₦airaland Forum

AntiChristian:
You won't be granted such chance to lean on your wife's lap in life! Your parents did that and you never blamed them right?

Anyways your Jesus is cursed by Yahweh that's why he was hanged!
May you be crucified like Jesus of the Bible!

PervertProphet:
God forbid that!

I am not a follower of the dirtbag who enjoined reading and reciting the qur'an amidst menstrual blood.

You are more likely made that way. Dirtbag Pedophile.

Hadith
أَخْبَرَنَا مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ مَنْصُورٍ، عَنْ سُفْيَانَ، عَنْ مَنْبُوذٍ، عَنْ أُمِّهِ، أَنَّ مَيْمُونَةَ، قَالَتْ كَانَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم يَضَعُ رَأْسَهُ فِي حِجْرِ إِحْدَانَا فَيَتْلُو الْقُرْآنَ وَهِيَ حَائِضٌ وَتَقُومُ إِحْدَانَا بِالْخُمْرَةِ إِلَى الْمَسْجِدِ فَتَبْسُطُهَا وَهِيَ حَائِضٌ ‏.‏
Maimunah said:

"The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) used to lay his head in the lap of one of us while she was menstruating and recite Qur'an, and one of us would take the mat to the Masjid and spread it out while she was menstruating."
Sunan an-Nasa'i
English : Vol. 1, Book 1, Hadith 274
Arabic : Book 1, Hadith 275
Sunan an-Nasai

Such a dirty man who recites quran during incidents such as these.

AntiChristian:
Menstrual doesn't disturb recitation! Have you ever checked the laws your God prescribed for menstruating women in the OT?

It was a foolish law. No wonder your Lord had to review the OT.

You're out of order, my dear fellow Muslim brother. Let this be your first and last time disrespecting God and/or dissing instructions He had given.

The instruction for a nation of people travelling in the dry, hot and arid desert to the Promised Land to be hygiene conscious was a wise one. I am 10000% sure you'll be the first to accept and agree that personal hygiene and/or general cleanliness, especially in that challenging circumstance, is the first step to good health.

Let me, break the matter down for you a bit, my dear Muslim wet behind the ears brother, so you dont crack your milk teeth, lol. You see AntiChristian, you're actually right that seminal fluid and/or menstrual blood discharges, in themselves, are not necessarily impure, dirty, nasty and/or evil. In fact, seminal fluid and/or menstrual blood discharge are symbols. Take for example, the woman's body, the Seed promised in Genesis 3:15, the bloodline should be safeguarded, you would agree, right. The blood discharged during the menstrual cycle is a symbolism of the fall and death and so just like men after seminal discharge needs to, women during menstrual cycle too require purification. Now all that jagbanjatis, is no longer necessary because the Seed, promised the woman, has come, has been, has gone, has died, has resurrected and on the strength of that, has redeemed us from the curse of the law and death. Are you still with me, or have I left you behind, lol, and hence lost you, lol.

AntiChristian:
You are quoting Corinthians which is Paul's letter to one church like that!

Your Gospel was preached! Good!

Ours was revealed and written during Jesus time. And mind you Jesus doesn't know Luke, Mark and Paul during while alive. Luke was a historian or story writer.

And the Injeel revealed to Jesus won't contain how he was born or how he died!

Just like the Torah won't contain how Moses was born or how he died!

So in conclusion, Injeel and Torah are lost! And the Bible ain't it.

You know that you are a clown right, hmm? You're a clown thats not good at all at being funny, lol.

If Jesus knows Abraham, lol, if Jeremiah was known, before he was formed in the belly, why wouldnt Luke, Mark and Paul be known to Jesus?

Of course, Luke was a historian or story writer. He was an investigative historian or story writer.

Though not surprising to me, it is obvious than ever before, that you have no real understanding as to who Jesus is and even what the Gospel is smh.

Please humour me, with your answers to the following simple, easy, direct and straightforward questions:
1/ What is the English meaning of Torah, lol?
2/ Please list what the five books in the Torah are?
3/ What are Exodus 2:1-10 and Deuteronomy 34:1-8 talking about?
4/ Where is the original Quran, where is the original Quran, not copies, kept, lol?

AntiChristian:
Hypocrisy why not quote Luke 1 vs 1-4?

This just confirms that your Bible is not Injeel or Torah!

"And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature."
- Mark 16:15

There is no hypocrisy. That Luke 1 vs 1-4 is obeying Jesus' command in Mark 16:15, to exactly spread the Gospel to the whole wide world.

AntiChristian:
Your own Gospel was preached by Jesus and not written! And was written long after the death of Jesus.

Our Injeel was revealed to "Eesa" and was written during his life time.

NT isn't Injeel.
OT isn't Torah!

"³But I am afraid, lest by any means, as the serpent in his craftiness deceived Eve, your minds might be corrupted from the simplicity and the purity in Christ.
⁴For if indeed the one coming proclaims another Jesus whom we did not proclaim, or you receive a different spirit whom you did not receive, or a different gospel which you did not accept, you are bearing with it well."
- 2 Corinthians 11:3-4

"⁵For many will come in My name, saying, 'I am the Christ,' and they will mislead many
¹¹Many false prophets will arise and will mislead many.
²⁴For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect."
- Matthew 24:5, 11 & 24

"You will recognize them by their fruits.
Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?"
- Matthew 7:16

Of course, the Gospel is in the New Testament, namely Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, and the same Gospel was promised in the Old Testament, as far back and early in Genesis 3:15.

1/ "Our Injeel was revealed to "Eesa" and was written during His life time." is a fraud and a different gospel.
2/ Who was the author of this so called "our Injeel was revealed to "Eesa" and was written during His life time."?

AntiChristian:
Where is the proof that Injeel is the Bible?

[img]https://s4/images/ezgif-3-3fb57fe75db8.jpg[/img]
"The Good News (i.e. Gospel) was promised long ago by God through his prophets, as written in the Holy Scriptures."
- Romans 1:2

"The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;"
- Mark 1:1

"¹⁴Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,
¹⁵And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel."
- Mark 1:14-15

"And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people"
- Matthew 4:23

AntiChristian:
Based on Injeel means it is different from Injeel and derived from it. That means the Injeel is lost and not among the Bible books!

