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shadeyinka:
That is why the BEST he could have been (like Whole Soyinka) was a Nobel laureate. And that would be an almost impossible feat to guarantee for anyone

shadeyinka:
The best he would have been is a Nobel laureate recipient which may give him fame but no riches

farem:
I AM UNIQUE
Pastor Adeboye

Forgive me, I am not used to boasting, I don't want to boast but I just want to tell you there is somebody standing before you now that is unique. Just wait, I am going to prove it to you now:
- I am the first to have MSc Mathematics of the University of Lagos;
- I am the first to have PhD Mathematics of the University of Lagos;
- I am the first to have 3 postgraduate degrees of the University of Lagos.

I worked for two, they 'dashed' me the third one.

If you think that is boasting, 'na you sabi'

The thing I'm saying is God can make you Unique.

Can such a man ever remain a poor fella as a secular guy?
What really are your own achievements and at what age?

TheGiftedOne:
Shey having a degree automatically translates to being rich. Guy abeg shift!

advocatejare:
Haha. So you're denying the Sunnah of your prophet now?
You must deny his Sunnah of praying 5 times daily too o since it wasn't documented in the Quran that you should pray 5 times daily and many other of his Sunnah not captured in the Quran

AntiChristian:
You quoted an Hadith where the Sahaba continued flogging alcoholic. You should understand that is a law!

Another attempt to change the topic.

I will join you to. Show me where Jesus sang, clapped and danced to praise the Lord in the new testament.

You can run away from this as you always do!

LordReed2nd:
It doesn't matter what time period the phrase originated from, it clearly isn't the case that it rains cats and dogs now or at any time in the past.

LordReed2nd:
Muttley you make me laugh.

LordReed2nd:
40 years is in fact 4 decades and that qualifies it as several so thanks for making my point for me.

LordReed2nd:
Before it was written down these tales were spread of Jesus by oral tradition. Then they were written by authors we have no way of proving their identity but are generally considered anonymous. This is not a stage upon which to accept as pure fact these tales, hence the question how do we know this is not myth nestled in myth, try to answer this question.

LordReed2nd:
The analogy doesn't because you are telling me now and we understand it is a metaphor. How do we know those who told those tales were not simply being metaphorically?

luvmijeje:
Can you stop death?

luvmijeje:
Can anyone stop death?

luvmijeje:
Can prayer stop death?

luvmijeje:
Can science stop death.

luvmijeje:
The biggest evil is death. That is the fact of life.

luvmijeje:
Nothing. Absolutely nothing can stop it.

1Sharon:
Ok and?

1Sharon:
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1Sharon:
Polygamy is legal in Nigeria

vaxx1:
As far as I know , Nigeria constitution pertaining to court marriage is against it unless stated otherwise where sharia law is enshrined. Nigeria constitution is tailored to based on UK idealogy . therefore UK is also against. and All 50 U.S. states outlaw polygamy. Polygamy violates every state’s public policy on marriage. Indeed, it’s a crime in all 50 states to marry someone if you’re still married to someone else or if the other party is still married to someone else. the idea is to have equal right and protect woman in marriage...

the whole argument used by supporter of homosexuality is about consent and agreement of both party , this is exactly the same with many polygamous family. some husband request the go ahead of first wife before the marriage take place, in many occasions, some wife might even proposed it due to many health or family issue..

if consent and agreement can be see before polygamous marriage why is it consider evil and illegal?

vaxx1:
How did the west manage to convince Africans that polygamy is evil and homosexuality is basically human right?

vaxx1:
Your opinion is needed here, what do you think ?

LordReed2nd:
Your analogy is of a metaphor told in contemporary reality

LordReed2nd:
while the inquiry is about a parable told in story about a man which was written down not by his contemporaries but several decades later, all of this taking place 1900+ years ago.

LordReed2nd:
Your analogy doesn't even come close to answering the question.

budaatum:
This is post 7 in said thread, a post buda was specifically ccd in.

https://www.nairaland.com/5658757/mysterious-experience-today-cooperating-school#86235731

I guess in your dumb world infertility and bareness mean different things or you think you can hide your usual ignorance in your word diarrhea!

