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CrimeKsmart:
What an embarrassment. See the way he was addressing kings... Chai... No single respect for them

shugabasbn:
The man is a slap on River culture n heritages.
Imagine a Governor is talking to Royals like a tout and the same Governor will go to England n be worshipping Queen.
Those Chiefs they suppose to walk out of him. Everything is not about money. Dignity of the post is far greater

Hmm Ranchhoddas una get am plenty for dis una Rivers state ooo. Nobi only on the organised church plc front alone but your Rivers state also get am sef, for political side Ranchhoddas.

tyup:
not sure tho but it'll be business for the police (knowing Mexican police are more terrible in corruption than their Nigerian counterparts)......rescue her, make her live and get a whooping sum of money from her in bribe, organize a jail break and hear she's gone dark for the main time atleast

reasons why El-chapo was jailed in the US and not transferred back to his home country coz US knows his percentage of escape in detention at Mexico is 99%

Bodydialect57:
Corruption is the real cankerworm that is eating up the world

Corruption is one, out of the many real cankerworms that came out of the opened Pandora box to start eating up the world, lol.

MizzPhoney:
WOW! So I took my time to read something "Christian" written by AntiChristian... How ironically delusional!

You're sure give AntiChristian credit more than AntiChristian deserves. You took your time to read something almost entirely cut and pasted from elsewhere, I mean what you read was almost entirely, copied and pasted here, by AntiChristian, from the below website link:
https://www.truthortradition.com/articles/does-the-bible-ever-refer-to-jesus-christ-as-god

Doing something like that betrays AntiChristian's lack of original thought. It exposes AntiChristian's lack of any meaningful content from a personal perspective and/or understanding.

Maybe when AntiChristian learns to make comments without having to copy and paste other people's original thought and work here, we might have an original thought from AntiChristian to read and not be reading all this persistent advertisement of AntiChristian's ignorance and lack of understanding here everytime.

AntiChristian, needs to try to make comments here, using AntiChristian's own words, own understanding, own thoughts and not be so quick to be bring in content from third parties, who aren't here to talk for themselves or able to defend what they've typed that AntiChristian has copied and pasted on to the thread. AntiChristian isn't the originator of that content repeated here on this thread and so AntiChristian wouldn't be in a position to defend any part of the content.

AntiChristian:
Just Read and learn. Leave the Moniker...Embrace the message.

AntiChristian here is a simple and easy question I'll like you to answer. Please who is it, that only, knows what's in peoples' heart, that always knows what people are thinking, that always and without failing knows every person's thoughts. Knows whats in every human being? Thans in advance for your reply as you give the name or a name, for such person.

ManyThanks:
you err not not knowing the scriptures. you muslims know you are holding on to something that is not working. Most of you are blinded by hate for Christians hence this hate speech of yours against the Lord. Hate speech? Yes hate speech. There is fear of islamisation in Nigeria.Terrorism is high in the north but all you can invest your time in is some blind interpretation in a bid to spread lies. Before Jesus was born, He was already reffered to as God. I am gong to show you from scriptures since you believe in the Bible. First of all, Jesus is the personality of the tripartite, made up of the Father, Son(Himself) and the Holy Ghost). Read Genesis 1: 26. The Ghost writing through John in John 1;1 called Him God. When satan tempted Him, what was His reply? Don't tempt your God(Me Jesus). Hope you are still reading? Since you believe the Bible my exposition shouldn't be hard for you to absorb. Now see the prophecy before His birth from Isaiah in the book of Isaiah 9. He was called Mighty God in verse 6. Hmmmmm! That must be hard on you. I don't think it should since you actually believe on the Bible. You went through the Bible, picked some verses and gave your fanatical explanation but see, tht Bible is Spiritual. The only authoritative word of God Almighty. In summary, read Isaiah 9;6. In the new testament He is called great God in Titus 2:11-13, John 1:1. Finally, He called himself Godin mathew 4;4, Luke 4:8,12. Worship Him sir. He has borne it all for us.......... please go through the Bible quotations there and deliver yourself from ignorance. The thing you called allah is no god sir. Jesus died for sin of you and me
He is in heaven now with the Father. Repent and make you ways right today brother. He is doing mighty things in my family currently. My younger brother's testimony he texted me today is frightening. Maybe you want to hear it. Go and read the Binl and read ot well. Islam has no Salvation, JESUS alone has.

Gbam

lonelydora:
Mbaka as a frequent visitor to Aso Rock got a privy info about it. Nothing prophetic

Ranchhoddas:
Lol. Console yourself

You were part of the people waiting for the prophecy to fail.

MuttleyLaff where you dey self?

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ImoFirstBorn:
STATEMENT FROM HIS EXCELLENCY, RT. HON. EMEKA IHEDIOHA, CON, ON THE SUPREME COURT RULING ON IMO STATE GOVERNORSHIP ELECTION OF THE MARCH 9, 2019.

JANUARY 15, 2020

My dear good people of Imo State,
We worked very hard to re-engineer the Imo renaissance. But God knows why He has allowed this current state of affairs.

5. No doubt, yesterday’s Supreme Court verdict, came to us as a rude shock and surprise considering the facts on ground, legal precedence and clear verdict of Imo People on March 9 2019, that returned me as Governor with the highest valid votes of 273,404.
6. I do not agree with the judgement of the Supreme Court. I think it is unfair, unjust and does not reflect the voting that took place during the elections. It also didn’t take care of the sensibilities of the people of Imo State. But as true democrats, Engr Gerald Irona and I have no option but to respect the outcome of that judgement.
7. Consequently, we have put machinery in motion to hand-over the reins of office to the APC Candidate as the the next governor of Imo State. This will be coordinated by the Secretary to the State Government. I therefore direct all members of Imo State Expanded Executive Council, and all political appointees to write their handing-over notes and to return all government properties in their custody, forthwith. I shall not be party to pilfering of Government property or funds.
8. May we use this opportunity to express our gratitude to God for the opportunity to serve, within the short period he granted us. We sincerely appreciate you for all your solidarity and goodwill. We would forever cherish and treasure your love, your trust and your partnership. We made our mark. Rebuilding our dear state is neither easy nor personal, but a task undertaken for our today and tomorrow.

