeyinka, just mull over what I've so far advanced and wait for when I am actively back here in the late PM. Sebi nah truth and proper understanding you want erhn? Then wait nah, it'll be worth the waiting.

shadeyinka:
Okay!

MuttleyLaff:
"Guard your heart above all else,
for it determines the course of your life
(i.e. for everything you do flows from the heart)"
- Proverbs 4:23

"The good man brings good things out of the good treasure of his heart,
and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil treasure of his heart.
For out of the overflow of the heart, the mouth speaks"
- Luke 6:45

shadeyinka, I am 110% sure you'll agree and accept that, it is the Soul that is saved even Ezekiel 18:20 emphatically states that: "The soul that sinneth, it shall die.", it doesnt say its the Body or the Spirit. Now, the heart is used by the Soul but the heart definitely is not the Spirit

Let me slip this bit in, first, as a preamble. Proverbs 4:23 and Luke 6:45 above, informs us that, it's out of the abundance of the heart first, then processed in the brain or mind, before the mouth speaks. All evil intents comes forth out of the heart, as in, the heart housed in the human Body. Mark 7:21-22, paints a picture of the heart with the following: "For from within the hearts of men come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, wickedness, deceit, debauchery, envy, slander, arrogance, and foolishness" and Jeremiah 17:9 doesnt paint the heart in good light either, as it says: "The human heart is the most deceitful of all things, and desperately wicked. Who really knows how bad it is?"

Incidentally, the verse, Psalms 51:10, informatively tells us, that the heart is linked with the mind, which is part of the Soul. The same Soul or psyche uses the heart as an outlet, to pass out or pass in things, from the Body and/or Spirit via the heart in the Soul. I'll soon below explain how it does this and/or how this works

What is man?
"And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground,
and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."
- Genesis 2:7

"For the Spirit of God has made me,
and the breath of the Almighty gives me life."
- Job 33:4

Man is a spirit being, residing or housed in a Body and possessing a Soul (i.e. a psyche). In fact, Man is made up of Body, Soul and Spirit. As a matter of fact, the Soul or psyche, has the Body and Spirit on each opposite sides of it. In a nutshell, Man essentially, is a spirit being with a Soul, housed, encapsulated, and/or wrapped up, in a human being body suit.

Genesis 2:7 and Job 33:4 above, informs us, its "ruach" the Spirit from God and "neshamah" that keeps the human body animated.

Now shadeyinka, please dont try to mix up "ruach" and "neshamah" with ordinary and/or commonplace spirits, as in meaning, dont try to mix up the Spirit of God and the breath or wind of God, with extraterrestrial beings, which is what evil and good spirits are.

Fyi, "ruach", in Hebrew, with its corresponding Greek word "pneuma" essentially and in an almost oversimplified way means force. It is breath, wind, spirit of God, all rolled in as one thing. It in a sense, is the invisible force or power of God, hence why being perceived as a Spirit, so yes, "ruach" is the Spirit of God. In fact you wont wrong in saying that "ruach" or "Ha Ruach Ha Kodesh" is the Holy Spirit, as in, the Spirit of God.

You can see both "ruach" and "neshamah" being interplayed in the creation of man from Genesis 2:7 reproduced above, and as a witness plus as a supporting verse, Job 33:4 you see reproduced above, confirms, by testifying, that, its "ruach" that made man and it is "neshamah" that gives man life

"Neshamah", incidentally, is actually derived from another Hebrew word called "nasham" that means to pant and/or blow away with air, now, when the spirit, as in, meaning, "neshamah", the breath, returns back to God, the Body slumps and the Soul goes into comatose. This looks and feels, similar to a TV animated cartoon changed and turned into a cartoon strip character, on a comic book or magazine paper. TV animated cartoon characters moves, but cartoon strip character, on a comic book or magazine paper dont move like animated cartoon characters watched on TV screens. For the life of the body is in the blood and the life of the soul is in the spirit. When the spirit leaves the body, it returns back to God, leaving the body inanimate, meaning leaves it motionless and lifeless, as in, without life or no more with life. Ecclesiastes 12:7

"Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was:
and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it."
- Ecclesiastes 12:7

Now, moving further on, the Spirit and Soul have different faculties, where the faculties of the spirit, comprises of Fellowship, Conscience, Discernment or Intuition, while the faculties of the Soul are made up of the Mind (i.e. consciousness and sub consciousness) or Intellect, Will or Freewill, and Emotions. The Body is not left out, it has 5 faculties of senses, and these are, sight, as in to see via the eyes, hearing, as in hear via the ears, touch, as in, feel via applicable part of the body, smell, as in, perceive via the nose and last but not the least, taste, as in, sense with the mouth.

The Body is worldly conscious and relates to the environment and its surroundings, the Soul is self conscious and relates to self & other people and the Spirit is God conscious and relates to God. After the death of the Body, the Soul without God, without any affinity with God, cant achieve or have eternal life

Now, remember shadeyinka, that the question was: "What is Man" Well, my intro response is, the Soul, biblically speaking, is the most important existence of Man and that is why the battle is and always has been about and over the Soul. All attacks, are ultimately targeted at and for the Soul. Now, getting started proper, the Soul is the first medium key component of Man created by God and Man is tickled and accessed through this same Soul, by way of the Body and Spirit. The Soul, as a matter of fact and in effect, is the mediator between the Body and Spirit. The Soul uses the heart, as the point from where issues are sent out and/or distributed from.

Let me elaborate and explain a bit how everything works, the different faculties in the Soul waits, to pick up signals coming from the relevant and/or applicable faculties in the Body and the Spirit. This crucial bit of information here, is very important to grasp, and it is that, the Soul receives from the Body and deposits into the Spirit. Whatever the Body reads or sees via the eyes, hears via the ears, feels via applicable part of the body, smells via the nose and talks or tastes via the mouth is picked up by the Soul and deposited into the Spirit. The Spirit then, upon receiving these things from the Soul, has to deal with or process what the Soul has deposited into the Spirit's laps.

Fya shadeyinka, please note, anywhere in the post you see "Spirit", unless it is stated otherwise, take it, to mean, as in, spirit-man, and not the Holy Spirit or Spirit of God. Thank you

Now, this here, is why regulation is very important. It is why we ought to control and oversee what the Soul is picking up from or what it is picking up with the senses. If you have to by all means, eat the chicken or fish, then its necessary to know when and how to spit out the bones, or if it's straw to eat, then know when and how to spit out the sticks, alternatively, if it's liquor to drink, and you cant hold it down so you don't throw it up, then know how or when to stay away from the liquor. Caveat emptor clause #1 done.

The devil has no power over anyone, except if such person, is in the dark, dabbling in the dark or is ignorant, so I'll advise the curious to distance themselves from dabbling into the dark, to save themselves from misery, but if hellbent on dining with the devil, then make sure you've got a long spoon to dine and eat with. Caveat emptor clause #2 done.

Resuming and back on track, now, if the Soul picks up an interaction, info, instruction, message, communication, issue etcetera from the Body, it cant interpret, then the deposit the Soul received from the Body and put into the Spirit will be unfruitful then (i.e. remember the red emboldened above hmm?) The thing here, is that, the Spirit, by the God design, knows what it expects from the Soul for positive fruition to be possible but the Soul has received from the Body something it doesnt via the Mind or Intellect understand or know about. Wahala don begin to gas be dat ooo. Now, just as in the physical, when the stomach growls, making noises for food, when nourishing is long overdue, so it is spiritually, the Spirit, intercedes for us through wordless and noiseless groans for substances necessary for growth, health and good condition