Think again, I would have said, but I'd be wasting my breath.

budaatum:
A dumb mutt wants to muzzle buda, lol.

budaatum:
Guess you'd never learn, but I will not tire teaching you to engage brain before jumping into conversations you have not got a clue about

budaatum:
As if whatever ignorant opinion a silly dumb mutt like you cooks up inside your stupid head and choose to believe matters one tiny bit to buda!

I do know your god mutt. You are an image of it!

budaatum:
... My maternal great grandparents were Ifa Priests in the Orolu Kingdom. And because of it we are steeped in the Ifa awo. My paternal grandfather, the Basorun, was an Obatala Priest. Obatala is the Supreme God in Orolu Land. You might from this understand that I have pedigree.

Whenever I arrive in the Orolu Kingdom, I do a walk around the town as part of my os[h]a (I've added the h so it reads well), and I must start after 2am, for that is when the Spirits that ensure Orolu prospers roam around the Kingdom. The walk takes me past Saint John's - the first church in town, past the first mosque and past the Palace in front of which stands the Ibo Osa (Osa Shrine), and takes approximately 1.5 - 2 hours. And on it, I will meet nightwatchmen, who are Ogun worshippers, as nightwatchmen usually are in Yoruba land.

They will shout out, "Iwo wo lo nlo ni ibe yen?" (Who is it that goes there?). And I will respond, "Emi" (Me). They would ask, "Ta ni iwo?" (Who is 'me'?) and I will respond, "Emi Basorun". (Me, Basorun). You see, I'm not the Basorun, my uncle is, but we Basoruns have this thing that every Omo Basorun (Child of Basorun) refers to themselves as Basorun so when you see one, you have seen us all. They will then respond, "Te le jeje o, S'Orun" ('Thread on the ground softly, you the Heavenly Doer'), plus some other things. I will respond with the appropriate response, and go on my way.

Now, if you know anything about Yoruba land, you would know that my walk has a meaning to those who are in the know. What amazes them is that Omo Baba Ilu Oyinbo, ("The Child of the Old Man from London" - the old man, having spent years abroad and who appears to have practically lost all knowledge of the local culture), first, knows the role of his forefathers (walking around town in the middle of the night conversing with the Spirits and ensuring they keep on making the Kingdom prosper).

Second, that Omo Baba Ilu Oyinbo is brave enough to take on this role (The middle of the night in the Orolu Kingdom is when the Gods send the Spirits to place a mark on those who will depart from earth that day so, if you don't want to die, stay indoors!). And third, that Omo Baba Ilu Oyinbo knows the right things to say when the Spirits accost him on his walk (not knowing the right words is like not knowing the password, and if you get it wrong the Spirits will just make you depart from earth that very moment!). You might understand why, part of our response in the dialogue is the phrase "Ilu a toro o" (There will be peace and prosperity in the land o).

As Omo Basorun, it is my duty to go up into the heavens and bring light to my people. And the only way I can personally defy the Gods of the land is by me not performing the duty assigned to me by the Gods. And if I do not perform my duty, which is not just walking around town in the middle of the night but also going up into the heavens and bringing Light to my Kingdom, I, buda will die. But I like performing my duty, so buda, lives!

I hope from what I've said above that you would understand me when I say, in the old days, the Gods will tell the likes of myself to take those who defy them to the bottom of the river and bash their heads in and use their skulls to drink sekete. But like human sacrifices, which we did because our Gods required it, we do no more because we are not so stupid anymore. And since we, the doers of the errands of our Gods no more do that which we claimed our Gods told us to do, they, our Gods, have lost their potency to punish those who defy them. Now, they have learnt to forgive many times and make different demands of us.

But besides that, Omo Basorun (It means "Son of the King of the Heavens", in case you do not know), is not able to defy his father, 'The King of the Heavens'. And if anyone is bold enough to falsely accuse him of such a crime, the Son of the King of the Heavens will go up into the Heavens, get permission from his Father The King of the Heavens, to blot out the light and the Kingdom will be in darkness!

budaatum:
Would you never get it? Owala has a spirit, lol!