11. It is incontrovertible that we ran a good race, fought tough battles, (including, principalities and powers)and governed the state well, with the fear of God, accountability, transparency and entrenched due process. We, however, take solace in the book of Ecclesiastics 3:1, “To everything there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven”.
12. We step aside with implicit faith in the Sovereign Lord who reigns over the affairs of men.
13. Thank you.
Imo bu nke anyi.

Rt. Hon. Emeka Ihedioha, CON.

https://mobile.twitter.com/EmekaIhedioha/status/1217509691917508612

God out of His goodness, gave Mbaka a lucky break that helped Mbaka.

Youthleader22:
You just ended up saying nonsense. I don’t even understand a word you said. Is your religion affecting your brain?

You wouldn't understand a word of any I'll ever say and/or have said because you're thicker than a 2 by 2 plank

Pistotita:
1. Any scripture to back up your answer that ONLY Jesus' blood was without sin? And what about the host of heaven loyal to God? Are you saying they are all sinful? The ones who fought on God's side against Lucifer ...are they also sinful?

2. Since you mentioned he was born of a virgin to show his blood must not be contaminated. It means the virgin is sinless too. Right? Hmmmm! This is what I understand from your post. Are you saying virgins are sinless?

Note: I am still operating here based on the assumption that this thread is ONLY for christians.

@blueAgent ....still expecting to read from you.

Pistotita, first and foremost, you're just getting to know blueAgent. blueAgent runs away from answering questions that seems hard to him, he will ignore and not reply to simple/direct questions too. He will provide you with unsolicited information that has nothing to do with question(s) he was asked

Let's cut to the chase. blueAgent that invited you to the thread with a mention always bites more than he can chew and obviously is confused or doesnt fully understand and know any of whats so far he has invited you here discussed, so dont blame him or hold his lack of fact(s) awareness against him.

Now Pistotita, Ken4Christ has competently and capably answered you, when he said "Only Jesus blood can wash our sins away ..." to your "I want to understand the meaning of "the only alternative" you used in blueAgent's post." comment but you are being difficult coming back with responses like:
#1/ "Any scripture to back up your answer that ONLY Jesus' blood was without sin? And what about the host of heaven loyal to God? Are you saying they are all sinful? The ones who fought on God's side against Lucifer ...are they also sinful?"
#2/ "Since you mentioned he was born of a virgin to show his blood must not be contaminated. It means the virgin is sinless too. Right? Hmmmm! This is what I understand from your post. Are you saying virgins are sinless?"
#3/ "My question is not that you prove Jesus is without sin. I want you to prove that Jesus is the ONLY one without sin according to christians. Well, you have stated the single criterion needed which is blameless. Are you still saying only Jesus was blameless in the eyes of God? "
#4/ "My question is before Jesus' death. So I asked, was it ONLY Jesus whose blood was qualified? Remember that he after ressurection the Bible says His name was lifted far above all other names. This was where Jesus earned it. This was the reward. "
#5/ "1. So, are you saying that you agree that the womb that carried Jesus is sinful? "
#6/ "A) prove that ONLY Jesus' blood was qualified"
#7/ "B) Prove that Jesus was holier and more righteous than all the host of heaven where the throne of God is especially before ressurection?"
#8/ "1. Only sinless blood can do it. (We both agreed on this)
2. Not all angels are sinless. (We both agreed on this)
3. Jesus was more righteous and holier than the host of heaven, and this was the reason His blood was qualified. (Kindly prove it that Jesus was holier and more righteous before resurection)."
#9/ "What is the proof that angels cannot die for mankind? Show me, and do not just say it. And which class are you talking about here?"
#10/ "As far as I know there was a place in the Bible I read "the sons of God (angels) came to earth to have sex with the daughters of men. So, if they can pick up human flesh which is not in accordance to God's will...it means that angels can also turn to humans without taking permission from God. Meaning there are many things God may not be able to control, or could not control. It is why athiests tell you that "god" is not competent. Lol. Yeah. Truly, it seemed that to me too, but that is not the end of the story. I believe God is competent and just. This topic is deep and you do not bring such here and start arguing what you cannot prove.."
#11/ "1. If the sperm is the seed, what is the egg from the woman? This is the start of men dominating women. Lol
2. Have you heard of cloning? Do you need sperm or egg?
3. Since angel or some fallen host of heaven came to this world to sleep with women, how did they appear? From the sperm or egg of human beings? "

What really broke the camel's back is you seemingly subscribing to the fable that angelic host from heaven are capable of impregnating human beings, lol. You are obviously science minded, which is why you tried to introduce cloning into the discourse, but I am sure you are aware that human cloning, or any other cloning for that matter, is completely different to a brand new original human being, lol but it is creating identical copy of a human being already existing, lol. You as someone savvy enough in these science things and/or stuff should know why blood is required nah.

MuttleyLaff:
To be honest, candid and without needing to discuss this subject in excessive detail, the $64,000, is, why blood? What is in blood, and dont say and/or give me a "it's power" reply, yeah, what's in blood, whats inside blood, what does this blood actually have the power to do, what's in this particular/kind/type of blood that requires it be shed to that there be remission?

You're comparing apples with oranges here with this your thread titled heading and this for the following considerations:

Notice from the above quote, that, I had already asked blueAgent similar questions you're trying to prise out and/or with difficulty obtain from him.

Pistotita:
What is the proof that angels cannot die for mankind? Show me, and do not just say it. And which class are you talking about here?