You're unbelievable. Injeel is alive, it is the same proclaimed, announced, preached and taught by Jesus (i.e. that's Isa to you, lol) 2000 years ago, that is now, mister AntiChristian olodo nla rapata upon twenty, smh.

FOLYKAZE:
One may have a subjective and bias viewpoint, and such can be forgiven when the opinion when it is based on little or lack of rightful details or information. With this Muttley, I forgive you 'cuz you lack proper knowledge of what you are saying.

May I provoke your curiosity?

I wish to inform you sir, that the bible is not the rightful source information when history is the peculiar point of discourse. Reasons are;

1. The gospel was written not as a eye witness account, and as such cannot be held liable as a primary source of information. Secondary sources of info are not reliable.

2. The earliest manuscript of the gospel, judging by the textual format was written somewhere around 60yrs after the death of Christ. This make the manuscript prone to lot of distortions and fabrications by the author.

3. Gospel of Mark is the known earliest manuscript. The gospel of Luke, John and Matthew were all copied directly from Mark gospel. With the limited information in the Gospel of Mark, it is established that every added accounts and details in remaining other gospels are fabrications.

4. The author of the gospels are not known till date, and as such their writings cannot be trusted.

5. The inconsistencies, contradictions and inputting errors indicate the bible contain element of falsification.

6. The canonization of the Bible justified the Council chiefs only cherry picked accounts that suit their propaganda, leaving out and outrightly destroying contrary works. This makes the bible not trustworthy or acceptable as source of information.

7. Thomas Jefferson removed divinities and miracles from his Bible. This goes to say other Bible containing miracles and divinities were probably later thought work for evangelical purposes.

8. The miracles and divinities contained in the bible are not tenable in the scientific and historical sense.

I can go on and on sir. Sorry to burst your bible Ore... Lol

With those listed argument, no one would admit the bible account as truth.

You can now go on fact findings on what I stated there.

"Then He appointed twelve of them and called them His apostles.
They were to accompany him, and He would send them out to preach,"
- Mark 3:14.

"¹Many people have set out to write accounts about the events that have been fulfilled among us.
²They used the eyewitness reports circulating among us from the early disciples.
³Having carefully investigated everything from the beginning, I also have decided to write an accurate account for you, most honorable Theophilus,
⁴so you can be certain of the truth of everything you were taught."
- Luke 1:1-4

Eyewitnesses accounts, investigative work etcetera helped in building up what we have as Bible today. FOLYKAZE, dear friend, the Bible may hurt with the truth, but it will never descend to comfort you with a lie. The point in there, is that there is no lie about God, in the Bible

FOLYKAZE:
When you said you have other historical sources and documents, I thought you have something at hand which everyone ain't aware of. Look closely at the OP, Josephus and Tacitus were both mentioned and their writings summarily dismissed. I had thought my learned friend, Muttley is bringing reasons why Tacitus and Josephus Testimonium should be accepted, but we have you recounting and repeating dismissed and boring secondary and tertiary details.

Just in case you haven't see my argument against the Testimonium, I will grant you as a Val gift in this post. Shall we?

When someone ask you to historical sources and documents on a historic person, you should provide primary sourced information, not secondary or tertiary.

According to wiki:
Take a closer look at the details sir. Primary source, in history, is a source of information that was created at the time under study..

There lies the problem of Christians who struggle to prove Jesus existed historically. The information provided are majorly secondary sourced information written many decades after death of Jesus, none is from eye witness. Adding salt to the injury, known authors of these submitted works were born after the death of Jesus, which tells that they sourced their information primarily from hearsay and traditions which possibly been distorted and reconstructed.

Like Kameron Searle said: A history, whose author draws conclusions from other than primary sources or secondary sources actually based on primary sources, is by definition fiction and not history at all..

Josephus and Tacitus works are secondary sourced resources which amount to fiction.

From another perspective, the history of Josephus and Tacitus works are well known. A snippet which I would love to share with you.

Josephus first project, The Jewish War, started around 74 AD, after he had established his office in Rome around 71 AD, during the reign of Emperor Vespasian and his son Titus. Josephus completed writing his second project somewhere around 92 AD.

The identification of time 71 AD, and the correct identification of Ruler of Rome of the time Vespasian gives credence to the writing as authentic work. In reality, Josephus was only writing about the clamping down on first century christians by Emperor Nero, agitation of the christians, sack of Jerusalem by Cestius Gallus, and the total destruction of Jerusalem and the temple by General Titus.

It is important to note that Apostle Paul writings abruptly stopped around 68 AD after Emperor Nero order he is beheaded, after the wall fire. And also note that there were unknown authored writings, hearsay and traditions about Jesus which Apostle Paul actually learned about him from. I guess he called the tradition, creed. Between 68 AD and 92 AD, there is 28yrs of time, and 100+yrs after Jesus purportedly lived.

With an ample of time, Josephus was only writing base on the popular tradition of the first century Christians. Moreover, there are no extant (surviving) manuscripts of Josephus' works that can be dated before the 11th century, and the oldest of these were copied by Christian monks.

Base on the above, one can conclude that;

1. Josephus work is secondary resources.. And as such can't be accepted.
2. He probably referenced hearsay and popular traditions which are not reliable as his primary source
3. Judging on textual relationship of his first work The Jewish war, and second work the Antiquity, there is huge evidence of interpolation and fraud
4. Is original works are not yet found. Testimonium is only found in the copies from Christian monks, millennium after Josephus death. Which could be reasonably altered.

On Tacitus. He wrote the Annas around 116 AD. We know he is a member of Tacitus was a member of the Quindecimviri sacris faciundis , a council of priests whose duty it was to supervise foreign religious cults in Rome. Without mentioning is source or reference, one can conclude that even as the Van Voorst of the council, he was writing base on the popular knowledge on traditional stories of Jesus.

Therefore;

1. Tacitus was born 25yrs after the death of Jesus. He wrote his work 116yrs after Christ death. He is not an eye witness.
2. Annas is not from the primary source. There were popular traditions and unfounded unsubstantiated claims by Christians he prolly copied from.
All the way long, you still have to provide information from primary sources because it can be admitted

All this laborious and strained write up just because I mentioned only two out of others with historical sources and documents, hmm?

FOLYKAZE:
At the stage, I think it is important to be mindful and curious about the raw and original details of your claim that Jehovah was carnally given birth to as Jesus. Much of these details like when, how, where, by whom and explicit evidences would easily help identify if you know what you are saying, and if what you are saying is indeed fact.