The Soul, as a conduit, a vent hole determines what the Spirit receives, but if the Soul is transferring the wrong expectations (e.g. like not praying right, not asking right, not the will of God etctera) then the Spirit, does the wordless groans. It does this because the spirit-man knows what should be prayed for, so it becomes restless with wordless groans, when the expectation(s) is not forthcoming or not in sight. The Spirit, as in, the spirit-man, is like saying: Hey Mr Soul, where are the goods I am expecting, please dont feed me with trash, junk and any of all these ungodly razzmatazz stuffs. So since the Spirit, is capable of asking and telling the Soul what it needs, the Soul just has to return back to the Body to honour the request and be asking the Body for correct or "kosher" stuff and not the crap its received

Now, if it is one of those classic cases of the Spirit, is willing BUT the Body is weak, then the Body many times will REFUSE the Soul the request of the Spirit, and here we have a typical case of struggle or power tussle going on in the Soul involving the Body and the Spirit
The Spirit , knows what it needs the Soul giving it from the Body (i.e. the Spirit tells the Soul what to do, expecting the Soul to relay this information request to the Body) but the Body, many times, is not ready or prepared to act in accordance with the wish or command of the Spirit, by giving or offering it to the Soul for the Spirit.

There is a rule, that the Spirit, cannot give to the Body righteous things it didnt receives from the Soul. Hmm, I perceive someone's going to trip at this point, so OK, here is the clarification to ward off any confusion:
The Soul passes on all righteous things it receives from the Body, if the seed is able to bear fruit and is meaningful when the Spirit receives it, the Spirit, will then fertilise the ''seed'' and return it back to the Body, via the Soul, bumper harvest fruitfully. Call it positive and welcome payback, if you like.

So, in effect, the Soul feeds the Spirit, and the Soul receives from the Spirit, to feed the Body. This is the reason, why if your mind (i.e. Soul) doesnt understand something OR anything, it would be unable to interpret, to then, successfully feed the Spirit or the Body.

shadeyinka, do you ever recoil back, when watching something gruesome happening in real life or maybe just on a TV screen slash internet, as in, like in a horror film or something? If you do, well that's your spirit, as in your spirit-man, not wanting to be needlessly grieved. Sometimes, you have to protect the gateway to your spirit-man because you might not necessarily want to relive or remember that moment, so you block any avenue, contact or link to that thing happening or going on at that moment of time. What is happening here, is you preventing your spirit-man from being fed with junk. You are protecting your heart and shielding it from receiving and/or taking in from junk. You are blocking the faculties from transferring junk to the Soul via the heart.

"Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health,
even as thy soul prospereth"
- 3 John 1:2

As seen in 3 John 1:2 above, the Soul (i.e. the Mind (i.e. conscious and sub conscious) or Intellect, Will or Freewill, and Emotions) tops it all. Of course, the ability of the Soul to prosper or be held back to any degree, is dependent on the Spirit, getting the right detail, at which to relay back to the Body via the Soul at a latter date, future or time, as and when needed.

This is another God design, quest for quality GIGO and QIQO system set-up. GIGO is an ancroymn for "Garbage in, Garbage out" and QIQO is an ancroymn for "Quality in, Quality out" If the Soul sends in shiit to the Spirit, the Soul gets shiit back from the Spirit. It just implies that bad input by the Soul will result in bad output in return, sent back from the Spirit to the Soul. Ultimately too, the Body, at the receiving end of it all, gets the flawed and nonsense input data from the Soul, this comes by nonsense output garbage obtained from the Spirit that originally and in first place was sent in from the Soul coming from one or more of the Body's faculties (e.g. eyes, ears, touch, mouth, smell)

"For You will not abandon my soul to Sheol; Nor will You allow Your Holy One to undergo decay."
- Psalm 16:10

shadeyinka, you're too heavy to want to fall for my hand now, please dont. Biko, jor abeg. The soul of Jesus, not being left in Sheol, aka hell/hades, is King David's Psalm 16:10 prophecy being fulfilled. Everything written about Jesus, in the Law of Moses, the Prophets, and the Psalms were each and every one fulfilled, and so we have it that the soul of Jesus was not abandoned in Sheol nor His body decayed. Praise God. Alleluia.