Prove that angels were not qualified to redeem human.

1. If the sperm is the seed, what is the egg from the woman? This is the start of men dominating women. Lol
2. Have you heard of cloning? Do you need sperm or egg?
3. Since angel or some fallen host of heaven came to this world to sleep with women, how did they appear? From the sperm or egg of human beings?

I agree that a non blemish blood was needed, but the question is that: was it ONLY Jesus' blood that was without blemish?

Oga, science explains more to me. The way cloning opened my eyes to the craps about sperms to justify what is not there is great. Some people just explained rubbish that is not in the Bible, and dummies followed them. But science is bursting many lies snd deceits.

Pistotita:
In your eyes you have proved all. And the new sets of questions which I numbered are not relevant. Lol. I guess you have no answers, but you want to result to bullying me to accept your doctrines.

Do not just use your brain to explain the Bible. And do not use your doctrines to explain it here.

Must you be like them?

Stop telling lies.

Please, do not say. Show me proofs. Do not make baseless assumptions. Give me proofs.

1. Show me beyond reasonable doubt that ONLY beings who are not created were qualified to volunteer their blood. Show me where that condition is written. Do not come and confuse me with your assumptions.

2. Show me proofs that angels are not immortals. All these things you are saying....show proofs.

How does Jesus being the son of God (by the way which I believe He is), and his pre existence before angels (which is a mystery) proof that Angelic blood is not qualified? Show me where it is written that angelic blood does not qualify. I just want to see it clearly.

NOTE:
I made sure i numbered all my questions. I numbered all the proofs I want. And they are based on the things you wrote. Do not continue beating your chest that what you said are correct. But show me that what you said are correct in the scripture, or use a logical meaningful way to prove everything.

I have shown you logically why "Rest" and "Worship" are different. I did that to disprove your assumption of combining both rest and worship to create confusion.

Please, leave these irrelevancies and focus on what are important.

Oga, I am not interested in continuing this with you. It will turn to a debate which I am not ready for. I want to discuss, and not debate. I respect the recommedations of your church for its members, but do not try to force them on others as the ONLY and TRUE guidelines towards salvation as long as they are not backed by the Bible. So, kindly not mention me again. I am a straight forward person. What I need is knowledge, and not doctrines here. Keep the doctrines of Adventists to your church members. If you can convince me, who says I cannot join the Adventists? But first be opened to respect others' believe. .

I have more questions. Who can help me out here?

I am not just willing to go on discussing with this fellow.

MuttleyLaff:
Think of God, this way, H₂0, sent itself into the world. H₂0 caused and allowed itself to be visible as solid ice.

Christ cannot share the same body with God the Father, because God is formless. God has no clear definite shape or size. Jesus Christ is the product of God projecting Himself as a human being in the person of Jesus Christ on earth. Jesus Christ is the visible image of the invisible God

Though Jesus was God, He did not think of equality with God, as something to cling to.
Instead, He gave up his divine privileges. He took the humble position of a servant and was born as a human being, and so God appeared on earth, in human form, as in, the person of Jesus Christ, His Son

blueAgent & okosunehis, God can send Himself, did send Himself to earth, in the form of Jesus Christ. God simultaneously can be in more than one place at a time (i.e. God can be in Heaven and on earth, at the same time) Note that, Jesus didnt correct people that addressed Him as God, for example, where and when said: "My Lord, My God" to Him.

Its often said, if you want something done right, you have to do it yourself. Something to be done right is exactly what it's all about and so what God did. This is a matter of the classsic diy aka Do-It-Yourself.

God looked for someone who could build walls or looked for someone to stand in the breach in His presence on behalf of the world so that it won't be destroyed, but He found no one and so God is lumbered with, doing a classic Do-It-Yourself by sending Himself to carry out the redemptive work.

This will explain what the bible said and/or is saying about "begotten" The word translated as "begotten", is the greek word "monogene." "Monogene", means, one and only or better still, it means, one of a kind.

Now the word "monogene", is a combination of the root words: "mono" (i.e. one or only) and "genos" (i.e. of a class or kind) hence "begotten", in the context, or "monogene" in the context means "the only of its kind"

Now, "monogene" occurred also, when similarly used over Isaac, and that is where and when Isaac was referred to, as only son, even when Abraham already had an existing and older son, Ishmael

Isaac was unique, was one and only or one of a kind son. Unique in the sense that, an impotent man and menopaused woman had a child, the promised son, Isaac (i.e. child in a class of its own, this miracle never again has been repeated)

To just clear each other, "begotten" in the Jesus' context isn’t about procreation or some fantasied sexual intercourse

Jesus, is the last Adam, and second man. The first man Adam became a living soul, whereas, Jesus, the last Adam, became a life-giving spirit

The first man, Adam, is of the earth, earthy, came from earth; while the second man, Jesus Christ is from heaven, came from heaven. Praise God. Alleluia.

"And I sought for a man among them, that should make up the hedge,
and stand in the gap before me for the land, that I should not destroy it: but I found none
(i.e. I looked for someone who might rebuild the wall of righteousness that guards the land.
I searched for someone to stand in the gap in the wall so I wouldn’t have to destroy the land, but I found no one.)/i]"
- Ezekiel 22:30

"[i]He saw that there was no man—He was amazed that there was no one—to intercede;
so His own arm brought salvation, and His own righteousness sustained Him."
- Isaiah 59:16

"I was amazed to see that no one intervened to help the oppressed.
So I myself stepped in to save them with my strong arm, and my wrath sustained me
(i.e. I looked, but there was no one to help; I was shocked because there was no one offering support.
So my right arm accomplished deliverance or achieved salvation for me, my raging anger drove me on)"
- Isaiah 63:5

blueAgent & okosunehis, you must have quite a lot of times, heard the saying that "If you want something done right, do it yourself", well none, nobody, no angel out of the whole angelic hosts of heaven, nor no man out of the whole world wide, offered to accept the challenge to help man get returned back to man's original status before the fall, so God resorted to DIY

blueAgent & okosunehis, you know that Christ, means Saviour, right?. So if you do, how then do suppose God will be able to pull this off this God's redemptive work, if Christ isnt God and man, hmm? Give this some thought blueAgent & okosunehis

"Behold, I send My messenger, And he will prepare the way before Me. And the Lord, whom you seek, Will suddenly come to His temple, Even the Messenger of the covenant, In whom you delight. Behold, He is coming,” Says the LORD of hosts."
Malachi 3:1

Of course, Jesus is an angel, Malachi 3:1 confirms Him being a Messenger. This is God sending Himself on an errand. Alleluia.