So we are starting, all over again with the first query, tell us when he actually come via birth canal?

"As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd raised her voice and said,
“Blessed is the womb that bore You, and blessed are the breasts that nursed You.”"
- Luke 11:27

FOLYKAZE, aside the useful and informative Luke 11:27 above, are you remotely familiar with this famous comment: "he who does not enter by the door, into the fold of the sheep, but climbs up some other way, he is a thief and a robber."

FOLYKAZE:
Yet again, repeating the same mistake, you refuse to address my question. You slip and took wrong steps, maybe you ain't having a close look at the details. Let me help.

The initial question:

The answer you provided tend to lump and address the whole questions as one. You said:
"The short answer is, it is drawn from and/or based on, conviction , faith and available/known historic facts out in there"

Do you see the flaw? Let me play it again...

Mr F: when is your hope and confidence when since the account have no basis in history?

Mr M: my hope is drawn from conviction, faith and history.

Mr F: what is the basis of your faith

Mr M: the basis of my faith is faith.

C'mon now FOLYKAZE, I carefully choose how I respond to you. I have not, did not and never did use only faith, in response to "the basis of my faith ...". Where you materialised that from, only you know.

FOLYKAZE:
Does that make sense to you? I bet No!

Of course, it wont make sense and thats because that is something you concocted.

FOLYKAZE:
If you have watched critically, I added basis is between historical fact or historical fictions. But you are all over the places. Lol

If you really wanted to abide by what basis means, then you wouldnt have any problems with my response that: "The short answer is, it is drawn from and/or based on, conviction, faith and available/known
historic facts out in there" Those three are the hinges that fastens and holds my faith on to the door

FOLYKAZE:
With respect I have for you, brother, can you tell us the basis of your faith presently? And note, you should be prepared to defend whatever you pick. Shalom!

My brother, my brother, I know you arent keen on sermons, lol. but hey, of course, you know and will be the first to admit that, faith, is a currency and one such that works everywhere. FOLYKAZE, when you went to bed last night, on what basis, did you believe and/or have faith, that you will wake up, still in the land of the living, to read this post, erhn? Dare I say it FOLYKAZE, hmm? Is it conviction?

FOLYKAZE:
Here we go again. Can you please keep the sermon for Sunday. It's Val today.

It's OK to be mushy, especially on a day like Val's, but then, it's better to understand things instead of hiding from them, lol.

FOLYKAZE:
Need I tell you again that the Paul Doubt and Fear I am on about is in 1 Corinthian 15:3,14,17. I wasn't asking you to tell me about 1 cor 15. Precision is what matters here Muttley.

If you can keep eye on the details in 1 Corinthian 15:3,14,17 you will see all details about his doubt. Falling over places would make us loose focus sir.

And if yet, you can't find the detail, point out to me and I will explain, my dear friend.

Do you know that pride and conceit were part of the original sin of man, hmm FOLYKAZE? When people quote a text(s) out of context, they are nine times out of ten, quoting it/them under pretext. You see FOLYKAZE, context is king, if you read a text(s) in isolation, just like you've done singly out 1 Corinthians 15:3,14 and 17 then you're under a pretext and pretending yourself. If you read 1 Corinthians 15:3,14 and 17 in context, you'll find that this is about a letter written, dedicated to teaching about the ins and outs resurrection of Jesus Christ

Lukuluku69:
All words. Hot air. And I know the Moniker. I will buzz you mate.

... and I'll swat you, just like a pesky fly that you are

Lukuluku69:
We have gone past lolling the new word is drubbing and 12 out of 10, I am sure to get one.

Are you this thick really. Look at the moniker ID, lol will always be associated with it. I am lolling right now, but you dont know 'cos I havent typed it out

Lukuluku69:
Which apple I spoil jare? Be kind enough to let me know.

Thats for me to know and for you to find out. Happy hunting as you go about your want to know, lol.

Lukuluku69:
Ok. The drubbing is only in your head. Keep repeating it.

You get beat, hands down, 12 times out 10.

Lukuluku69:
I am rotten because?

You're a rotten bad apple that spoils the bunch.

Lukuluku69:
Honest mistakes, lies, ignorance, and a drubbing. Bros, those are only in your head.

I'll admit a brother/sister/my fault and wouldnt sweep it under the carpet or hide it. As for you, the more you raise your head over the parapet, the more knock downs and drubbing you'll get. Make sure you have a cast iron protective helmet on, lol

Lukuluku69:
Patience bruv. Patience.

Patience kọ, Mama Peace Jonathan ni. You're rotten to the core, you dont deserve mercy or the luxury of patience

Lukuluku69:
Already here with the windy post! Don't worry we will sort us out sometimes!

Extra ordinary ignorance, will always require an equally extra ordinary windy post to counter the lies, knowledge gaps and misunderstanding that brought on the ignorance

Lukuluku69:
Bros, go back and read the guy post and come back here and tell me if is not a YabaLeft inmate.

It was a simple honest mistake, there's nothing lunatic in what he typed

Lukuluku69:
The Jews take Enoch and Solomon as Prophets. They both have books by their hands. Moses quoted from the Book of Enoch, Jude quoted from the book of Enoch. So bros, spit all you want, I will go with the Jews. Their ancestors compiled those books. To be sure, please Download or check the Old Testament, Solomon's books are grouped under the Prophets.

Solomon was the prophetic King of the Israelites. He was not a prophet. It is you my Muslim brother in your Islamic tradition/belief, who sees Solomon as being a prophet, the Bible nor God ever classed Solomon as a prophet. Some Jews believing Solomon was a prophet, doesnt make him be a prophet. You will never find God anywhere say Solomon prophesised, lol, and you can take this comment to the bank. You haven't a scooby doo idea what you're talking of. Please, dont get me started on Enoch

Lukuluku69:
Melchizedek? The Bible says or rather Paul wrote "without father, without mother no beginning of day etc and you are saying it simply means no one know his father or mother? Allow me to lol too! The YabaLeft inmates you came to defend says Jesus was Melchizedek. The irony! Like I said before, we will sort us out when the time comes. Patience bruv.

You'll will 12 times out 10, always go back with a drubbing, with bruises to go lick to serve as a sourvenier and remembrance, lol

Lukuluku69:
Anyone born of a woman can not be God as you guys claimed so let Mary's son healed the blind, wash the Leprous clean, He is not god

So says who? You? Are you then God ni? Do you at all, know what the meaning of I AM is? Smh.

