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Mokason28:
Apologies

Accepted and thank you.

AntiChristian:
So here we see that Jesus was deceiving certain people by speaking in parables so that they won't (and God forbid!) REPENT AND BE FORGIVEN!

AntiChristian, if by definition, deception, means, deliberately cause someone to believe something that is not true, and especially for personal gain, then please, in detail, state clearly and leaving no room for confusion or doubt, what is not true that Jesus ever has said.

Mokason28:
I don’t have your time.... its crystal clear you have comprehension issues dats why you added me in ur mentions.

I just smh for you. If you had spared enough time to read, it would have being crystal clear to you that I added you in the mention because I was corroborating the advice you gave to AntiChristian give his/her life to Christ. Now tell, who between the two of us, has the comprehension issues here, hmm?

Mokason28:
Nobody has ever regretted giving his life to Christ
Egbon give your life to Christ

"Very truly I tell you, unless a kernel of wheat falls to the ground and dies,
it remains only a single seed. But if it dies, it produces many seeds
(i.e. its death will produce many new kernels—a plentiful harvest of new lives)"
- John 12:24

AntiChristian, John 12:24 above and the following verses coming below, is the reason, why that no one will ever regret giving his/her life to Christ

AntiChristian:
OK, Mention one verse where Jesus Himself requests me to give Him my life?

"Jesus answered and said to her,
"If you had known the gift of God and who it is saying to you, 'Give Me to drink,'
you would have asked Him, and He would have given to you living water.""
- John 4:10

"He that has an ear let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the congregations {Gr. ekklesia – called out ones};
To him that overcomes I will give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God."
- Revelation 2:7

"And the Spirit and the bride say,
“Come!” And let him who hears say, “Come!” And let him who thirsts come.
Whoever desires, let him take the water of life freely."
- Revelation 22:17

AntiChristian, the above, are the closest, you'll ever get of a verse, where Jesus Himself requests you to give Him your life or give anything else up, for life-giving water.

orisa37:
NOT A PLOT. IT'S A PLAN, WORD OF GOD.
JESUS DOESN'T FORGET NOTHING. HE IS JUST ACTING.
JESUS IS THE SON OF MAN-THE BIRTH-THE CRUCIFIXION AND THE POLITICS.

CHRIST IS THE SON OF GOD-THE RESURRECTION AND THE PHILOSOPHY.

POPE FRANCIS SLAPPED A WOMAN FOR BEING ROUGH TO HIM, AFTER HE, HIMSELF, HAS QUARRIED "LEAD US NOT INTO TEMPTATION BUT DELIVER US FROM EVIL".
SO YOU, PETER WHO CUT OFF THE EAR OF THE CENTURION AND I ARE THE ECONOMIC INTERPRETATION OF THE BIRTH, CRUCIFIXION AND THE RESURRECTION OF THE WORD OF GOD, THAT WAS WITH GOD AND WAS GOD THAT BECOMES THE LIGHT, THE GOOD AND THE LIFE OF THE WORLD.
MAY GOD GRANT US PROPER UNDERSTANDING OF THE FATHER, THE SON AND THE HOLY SPIRIT.

PLOT IS VULGAR. PLAN OR WORD IS BIBLICAL AND PROFESSIONAL.

Gbam.

laosy:
Okay, let me start a trend, I want to know people stands on religion.

Sports, like football/soccer, ice hockey, NFL etcetera is a religion. Fashion is a religion. Pastafarianism is a religion. Atheism is a religion, lol, etcetera is a religion.

I am sure you've come across one, two and/or more, lol, person(s) that are SBNR (i.e. Spiritual but not "religious", or also known as, SBNA (i.e. Spiritual but not affiliated)

True religion, cuts right through whatever in Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism, New Age, Atheism, ATR etcetera you believe in and whatever these faith/belief represents. True religion, goes beyond the range or limits of Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism, New Age, Atheism, ATR etcetera

laosy:
I grew up in a Christian home, but I have this feeling or should I call it doubt of the right religion, I know everything in this life can't be a coincidence, there must be a superior being controlling this universe but we are not sure of the right way to approach him

You're definitely correct to have the feeling that there is, the right religion, as in meaning a religion that's true, pure and such one that God finds no fault in.

laosy:
So my question is simple, and it's IS THERE A RIGHT WAY OF WORSHIPPING THIS SUPERIOR BEING!?

Evidently, there's a sharp distinction between religion and worship, and so you've made a right decision, to now change your focus from "right religion" to "right way of worshipping" that led you to ask this simple question

Aside, the right way of worshipping the superior and supernatural being, I am sure you know that, some people worship their belly/stomach (i.e. check Philippians 3:19, for reference), some people worship their fellow human beings (i.e. check Acts 10:25-26, for reference) Some people worship inanimate objects, for example, effigies, rivers, rocks, mountains, ancestors etcetera

Anyway, yeah, absolutely, there is a right way of worshipping the superior and supernatural being, to the same extent, is the simple answer.

AntiChristian:
https://www.nairaland.com/5619723/jesus-forgets-plot#5619723.5

"And Jesus answering, said, "You do not know what you ask for.
Are you able to drink the cup which I am about to drink?""
- Matthew 20:22a

""Now my soul is troubled, and what shall I say? 'Father, save me from this hour'?
No, it was for this very reason I came to this hour."
- John 12:27

"Jesus said to Peter, "Put your sword back in its place!
Do you think that I will not drink the cup of suffering which my Father has given me?""
- John 18:11

Thanks but no thanks for sign-posting me to this link and the original post there, but you werent expecting me to "second guess" what your point is, do you? Besides I dont see, any proof of God, ever saying God was afraid of His plan to die? Also, you in a way, that fits well with your "agenda" decided to not quote Matthew 26:38 right on to Matthew 26:39, to show where Jesus said "But let Your will be done rather than Mine". Or how about Luke 22:42's "Father, if you are willing, please take this cup of suffering away from me. Yet I want your will to be done, not mine." This is not a talk of someone afraid of God's plan, but is the human dimension of Jesus saying something to the effect of: "is having to go through all this looming suffering, really necessary, but hey dont mind Me, let Your plan and will be done God"

You dont all appreciate and/or understand the gravity and extent of the suffering Jesus went through at the hands of deliberately cruel, grudge-bearing, vindinctice baying for blood people. Jesus had His beard plucked from His face as He was lead to His death at calvary. Jesus was so much and that much beaten, the bible said, to the extent He was unrecognisable. The bible said because of the immense torture Jesus was subjected to, people recoiled from looking at Him, because of the shock of seeing the awful, horrific and appalling state of Him.