Now, shadeyinka, when our Lord Jesus Christ resurrected, He resurrected with a glorified body. Need I go on, need I say more, if not, then I rest my case then.

After the death of the Body, the Soul without God, without any affinity with God, cant achieve or have eternal life

I guess shadeyinka that you'll agree that the devil and demons are souless, meaning they have no soul. Now, the reason why the devil and the demons are inredeemable is because of the fact that they have no souls. The devil and the demons, are not able to be saved, be improved, or be corrected because of the mere fact that they lack a soul. The devil and the demons, to start with, unlike human beings, havent got diddly squat souls to make better, to improve upon, to make more desirable, satisfactory and/or effective.

God doesnt have a soul, heart, eyes, legs, hands ears, etcetera literally as we human being and/or we terrestrial beings do physically have

There you have it all shadeyinka, a detailed breakdown and the functional dynamics between the body, soul and spirit, lol. Now I suppose here is the juncture, where you bring out the daggers, lol

shadeyinka:
Thank you Mr Janosky for coming to bail out your friend Peacefullove. Unfortunately, you did not answer the question. You have only objected to the use of life giving force and you claim it should be life force . I do not intend the assert the similarity or differences so, the question again

I asked you again:
If angels are spirits (life giving force) , what is their spirit giving life since they don't have a body?
(Note: At least it could make sense to say that the life giving force of a man gives life to his physical body)

So, the offensive word has been removed. If the life force of a man give life to the physical body, what does the life force of a spirit give life?

Thanks for your understanding

shadeyinka I had already advanced to you that it is only human beings required, not celestial angelic host of heavens, to have a body if and/when operating or living on earth.

Celestial angelic hosts of heaven do not require physical body in order to operate. Case in point, when the servant eyes were opened at the beclon of the prophet of God, the servant saw celestial being waiting at attention.

Foul spirits, in order to legally operate on earth take refuge in crazy demon possesed people, or objects like cemetery, trees etcetera or even animals, like a herd of pigs etcetera

Celestial angelic hosts of heaven are supernatural beings with exceptional power, strength and skills who aren't subjected to the limitations of an earthly body.

Celestial angelic host of heaven beings unless when they reveal themselves, naturally, are invisible to the opened human eye

luvmijeje:
Muttleylaff, l have landed.

Madam confused.com has landed

luvmijeje:
There are 2 people who have have the gift of dream interpretation in the Bible. Joseph and Daniel. Did their interpretation of dreams look similar to their dreams. The book of revelation is for those who have the gift of interpretation. Any literal meaning giving to it is false. The message in it is not for everyone.

What literally meaning have you on this thread read that has been given to the book of Revelation, hmm, ase?

luvmijeje:
oga, I never claim we will be subjected to uninterrupted long lasting evil. Please read my posts again, if you are still confuse rephrase that question.

If you never claimed, then why did you type: "that nullify the scripture you quoted" when I typed: "And death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire" quoting Revelation 20:14 then?

luvmijeje:
Logically tell me how my statement was a slander.

You with your big mouth, typed: "To those doing business, what Christ did was evil"

luvmijeje:
Do you actually think those whose source of livelihood was destroyed were happy with Christ?

You really dont get the symbolism of that demo, hmm?. luvmijeje, remember and with profound respect, it is the Lord, your God, for it is He who is gives the power to make wealth, lol (i.e. paraphrased from Deuteronomy 8:18)

Source of livelihood indeed, exploiting others, doing forex, getting money by unfair means like overpricing, charging too high a price for pairs of turtledove and/or pigeons, used for a cleansing, turning the temple into a place for merchandising etcetera.