Lukuluku69:
When you stop ranting like a YabaLeft Patient, you will learn a thing or two.

It's actually you who if you should stop ranting like a YabaLeft Patient, you will learn a thing or two.

Lukuluku69:
So, Adam, Enoch, David, Solomon were not Prophets?

Adam and David were Prophets, but not Enoch and Solomon

Lukuluku69:
The Jews that you inherited the Old Testament from call them ALL Prophets but you DELUDED Someone thinks otherwise.

Enoch and Solomon were never called prophets by God. Enoch by some Jews believing in fake news read that Enoch prophesied. Solomon, on the other hand, is deemed a prophet only in Islam by Muslim brothers like yourself Lukuluku69. This sentiment of Solomon being a prophet, isnt mentioned anywhere in the Bible and is not something believed to be so by Bible believing people, lol

Lukuluku69:
The fact that it was recorded that Jesus never married does not make him what you lots say he is. John The Baptist, did he marry? And if you claim Jesus was begotten by the holy spirit, what about Melchizedek? He has no father, no mother. No beginning of days nor end to it!

Smh

MuttleyLaff:
Tithing originated from a Mesopotamia practice that prevailed pre and post the Abraham's living days. Abraham paid tithe after winning a fighting battle over four kings. The practice and onus was upon the victor of such or any battle/war to give a tenth of the spoils of war to a reputable priest cum ruler of his/her choice. Abraham decided that Melchizedek is his choice, so paid the tenth/tithe to him, received a blessing, and the rest of the story is now history.

Melchizedek was a ruler cum priest of the Most God, but didn't know God same way Abraham did or have the same kind of relationship Abraham had with God. This is evidenced on how Abraham corrected Melchizedek after he misaddressed God

"No one knows anything about Melchizedek's father, mother, or ancestors.
No one knows when he was born or when he died. Like the Son of God, Melchizedek continues to be a priest forever."
- Hebrews 7:3

Lukuluku69, fyi, Melchizedek was no more and no less a human being just as like you and I are.

Melchizedek, as seen from the above quote, taken from a past comment of mine, made on a different thread, was a reputable earthly human king and at the same time, a priest

Now, Lukuluku69, what the Bible, with the phrase "... without beginning or end ..." in relation to Melchizedek meant, is that much of Melchizedek's life, in terms of his birth and/or death is shrouded in mystery, meaning that no one at all, knew when he was given birth to and no one knew when died, and so the reason why, though of course, he was given birth to and died, he still, is said to be one "... without beginning or end ..." This all because of the absence and lack of recorded genealogical recorded data about him. Incidentally, it is this particular part and fact about Melchizedek of apparent "... no beginning and/or no end ...," that Hebrews 7:3 was capturing and mentioning to draw attention to.

Lukuluku69:
At least we know Jesus came via Mary's VJ,
He sucked Mary's Bwest too.

[img]https://s5/images/ezgif-3-c28892893f59.gif[/img]
Yeah, so what?
Shey make we go fry beans cos of that ni, hmm?

"Mary did you know that your baby boy will give sight to a blind man?
Mary did you know that your baby boy will calm a storm with His hand?
Did you know that your baby boy has walked where angels trod?
When you kiss your little baby, you kiss the face of God
Mary did you know? Mary did you know? Mary did you know?
Mary did you know? Mary did you know? Mary did you know?
The blind will see, the deaf will hear, the dead will live again
The lame will leap, the dumb will speak, the praises of the lamb
Mary did you know that your baby boy is Lord of all creation?
Mary did you know that your baby boy would one day rule the nations?
Did you know that your baby boy is heaven's perfect lamb?
That sleeping child you're holding is the great I AM
Mary did you know? Mary did you know? Mary did you know?
Mary did you know? Mary did you know? Mary did you know? Oh, Mary did you know?"
- Songwriters: Lyrics written by Mark Lowry in 1984 & Music written by Buddy Greene in 1991

"As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd raised her voice and said,
“Blessed is the womb that bore You, and blessed are the breasts that nursed You.”"
- Luke 11:27

Lukuluku69, can you see how you're making unnecessary much ado fuss out of really nothing, hmm? So what, if Jesus came via Mary's VJ and He sucked Mary's Bwest too. Praise God. Alleluia for that. Keep in mind, that, he who does not enter by the door into the fold of the sheep, but climbs up some other way, he is a thief and a robber.

Lukuluku69:
Are you done on readings about Solomon's birth? Did David deserves to be after God's own heart?

David is human. Human beings make mistake. God knows David was a man after His own heart, but because of the blood of an innocent man on his hands, wouldnt permit him to build the temple, but passed on that privilege to Solomon.

Lukuluku69:
Stop ranting because of your hatred you come across as a Lunatic :-)

Hmm. Smh. What an irony. Coal, calling snow, that's white, black, lol.

AntiChristian:
Trying to change topic now?
Is Okay!

We are still on topic

AntiChristian:
Injeel given to "Eesa is lost! Your Gospel of Matthew, Mark, Luke & John ain't it!

The Synoptic Gospels of Matthew, Mark, and Luke along with John's are based on Injeel, the Gospel proclaimed, announced, preached and taught by Jesus (i.e. that's Isa to you, lol).

AntiChristian:
Your OT ain't Torah! Torah was revealed to Moses!
So when David was killing Uriah and sleeping with his wife was that also about Jesus? You said everything in bold up there!

"Jesus said to them, “These are the words I spoke to you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about Me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets, and the Psalms.”"
- Luke 24:44

"Your father Abraham rejoiced that he would see My day. He saw it and was glad."
- John 8:56

Keep on deceiving yourself behaving as if you really don't know what the "everything" in that sentence means. That slippery serpent archetype belly-ache, lol, AntiChristian always again at it, misunderstanding scripture and making a dog's dinner out of it, lol

The law and prophecies were revealed to Moses and the prophets. Do you at all know the reason why Moses and Elijah appeared in form of a vision that the trio Peter, John and James together and at once witnessed on the Mount of Transfiguration, hmm? I very much doubt you do my dear Muslim brother friend else you wouldn't be embarrassing yourself with your public show of lack of basic bible knowledge

AntiChristian:
Injeel for "Eesa!
Torah For Musa
Zabur for Dawud
Qur'an for Muhammad

And in their footsteps, We sent 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), confirming the Taurat (Torah) that had come before him, and We gave him the Injeel (Gospel), in which was guidance and light and confirmation of the Taurat (Torah) that had come before it, a guidance and an admonition for Al-Muttaqun (the pious - see V. 2:2).
Qur'an 5 vs 46

Thank you very much my dear Muslim brother. Yep, Injeel is the Gospel, the Good News, lol.