MuttleyLaff:
"¹²So the demons begged Jesus, “Send us to the pigs, so that we may enter them.”
¹³He gave them permission, and the unclean spirits came out and went into the pigs, and the herd of about two thousand rushed down the steep bank into the sea and drowned in the water.
¹⁴Those tending the pigs ran off and reported this in the town and countryside, and the people went out to see what had happened
¹⁵and when they came to Jesus, they saw the man who used to have the mob of demons in him.
He was sitting there, clothed and in his right mind; and they were all afraid.""
- Mark 5:12-15

You do realise budaatum, that no one except for you, has yet advanced that demons cause infertility or breast cancer. Nobody has emphatically said that demons cause infertility or breast cancer. This is you just drawing conclusions and reading more than necessary, into what interlocutors are typing.

Now, let's get a much better grip and a bit on "biological or psychological causes." Directly or indirectly "biological or psychological causes" no doubt, are caused by certain influences.

Food, environment, choice life style, ignorance, wickedness, DNA inherited traits or heredity and genetics, etcetera are examples of direct influences behind some "biological or psychological causes" while there also are, principalities and powers, spiritual wickedness in high places etcetera, that indirectly are the influences behind some other set of "biological or psychological causes"

budaatum:
buda does not believe, and in fact knows that the Owala River hasn't got a spirit even though others believe it does and sacrifice a ram to it you dumb fuq! buda just likes eating juicy ram, and trust me when I say they wouldn't give me any if I knock their belief! You'd know this if you weren't selective in my posts you dig up!

The following might enlighten you but I doubt it.

budaatum:
You make "belief" sound like its a thing only had by people of a particular religion as if "revered spirits of the ancestors, wise and just, ancient warriors with brave deeds to their names", is not a belief in itself.

Mine is the worship of Owala, the river from which I got schistosomiasis that paralysed me from the waist down. We worship it by eating a goat. I received a message from her that anybody who poos or pisses in Owala will render their sexual bits useless and will die. I am promoting it as a belief amongst my people while I educate those who can learn.

budaatum:
I'd give you another. I don't knock your God, muttley, even though I know your God is a figment of your imagination you read about in a book. I will mock your ignorance though, especially when you don't keep it to yourself and there's no ram involved!

And just so your dumbness don't stop you understanding, ram, in this instance is metaphor for, 'reducing your ignorance', though there's not a likely chance of that ever occuring!

budaatum:
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Stop deluding yourself!

budaatum:
You'd think a person who knows that parables and myths are stories used to teach would learn to understand instead of believing them.

Yet, here is the joker ignorantly believing - "with proof", he claims - that the story teller must believe the myth being used to teach his dumb ass!

budaatum:
No wonder a Greek myth was him knowing that spirits cause infertility.

MuttleyLaff:
If you want to cheat, make sure you cheat death, not people budaatum. Dont cheat by pretending that "... in some cases ..." are not the operating keywords I used. The word "some" fyi budaatum mister olodo rapata upon twenty, means, not all cases

LordReed2nd:
So how can we tell were myth ends and truth begins with respect to your recognition of the parables of Jesus being myth like? How do we know that it isn't all one myth nested in another?

MuttleyLaff:
The parables, that our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ generoulsy used to teach with are very much like myths, lol. When the truth, seemingly is bitter to hear and often difficult to bear, then employing mythology, lol, makes the medicine go down easier, lol budaatum.

budaatum:
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As usual.

budaatum:
Smh lol indeed! I bet the tooth fairy still leaves a shilling for your tooth!

MuttleyLaff:
This is exactly why I keep saying if more Christians read their Bible properly, they'd be less Christians taking Good Friday and 25th December as make beliefs, just as much like the tooth fairy and Santa Claus arent real.

budaatum:
Oroluans do not relinquish the responsibility of guarding the Kingdom to spirits you dumb ass! We just tell ignorant people like you that spirits guard the Kingdom because that is all you are capable of understanding

MuttleyLaff:
It afterall is a know/knowledge/know-to-have-an-edge. Besides, using the Greek mythology knowledge, is the only language and/or reference that you likely can relate to hence why I took advantage of mentioning Gello, lol.