I have work to go to, I am already going out late, even when I have so much workload especially today to get rid off, so I will not reinvent the wheel. The above immediate quote addresses almost all if not all of the concerns and interest you raised. Whilst going through it think of Isaac's birth from an impotent Dad and menopaused Mum. Get them to me asap to fill in any gaps or further enquiries you have, lol

DaBullIT:
So DSS pointed gun to one ''the nation's'' editor and forced him to write this thing in their defense ??
a too yin ti

"The Nigerian media has become a thriving arena for all sorts of sponsored falsehoods"
- Adaobi Tricia Nwaubani
Nigerian novelist, humorist, essayist and journalist.

Shebi you're "Da Bullet" nah, you'll then know more than America who put a gun to the editor's head to write from reliable sources in their defense. Afterall them brown envelopes are not beans. Brown envelope journalism, by those who indulge in it, fyi, involves paying journalists in advance, for newsworthy development(s) needed to be reported. I know you arent naive and wont deny things like that doesnt go on, lol.

justineapir:
Are u guy questioning the integrity of the DSS or what!!!! the guy can b forgiven by Buharis family and ask DSS to release him...

Gbam

blueAgent:
Your number 1 question lacks merit or meaning

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Lacks merit or meaning my foot, lol.
Just admit you're stumped, you dont know what the answer is and so dont know what correctly to say, lol.

blueAgent:
Like I said before the law was illegitimate and crafetly established in order to destroy Daniel.

"crafetly established in order to destroy Daniel." has no significance or influence on the question at hand. From reading Daniel 6:9-10, did Daniel flout the law of the land, and so thereby commit a crime or not against the law of the land, hmm? Yes or No

blueAgent:
A proof if this can be found in the fact that those behind the consipiration and their families were thrown into the lions den and they were killed by the lion.
The question is if Daniel was not innocent

Did King Darius not put the decree into writing ni? Was Jesus not sentenced to death on trumped up charges ni?

blueAgent:
or if the law was not illegitimate why did the people behind it punished with their families?

It has nothing to do with any illegitimacy. Why werent the Jews who falsely accused Jesus not punished?

blueAgent:
The law God has given is the TEN Commandments.

Are you able to tell what the laws, the ten commandments plus the 613 other ones are under hinged on?

blueAgent:
If laws made by men can be changed at there own will or discretion that is because they are imperfect, but God is perfect and Holy

blueAgent, nobody is talking of changing laws, but what's discussed is how some laws get overridden, cancelled out and made inoperably redundant by a higher, superior and stronger law

You dont disappoint. I knew you wont properly answer those five questions as I know you havent changed from avoiding to reply back to questions, and that you wont use the same format numbering, order and style of the questions to answer back with.

Mightyhaiz:
U dey corroborate with Maluu..
And u surprise say e don spray you with him sheet?

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I had the windows rolled up

[quote author= post=85743825]Again, kindly shut up.
By the way....[/quote]He no go beta for "kindly shut up"

[quote author= post=85743825]Who be dis one in the scheme of things [/quote]You think everyone is an obsequious sycophant like you are

[quote author= post=85743597]Kindly, Shut up if you have nothing reasonable to post.[/quote]Do you have comprehension problem ni. Or you're behind in taking some seriously needed medication? Or they mix craze put for amala cook for you. Who the foxtrot uniform charlie kilo do you think you're talking to and addressing like that huh?

Are you blind, cant you read to see that I was corroborating what you wrote ni. No wonder the state the country is in, smh. Mtcheew.

[quote author= post=85743238]Some Nairalanders are actually wise!
Some people came up with this last week,
explaining what could have transpired.
Now we have it from DSS.

But you see fraudsters, criminals, thieves, that their lives have been turned upside down by the looters they supported supporting this impostor!

Scammers everywhere![/quote]You have it from them because they read NL, and that's how from here, they got the idea to come up with this line

Bodydialect57:
"Though AntiChristian, yet deep down and inside knows the Gospel, hence the freudian slip, lol, that you noticed Ranchhoddas "
Don't be offended @ MuttleyLaff, l guess he didn't quite understand your post

The typical Matthew 5:9's peacemaker as usual. Thank you ma'am for your kindness. I wasnt at all offended tbh. The repeated thrice emoticons were just showing the level of how I disapproved of the opinion

Youthleader22:
Why is the word antichrist scaring you?

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Are you pschic?
Or you see me in your crystal ball looking scared ni, hmm?
Have you not heard of 2 Timothy 1:7's "For God has not given us a spirit of fear and timidity, but of power and of love and of a sound mind." ni?

Youthleader22:
Jesus owns the Church so if you being antichristian that simply means you are an antichrist

Ecclesia or ekklesia, thats the church for your sake, is the bride of Christ, and Jesus, fyi mister Youthleader22 sire, wants to present to Himself, ekklesia in all her glory, having no spot or wrinkle or any such thing; but that she should be holy and blameless, but unfortunately, wherever God, erects a house of worship and/or prayer, the Devil, in no time, quickly builds a chapel always there.