Jesus was not and never afraid of God's plan for man's redemption and salvation, rather He was concerned of the "bestial" cruelty of man. No creature could ever be so cruel as man, who can be so artfully and so artistically cruel. Man didnt disappoint, they showed their worst on that day on the way to Calvary and at hill of Calvary.

Matthew 20:22a, John 12:27, John 18:11 and other verses doesnt show Jesus saying He is afraid of God plan. Doesnt show Jesus of being afraid to die. Rather they all show, someone being admirably brave and determined to see God's plan come into fruition.

AntiChristian:
hermaphrodite means a half man half woman. Here I used it to mean half God half human!

If according to your correct definition of hermaphrodite meaning a half man half woman, then how did you manage to make the huge leap to equate hermaphrodite to mean half God half human, hmm? Are we to go along with your sentiment here to say the South African middle-distance runner Caster Semenya, then, is half God half human hmm? I dont think you thought it through properly enough before you made your comment

AntiChristian:
We are 100% man
God is 100% God

Affirmative 1000%

AntiChristian:
Your Jesus is an hermaphrodite or a hoax?

Where is your proof of God, ever saying God was afraid of His plan to die?
Anyway, explain what is a hermaphrodite please, lol?

Demaduka:
Truth is bitter

The bitter truth is, deception hurts more than truth does, and the moment, someone stands up to speak truth, they lose popularity. Case in point, DSA.

Demaduka:
remember, so my apology.

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I am glad you know you're an apology
and that so 'cos you cant handle the truth

Maximus69:
Keep dribbling yourself Sir!

Tatime got the message, IF YOU'RE NOT ONE OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES, YOU CAN NEVER FIT IN TO EITHER OF THE TWO QUOTATIONS!

You're not going to be more of a JW, if I never fit into either of the two quotations, whatever what "the two quotations" means.

TATIME, saw and noticed how you were fumbling and each time dropping the ball, he just had to step to sweep and try to clear up the floor for you. Trust me, TATIME will soon come with a much appropriate word other than love, and than your hide and seek, ducking and diving displays, for what is religion that's true, pure and such that God finds faultless.

Just by the way, as I digress with a somewhat related matter to wht we are discussing here. Maximus and TATIME, what do you think is lacking with these two parents, as in, that is not religion that's pure, true and one that God will find a fault with in the following URL link please:https://www.nairaland.com/5621955/lagos-saves-baby-jehovahs-witnesses#85636116

I am briefly popping out say for at least an hour, so I'll soon come brb, lol

TATIME:

Good morning Mr MuttleyLaff!
I think he has given a Bible quotation to answer your question but if you're not careful enough you won't notice it. In the post he is referring you to, he quoted the Bible book of James 1:27!

Perhaps you disagreed with his analysis of the verse by pointing to the organization of JWs as the one and only Christian group doing what he quoted. But as for one word that one is "LOVE" and love has four versions,
(1) love that's between blood relations.
(2) love that's based on sexual attraction.
(3) love that's based on want like that of money.
(4) love that's unconditional.
The fourth one is called Agape.
This love is what James analysed but Maximus is saying only one group is truthfully practicing this type of love globally ~ JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

Thank you very much Mr TATIME. May God bless you very real good for stepping in between Maximus69 and I to clear some cobwebs. I just knew it's a matter of time before a voice of reason comes in. TATIME, though I love your perspective and choice of single ONE word, that typifies religion that is pure, true and one that God finds faultless, I am just about to have a power sleep and so wouldn't be able right now properly respond to your post here. Please excuse me for a few hours just enough for me to rest my eyes.

Yes, Maximus69 choice of James 1:27 is spot on and is the appropriate and most suited biblical verse for the single ONE word other than LOVE that you, unlike our Maximus69 who wouldn't, kindly advanced.

For some reasons that I don't know, I am sure that before I wake up from my power snooze, by the grace of God, you would, after more deeper thought, advance a more appropriate ONE word other than LOVE, lol.

Maximus69:
The unbeliever wants a Christian to summarize what the ALMIGHTY GOD narrated in a big book consisting 66 little books with 1189 chapters and 31,200 verses in ONE SINGLE WORD!

Are you capable at all, of stopping being dishonest because I dont see anywhere on this thread, anyone, asking you to summarize what the ALMIGHTY GOD narrated in a big book consisting 66 little books with 1189 chapters and 31,200 verses. If that was the request, the answer to that would be the Gospel (i.e. the awaited, long anticipated and now here Good News)

Maximus69:
Keep beating yourself in regret Sir, you're not a Christian. All you need to do now is comply with what TRUE Christians have resolved in their midst because the KEY is with them {Matthew 16:18-19} and start working with them to prove yourself worthy of salvation. Otherwise you are on your own Sir! Luke 11:23

Dont mind whatever I am, all you need to do now Maximus69, is give ONE word that is a perfect example of and stands for what religion that is true, pure and such that God finds no fault in, is, then advance a biblical verse that succintly support the ONE word answer you propose.

If you can't put what religion that is true, pure and such that God finds no fault with it, in ONE word, then you don't yourself understand that what is the ONE word the religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless. I just dont know the reason, why you seem to be hung on thinking that the answer is worship, lol, smh. No wonder the DSS is a real dog's breakfast

princevinco:
After all said and done, DSA should be persuaded to come back to Nigeria as he said that God supernaturally instructed him.

h ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcRH2-2w2Mg
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Be there busy, taking turns, switching between your alternate monikers, OK?

Are you aware how long it took God to come down to earth? It's a rhetorical question, an answer is not actually demanded from you because I would tell you how long.