Fyi luvmijeje, our Lord and Saviour of the world, Jesus Christ, when he overturned the table and frogmarched out the animals was making a statement, meaning He was letting them know that the shop is closing, the old guard is being replaced by a new guard. He in effective was cleansing the temple in preparation for the permanent more effective and best ever cleansing possible. A new Sheriff had entered town, lol, luvmijeje. Everything that happened on that day, the whipping, stopping and putting an end to animals, as animals would no longer be necessary to appease God, the cleansing of the temple, and thats including those shady characters too, etcetera were a foreshow, as in meaning were advance signs or warnings of what is to come and what Jesus is going to accomplish in the future.

luvmijeje:
John 2 :14 -15
And He found in the temple those who sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the money changers [b]doing business.
15 When He had made a whip of cords, He drove them all out of the temple, with the sheep and the oxen,
and poured out the changers’ money and overturned the tables.

Again my question to you, do you think those who were drove away were happy with the action Christ took? He took their source of livelihood away. A source of income they used in feeding their family. Why didn't Christ create or build another place for them to do business. To you all, Christ's action is good but for those who bear the burnt of that action, it is evil.

"” ¹²Then Jesus went into the temple courts and drove out all who were buying and selling there.
He overturned the tables of the money changers and the seats of those selling doves.
¹³And He declared to them, “It is written:
‘My house will be called a house of prayer.’ But you are making it ‘a den of robbers.’”"
- Matthew 21:12-13

Why should Christ create a den of robbers or build another place for them to do their dishonest and shady business, hmm luvmijeje? Abi Jesus was lying when He tagged them as robbers ni, hmm?

luvmijeje:
We are both thieves because I am absolutely sure you also learnt that phrase from somewhere else.

"Gbogbo wa lole... Ẹni ilẹ mọ ba ni barawo" loosely translated "we're all thieves, but someone like you caught at the crack of dawn, with hand in the cookie jar, is a hardcore armed robber"

luvmijeje:
At this point, be warned. I am about to turn your upside down. Gen 2 : 16-17

"So they hanged Haman, on the very gallows that he had prepared for Mordecai."
- Esther 7:10a

luvmijeje, you're about to turn yourself upside down. You're just like Haman in that Esther 7:10 above, about to do an own goal and watch this, score against yourself, lol, bwahahaha.

luvmijeje:
And the LORD God commanded him,
“You may eat freely from every tree of the garden,
but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil;
for in the day that you eat of it, you will surely die

1. The above verse sir is a lesson in obedience.

Of course, it is a lesson in obedience, however it is more than my dear lady madam sister friend. Fyi, one of the bigger picture of this, is that, this is a test luvmijeje.

The test of a man, just like as happened to A&E, in the garden of Eden, is to have something too attractive and tempting before him and her, to see how or how not he/her will do when no God and/or one is watching. Will he/she resist the urge and/or temptation to steal. lol.

luvmijeje:
2. There is no nothing wrong with the tree of knowledge of good and evil. The tree is just like every tree in the garden.

Did you read anyone say, there was anything wrong with the TKGE, huh?

Of course, TKGE was just like every other tree in the garden of Eden, but it was for a very good and strong reason, specifically classified as out of bounds to A&E. What are you yapping about now and arguing blindly over, especially, if it is a fact that, the fruit of the TKGE was outside the limits of what A&E were permitted to eat, huh? Smh.

luvmijeje:
What brought down Adam and Eve is not the fruit they ate. It is disobedience. What do I mean? Gen 3 :22
And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil:
and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever

Emphasis on one of us. God himself is a carrier of good and evil.

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So what about "one of us" hmm?
Why didnt you finish the sentence nah? Why quarter heart quoting a verse that when properly quoted, says: "Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil". Hmm?