Youthleader22:
Or you don't know who you are anymore?

There used to be one poster like this, but now long gone, who behaves like a "jawando" goat that turns up on threads without a rope string on. I hope you arent trying to adopt this poster's style, hmm?

Youthleader22:
And you are happy about your life being antichrist.

You better start beginning to explain yourself with this your not thinking through properly and misguided comment what you mean by it

Ranchhoddas:
We dey talk winners you dey talk poverty capital.

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Why wouldnt I talk of poverty capital hmm? Was it not you who first started with that your proof-texting Zechariah 1:17, erhn? Abi you dont know what's in Zechariah 1:17 ni?

Ranchhoddas:
Winners is present in more than 50 countries no?
The poor you will always have with you.

Yes, and its not rocket science to know why. Of course isnt it because of the foreign exchange ni, no?

Ranchhoddas:
You are shifting the goalpost. Is Winners prospering? YES ?

How is it anybody fault if some people refuse to follow the covenant prosperity principles as taught by Oyedepo?
If the wider Nigeria follows Oyedepo's way of doing things; hardwork, discipine, sacrifice, IINTEGRITY, don't you think the country would have made far more progress than it has now.

Do you know that winners chapel has been using uninterrupted power since 1989?
If our power managers have been taking lessons for the past 30 years from Oyedepo, don't you think we would have solved our power problems?

We can take camels to the stream. We can't force them to drink.

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There is nothing like covenant prosperity principles, as taught by Oyedepo. It is a sham, all na wash. Please Ranchhoddas, tell me what director or CEO of any company has Oyedepo ever being, lol?

My guy, abeggy, no one is shifting any goal post anywhere, the truth be told, Oyedepo is prospering on the back of the sweat, tears, blood and guts of suckers, dangling a carrot, tied to a stick, and stretched out in from of them, lol. It is Oyedepo plc, that is prospering, and if we are not going to deceive ourselves Ranchhoddas, we would admit that not even up to 5-10% of Winners Chapel's congregation are really and truly prospering. That percentage is me, just being kind and generous

So what, if using uninterrupted power since 1989. It only indicates, Oyedepo is a good at managing and/or using other people's resources so far there's is personal and/or lucrative financial benefit in it for him.

The lesson to learn is from the first republic, where and when the best civil service in African was from the Western region of Nigeria. There was free education from primary up to tertiary level. There was free health care and were pipe borne water. I grew up with water from the water corporation coming out of our taps. Sadly not anymore. I experienced 24 hours uninterrupted power/light/electricity when growing up before it turned epileptic and then total darkness

Ranchhoddas:
Which one be audio. Even blind man go see say winners dey prosper.

Three universities and counting, cannancity, hundreds of schools, thousands of properties across the world, aircrafts plus private hanger.

Let me not even start with Shiloh...
So what is the real deal?

desiredhome:
Nigeria with Churches at every streets yet with high rate of poverty, corruption, wickedness, climes
Unfortunately a lot of people don't understand the reason for Church

Ranchhoddas:
I assume you understand it?
Why not educate us?

The education you need and instead of proof-texting with Zechariah 1:17, is to please tell desiredhome and MuttleyLaff, which country is the 2018 “poverty capital of the world”. Are you aware of the prediction that, if it is unable to change its current trajectory, it will be home to 110 million people living in extreme poverty by the year 2030.

Another thing is, honestly tell, if 50% of congregation of Winners Chapel can afford to send their children to the three universities and counting, hhm?

Ranchhoddas:
Are they suckers if they are prospering as a result of their giving?
I've checked. Winners chapel looks like the real deal.

Audio prospering. Audio real deal

Ranchhoddas:
My cities through prosperity shall be spread abroad Zech: 1: 17

You know this is not true Ranchhoddas.

Please tell me which country is the 2018 “poverty capital of the world”. The prediction is that, if it is unable to change its current trajectory, it will be home to 110 million people living in extreme poverty by the year 2030.

Bodydialect57:
I don't think its very easy since tares look much like wheat in its early stages of growth.

It seemingly isnt very easy to discern between a wheat and tares, mainly because not only that they look much like wheat in its early stages of growth, but that they actually look very similar to an inexperienced eye, lol.

The tares are "audio" wheat, it is also known as false grain. They are yellow, and truly, not only look beautiful, but to the untrained eye, look like wheat. As I previously have said, it is easy to tell the difference between the wheat and tare because wheat is longer, bigger and stronger, while tare is shorter, medium sized and weaker. Wheat seeds are used to make flour and other edidle food products for human consumption, while tare is used for having green lushful garden lawns, football pitches etcetera and also importantly used, as pasture, suitable for grazing animals, especially cattle, lambs or sheep, as food to eat. Tares, cant by the way, be used for any sort of human food consumption

Another noteworthy feature of tares, is that they are proud, and this is why the plant always stands tall, while wheat is humble and so why wheat plants are seen bowed over

With all this story about wheat and tares that I've given, if anyone now looks close and long enough, it becomes easy to spot them and their difference(s) lol.

Ranchhoddas:
How are they suckers if they are doing it willingly

If you call someone a sucker, it means that it is very easy to fool/deceive/trick/cheat/etcetera them. If they're doing it willingly then they're both a sucker and being foolish.

Ranchhoddas:
How do you tell the wheat from the tares?

Its very easy once you check out the leaves and the fruit/seed, lol

Ranchhoddas:

No mind am.
But what do you think about the unprecedented growth of winners chapel.