MuttleyLaff:
If you want to cheat, make sure you cheat death, not people budaatum. Dont cheat by pretending that "... in some cases ..." are not the operating keywords I used. The word "some" fyi budaatum mister olodo rapata upon twenty, means, not all cases

Where from did you get that MuttleyLaff "more than employed Greek mythology to advance a point" or that MuttleyLaff presented "Greek mythology" as if it were factual knowledge to prove the validity of a disputed view that no one had proposed? budaatum duh, I used Greek mythology to advance a point like I previously have explained because I know its a language you can relate to. The above quote of yours above is proof you believe in that kind of stuff, like spirits guarding the town, as if this were factual knowledge. They might be demons for all I know, lol.

Also, as of when I typed on that thread, no one has proposed that demons cause infertility etcetera, it was something you jumped to conclusion at. You then later badgered shadeyinka and kept at him to say its demon(s) who are behind and/or are the cause of infertility in women etcetera

I reiterate budaatum that the parables, that our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ generoulsy used to teach with are very much like myths, lol. When the truth, seemingly is bitter to hear and often difficult to bear, then employing mythology, lol, makes the medicine go down easier, lol budaatum, so you turning round to type "considering you know it to be myth, is rather absurd!" is a right load of old codswallop!

Meshugas! There you go again with the snideness. You simply cant, even if your life depends on it, help yourself from not getting more confused than a goat on astroturf, lol.

budaatum:
It's like we'd tell you masquerades are spirits from the afterlife until you become intelligent enough to be dressed in masquerade cloth yourself. We'd also tell you oro is a spirit so you may tremble in fear and behave least you die.

We the people of the Orolu Kingdom guard our Kingdom ourselves. Just as I go all the way up to heaven to ship books to the library in the Kingdom!

budaatum:
Below is the question posed before you blindly ignorantly jumped in.

budaatum:
But of course you are obviously too dumb to admit you jumped into a conversation you knew not where it began

budaatum:
As to my Ọba Shọrun post. I'm glad you believe I go up to heaven to bring down Light. Pity you are too blind and dumb to see and understand

budaatum:
You more than employed "Greek mythology to advance a point" mutt. You presented "Greek mythology" as if it were factual knowledge to prove the validity of a disputed view that you had claimed no one had proposed, and which, considering you know it to be myth, is rather absurd!

budaatum:
... My maternal great grandparents were Ifa Priests in the Orolu Kingdom. And because of it we are steeped in the Ifa awo. My paternal grandfather, the Basorun, was an Obatala Priest. Obatala is the Supreme God in Orolu Land. You might from this understand that I have pedigree.

Whenever I arrive in the Orolu Kingdom, I do a walk around the town as part of my os[h]a (I've added the h so it reads well), and I must start after 2am, for that is when the Spirits that ensure Orolu prospers roam around the Kingdom. The walk takes me past Saint John's - the first church in town, past the first mosque and past the Palace in front of which stands the Ibo Osa (Osa Shrine), and takes approximately 1.5 - 2 hours. And on it, I will meet nightwatchmen, who are Ogun worshippers, as nightwatchmen usually are in Yoruba land.

They will shout out, "Iwo wo lo nlo ni ibe yen?" (Who is it that goes there?). And I will respond, "Emi" (Me). They would ask, "Ta ni iwo?" (Who is 'me'?) and I will respond, "Emi Basorun". (Me, Basorun). You see, I'm not the Basorun, my uncle is, but we Basoruns have this thing that every Omo Basorun (Child of Basorun) refers to themselves as Basorun so when you see one, you have seen us all. They will then respond, "Te le jeje o, S'Orun" ('Thread on the ground softly, you the Heavenly Doer'), plus some other things. I will respond with the appropriate response, and go on my way.

Now, if you know anything about Yoruba land, you would know that my walk has a meaning to those who are in the know. What amazes them is that Omo Baba Ilu Oyinbo, ("The Child of the Old Man from London" - the old man, having spent years abroad and who appears to have practically lost all knowledge of the local culture), first, knows the role of his forefathers (walking around town in the middle of the night conversing with the Spirits and ensuring they keep on making the Kingdom prosper).