Fyi, luvmijeje, what Genesis 3:22 was expressing, is that man, because of eating the fruit off the TKGE, has now aligned himself into a position to start experiencing and coming into contact with the whole spectrum of what is good and what is evil, lol, just as like the Godhead.

luvmijeje, I am 10000% sure, you dont know what the meaning of the TKGE is because if you did you would have given me an answer when I repeatedly earlier asked you, lol.

luvmijeje, everyday is a school day, lol and so fyi, if you still havent grasped anything, just learn this one here today, that the TKGE or the Tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil figure of speech, is a merism. I am 10000% sure you dont appreciate and know that the Good, in that context, is translated from a word, that means and typifies "Beautiful" and the Evil, in that context, is translated from a word, that means and typifies "Adversity".

So, the "Beautiful", means and represents, all and everything in between, thats dandy and good and the "Adversity", means and represents, every hardship, bad and ugly, difficult or unpleasant situation that possibly can happen.

Once A&E ate the fruit off the TKGE, it paved the way for them, to begin having first hand experiences of several shades and/or parts of all that's "Beautiful" and all that's "Adversity" They essentially and officially have become gods, positioned themselves to begin judging between beautiful and adversity. Good times & bad times, what's pretty & what's ugly, what's bitter & what's sweet, what's pain & what's pleasure, what's orgasmic & what's frigid, screams & whispers, laughing & crying, smiling & frowning, commotion & tranquility, mourning & jollification partying, hard life & easy life, poverty & wealth, sickness & healthy, strong & weak etcetera

luvmijeje, the fact of the matter is that, A&E after eating the fruit, opened up a "Pandora box" and the floodgate for all sorts of by-products, the whole shebang spectrum of all that's "Beautiful" and all that's "Adversity" was unleashed into A&E's world.

luvmijeje:
There is nothing wrong with that tree of knowledge of Good and Evil. What was wrong is disobedience. They ate it when they were told otherwise.

Of course they isnt anything wrong with the TKGE. The dutifully, was serving its purpose for being there in the garden, lol. You can say that again about what was wrong is disobedience, but it also was wrong to take without permission another person's property lol.

luvmijeje:
3. The tree of knowledge of good and evil is only figurative and not literal.

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Smh and Jesus wept.
I guess you're, sooner or later, next going to also say A&E are only figurative and not literal, hmm, lol?

luvmijeje:
4. The die is also figurative and not literal.

"but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil; for in the day that you eat of it, you will surely die.”"
- Genesis 2:17

When will you begin to stop all this half hearted nonsensical interpretation of bible text, huh? luvmijeje, you never cease to amaze me with your unthinkingly interpretation of bible tex.

Listen luvmijeje watch and read this. OK, here's the thing about Genesis 2:17 above luvmijeje. The "surely" part, is an important first keyword, it is all about guaranteeing something. It is God, with a strong sense of certainty, lol, giving His word about/over something, while the "die" part is a second significant keyword and the something, it's what being guaranteed that will happen if/when the fruit of the TKGE is taken to eat.

luvmijeje:
What stop Adam and Eve from living forever is not because they eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. It is because they stop having access to the tree of life which they had access to before their disobedience. What do I mean ? Gen 2 : 9
⁹And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil

Look at you making a dog's right dinner of the whole of Genesis 3:22

You have at every level, corner, stop etcetera brutally butchered Genesis 3:22. You've made a right mess of Genesis 3:22 and spoiled the the interpretation with your unconvincing, unimpressive hermeneutic and poor taste eisegesis, smh.

Yes fyi luvmijeje, in the original Hebrew text, where and/or when God said, "... thou shall surely die", The "surely die" comment, has the meaning, translated as "slow death", lol, and the meaning, conveys, a sense and reality of gradually ceasing to be, lol. It is, as it were, merely stating emphatically and/or publicly, to A&E, that, the moment after eating, they will have a gradual fading and/or die away existence, lol.