"²⁴Here is another story Jesus told: “The Kingdom of Heaven is like a farmer who planted good seed in his field.
²⁵But while everyone was asleep, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and slipped away.
²⁶When the wheat sprouted and bore grain, then the weeds also appeared.
²⁷The owner’s servants came to him and said, ‘
Sir, didn’t you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?’
^28‘An enemy did this,’ he replied.
So the servants asked him, ‘Do you want us to go and pull them up?’
²⁹‘No,’ he said, ‘if you pull the weeds now, you might uproot the wheat with them.
³⁰Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters:
First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat into my barn.’” "
- Matthew 13:24-30

It reminds me of Matthew 13:24-30 parable of the wheat and weeds above bible verses, as I think of the unprecedented growth of winners chapel and how gullible the sheeple are believing and/or expecting to find a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow being sold them, lol.

Ranchhoddas:
Divine no?

C'mon nah Ranchhoddas, let's be honest nah. While a fool and his money are soon parted, a fool and his folly are not easily parted. Nothing divine in all this because they know it is easy to get money from foolish people.

There're at very bareset minimum, at least 10,000 suckers, being eyed at this year 2020.

fidelmarshal199:
I would like to know the name of this badge and what it stands for. I had been seeing a lot of it. Anyone to school me?

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Eldersino:
Armed Forces Remembrance Day Emblem.
@thank me later

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Demaduka:
While still reflecting on the question asked DSA on what he is still doing in Ukraine, I wish to ask the forum members to join to appeal to DSA to come back to Nigeria and save the Nigerian Christians from trouble.

Leave forum members out of your unpleasant, distasteful and/or thankless job of not stopping to persistently hound and pester DSA. OK? Do your harassing him by yourself alone and just by yourself only.

Demaduka:
In one of his recent video, he said that you are in trouble if you are a Nigeria Christians: "You're In Trouble If You're A Nigerian Christian".
h t tps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6HreLvrBW0&t=111s

Yes, that is true and it as a matter of fact, is especially true if you are a sheeple Nigerian Christian

Demaduka:
What I am saying is that DSA, is full of much talk, he should come back to Nigeria and provide Nigeria Christians with alternative messages since the preaching of other ministers of God to him are rubbish.

"First of all, I must say that I am not attacking the personalities of elders.

I am not attacking the individuals that I am mentioning. I think I must point this out that I am not attacking people. I am not attacking Adeboye, Oyakhilome or any of the people’s video I have showed. I am correcting the wrong doctrines they are preaching and practicing. I am just correcting the doctrines."
- http://sundayadelajablog.com/yoruba-man-believed-not-yoruba-man-way-attacking-elders-will-react/

MuttleyLaff:
DSA is not afraid of anything and/or anybody. He's being there, being here, sold it, done it and even have the souvenir t-shirt. DSA is no spring chicken, he knows what he wants to do and knows when is the time for whatever it is, he has plans to do

Demaduka:
DSA, please come back.

Maybe if you offer to pay for his flight and the logistics' cost, for all he plans to do, then you will see him in Nigeria, come to show these moG how to do "it"

paxonel:
At least the man has also discovered what very few people have discovered, that there is huge problem with the fundamentals of Nigerian Christianity and he is saying it so that Nigerians should be careful with people they call pastors

Gbam.

paxonel:
but he himself does not know were to start from, to bring solutions.

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Why you come spoil everything you correctly observed with such a wrong "kick penarity into throw in" conclusion comment like this nah.

paxonel, all you needed to have done was to look up DSA's track record. To have gone to research, check and/or look at a record of his past achievements, which would and/or could serve as a good and/or reliable indicator of the possible solutions DSA plans, has in mind for the country, and be a gauge for future performance.

MuttleyLaff:
You would say that, all because DSA rightly and regularly comes down on your mentor and boss at Christ Embassy, who is in the person of Pastor Chris Oyakhilome

He is not confused, neither is he disillusioned and he has no problem with his mental reasoning.

He's being there, being here, sold it, done it and even have the souvenir t-shirt. He is no spring chicken, he knows what he wants to do and knows when is the time for whatever it is, he has plans to do

"Dr Sunday Adelaja's (DSA) Ministry:
In 1993, 7 people and he founded the "Embassy of the Blessed Kingdom of God for All Nations" in his apartment. The church was officially founded in 1994 as the "World of Faith Bible Church".

In 2013, the church claimed 25,000 members in Kiev, 100,000 members in Ukraine, and 1,000 churches in the rest of the world.

Thousands of people are fed daily in the church’s soup kitchens in Kiev. The church also has a program helping homeless people acquire skills, thus helping them back to a normal life and work. According to the church, 2,000 children have been helped off the street and have been returned to their families.

Furthermore, the church runs a 24-hour hotline, named "Trust line" for people in need to call for help. The church also works with addicted people and has a program helping them to be set free from their various addictions. The main organization is called "Love Rehabilitation Center.”

According to the church, more than 5000 drug and alcohol addicted people have been set free from their addictions through the church’s work.
Homeless people are served food in one of the rooms of the "Stephania" soup kitchen of the Embassy of God church. Picture was taken December 30, 2006.

The New York Times made the following statement about Adelaja: "Could there be a more unlikely success story in the former Soviet Union than the Rev. Sunday Adelaja, an immigrant from Nigeria who has developed an ardent — and enormous — following across Ukraine?"

He founded many educational institutions connected to the church, and among them the following are more known:
#1/ the Joshua Missionary Bible Institute in Ukraine,
#2/ the Center of Restoration of Personality and Transformation of the Society in Ukraine,
#3/ the History Makers Bible School in the USA, the UK, Germany, France,
#4/ and the Institute for National Transformation in Nigeria. "
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunday_Adelaja#Awards_and_honors

Dollarseeker:
Do you know that the scribes and Pharisees in their bid to keep the ten commandments faithfully, had to explicitly itemized and break down the commandments until it was multiplied into 613? They were so afraid of breaking the commandments that they even became imprisoned by it.