Second, that Omo Baba Ilu Oyinbo is brave enough to take on this role (The middle of the night in the Orolu Kingdom is when the Gods send the Spirits to place a mark on those who will depart from earth that day so, if you don't want to die, stay indoors!). And third, that Omo Baba Ilu Oyinbo knows the right things to say when the Spirits accost him on his walk (not knowing the right words is like not knowing the password, and if you get it wrong the Spirits will just make you depart from earth that very moment!). You might understand why, part of our response in the dialogue is the phrase "Ilu a toro o" (There will be peace and prosperity in the land o).

As Omo Basorun, it is my duty to go up into the heavens and bring light to my people. And the only way I can personally defy the Gods of the land is by me not performing the duty assigned to me by the Gods. And if I do not perform my duty, which is not just walking around town in the middle of the night but also going up into the heavens and bringing Light to my Kingdom, I, buda will die. But I like performing my duty, so buda, lives!

I hope from what I've said above that you would understand me when I say, in the old days, the Gods will tell the likes of myself to take those who defy them to the bottom of the river and bash their heads in and use their skulls to drink sekete. But like human sacrifices, which we did because our Gods required it, we do no more because we are not so stupid anymore. And since we, the doers of the errands of our Gods no more do that which we claimed our Gods told us to do, they, our Gods, have lost their potency to punish those who defy them. Now, they have learnt to forgive many times and make different demands of us.

But besides that, Omo Basorun (It means "Son of the King of the Heavens", in case you do not know), is not able to defy his father, 'The King of the Heavens'. And if anyone is bold enough to falsely accuse him of such a crime, the Son of the King of the Heavens will go up into the Heavens, get permission from his Father The King of the Heavens, to blot out the light and the Kingdom will be in darkness!

budaatum:
Jumping from "Gello is a female demon in Greek mythology", to therefore, "demons and/or spirits, in some cases cause infertility", is the lack of the use of your brain!

MuttleyLaff:
Dont give me any prizes for guessing right budaatum. It is the use of the strong two words "only" and "you" that's made you look an angry bull that's just seen a red cloth, lol.

No, no, no, far from that. I am not blind, and eyes do see that buda does not live on bread alone but on other great delicacies, choice food considered with regard to their rarity, costliness or the likes like caviars etcetera and so therefore, buda is not and cant possibly be malnourished nau. Put it down to exuberance, lol, buddatum.

I think you should self prescribe this for yourself because, in the first instance, its you who had qualms with me employing Greek mythology to advance a point. Remember?

Myth, afterall budaatum, by simple definition, is a traditional story, especially one concerning the early history of a people or explaining a natural or social phenomenon, and typically involving supernatural beings or events, case in point, the mythical Gello and association with infertility I earlier made reference to, that you took exception to and/or objected to me using, lol. The parables, that our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ generoulsy used to teach with are very much like myths, lol. When the truth, seemingly is bitter to hear and often difficult to bear, then employing mythology, lol, makes the medicine go down easier, lol budaatum.

To be honest with you Michellekabod2, I've grown to detect inflammatory and/or provocative intent from our here, dear right honorable gentleman/ma'am and have increasingly learned having to deal with dear right honorable gentleman/ma'am's incoming fire than a fully loaded magazine-fed SMG.

I easily can tell when our dear right honorable gentleman/ma'am warms up a cup of "... here's some ..." that hides a whole sip load poison of ridicule. I know when to ignore and when to, like on this ocassuion, kick up a fuss

budaatum:
I wonder why you'd ignorantly assume "Greek mythology knowledge" is "the only language and/or reference that you likely can relate to".

budaatum:
Is it because you are far to blind to use your eyes to see that buda does not live on bread alone so buda is not malnourished like you are?

budaatum:
Well, here's some [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+9%3A1-12&version=NIV]non-Greek spat on mud advise from buda[/url] (unless you want to be pedantic of course).

Go and wash in the Pool of Siloam, muttley, so that your eyes may open and you may see!