Everything in the Torah is pointing to and was talking about Eesa, lol, the promised Saviour of the world

AntiChristian:
The Injeel was given to 'Eesa himself. Not written years after him by mostly people he knew not while alive.

Don't force yourself to be a liar for Christ.

What did Eesa Himself come to earth to announce, hmm? When Issa was on earth what was it called what He was preaching, hmm my Muslim brother

C'mon now, don't play the ignorance card here

AntiChristian:
Sorry! No vex!

Save the sorry and no vex for yourself

AntiChristian:
Is the injeel the gospel according to Matthew, Mark, Luke and John?

Its the other way round

AntiChristian:
Paul's letter to the Corinthians! Is that one Injeel

My Belly o!

I already know that comprehension is a challenge for you, besides English language isnt your first tongue, so I forgive you and excuse your inability to understand what "based upon the teaching of Injeel " means, lol

May be if you stand on feet, and not be crawling on your belly, your belly wont sore so much. Oopsy daisy, I almost forgot, that you have no legs to stand on, lol

AntiChristian:
Are you the people of the book? And which book? Injeel and Torah? Where is it? Yours is Bible. Not Injeel nor Torah!
Please go back to your leave!

Injeel or Torah, whichever takes your fancy. Both those provided 1 Corinthians 7:12-17 and 1 Peter 3:1 verses are based upon the teaching of Injeel and are very useful and informative, lol, so go somewhere to sit down, tuck your tail in and go lick your bruise. With you lurking about and slitering all over the place, there is no chance for leave. We are 365 24 7 open for business because of your likes and/or ilks.

AntiChristian:
Actually it is NOT OK! Let everyone marry someone from their religion!

As obtained from a Christian website https://christianity.net.au/questions/is_it_ok_for_a_christian_to_marry_a_muslim

My answer to that is going to be a "no,” but I hope you would read my explanation below. It would be helpful for us to look at the Bible’s definitions of what is a Christian and what is a Muslim.

A Christian is someone who is saved by the death and resurrection of Christ and who follows Jesus as Lord. We can see this in the book of Romans in the New Testament.

That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. Romans 10:9
Calling Jesus Lord means acknowledging him as the master of our lives. In the book of Matthew, verse 7:21, it says that

Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Matt 7:21

So you see a Christian will always try her hardest to obey God, even though she sometimes may fail, she will not willfully want to disobey God. If she deliberately ignores God’s commands, she will not enter the kingdom of heaven even if on the surface she says she is a Christian.

What is a Muslim? Although the Muslim and Christian faiths share a lot of their scriptures in common, their beliefs are fundamentally different at points where it counts. While a Muslim believes Jesus to be a prophet, they do not believe that he is God nor that he rose from the dead. This is why the Muslim belief and the Christian belief can never be compatible, because they believe the opposite things about the most crucial person in the Christian religion, Jesus. (see quote from Romans 10:9 above)

In the book of John it says about Jesus:
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. John 3:18

A Muslim is someone who stands condemned by God because he does not believe in Jesus.

The Bible makes it clear that if a woman has the freedom to choose her own husband, (which in those times only happens in the rare circumstances that the woman becomes widowed - otherwise marriages were always arranged), they must marry a Christian.

A woman is bound to her husband as long as he lives. But if her husband dies, she is free to marry anyone she wishes, but he must belong to the Lord.1 Cor 7:39

This is God’s command, and it is also wise, because God tells us that the marriage relationship is one that should help us to grow in godliness, not hinder us. In fact, husbands are commanded to love their wives and help to make her holy. (See Ephesians 5:25-33).
How can a Muslim man do this for his wife if he does not even know Jesus?

If you are a Christian yourself, I encourage you to think more deeply about your relationship with God. Are you someone who follows Jesus, or do you just call him Lord without doing God’s will in your life? Are you sure that you will have eternal life when you die? If you want to think deeper about these questions, please have a look around this website that tells you more about Jesus, or maybe pick up the Bible and read about Jesus in the New Testament, and consider his claims as the master of our lives?

………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………….
Now compare this with the Muslim version https://www.nairaland.com/4701199/why-muslim-males-need-not

"¹²Now, I will speak to the rest of you, though I do not have a direct command from the Lord. If a fellow believer has a wife who is not a believer and she is willing to continue living with him, he must not leave her.
¹³And if a believing woman has a husband who is not a believer and he is willing to continue living with her, she must not leave him.
¹⁴For the believing wife brings holiness to her marriage, and the believing husband brings holiness to his marriage. Otherwise, your children would not be holy, but now they are holy.
¹⁵(But if the husband or wife who isn’t a believer insists on leaving, let them go. In such cases the believing husband or wife is no longer bound to the other, for God has called youf to live in peace.)
¹⁶Don’t you wives realize that your husbands might be saved because of you? And don’t you husbands realize that your wives might be saved because of you?
¹⁷Each of you should continue to live in whatever situation the Lord has placed you, and remain as you were when God first called you. This is my rule for all the churches. "
- 1 Corinthians 7:12-17

"Wives, in the same way, submit yourselves to your husbands, so that even if they refuse to believe the word, they will be won over without words by the behavior of their wives"
- 1 Peter 3:1

Surah Yunus, [10:94]:
فَإِن كُنتَ فِي شَكٍّ مِّمَّا أَنزَلْنَا إِلَيْكَ فَاسْأَلِ الَّذِينَ يَقْرَءُونَ الْكِتَابَ مِن قَبْلِكَ لَقَدْ جَاءَكَ الْحَقُّ مِن رَّبِّكَ فَلَا تَكُونَنَّ مِنَ الْمُمْتَرِينَ

AntiChristian, why didnt you and/or couldnt you ask about this from those who truly know, hmm? The Quran in Surah 10:94, has the good sense to tell Muslims like you AntiChristian, that, if in doubt, to go ask "those who read the book before you," that is, "People of Book," meaning believers. Please, please, please, dont again, ever be trying to unnecessarily overthink or be half too smart than you really, at all arent, lol

FOLYKAZE:
When did he actually come via birth canal?