When Christ came, he brought down their 613 commands into love of God and neighbour. This is simply to communicate one thing, that we can't keep God's precepts by fear. Fear is enslaving while grace and truth faith is liberating (Romans 8:15)

But today, some of our church ministers prefer their members to remain caged. How can someone tell you about her problems, the first thing a minister will ask is the last time the person paid her tithe or first fruit offering. How does being sick translates to not paying tithe?
The truth is, the reason most Christians give their January salary to pastors even to the detriment of their children's school fees is generally tied to fear. They feel that if they don't, their business or health will not go well. Or if they do, there will be more blessings.

"¹⁶From His fullness we have all received grace upon grace.
¹⁷For the Law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ."
- John 1:16-17

AntiChristian:
Spread the gospel abi spread your own form of the gospel?

Ranchhoddas:
Is there a gospel. I thought you were AntiChristian?

Ah, I caught you, lol, so you've in the background all along being following Antichristian's antecedents, erhn, lol?

Though AntiChristian, yet deep down and inside knows the Gospel, hence the freudian slip, lol, that you noticed Ranchhoddas, lol.

blueAgent:
You are in error.

You fail to understand that God the Father is not Jesus who reincarnated as man, to come to Earth. this is one of the consequence of believing in the false trinity doctrine.

God almighty who is the father cannot pray or fast, for what purpose and to who will he pray to?

Daniel was thrown into the lions den for a crime he did not commit at least before God Daniel was innocent.
Secondly the law was not legitimate as it was crafted or drafted by those who hate Daniel for the purpose of destroying him.

There is no law higher than the law which God has given.
The law is a reflection of God's virtue and character which is Holy and righteous, as God cannot change so also the law cannot be changed

MuttleyLaff:
This is the beauty of breaking bread and sharing it in opened topics like as this one. Interlocutors bring along food, you eat with them on the table, chew the food but making sure not to swallow the bones but to spit them out, lol

blueAgent, my position, is God is not a "not-known-number" of person(s). God, as a matter of fact then, is, x-person and so God, in effect is, ∞-persons, as in, meaning, God, rather, is infinite or infinity and not trinity, lol.

God, is a force, an influence beyond scientific understanding lol, someone without any bound, without limit, without an end. God is the first and the last, God oxymoronically has no beginning and no end. God is a supernatural being, someone bigger and larger than any specified number, even three or trinity. This means, dont put God in a box. It explains why God in His infinite wisdom didnt allow the the word trinity to be printed black and white kokoro out in the Bible, lol

Now going to what you referenced and about the point made by (moniker edited out) when he laid bare Matthew 24:36. Well, you've likely, often heard it said, if you want something done right, you have to do it yourself. Something to be done right is exactly what it's all about and so what God did. This is a matter of the classsic diy aka Do-It-Yourself.

God, can send Himself on an errand, and did send Himself to earth, in the form of Jesus Christ because God simultaneously can be in more than one place at a time (i.e. God can be in Heaven and on earth, at the same time) Note that, Jesus didnt correct people that addressed Him as God, for example, where and when said: "My Lord, My God" to Him

Christ cannot share the same body with God the father, because God is formless. God has no clear definite shape or size. Jesus Christ is the product of God projecting Himself as a human being in the person of Jesus Christ on earth. Jesus Christ is the visible image of the invisible God. Why does Jesus Christ need to be a human being on earth?. Fundamentally, it is because one needs a human body to lawfully and have a permitted way to legally operate on earth. God is not going to be a law breaker and be breaking Genesis 1:26-28

Now, though Jesus is God, He did not think of equality with God, as something to cling to. Instead, He gave up his divine privileges. He took the humble position of a servant and was born as a human being, and so God appeared on earth, in human form, as in, the person of Jesus Christ, God's Son, which means, it is a guarantee and not rocket science, that fathers will always know things that sons will have no idea or knowledge of.

This isnt news anymore

Speak for yourself

I have already predicted an impetuous response like this, so just save it. OK? I have blueAgent, as you can see from the above quotation taken from a post on another thread, that I read it all before, so dont bother trying it here because all this your baseless and/or false trinitarian accusation will not wash. You frankly and simply are barking up the wrong tree.

Now, it seems you want to hear word ni, abi, hmm? Well no problem, your wish is my command, as you've come to the right person, who will give that earful of word, you so seriously want to hear. OK? Now, blueAgent, let's start with, here, five simple, easy, direct and straightforward questions for you to reply to:

#1/ First and foremost, why not tell me, at what point or when in time, did God, start to become and/or became God, the Father, lol?
#2/ From reading Daniel 6:9-10, did Daniel flout the law of the land, and so thereby commit a crime or not against the law of the land, hmm?
#3/ What's the meaning of "secondly the law was not legitimate as it was crafted or drafted by those who hate Daniel for the purpose of destroying him," did King Darius not put the decree in writing ni?
#4/ You said "there is no law higher than the law which God has given." abi? OK then, show me what the law which God has given that you're referring to, and I will too, show you what is the higher, stronger and superior law, lol.
#5/ Tbh you dont at all understand the indication of what you are saying by this "The law is a reflection of God's virtue and character which is Holy and righteous, as God cannot change so also the law cannot be changed." comment. Please is it possible for one law to get overridden and/or countermanded/counteracted by another law at all, lol?

I know it is pointless and a waste of time asking those five questions above because knowing you, you are going to ignore replying to each and/or all of them, lol. As blueAgent cannot change, and as a leopard doesnt change its spots, I know you havent changed from avoiding to reply back to questions and if you, by a freak of nature, do reply back, your reply, definitely would not be in the same format numbering, order and style the questions were asked, lol.

hybraheeem002:
Is this one dancing or twerking

Both

Aboguede:
Abeg who can understand this jargon

I have already predicted an impetuous response like this, so just save it. OK? I've read it all before

Aboguede:
And u are serious writing it

Please tell me what you will think of someone doing a pelvic thrusting dance, as in meaning, do a male version of what that lady did in that place, by gyrating his pelvic and front region in a suggestive manner, where people were having a solemn occasion and thoughtful moment. Hmm?