Now, true to God's words, the thing He particularly warned Adam about, happened when A&E ate the fruit, though spiritual death, first instantly happened. Oh, for your benefit luvmijeje, shadeyinka and others interested, spiritual death, simply means, the departure of man’s spirit from his body, leading to a separation of man and God (i.e. man no longer having "unmetered" contact with God). I digress, back on track, true to God's promise, man did die. He died spiritually death first and physical death, is the end of the "slow death" Adam was told of. After A&E's spiritual death, the process of decline and deterioration kicked in. Everything, over time, will begin going down and/or looking south. At the end of the decline, deterioration, body organ failings, aging etcetera, lol comes and so, we have, an awaiting physical death.

Yep, it surely, as God warned and guaranteed, from spiritual death to physical death, is a slow death, indeed for man, lol. It was a slow, 930 years long, before Adam died, lol. The slow tick, tock, tick, tock, mortality clock came alive and started to tick tock tick tock from after the lunge at the fruit and subsequent eating of it. Thou shalt surely die, essentially is what man truly is doing and putting into good practice. Man, the second he is born, is dying. Is having a slow death, just as warned and/or promised by God that it will certainly happen, lol

luvmijeje:
Since you are a slow learner.

"If you need wisdom, ask our generous God, and he will give it to you.
He will not rebuke you for asking."
- James 1:5

Look at coal calling snow black, lol. The joke is on you. What an irony.

luvmijeje:
Let's go back again to Gen 2:16-17

And the LORD God commanded him, “You may eat freely from every tree of the garden,
but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil;
for in the day that you eat of it, you will surely die

Instruction 1 : Eat from every tree of the garden and live
Instruction 2 : Eat from from the tree of knowledge of good and evil and die

"As I said Faith. Not reality.

Stop trying to make fetch happen

luvmijeje:
Bullshit response. Was it actually stealing.

Capital YES. It was stealing, A&E didnt have God's permission to eat that fruit, they stole it.

luvmijeje:
Afterall God gave them dominion over every trees Gen 1: 29

And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

Stealing is taking what is not yours. They took what is rightfully been promised to them.

Be fooling yourselg there, lol

luvmijeje:
What foolish questions. A young lady was taken against her wills. Rape repeatedly. Humiliated. Shamed. And you still have the gut to ask what evil was done. I spit on you. The only crime Leah committed was to be at the wrong place at the wrong time.

I have tried using style to correct you, but you still are none the wiser. This is how and why you interpret the bible upside down, when you turn everything thing about it on its head. Now tell me, do you know how to tell Dinah apart from Leah, huh, madam oversabi?

luvmijeje:
Says the man who's daughter was raped by his son. Who's son became his number 1 enemy. Who buried 3 of his children. Who also inflicted evils on others. Didn't he sleep with someone's else wife. yeah right.

What is the man's name and what is his daughter's name? If you couldnt get your facts right, you shouldnt be trusted with the bible alone. You dont know the understanding of the importance of telling the truth and not being disrespectful to God/Jesus

luvmijeje:
Again a foolish question. If we are going to go by biblical account. The first evil is committed by God

Here we go again, smh. You're unbalanced and unhinged. You have screws left loose and/or undone in your head, smh.

luvmijeje:
He is the first carrier of good and evil. Want do I mean? Gen 1 : 22

²² And the Lord God said,
Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil:
and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever

Emphasis again one of us, to know good and evil. In Gen 1 God said man was created in his image but above verse revealed it is not true.

Do you see, how you repeatedly, youhave been showing yourself up now, hmm luvmijeje?

luvmijeje, when an Artist is painting an image, does the likeness of the painting image, instantly or at once appear, or it is a gradual emerging appearance of the likeness that happens, lol? We are sketched in the image of the Godhead, but the likeness/resemblance to the Godhead progressing takes place slowly with every stroke of the Artist's painting brush lol. You wouldnt know anything about all this luvmijeje, all you best at doing is slandering and calling everyone including God evil and a liar, lol

luvmijeje:
It was when man went against his instruction that it was revealed that it wasn't true. God lied. After death, the biggest evil is lies. God lied

Smh. You dont know jackshit meme. I pity you.

luvmijeje:
According to the verse above, emphasis the land that is not their own. They raped, they killed, they lied, they coveted someone's property based on what Abraham said God told him. What was the different between what the Israelite did and Boko-haram. After all they are also carrying out evil in the name of God.