It took God 4000 years. Now we are 2000 years and still counting, waiting for Jesus' return. Instead of taking "panadull" for another man's "heart ache," why not find a quiet corner in, to go figure, the rest. Hmm?, smh

Demaduka:
When you see a chronic unbeliever talking you know it. I said it because they have problem with their mental reasoning.

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When you read an ad hominem attack, the sort, just like this done here by Demaduka against another poster, but not against the content of the poster's comment, it is highly flattering. It shows that the person, Demaduka, is unable to deal with and/or say anything of intelligence about the content of the poster's comment, and so then resorts, to making disparaging remark(s) on this other poster, as a strategy, instead of countering this other poster's comments.

Demaduka:
They can argue that it is raining when the sun is shinning and will be greeting goodnight while it is morning. They call what is wrong right and what is right wrong. Of a truth, often you can't say the bases of their argument. Or they know is that they are airing their opinion which they are entitled to.

Demaduka, you employ overused phrases as a form of strategy, but you're oblivious to the fact that it betrays you of your lack of original thought. It exposes your lack of sincerity and dearth of meaningful content.

Janosky:
John 10:36
then what about the One whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world?
How then can you accuse Me of blasphemy for stating that I am the Son of God?

John 17:21
that all of them may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I am in You.
May they also be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me.

** John 17:21 Jesus Christ says Trinitarian view of John 10:30 is off key, a FRAUD.

"²¹that all of them may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I am in You.
May they also be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me.
²²I have given them the glory You gave Me, so that they may be one as We are one— "
- John 17:21-22

Why you dont know that John 17:21 is a prayer and that the next verse John 17:22, is confirming there is division into parts of God, meaning God is ONE, huh? Smh.

Janosky:
John 10:30. 1 Cor 3:8 Your deity is in agreement with his God & Father "because everything I have learned from My Father I have made known to you."

1 Cor 3:8 "Are One" does not mean the same being. John 8:28,40-42, "I came from God"

Janosky, you're more confused than a fart, let loose, on the production line floor, of fan making factory. Only God can help you Janosky, in your proof-texting antics with 1 Corinthians 3:8

Fyi, the only way, Jesus is able to learn everything He learned from God, the Father, is because He is and was, from the beginning always with God, right even before God became a Father, lol. Ouch that last bit comment, really is going to tie your hosiery up in a knots, lol. It is going to mess up your theology, going to give you indigestion, lol

Janosky:
Where does MuttleyLaff come from?

MuttleyLaff, just as you are Janosky, is created from dust by God. God breathed the breath of life into MuttleyLaff and so MuttleyLaff became a living person. Now when MuttleyLaff's time is up, God's breath/spirit will leave Muttleylaff's body to return back to God where it came from and MuttleyLaff will return to dust. Now, MuttleyLaff's absence from the body, is to, in a future date, be present with the Lord. Dont worry about all these comment here. It needs a moment chew over to understand it lol

Janosky:
does MuttleyLaff understand Jesus statement?

I can 1000% assure you that MuttleyLaff understands Jesus statement. I seriously doubt Janosky understands Jesus statement though

Janosky:
Jesus Christ can never do anything without his Father's approval.

Janosky, can your Nairaland typed out words, do anything without your approval? Can they appear here without your approval? Can your spoken words come out of you, Janosky, without your approval, hmm? I am sure you've got the gist and realised it is unnecessary to say, Jesus Christ can never do anything without his Father's approval. Everyone that knows, already know this

Janosky:
Matt 10:32,33. Rev 3:5,12. In heaven, your deity says he will deny ALL Trinitarians before his God & Father in heaven.

Janosky you're again proof-texting and adding extra details to Matthew 10:32-33, Revelation 3:5 and Revelation 3:12 that are untrue. Txs, txs, txs, tsx, smh

Janosky:
Una Trinitarians misquote John 10:30 & 8:58 dey deceive yourselves.

Janosky, I am not here to hold brief for the Trinitarians, so I'll gladly let the Trinitarians themselves, defend theirselves.

Meanwhile Janosky John 10:30 fyi, simply is saying there's is ONE God, and John 8:58 that Jesus existed before Abraham was ever born. So, the idea of presenting John 10:30 and John 8:58 here, is to draw Preciousgirl's attention to those two facts and particularly that unmistakable I AM characteristic that confirms Jesus is God, hence the realisation of where the knowledge came from

MuttleyLaff:
This is the beauty of breaking bread and sharing it in opened topics like as this one. Interlocutors bring along food, you eat with them on the table, chew the food but making sure not to swallow the bones but to spit them out, lol

Janosky, my position, is God is not a "not-known-number" of person. God, as a matter of fact then, is, x-person and so God, in effect is, ∞-persons, as in, meaning, God, rather, is infinite or infinity and not trinity, lol.

God, is a force, an influence beyond scientific understanding lol, someone without any bound, without limit, without an end. God is the first and the last, God oxymoronically has no beginning and no end. God is a supernatural being, someone bigger and larger than any specified number, even three or trinity. This means, dont put God in a box. It explains why God in His infinite wisdom didnt allow the the word trinity to be printed black and white kokoro out in the Bible, lol

Now going to what you referenced and about the point made by (moniker edited out) when he laid bare Matthew 24:36. Well, you've likely, often heard it said, if you want something done right, you have to do it yourself. Something to be done right is exactly what it's all about and so what God did. This is a matter of the classsic diy aka Do-It-Yourself.

God, can send Himself on an errand, and did send Himself to earth, in the form of Jesus Christ because God simultaneously can be in more than one place at a time (i.e. God can be in Heaven and on earth, at the same time) Note that, Jesus didnt correct people that addressed Him as God, for example, where and when said: "My Lord, My God" to Him

Christ cannot share the same body with God the father, because God is formless. God has no clear definite shape or size. Jesus Christ is the product of God projecting Himself as a human being in the person of Jesus Christ on earth. Jesus Christ is the visible image of the invisible God. Why does Jesus Christ need to be a human being on earth?. Fundamentally, it is because one needs a human body to lawfully and have a permitted way to legally operate on earth. God is not going to be a law breaker and be breaking Genesis 1:26-28

Now, though Jesus is God, He did not think of equality with God, as something to cling to. Instead, He gave up his divine privileges. He took the humble position of a servant and was born as a human being, and so God appeared on earth, in human form, as in, the person of Jesus Christ, God's Son, which means, it is a guarantee and not rocket science, that fathers will always know things that sons will have no idea or knowledge of.