Mrchukwudi01:
@MuttleyLaff in that kind of settings she should not have behave like that.

There is a time a place in which to do such sexually arousing dancing like that one.

A sane person wouldn't in that setting behave like that.

jcross19:
what can I do for you!

Invited to participate of course

blueAgent:
Central to the Christian  faith and belief is the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, but the question is do we really understand the reason why Jesus had to die in order to save Man?

Why was is impossible to save man without the death of Jesus?
To answer this questions we will look at Daniel's experience and the laws of the Mede's and Persians.

We will begin our study with the book of Daniel 6:1 -end, here we learnt that Daniel was loved by the king Darius who was the king of Mede's and Persians, he set Daniel as the first president over his kingdom, the other presidents conspired and influenced the king to establish a decree that could not be altered and by that means they  got Daniel thrown  into the lion's den.
Now when the King heard that Daniel have been found guilty before the law, the king was sore displeased  with himself and set his heart to deliver Daniel, verse 6:14 but he could not because the law and decree of the Mede's and Persians cannot be changed. verse 15.
When God created the Universe and all living things, God instituted laws and decree that guided the conduct of all his created beings.
Note: Sin is not imputed where there is no law Romans5:13 and sin is defined as the transgression of the law. 1John3:4
When Adam and Eve sinned against God (broke the law) the penalty of sin  which is death came upon him and his descendants(the whole human race)
Romans  6:23  For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Just as king Darius loved Daniel, so also God loved man so much that God laboured so much to deliver man from death.
But as the law made by imperfect Mede's and Persians could not be changed by the king in order to save Daniel how much more the law made by a perfect, Holy, righteous and unchangeable God Malachi 3:6.
God could not go contrary to his law and decree in order to save man, for the law demands death for its transgressors and only by blood is sin purged.

Hebrews  9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

To be honest, candid and without needing to discuss this subject in excessive detail, the $64,000, is, why blood? What is in blood, and dont say and/or give me a "it's power" reply, yeah, what's in blood, whats inside blood, what does this blood actually have the power to do, what's in this particular/kind/type of blood that requires it be shed to that there be remission?

blueAgent:
Like king Darius wanted to save Daniel, God wanted to save humanity from the penalty of death, while king Darius restored to fasting all night on behalf of Daniel, God could not pray or fast to anyone because no one one was higher than him and no one is able to deliver except Him.

You're comparing apples with oranges here with this your thread titled heading and this for the following considerations:

#1/ King Darius could pray or fast to tomorrow and nothing will ever come out of it because the problem on the ground isnt going to be resolved primarily by fasting and prayer
#2/ Though no one is able to deliver except Him, Jesus still fasted and prayed, but the fasting and praying wasnt primarily for the sake of redemption and/or salvation. God could pray and/or fast, but it's just that its not primarily fast and/or pray that will fix the sin problem at hand. It is going to require something effectively more than fast and prayer
#3/ Notice it took God 4000 years long to incarnate, so to appear, on earth and then to according to plan, die 33¹/₂ years after. God didnt necessarily to come fast and pray but to die, and that's die by the shedding blood, His blood that is, lol

blueAgent:
So God restored to the only alternative, and that was to offer his only begotten son, Jesus Christ as a sacrificial lamb or offering to pay the penalty owed the law by man, who could not pay the debt.
Conclusion.
Popular teachings among Christians is that the law (10 commandments) were done away with on the cross by death of Jesus Christ this is unscriptural, rather than do away with the law Jesus magnified and exalted law through his death, just as Prophet Isaiah said he will do. Isaiah 42:21.
He demonstrated that the law like that of  law of medes and Persians cannot changed.

The Experience of Daniel mirrors that of Christ, Just as Daniel was thrown into the lions den for a crime he did not commit so also Christ was crucified for  sins he did not commit. John 15:13. he was crucified to satisfy the just requirement of the law (the 10 commandments) in order to  save humanity from our sins and its penalty (death) Heb 2:9-10.

Thank you reading.

Daniel was thrown into the lions den for commiting a crime, which is not to pray or worship a non-designated deity. It was against the law of the land to do so. Jesus did not commit any crime, so there is no correlation between Daniel and Jesus in the respect and/or picture you tried to paint up.

blueAgent:
https://www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/book/e/25/t/does-god-s-grace-blot-out-the-law-

https://www.ucg.org/bible-study-tools/booklets/the-new-covenant-does-it-abolish-gods-law/what-was-wiped-out-by-jesus-christs-death

I am pleased you provided your sources because I am going to draw your notice to that "amazingfacts.org" link, where it says, with a heading "The Law Still Binding". Now, fyi blueAgent, of course the law is still binding, but the law can be made inoperable by exercising a higher, stronger and superior law. The law can be rendered out of action by another law

AntiChristian:
I think the deceit above is clear enough from the verses. No need to contact holy spirit to explain it. It has been proven God plots in the Bible.

I take it you're hard pressed to explain, exactly, what is not true that Jesus ever has said, lol.

hotmediatv:
A woman was seen in a church dancing profusely as she got attention of members. This dance can be said to be tempting as a man was forced to look away in other not to get tempted.

See video below

There is something for that lady, no matter how its doing her, it is called self-control nah

Also there's that saying that goes like, there is a time a place in which to do such sexually arousing dancing like this one

Davidwilliam101:
Immoralities have eaten deep in this part of the world.

Wherever God erects a house of worship and/or prayer, the Devil, in no time, quickly always will have and/or build a chapel there. Smh mtcheew

Mrchukwudi01:
End time is near, only God can save.

It is revolting. No sane person, in that kind of setting, would behave this way. Imagine a male doing similar, as in meaning like, pelvic thrusting. Smh.