Never mind FOLYKAZE, if you arent aware to that.

FOLYKAZE:
Not at all. You didn't tell me anything

I did, but you didnt pay enough attention to notice I have

MuttleyLaff:
Let me rephrase that then, friend.

The short answer is, it is drawn from and/or based on, conviction, faith and available/known historic facts out in there, my dear friend and brother from another mother.

Whats the point of all this, if you arent paying attention, hmm?

FOLYKAZE:
I am asking what is the basis of your faith currently.

"And without faith it is impossible to please God,
because anyone who approaches Him must believe that He exists
and that He rewards those who earnestly seek Him."
- Hebrews 11:6

Taking a leap of faith is always better than taking a leap of doubt. Faith/belief is what you hold on to, but conviction is what holds on to you. Develop some convictions FOLYKAZE, but not before you're ready to drop some, if not all your assumptions, lol. A man without conviction, is a man who doesn't know and/or a man not in the know, is like a door, hanging on a door frame, without no nails and hinges.

FOLYKAZE:
1 Cor 15:3,14,17

Smh. Just like I thought that you have misundertood and wrongly thought that Apostle Paul was querying the existence, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, when in fact, the good part of the whole of 1 Corinthians 15, was dedicated to educating the Corinthians about resurrection

FOLYKAZE:
1. The bible is not tenable and acceptable as historical fact

FOLYKAZE, the Bible is enough to be trusted just the way it is. No one can spiritually amount to much, except they come to the unshakeable conviction that the Bible in its entirety, is the word of God

FOLYKAZE:
2. What other historical sources and documents are you talking about? Care to share them?

Of course yes, why not share. Knowledge never decreases by being shared. Other historical sources and documents, I'll humbly share, are from two well known Jewish and Roman historians, in the persons of Jewish Flavius Josephus, he twice mentions Jesus in "Jewish Antiquities" a massive 20-volume history of the Jewish people, and that Jesus had a brother named James and then the Roman senator Cornelius Tacitus, mentions that Jesus in his "Annals of Imperial Rome" a history book of the Roman Empire, was executed while Pontius Pilate was the Roman prefect in charge of Judaea and Tiberius was emperor.

"There are those who argue that Jesus is a figment of the Church’s imagination, that there never was a Jesus at all. I have to say that I do not know any respectable critical scholar who says that any more."
- Richard A. Burridge, Professor of Biblical Interpretation, Kings College, London

"This view [that Jesus didn't exist] is demonstrably false. It is fuelled by a regrettable form of atheist prejudice, which holds all the main primary sources, and Christian people, in contempt. .... Most of its proponents are also extraordinarily incompetent."
- Maurice Casey, Nottingham University

"[In answer to the question, did Jesus exist?] I would say it is much more likely that he did than he didn’t. To believe that he had been imagined or invented is a much harder task than to rely on the available evidence, which is obviously not as clear-cut as one would like, but is sufficiently good to say that somebody by the name of Jesus existed around the time when Pontius Pilate was governor of Judea in the first century AD."
- Geza Vermes, Oxford University

"I think that the New Testament does provide prima facie evidence for the historicity of Jesus. It is clear, then, that if we are going to apply to the New Testament the same sort of criteria as we should apply to other ancient writings containing historical material, we should not require independent confirmation of the New Testament's claim that Jesus existed."
- Jeffery Jay Lowder

"Jesus did more than just exist. He said and did a great many things that most historians are reasonably certain we can know about today. .... A hundred and fifty years ago a fairly well respected scholar named Bruno Bauer maintained that the historical Jesus never existed. Anyone who says that today - in the academic world at least - gets grouped with the skinheads who say there was no Holocaust and the scientific holdouts who want to believe the world is flat."
- M A Powell, Trinity Lutheran Seminary

Double post

FOLYKAZE:
Possibly, if I were not wrong, you are painting a picture of God as Man. Well, we saw him wrestling with human and dragging meat with men. Amen!

You conveniently seem to have forgotten that it is the other way round, that man is a picture of God, that man is an image of God. So what, if God manifest to physically wrestle with human or drag meat with men., huh? Do you think, God has a chip on His shoulder ni? Though He has every right to, I guess you suppose that God thinks too much of Himself, for me doing any of those such thing. You are one of those guys who thinks, why would Almighty God come to earth and come in via the birth canal of a woman. You're the type often that will say, what kind of God is that who gets himself haung up on a cross and ends up crying out on the cross

FOLYKAZE:
Let us leave that for that.

No skin off my nose

FOLYKAZE:
Can you for once tell us the basis of your faith?

I already more than once have, but obviously its not an answer you are used to getting, so you frustratingly are not satisfied with it

FOLYKAZE:
Is it shaken like Paul's who queried the existence, death and resurrection of Christ?

Knowing its you, you've probably misunderstood the verses, so I request you provide the verses you attribute your comment to

FOLYKAZE:
Does your faith measure up after knowing that the sweet Jesus you long believe in did not exist?

How do you know Jesus did not exist? Is it not documented in the Bible and other historical/passing comments that Jesus existed ni?

Double post

FOLYKAZE:
This is diversionary. Let me just deal with Olodumare and Isese topic for the last time. The thread isn't about Olodumare but Historicity of the bible and justification of christian faith.

FOLYKAZE, you better grab a chair to sit on because you're going to get shocked by what I am about to type.
OK fyi, Olodumare is Jesus Christ. Jesus is the manifestation of Olodumare. That fact seems to have gone over your head when I first advanced you this info, lol.

FOLYKAZE:
The landlord and tenant relationship is wrong. Landlord and tenant are both human, person. Eledumare is impersonal. And there can never be interpersonal relationship between a person and impersonal being.

The Landlord tenant was carefully chosen and well thought out selected. I am not talking of interpersonal relationship of Landlord with the tenants, but rather was talking of the lovingingly relationship between Landlord and his sons/daughters who are given rooms in his house/mansion

FOLYKAZE:
I would say, this shouldn't be the best analogy you can come up with. It doesn't capture the whole picture.