This isnt news anymore

Speak for yourself

You really next time, lol, need to correctly know whom you indiscriminately call a Trinitarian

GeniusWannabe:
Bunch of gullible people who don't read their bibles personally.

Find the exit sign and do a sharp sharp mass exodus movement of the people outside

PS: I've just gone back to watch the clip all over again. It seems he was doing a dramatisation showing the power of the Holy Spirit, apparently with a few good actors in the congregation playing along.

Preciousgirl:
I was wondering.
Looking critically at every man in the Bible, you realise, they were taught at a point. From Adam, through to Enoch, Abraham, Jacob, Moses etc all learnt through their lives, they were tutored to know what they knew.

I juxtaposed the lives of these men against that of Jesus. You realise, no one ever taught Jesus. He started teaching when he was just a little boy. Where did Jesus get His knowledge?

"I and the Father, are one"
- John 10:30

"“Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one!""
- Deuteronomy 6:4

"Jesus answered,
"I tell you for certain that even before Abraham was, I was, and I AM.""
- John 8:58

"Then He opened their mind to understand the Scriptures"
- Luke 24:45

With the exception of Adam, himself and the exception is to a certain degree actually, every other person, from Adam, through to Enoch, Abraham, Jacob, Moses etc all learnt through their lives, they were tutored to know what they knew

Where did Jesus get His knowledge? Well where else from do you think? It is from the same source Adam got his accelerated knowledge from. Of course, Jesus got His knowledge from Himself, that's God. Watch Luke 24:45 above, lol.

Maximus69:
You need not bother yourself further over pure worship Sir!

Maximus69, you still havent given the single ONE word. You were asked to give, one word and to back up that same one word answer with a scriptural verse that corrobates the one word answer you gave, but all you're doing is playing a "boju-boju, should I open my eyes, should I not open my eyes" hide and seek game.

Maximus69:
God inspired 40 humans to pen down 66 books consisting 1189 chapters and 31,200 verses on one topic "PURE WORSHIP"
But Satan's agents like you walked up to Jesus, demanding a phrase to summarize everything! Matthew 22:35-36
Honest hearted and sincere atheists on this forum can now figure out the answer in my post, so i'm satisfied!

I am sorry but this comment looks like it was typed by ..., just let me bite my tongue here

Honest hearted and sincere readers on this forum can now figure out from what you've poorly given as the answer in your post, that you are incapable of seeing anything other than from seeing it from your warped lenses

Maximus69:
Now with that single post atheists can now see that you and your folks are NOT Christians, at least if an atheist don't feel like obeying God's word because he/she wants absolute freedom, they can't point accusing fingers to Jesus or TRUE Christians for any atrocity committed in the name of RELIGION!

You always have to personalise things and be at strife

Maximus69:
Cheers my friend!

Dont with "Cheers my friend!" and a smile, pour marijuana into my pocket please. Two simple, easy, straightforward and direct request. Give ONE word and one bible verse that corroborates the given one word, has turned into something hard and difficult for some, to do. Smh.

CaveAdullam:
Wisdom is hidden in details and he that want to overcome lust must pay attention to this detail.
Well done old classic specimen of a human being.

You're too kind, but then lust, really and truly has its place and time. We are to lust correctly and rightfully, which means lust, funnily enough and in a very strange or unusual manner, can be a good thing, so long it is not abused, misused and/or disused, lol. We all know that we are to lust after those things that God wants us to lust after. David was a man after God's own heart, yet he lusted the wrong way, well, we thank God, that the bible is rife with what is the sin of lust and how to fight or overcome it.

AntiChristian:
What here to think about? It's either Jesus is man or God? He can't be 100%man and 100%God. If he's a man then he's not God. If he's God then can God be afraid of his own plan to die?

Jesus is man God. He is 100%man and 100%God. That isnt and there is nothing hard for God to do, lol. Have you proof of God, ever saying God was afraid of His plan to die

tpiar:
What to do after lusting? We seem to be discussing a lot of lust but I'm not seeing any meaningful advice or suggestions on what should be done after Christian or church going lusters have lusted. I might not be aware of any, I mean.

Few things:
- No old testament radically dramatic fixes specifically picked for shock value. Thanks as you comply.
- Fornication and adultery should not be considered an option
- Share how you overcame your lust if applicable or if you want to.
- Hope the lust didnt chase you from Christianity or Christian morals?

What to do after lusting, is to engage a fight-or-flight response. Prepare and get the body ready to fight or flee, lol.

What did Joseph do when he found himself caught in the thick of a compromising position/situation? He tore himself away from the clutches of Potiphar's tempting, attractive, sexually arousing and exciting wife, left his garment in her hand, fled, escaped and ran outside.

What did king David do when he found himself looking down at a compromising position/situation?. He stood his ground, waited there enjoying himself taking pleasure in greatly getting a kick out of watching Bathsheba cleansing herself (i.e. doing the purification from her monthly period). There are a lot of lessons to learn from king David's. Like, the devil finds work for idle hands, like idle hands are tools in the devil's workshop, like dont wait and be eyes opened staring waiting for the insect to fly in, lol. Like, flee, run for dear life, that much your feet arent touching the ground. Like, man up, culvitivate some strong backbone, self-control, self-restraint, self-discipline, will power, the ability to control your feelings and overcome whatever the weaknesses maybe (i.e. maybe lusting after women, over indulgence alcohol, abusive gambling etcetera)

The other most important thing is having a paradigm shift. This is something I and Finallydead were going to talk about and explain the dynamics of it to WinningEleven. Paradigm shift, is change that happens when the usual way of thinking about something, somebody and/or anything, or the usual way of seeing something, somebody and/or anything, or even the usual way of doing something, is replaced by a new and different way, and all that down to having a better understanding, having a proper awareness of facts etcetera.