Michellekabod2:
Buda and muttley, best of friends on NL that love to throw darts on themselves

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advocatejare:
Narrated Anas:
That a man who had drunk wine was brought to the Prophet ( ﷺ ), so he beat him about forty times with two stalks of a palm tree. So Abu Bakr did similarly, and by the time 'Umar became Khalifah he sought council from the people. And 'Abdur-Rahman bin 'Awf said: 'I see that the lightest penalty is eighty lashes,' so 'Umar ordered that.
Jami at-Tirmidhi 3:15:1443


Narrated By Anas bin Malik
The Prophet beat a drunk with palm-leaf stalks and shoes. And Abu Bakr gave (such a sinner) forty lashes.
Sahih Bukhari 8:81:764

luvmijeje:
OP, welcome to the real world. When you sit down and reason a lot of things you will come to a fact of life. Evil happens to the good, the bad and the ugly. The same also goes for good things. None of us can escape it. No prayer can stop it. Science can't stop it. Absolutely nothing can stop it.

When you accept that fact of life, you will get to celebrate the good and mourn the bad and above all you get to be stronger and be fearless in the face of life.

budaatum:
Kidney failure has a cause. The kidney does not just fail for no reason, and that reason is not a demon, unless you mean a demon made you do whatever it was that caused your kidney to stop working!

Poison may have the potential to kill, but it still needs an agent to use it to kill. If you left the poison alone in the vial, shade, the poison will not jump out and kill or cause an epidemic!

budaatum:
You make skepticism sound like some evil affliction lol.

People lie and falsehood here all the time for reasons best known to them. Sometimes its just because they are ignorant, like when they claim Greek mythology as knowledge! Only the ignorant do not require evidence for whatever they choose to believe. And only fools believe ignorant people.

budaatum:
If, as you claim, "Abrahamic religious text are direct copies and plagerised versions of various older characters and philospohies. i.e African philosophies, Budhism, Greek mythology, Hinduism, Roman mythology, Summerian mythology e.t.c", are you not pleased that I, a Nigerian, have heard of those things? I mean, its not as if I can be walking in the streets of Lagos and pick up "Budhism, Greek mythology, Hinduism, Roman mythology, Summerian mythology etc", that easily. Even African Philosophy is scanty, as you'd have seen if you checked the podcast I posted. Or can I pick that up on the streets of Lagos or anywhere in Nigeria?

Perhaps see the Bible as a badly written syllabus. Many learn a lot from it that they might not have learnt anywhere else. I mean, you, perhaps, might only know of these "Budhism, Greek mythology, Hinduism, Roman mythology, Summerian mythology etc" from your initial reading of the Bible which piqued your interest like a tiny acorn seed and made you search further so you've become the immensely knowledgeable oak tree you have become. Or have you forgotten how you began and would give no credit to the seed?

budaatum:
Practise perhaps, repetition, code of behaviour, set of doctrines, stories, myths, ritual etc.

Religion is a word which refers to approaches to human spirituality which usually encompass a set of narratives, symbols, beliefs and practices, often with a supernatural or transcendent quality, which give meaning to the practitioner's experiences of life through reference to a higher power or truth. It may be expressed through prayer, ritual, meditation, music and art, among other things. It may focus on specific supernatural, metaphysical, and moral claims about reality (the cosmos and human nature) which may yield a set of religious laws, ethics, and a particular lifestyle. Religion also encompasses ancestral or cultural traditions, writings, history, and mythology, as well as personal faith and religious experience. The term "religion" refers to both the personal practices related to communal faith and to group rituals and communication stemming from shared conviction.

budaatum:
There's a lot of people who never had a sun god, I think, and would love some data if you got any.
The quoted says "sky"; Olorun is God of everything.
https://www.windows2universe.org/mythology/olorun_sky.html&edu=high

MuttleyLaff:
Kikikiki ki.
I careless about Greek mythology,

budaatum:
Muttley! Greek mythology is your, "you know"?

budaatum:
My response to you is:

budaatum:
Please muttley. If this conversation is too difficult for you to follow, butt out!

budaatum:
I have repeatedly asked questions about what you claim "nobody has emphatically" said, and it has not yet been denied

budaatum:
Shadeyinka, please let me know if you think demons and/or spirits cause infertility!