Think about my mansion. With many rooms designated for different functions. Dinning, living, guest, sitting, bar, toilet, bathroom, wifey room, kiddie rooms, playground, pool, garden, lawn court and library. Also keep in mind that a burrow hole in the corner, there are ants living their own world there. What they do, how they do it, when they do it and by whom it is done is not my business. I don't interfere in who take the role of their leadership. I don't see them praying to me or ask me to look beyond. We view the world different.

Same applies to Eledumare. A being who created the gigantic universe, and a possible multiverse, wouldn't care about what happen in the minute earth, which is like a dirt in the beach sand

By the grace and kindness of God, we have being blessed with houses we call our homes. Our kids have being allotted and given their own rooms in the houses. We don't care that much of invading spiders, occasional sights of insects, say mosquitoes, flies, ants, slugs, bugs, cockroahes, rats, birds, bees, wasps etcetera, but our kids, right from day one up to present, my missus and I often stick our necks round into their rooms, if just only to check and see the state of it. We don't interfere in the daily maintenance or use of the room, but if necessary will and voice out when things looks out of place, abused or misused. Sometimes, it's the kids who invite us into their rooms in order to sort things out for them, like to change a bulb or something. So my dear friend, the analogy is best suited to counter your assertion of no interference, lol

FOLYKAZE:
Jesus is the son of Yahweh, the God of Israel. Yahweh is God of hills, not universe.

Its a pity that's what and all you know.

FOLYKAZE:
It is bizarre. The world proclaim their is a figure, profess a hope of his return but cannot prove the figure exist. It is a drunk world I don't want to be part of.

No one is forcing you to.

FOLYKAZE:
It is one step at a time.
No one queries an already proven fact.

Unfortunately for you, it's too big a step for you to at the moment and with your frame of mind to take

FOLYKAZE:
Can we get on proving bible claim and ascertaining it is fact first?

The beauty of this discourse and one which gives me such pleasuring delight, is that no matter how this discourse swings, you will never ever, and thank God for that, ever have the last word, lol. What a relief.

FOLYKAZE:
You always quote the bible out of context. Attacking me serve only one purpose, it reveals your fear, that the whole years, trusting and having strong confidence on a figure which turned out to be fable can become painful. I know it hurts and understand the fear/pain. But see hey, it isn't about me.

I would rather think, its actually you who has a strong and/or habitual liking for quoting the bible out of context, misunderstand whats in the Bible and then after go screaming that everything is fraud and a myth

FOLYKAZE:
It is more about Apostle Paul fear. It is more about your own fear. And the fear of many Christians out there. 1 Corinthian 15:14 professes that if Jesus didn't die, and if Jesus didn't redirect, that faith of Paul, you and all the Christians are in VAIN. There your fear laid.

"For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.
(i.e. but one of power and of love and of sound judgement and/or of wise discretion)"
- 2 Timothy 1:7

FOLYKAZE, it seems you arent conversant with 2 Timothy 1:7 above, lol. No fear anywhere, no fear here.

FOLYKAZE:
I also understand that faith as defined by is simply a hope without evidence. That is how Heb 11:1 put it.

"Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not being seen."
- Hebrews 11:1

What did I just say about you, a few stops above, erhn? I spoke too soon, didnt I, as you just confirmed your strong and/or habitual liking for quoting the bible out of context and misunderstanding whats in the Bible, lol. Can you see how you turned Hebrews 11:1 upside down and laid it on its head, hmm?

FOLYKAZE:
I understand you and MuttleyLaff and other Christians seek not the evidence if Jesus truly existed, but blindly hope that the person that didn't exist in time and space would appear in the future and take you away. That is the pain, that is the lane of illusion of hope, hopelessness. Do I want to remove the illusion of hope, Nah!

You understand nada. You havent a clue what the meaning of the word understand is. You are a pretender to the throne. The evidences are out there, there is no blind faith thing going on that you deludingly make yourself believe in. Wait, have you heard of "calculated risk"? Bwahahaha, lol.

Why havent I yet see you end your remark(s) with a laugh nah? Why dont/didnt you laugh, and then lets wait to see who will have the last laugh, lol.

FOLYKAZE:
Really pathetic. Do you understand the quotation above? If there is a ignoramus on this thread, it is probably you.

It isn't in the nature of good Christians to fire insults when their faith is been questioned.

The bible, explicitly dictates that "And the Lord's servant must not be quarrelsome but kindly to everyone, an apt teacher, patient, correcting opponents with gentleness..." (2 Timothy 24-25).

If you have been reading your bible and follow it to the last letter, you should have seen 1 peter 3:15
But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

Look at the emboldened clearly. It says "every man that ask you a reason of the the hope in you". The OP is simply asking for the basis, reason for your faith, confidence and hope.

It added, answer with meek and fear/respect... You are answering with insult, more like a rascal.


Now look at the people I mentioned in the OP. MuttleyLaff, EMILO2STAY, shadeyinka and maximus69. Check their posts on this thread and other threads....even when they don't agree with other views, they address the person with ultimate respect. Did you notice we call ourselves Brother, friend, darling and all sort of kindly addresses. These are the crop of christians I associate with... Not scallywags like you.

If you are a representation of Christianity, you would have lost follower today with your bad manners.

C'mon now FOLYKAZE, you out of all people should by now, know that when the Bible in Psalms 14:1 or Psalms 53:1 says: "The fool says in his heart “There is no God." or any believer uses ignorance/fool on you, it isnt necessarily used to insult you, rather it simply is just a mere case of a statement of fact. What the Bible, and/or Inteltower are implying is you are making, concluding and taking to wrong decisions based on unsound judgement.

Being called a fool isnt necessarily an insult FOLYKAZE. It actually in many instances, is a statement of fact, when particularly where, it means taking wrong decisions, mean deliberating or contemplating unwise actions.

Take for example, it will be unwise (i.e. foolish) to, without looking left right and left again, cross a busy fast moving dual carriage highway road. It is only an ignoramus person, who out of ignorance will ignore a pedestrian overhead walkway bridge and attempt playing chicken walk cross a multi-lane motorway.

So next time, anyone calls you a fool, say you're an ignoranus, ignoramus or you're ignorant in relation to discussions about faith in God, existence of Jesus Christ, the historicity and/or truthfulness of the Bible etcetera, dont take it to heart too much, and/or be that much affected by it to the extent of getting/feeling offended, because is never the intention, rather it is an observational statement, lol. Of course, you know the popular saying: "sticks and stones may break my bones but words, will never hurt me" so my dear friend, I'll advise, grow a thick skin. I thought you can withstand heat, which is why you stepped into the kitchen, where sizzling uncomfortably hot steamy, saucy and spicy food and meat is being cooked

FOLYKAZE:
How does this nonsense address the OP?