AntiChristian:
You can't overcome lust when you free-mix with ladies puting on sexy apparels! No amount of "heart-conditioning'' can save you.

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Self-restraint is a learned and/or acquired skill. Overcoming lust comes with training of the mind. Like get to the point, of giving a cat a bowl of milk to guard and nothing happens to the milk getting being slurped up by the cat, lol

Please ignore the fearless cat in the above picture, that's a red herring, the real objects of interest in the above picture, are the self-disciplined Alsatian German Shepherd dogs, staying in their stations and not going chasing after the bold and without a care in the world taking a stroll in a beautiful bright sunning vitamin D day cat. That is the beauty of self-discipline, captured in "a picture is worth a thousand words" taken shot.

Some cats can be left to guard a fish without eating it and some can be given a bowl of milk to guard without licking it.
Now, if one is not fortified, if one is not grounded in the word of God, if one is not standing on the word of God, if one loses focus on God, if one hasnt the regard for God in him, like Joseph had (i.e. Genesis 39:9) and if one is not self disciplined, then one is giving the devil a freehand and easy access to try and exploit weakness or dent(s) in ones armour.

One has it or one doesnt has it. You see, one needs to grow and build up self restraint. King David lacked enough self-restraint, this is why upon seeing a "näked" and alluring Bathsheba, he was unable to restrain himself unable to hold it back together, unable to look the other way, unable to vacate immediately that vantage high point he was at watching Bathsheba from.

The test of a man, just like in the garden of Eden is to have something too attractive and tempting before him/her, to see how or how not he/her will do when no one is watching. Will he/her resist. lol. There are too many weak males about who call themselves men, they are nothing than fake and weak arse men, lol

AntiChristian:
In this era of slay queens....we now have slay queens for Christ!

Well, the insect eating away the vegetable leaves, actually lives in the vegetable leaf, lol.

AntiChristian:
Even if Jesus were to enter some churches nowadays, He will close his eyes...

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You are right on the money. What you wrote about that even if Jesus were to enter some churches nowadays, He will close His eyes is completely accurate. That is one of the first line of defense. Look, but see no evil, lol, or better still, just close the eyes, and then find the exit pronto or sharpishly, lol.

Do you know why there are no woman Imam?

AntiChristian:
All na lie Sha...

"All na lie Sha..." what's that supposed to mean? Care to give more details and/or examples, on this, hmm?

Maximus69:
The answer is n the post you commented on!

Say the ONE word here

Maximus69:
It's Satan's agents that used to demand for ONE WORD answer to tough questions

"I didnt ask you draw to attention to what anyone else is doing. It was a simple, easy, straighforward and direct request ..."
- The Death Of The Iranian Military Commander Shows Earth Is A Dump Site. by MuttleyLaff: at 3:44pm On Jan 08

Maximus69:
Christians are always eager to learn by listening to extensive explanations on serious topics.

Havent you heard dont jump the gun? Who solicited explanations from you? You were asked to give, one word and to back up that same one word answer with a scriptural verse that corrobates the one word answer you gave.

Only you know what's scaring you, only you know why you're avoiding the one word answer, why you cant commit yourself to an one word response. You're hiding under a haystack of needless protractions, smh.

Maximus69:
So if can't figure out the answer to your question in the post, then i'm sorry for you!

Save the sorry for yourself, be sorry for yourself that you havent carefully enough studied to present yourself approved to God. You should be sorry and ashamed of yourself for unable to give the ONE word, that is a perfect example of what religion is, that is pure, true and one that God doesnt find a fault in, smh.

Maximus69:
Haaaaaaaaaaaaaa! Even Jesus did not answer the question about pure worship in one word, that's why he delivered so many speeches to help his listeners. But i'll try to be as brief as possible and provide the back up scripture!

©We need to take special interest in widows and orphans!

The bolded means women whose husbands are no more, and fatherless children. Jehovah's Witnesses move all around in their neighborhood to locate these ones.
Majority of them don't really feel the need of what they lack, widows are supposed to feel the need for a partner in making tough decisions and taking care of them, while orphans need parents who will care for them materially, morally and spiritually. The one and only person who can feel in this gap when human (husbands and fathers) failed or died is JEHOVAH! Psalms 27:10
He will not come down, so he ORGANIZED a people for his name {Act 15:14} globally to take charge of this responsibility. That's why Jehovah's Witnesses globally are moving from house to house searching for those who FEEL THIS NEED {Matthew 5:3} and after finding them {Matthew 10:6} we help them to cultivate the same habit of caring for others! Hebrew 10:24-25

©And to keep ourselves SPOTLESS in the world!

Jehovah's Witnesses remains NEUTRAL in all the RACIAL disputes going on in the world today. We refused to be lured into hating and killing our fellowman because of POLITICS. We believe that God should be the one ruling mankind and any human filling that position now is working under the influence of Satan the devil who is the overall ruler of the earth! 1 John 5:19 compared to John 14:30

We CARE for widows, orphans and remain SPOTLESS in this crooked generation! James 1:27

That's why we don't agree that anyone who is NOT with us in doing what God's holy spirit has helped us to grasp CANNOT be a Christian! Luke 11:23

MuttleyLaff:
Maximus69, let's cut to the chase and here's what I need you to do for both of us.

Please Maximus69, just give one word, that tells, what it is, religion is, that is true and pure, and such that God finds no fault in it. In addition too, please also back up that same one word, with a "hit the nail on the head" bible verse that corroborates the one word answer you are giving. Thank you in advance.

Can you please stick to singing from the same hymn sheet, hmm? With all due respects, all I asked you to do, is give one word, for what religion is, that is true and pure, and such that God finds no fault in it.

I didnt ask you draw to attention to what anyone else is doing. It was a simple, easy, straighforward and direct request, which was, give one word for religion is, that is true and pure, and such that God finds no fault in it. Why you wont stick to the script, I dont know. Only you know, why you had to go off on a tangent, listing achievements and be doing chest beatings.