"The earth is the LORD's, and everything in it, the world, and all who live in it;"
- Psalm 24:1

Are you sane at all? Are you for real, hmm luvmijeje? Does Psalm 24:1 above have any positive meaning to you, erhn?

luvmijeje:
They raped, they killed, they lied, they coveted someone's property based on what Abraham said God told him. What was the different between what the Israelite did and Boko-haram. After all they are also carrying out evil in the name of God.

Go siddon your smello self somewhere jor. The different between what the Israelite did and Boko-haram are:
1/ Boko-haram are a bunch of hypocrites, liars and ungodly lot. If "Western" or "non-Islamic" education really is a sin, why do Boko-haram make use of western innovations, technologies, luxuries, modern artifacts etcetera?
2/ The Israelite carried out judgement as per commanded by God, while Boko-haram carries out evil in the name of God and without being commanded by God

Peacefullove:
The moment you speak anything contrary to his myth using the same Bible , you are automatically a Jehovah's witness . I don't even border to address that anymore .

Needs to get that complex sorted out

shadeyinka:
MuttleyLaff,
Are you a Jehovah's witness?
They believe that a Spirit is just a Life giving force (inanimate) which returns to God (hence a dead man becomes unconscious). Peacefullove went on to say that soul is equivalent to blood wet Rev 6:9-11 where he said their soul crying out means their blood crying out.

So knowing that they believe that angels are spirits with no bodies: if we stretch their definition of spirit as life giving force, the question is : what is an angels spirit giving life to?

So, you see why you shouldn't jump into this!

shadeyinka, just mull over what I've so far advanced and wait for when I am actively back here in the late PM. Sebi nah truth and proper understanding you want erhn? Then wait nah, it'll be worth the waiting.

luvmijeje:
Oga calm down, I will explain it to you in an ABC format, so that brain will be able to assimilate and in order to stop you from asking repetitive questions.

Just follow simple instructions. Dont dodge question, dont sign post me to any previously worthless answers you've given. Answer the questions in the numbered formats asked too. Also no going off tangent and rambling about nonsense. None of your sneaky manoeuvres

shadeyinka:
*Proud Armedonia!
Okay o!

Since I cannot handle, bite and swallow the meat of the distinction/function of the soul and the spirit, so.. for now, and in simpler way because I have gotten confused, I Ask you to shed more detailed light and illumination is also required.

You couldnt resist not calling me names first before asking for light. Smh. You'll just have to wait for that, because as it is, I have work to go to.

shadeyinka:
Instead of answering politely the question I asked you, you are busy sidestepping it to ask a diversionary question.

The question again if you are confused.

I asked you again:
If angels are spirits (life giving force), what is their spirit giving life since they don't have a body?
(Note: At least it could make sense to say that the life giving force of a man gives life to his body)

They exist on another dimension. They dont need a body. Bodies are required for any being considering to legally operate and/or live on earth. What you see about angels when they appear visibly and are physically seen with the naked eyes are glorified bodies and/or hologram bodies, for lack of a better word.

shadeyinka:
I can see that you believe there is a difference between the soul and the spirit which is good and on the right path. However, you have not really defined each except that the spirit makes the soul a living soul.

So, what is the distinction/function of the soul and the spirit?

Very good question, but I am not convinced you can handle, bite and swallow the meat of the distinction/function of the soul and the spirit, so for now, and in simpler way, the soul is the gateway and/or conduit that connects the body, your body and its five basic senses plus the others with your the spirit, your spirit-man, and the Spirit. Lol. hope you havent yet gotten confused. Ask me to shed more detailed light, if illumination is required, lol