You see you havent the revelation yet, that is why you arrived at typing: "How does this nonsense address the OP?"

FOLYKAZE:
Your reasoning is poor. Your Christ and religion have not save mankind. But that isn't the topic now. We are discussing about the Bible account, the reliability of the account, and justification of your faith.

You are taking it as a job, to prove me wrong that Jesus exist but hey, you are yearning opata. Just prove he existed. Peter too does not exist. The zombies that resurrected are fictions. If you have contrary views, present it.

Excuse me. That Mount Everest exist in reality doesn't mean Yeti is real or that he lives on top of the mount.

FOLYKAZE, smh, I think you're deliberating feigning ignorance here or you actually typed and made that above emboldened remark out of naviety/inexperience.
1/ What does the name Jesus, to your understanding mean?
2/ What about the appellation, Christ, what to your understanding do it mean?

FOLYKAZE:
Just prove that Jesus existed and let deal with your submission.

If you are able to show where in the Bible, Jesus commanded that believers should go out to prove to others that He, Jesus existed, then trust me FOLYKAZE, everyone will fall over each other and come running here to prove to you that Jesus existed. If you are not satisfied with the strength of the words in that book called the Bible, well then my friend, tough, lol. Dbanj, will even say it better than me, with: you're on a long ting, lol.

FOLYKAZE:
I will respond with these two bible verses

“The naive or inexperienced person [is easily misled and believes every word he hears, but the prudent man is discreet and astute.” (Proverbs 14:15)
The Christian apostle Paul wrote: "Test everything that is said to be sure it is true, and if it is, then accept it." (1 Thessalonians 5:21)

All in all, you've said nothing. I hope your next response will be better, matured and reasonable.

FOLYKAZE, please give your star and favourite scripture 1 Thessalonians 5:21 a rest. You cant be reading 1 Thessalonians 5:21 in isolation of the next verse after it and even without the two verses preceding it now, lol. I have already previous to now brought your attention to this, so go find another scriptural reference to use for artillery, lol.

That Proverbs 14:15, is actually referring to someone who doesnt know what they are talking about or discussing and so naively sees Bible narratives, content etcetera as myths based on or influenced by their personal feelings, takes, tastes and biased opinions, lol

Double post

Double post

shadeyinka:
You set up a grub of lies based upon the truth and you expect me to correct a pathological liar's script!?
God forbid. You can choose whatever you want to believe. Some people even believe that the earth is flat. My argument changes nothing.

Therefore, my strength is for more productive and sincere discuss.

FOLYKAZE:
Did I say I was right? Nope.

You're playing the devil's advocate, lol.

FOLYKAZE:
I found some substantial evidence that exposes the bible accounts as myth. It is your duty to present evidence that the account in the bible is reality.

Déjà vu. Its just the same way Eve, found some substantial evidence that she thought exposes the bible accounts and/or expressed command, as myth, lol.

No one owes you any duty to present evidence that the account in the bible is reality. You either believe it or you dont. There is no wiggle room, my dear friend

FOLYKAZE:
Olodumare does not interfere in human activities and realities.

Thats your widely held but false belief that Olodumare does not "interfere" in human activities and realities. It is a myth to think that Olodumare is a retired or absentee Landlord, lol, who doesn't "interfere" in His tenants', human activities and realities.

Let's use your home as a case study. Yes, the house you built from the sweats of your brow, hard labour and money, since after giving out from this house rooms to your sons/daughters, do you totally not "interfere" in the activities and realities going on in the house and rooms? Just because you've given out the rooms to your sons/daughters are you incurious, distant, disinterested, separate and/or disconnected to the activities and realities going on in the rooms, hmm?

FOLYKAZE:
Can you quite red herring pls?

I am not red herring my dear friend, I am showing you the relatedness between Olodumare and Jesus Christ. Sebi, you said you want to know more, lol, about God ni? Have you yet figured that, Jesus Christ is the mask of Olodumare, hmm, lol?

FOLYKAZE:
Let us focus on Jesus and the bible.

Are you sure I havent focused on Jesus and the bible, hmm, lol? Is Jesus not the manifestation of Olodumare, also known as Ọlọrun, ni, lol?

FOLYKAZE:
I visited the church, I told you. And the pastor subtly sent me out. Asked me to stop asking questions in his church and directed me to have encounter with God in my house. I have been going to church since 4 months now.....but hey, it blows my head, can't swallow the dogmatism been reeled out there.

Dogmatism comes with the territory, lol. Welcome to the real world

FOLYKAZE:
I am doing what the pastor asked me. 1Thessalonians 5:21 says one should dig deep and find the truth. I dug and found the account myth.

FOLYKAZE, two verses before 1 Thessalonians 5:21, advises not to stifle the Holy Spirit. There is no way, anyone without the Holy Spirit, to throw, cast or shed light on state of affairs, will be able correctly handle the word of truth or be able to rightly divide the word of truth. You will struggle against the forces of evil and succumb to it, if/when the Holy Spirit is stifled. When short of the Holy Spirit, you will fumble in getting right understanding, as you dig, searching and looking to find objective truth, lol.

FOLYKAZE:
The whole Osun stories like Sango is allegorical. The essence Osun river is what people worship. The deity is explained through Osun personal nature.

And brother, you are the one telling me, an ignorant folk, that Jesus isn't myth or fantasy without presenting evidence from eye witness to prove he existed.

I have shown in the the OP that the gospel account are not acceptable with the bogus inconsistencies and contradictions. You darling friend should present your evidence and let us analyze it.

Let me ask Muttley, is your faith based on on unverifiable and unsubstantiated statements, and arguably on falsity?

I am 10000% sure you unquestionably believe in Olodumare and dont ever contest Olodumare's existence. Two can play this game FOLYKAZE, have verifiable and substantiated evidences of Olodumare? Or it simply, is a case of conviction, like what I have of Jesus, hmm, lol?

Belief in Jesus, is not a do or die literally business FOLYKAZE. Seems something about Jesus is on your mind, tugging at you and this has led you to go open this thread.