Let's restart all over again Maximus69, OK? Please Maximus69, give one word for what religion is, that is true and pure, and such one that God finds no fault in it. Provide a bible verse that confirms and/or gives support to your one word answer. Thanks again in advance, and especially, for sticking to the script this time.

iPrevail:
Which religion or belief do you attribute this impartial kingdom of God to?

It is the proper religion, it is one that's true and pure that even God finds no fault in. It is religion thats a verb and not noun.

iPrevail:
All religions, as I understand them to be, are prejudiced and discriminatory.

I would to some extent agreevwith you, as football, lol is and/or can be prejudiced and discriminatory

iPrevail:
And all the gods we have in every existing religion discriminates. So help me understand what you are talking about

I think you seem to be here, confusing and mistaking faith with religion. Religion, is something you with consistent and conscientious regularity, as in meaning, you do it very regularly because you feel you need to/have to it, lol. Faith, on the other hand, your strong belief based on spiritual and/or personal conviction rather than proof. The two arent necessarily interchangeable, they arent exactly the same.

Ranchhoddas:
Quoting me. I dey feel like Ghandi.

Is this same Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi, who looked down on blacks, especially black Southern Africans for that matter, hmm. I am not going to dignify him by repeating his racist comments here, suffice to say, you wouldnt be nice and feeling like Ghandi, if you know what he told of you as a human being, lol

Ranchhoddas:
My views have are never static. I think someone practicing "true religion" will be one who does to others as he wants to be done to him. Whether he belongs to an organized body or not is immaterial.

Whats the word one, that will be what you want others to do to you and same that you will willingly reciprocate, lol, hmm?

I glad you seem to subscribe to the notion that "true religion" goes beyond the range and/or limits of Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism, New Age, Atheism, ATR etcetera and whatever it is they are and may be, lol. "True religion" cuts right through whether you believe in or not in, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism, New Age, Atheism, ATR etcetera, lol.

Do you know when your views will become static, lol, Ranchhoddas? Your views will become static at the point of when head on hit on to an absolute truth and/or fact, lol

Bacteriologist:
Why I believe all religions are false:

Because they necessitate mysticism - which is acceptance of allegations without proof, which are separate from or completely against the perceptions of the senses or one's reason.

Religion requires some non-sensory, non-rational, non-definable, non-identifiable means of knowledge, that we call "revelation." It requires us to reject as inferior the reality in which live - the one we know is real; the one we can see, touch, feel, hear, and taste - and accept as superior, some alternate reality - one we cannot perceive.

It is anti-life, anti-mind, and anti-knowledge. I cannot accept this. And no religion can prove this other world exists, nor convince me why I must believe in it. But you may try if you wish.

shadeyinka:
I agree with you. It's the same reason I don't believe in LOVE. Love is intangible, unquantifiable, it isn't even real based on examples of those who married out of love. So also is dark matters, up till now, no-one has been able to measure, quantify it yet scientists believe it exists.

Consciousness is another thing that I am certain does not exist.

I reject consciousness as inferior to the reality in which live - if consciousness is real, then we can and should be able to see, touch, feel, hear, and taste - and accept as superior.

I am still waiting for someone to argue that consciousness is real. Any who takes such a position is as ignorant as the cold moon!

shadeyinka, why dont you re-write your comment above there but re-write it without the sarcasm

Maximus69:
You know i can't bear such lies most especially when you specifically mention JW!

First of all, only those who are able to imitate Jesus in thoughts, words and actions that will be permitted in God's kingdom!
It means they're the ones who believed (trusted) Jesus' teachings and put faith in it by carrying out his orders. John 3:16

No Muslims or Buddhists will be in God's kingdom! Anyone practicing such form of worship now must be taught Jesus' orders {Matthew 28:20} otherwise, they will PERISH!

Now coming to the issue of Jehovah's Witnesses, all the religions on planet earth are under the disguised ruler of the world (Satan) that's why they easily are influenced to hate and kill one another! The one and only organization that has taught their members to DROP ALL WEAPONS OF WAR (Matthew 26:52} are Jehovah's Witnesses.

So when Jesus said "BY THEIR FRUIT YOU WILL RECOGNISE THEM" {Matthew 7:15-18} he was making a distinction between false religions claiming Christians and his TRUE followers!

If the spirit operating in your religion is not powerful enough to remove destructive weapons of war from the hands of members of your religion, i'm sorry such a religion is NOT for the PRINCE OF PEACE ~Jesua Christ! Isaiah 2:1-4

Maximus69, let's cut to the chase and here's what I need you to do for both of us.

Please Maximus69, just give one word, that tells, what it is, religion is, that is true and pure, and such that God finds no fault in it. In addition too, please also back up that same one word, with a "hit the nail on the head" bible verse that corroborates the one word answer you are giving. Thank you in advance.

Maximus69:
You're on point Sir. Satan wasn't mentioned in the event.

It was God's only begotten son JESUS CHRIST while revealing sacred secrets to his beloved Apostle John that he told us that Satan used the serpent in Genesis as a puppet. So that's how true Christians IDENTIFIED that serpent as Satan! Revelations 12:9

And as regards the curse, well God's word said the serpent will continue to move about on it's belle. It's just few decades ago after a thorough research on the skeleton of snakes that we discovered that they supposed to have FOUR LEGS. But why the legs disappeared our scientists couldn't figure out the answer.

That's why a former military intelligence officer like me have to bow to the wisdom found in God's word (Bible)!

tungamaje:
Sir, as a Bible student myself, I always try not to add or remove from the book. That place you quoted is talking about a different thing, not what happened in the Garden of Eden. Remember Jesus revealed to John what would happen in the future, not what happened earlier. Re:1:1: The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John. What Jesus was telling John was that the main character in that particular prophecy would be like the Garden of Eden serpent, a deceiver. Please re-read that chapter from the beginning.

MuttleyLaff:
For the umpteenth time, the snake never at any time talked, as it came about in the ''post-''
(i.e. snake didnt exist or never existed in the the ''pre-'')
Snake is an aftermath of a serpent ''makeover''
Get your fact right and stop sensationalising the title
The title misleads the readership, gives a false impression that snake ever talked
Is it that hard opening a thread to present your question and/or information on the serpent without resorting to a sensational & pimped up title, huh?

MuttleyLaff:
What precisely is wrong in the logic

Yes, I am seriously quoting from the same book you seemingly are questioning its author(s)
Have you got an alternative book(s) you'll prefer I quote from?

I respect logic, I admire logic, I am a fan of logic, which all is why I frequently use deductive reasoning or logical deduction and it hasn't and/or doesnt deter me believing the testimony of Moses

The truth here, is you and menesheh are larking about, you both think you're testing the water with just feet only dipped in
but what you both aren't realising, is that, you're swimming towards the deep end, if not already in it.
You've also proven you're whippersnapper which is why and how Exodus 33:23 went straight and totally over your head

SMH + facepalm
Do I really have to break down the difference(s) between the serpent and snake?
Do I have to explain and show the bare facts and basics?
Dont you know that what tricked Eve wasnt a snake but it was serpent (i.e. it was nachash, an upright talking bright shinning creature)
Apart from GOD'S WORD® Translation, show us any other Bible translations, from the many out there, which in Gen 3:1 etcetera use snake for serpent.

Again SMH + facepalm
If from being at the top of the Animal Kingdom chart, to being at the bottom is not demotion, then I dont know what that is called.
If from being upright, to crawling on the belly, or if from having arms and legs, to having them ''cut off'' is not demotion, then I dont know what that is called.

If nachash (i.e. serpent that talked) got transformed (i.e. had a ''makeover'') into a snake which couldnt talk or ever talked, then what demotion means, needs to be re-defined then

I dont know what irrational fear you harbor but this is no illogical reasoning

Who said snakes are extinct or have gone into extinction?

https://s14.postimg.org/4bctu2kbl/normal_tree_of_life.jpg
Serpent has never been part of any scientific study
and this is because serpent is not an animal/creature to study in zoology

Have you ever researched the classification of animal before?
Have studied a reptile and/or animal kingdom chart before?
Until now have you ever looked at a picture of a ''Tree of Life'' before?

https://s14.postimg.org/7gxfka2xt/class_Animals.jpg
Apart from not seeing fantasy creatures or animals such as unicorns, mermaids, ''i[i]win'[/i]', dragons, gremlins, etcetera do you see serpent in any reptile and/or animal kingdom chart similar to this at all? Why? It's a no-brainer, its simply because the moment the serpent got transformed into a snake, it stopped existing anymore as serpent, lol.

I dont know anything about a talking ''snake'' and neither know anything about Adam & Eve eating a forbidden ''apple.'' I think you're catching the drift (i.e. serpent is not snake, just as the fruit isn't an apple)

I am not being delusional, you asked if I've found the fossil so what is unhealthy in admitting that I am not looking for fossils. I am not looking for something, not lost. I take it you impressively and definitely arent among the looking for ''missing link'' bandwagon then

It's not my book, it is not my manual, nevertheless, I totally agree with you that, it is an interesting book

What stole your love of the book and/or robbed you of the love of bible study, now that you're grown

"You're confused hence the reason, without taking into account the ''pre-'' and ''post-'' of the event, you posted a thread with a misleading title
I said the title was misleading and needed changing,
I dont know how you pulled ''confusing'' out of the hat

Serpent talked in the ''pre-''
Snake never at any time talked, as it came about in the ''post-'' (i.e. snake didnt exist or never existed in the the ''pre-'')
Snake is an aftermath of a serpent ''makeover''
Capisce?"
- Re: Question: Talking Snake by MuttleyLaff: 11:08pm On Aug 08, 2015

":What is the dictionary definition of a serpent?"
- Re: Question: Talking Snake by theAtheist101: 3:33pm On Aug 09, 2015

"I dont give a foxtrot uniform charlie kilo over what the dictionary definition of a serpent is, as from a biblical viewpoint, a serpent became a snake and this isnt vice versa

By the way, here is a simple and good serpent or snake litmus test.
When next you find the creature slithering in your balcony at night, shout out Serpent! Serpent!!
No one is going to correct you or teach you to shout it by its actual name (i.e. which is snake, snake) for the calvary to come running to help or for immediate and express aid to turn up"
- Re: Question: Talking Snake by MuttleyLaff: 11:48pm On Aug 09, 2015

Adam blamed Eve for eating the fruit, Eve blamed the Serpent, and the formerly talkative Serpent, not only turned speechless at Eve, it ended up as a snake that didn't have a leg to stand on, lol.

stupidity:
go on!! The is a faceless forum. Saying the honest truth won’t hurt me.

"There is no such thing as "true and pure religion". Only exists in the minds of the believers. I'm sure Jihadists think their religion is "true and pure". If there were any such thing it would be apparent to everyone, or at least the majority."
- by Ranchhoddas(m): at 1:30am On Jan 08, 2019

"You have no idea, from the above inverted commas quotation, it shows you dont really understand what pure and true religion that has no fault is. Now please just indulge me here for a sec, tell me what exactly is it that the Jihadists says its true and pure in the Jihadists' religion?"
- by MuttleyLaff: at 8:32am On Jan 08, 2019

Here comes the question with a bonus added stupidity, watch this:
1/ Do you ever first ask someone in a life-and-death situation that you're able to help about religion, before beginning to offer or extend your life-saving help to them, especially in a time of need such as this?
2/ If answer is No, then do you accept and agree then that this goodness and/or virtue, having this warm-heartedness that you've shown to a fellow human being you dont know from Adam and/or Steve, goes beyond the range or limits of and/or cuts right through whether you believe in Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism, New Age, Atheism, ATR etcetera and what they are be, lol, hmm?

stupidity:
im not against religion but before religion
came the world existed. I believe there was a body governing and instilling law and orders. More like a government.

Some countries of the world grow without religion and they do fine than a religious country.

I’m a Christian but Im skeptical on how the different faction came about when we claim to worship the same God in different ways.

stupidity, if I may ask you a simple, easy, straightforward and direct question, would you be so kind to reply back with a sincere, honest and truthfully answer, hmm?

stupidity:
A missile fired by an American drone killed someone and its making the whole world go crazy. Some are happy because he’s a Muslim and a nuisance while some are threatening brimstone because one of their brothers got killed.

And we are all praying to the same God?

How did the world come about with different religion and why does one religion feel superior and authentic than the others?

What we all don’t know is, we don’t get to chose the religion to worship in. It all happens because we where born into a Christian/Muslim family and we follow suit.

Majority of we Christians wouldn’t have been Christians if we were born into a Muslim family vice versa.

So why do we feel we are the best and bound to make heaven? Even the so called Christians have different bodies that claims superiority amongst others. It’s a shame.

iPrevail:
A lot of people complain that religion impedes reasoning and common sense. But imagine a world without any form of religion, the absence of any form of morality, imagine the chaos and the absence of balance.

stupidity and possibly you too iPrevail, are basing your understanding of what true religion is, the religion that is pure and the religion God finds no fault in, you are basing your understanding of it, on what the world perceives it to be.

In the kingdom of God, there is no denomination, there are no JW, no Protestants,, no Catholics, no Christians, no Muslims, no Buddhists, no etcetera. God is agnostic to each and every one of them.

Also never look at the tree, rather look at what it bears, lol.

sagenaija:
It is amazing how sweeping conclusions are made by some of you guys.

There is no way a person can OBJECTIVELY look at these videos you posted and come to the conclusions you have reached.

In the videos you posted, DSA went back to what he thinks is the history of the “Altar Call”.
He NEVER said there is no need to accept Jesus Christ as one’s Saviour. He NEVER denied the work of the Holy Spirit in salvation. He ACTUALLY emphasized the fact of the need of the unsaved to be ‘born again’.

What he argued against is that today we “think that when people come forward, they are born again”. He added that “for somebody to be born again … there must be change in people”.
His argument is that just coming forward in response to the altar call without the individual understanding what he is doing does not necessarily make for salvation. That response to altar call without regeneration of the soul of man is no salvation.

It is not the merely repeating of words of a speaker that makes a person saved. It is when that person believes in his heart that Jesus Christ paid the penalty for mankind’s sin including his own that he is regenerated.

Now, to the passages you referred to: there was no call on the people to come forward it was the people who, having been touched by Peter’s message asked, “what shall we do?” (Acts 2). In Acts 4:4 they “heard” the word and “believed”.

What I see him highlight is that a person needs to know that what he is doing is belief in Jesus Christ and not merely verbalizing some words after a speaker.
He even mentioned that “even though you could still do altar call but make sure they understand what following Jesus entails” (@ 24:08 of your second video).

The issue is that you should rather be open to look at the issues DSA presents. You appear to have decided that nothing he says is correct and then you go on to look for how to punch holes at his statements. Try and be more objective.

The fact and truth of the matter is that, any sane person can see, from listening to those YouTube clips above, that DSA is just too much, light years ahead of these so called other moGs, for him to be resting his hands under his chin and keep quiet. C'mon now, John 7:24's "stop judging by outward appearance! Instead, judge correctly", meaning, "look beneath the surface, so you can judge correctly" is just what DSA is taking a leaf from.

DSA, of course, rightly and correctly so, criticises quite a few of these moGs but this isnt saying, he himself is a complete and/or total saint, because he has his own fair of flaws, just like everyone else does too and I can tell who cares to hear/listen about one or two of DSA's flaws, lol, for example, aside major outside and other ones, let's take his slip of the tongue comment, made in the first YouTube video's 30:24-30:32 minute mark, lol, but nonetheless, compared with these other moGs, DSA is a breath of fresh air and I am sure, he'll be the first to admit that, he is WIP. The capacity to learn is a gift. The ability to learn is a skill and the willingness to learn is a choice. It is glaring that DSA is a learner while most other moGs are not learners, they stopped learning is why and how.

sagenaija, lol, notice how Petra1 struggled to pick an issue. He drag his feet and had difficulty showing us what DSA said that is wrong/erroneous/unbiblical. He couldnt get himself to expose how DSA is wrong using the Scripture as his proof, lol.

I always enjoy, like and smile whenever DSA intermittently switches from English language to Ukrainian/Russian language when giving instructions and/or communicating with his helpers, lol. How could his helpers get Charles Finneys' DOB and death wrong, lol. They must be millennial generation/generation Z born, lol

izzou:
[color=royalblue]Naptu2
This is so unlike your threads. This is hilarious
That Amaka Na comedienne.
Thanks for this early morning relief, sir[/color]

naptu2's account has been hacked, lol, that's what it is, lol.

MuttleyLaff:
... true to God's promise, man did die. He died spiritually death first and physical death, is the end of the "slow death" Adam was told of. After A&E's spiritual death, the process of decline and deterioration kicked in. Everything, over time, will begin going down and/or looking south. At the end of the decline, deterioration, body organ failings, aging etcetera, lol comes and so, we have, an awaiting physical death.

Yep, it surely, as God warned and guaranteed, from spiritual death to physical death, is a slow death, indeed for man, lol. It was a slow, 930 years long, before Adam died, lol. The slow tick, tock, tick, tock, mortality clock came alive and started to tick tock tick tock from after the lunge at the fruit and subsequent eating of it. Thou shalt surely die, essentially is what man truly is putting into practice. Man, the second he is born, is dying. Is having a slow death, just as warned and/or promised will certainly happened, lol

budaatum:
Most 120 year olds I've ever heard of have lost all the wisdom they ever had and need help wiping their asses.

Please know that it's not a law or belief anyone must have. I only ever speak for no one else but buda.

wickedtuna:
lol if you say buda, if you say so.

"¹⁰As you see, the Lord has kept me alive these forty-five years as he promised, since the Lord spoke this word to Moses while Israel was journeying in the wilderness. Here I am today, eighty-five years old.
¹¹I am still as strong today as I was the day Moses sent me out. My strength for battle and for daily tasks is now as it was then."
- Joshua 14:10-11

You're what you eat, to end up needing help wiping your arse. I used to wonder how possible was it that Caleb at 85 years old, felt and still had the body, might and/or strenghth of when he was 40 years old. Then, out of the blues, I got the epiphany why he still was wise, making good/right decisions and how he managed to not end up needing help to have his backside wiped for him