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solite3:
you inability to accept the truth is because of your hostilty towards God.
The carnal mind is enmity with God for it is not subject to God neither can it be.

"Now these are the gifts Christ gave to the church: the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, and the pastors and teachers."
- Ephesians 4:11

Each one of you guys, i am 1000% its your wives who wears the trousers in your homes. You're just ceremonial heads of the family, because its your wives who really runs and makes most decisions for your families. You're a bunch of Pharisees and hypocrites, the lot of you solite3, BlueAngel444 and whoever else the caps fits. You all dont even know or properly understand what the meaning the Greek phrase "have authority over man" is smh

What is a pastor, a pastor afterall, is a shepherd and there are plenty shepherdess amock in the bible. Please stop already all this sexist and misogyny. If you arent comfortable with a woman pastor, then leave those comfortable with that.

Ephesians 4:11 above doesnt anywhere in it, ascribe gender, as a qualifier, for any of the gift(s) given there to the church.

maynia:
Lol.
The Catholic really ruling the World from inception.
lol

MuttleyLaff:
Nwanne you brought me over here by your spamming chronic appeal plastered all over the Religion forum, urging all and sundry, to come visit this thread.

Hmm, defective and elementary you typed? Those that leave in glass houses, shouldnt be throwing stones. Nwanne, Christianity, never started in any upper room on any day of Pentencost. Christianity, as in, Constantine Christianity, in cahoot with the "church" started in Rome

Correction. The Catholic really ruling the World from Constantine

maynia:
That means what we have now is not Christianity but RRC doctrines.
Lol.
I learn everyday..thank you

What you have now definitely is Christianity though the Protestant did break away from RCC doctrines, the influence(s) of RCC, legacy of RCC etcetera, are until now, still on the ground and all around us, lol.

maynia:
You were citing hisiory in that post, so tell me the source you got it from?
Wikipedia? Or where?

MuttleyLaff:
They are doing "wuruwuru magomago" to the answer

"A mọ ara wa, ti a ba rira wa" loosely translated means "we recognise & know ourselves when we bump into each other"

... trust me, if only more christians, properly read their bibles, there'd be less christians. Do they really believe that Agrippa & the people of Antioch revered Jesus that much, they called the disciples or believers ''Christ-like''? Not if in the know and understand what Agrippa & the people of Antioch meant by the term Christi-anos or Christian, abi?

Anyway, lets leave bullshit for bullshit collector, and for a moment @chorladey, dip and dangle our feet, a little bit in deep end waters, not many are aware that born again precedes and preceded salvation. Fact is, in order to receive and get the gift of salvation, you'll first, have to be born again, be regenerated, as in, be born from above. Now, the disciples, Nicodemus and a lot others were already born again before getting the gift of salvation. It is highly unlikely, anyone will be born again and not have or get the gift of salvation, as anyone truly born again, receives the gift of salvation, and they will not only see the demonstrations & power of the kingdom of God but ultimately will enter into the kingdom of God

Scoffers, mockers, cynics, pagans etcetera dont and never see anything good about the kingdom and that's because they are not born again, they are not born from above, and so are not spiritually rebirthed. It's more the reason, we have atheists, it is because regeneration has not taken place in them and this why they rubbish and/or never want to acknowledge any demonstrations or power of the kingdom of God

Born again and salvation, though are not in the same category, they nonetheless are related

Bunch of two clowns, just without the painted faces & the real red rosy cheek trademark smiles

Anyone to be taken serious, dont put forward wikipedia as source(s). Only a learner, will submit wikipedia as a source of fact or as a basis for putting up a discussion or even as the case maybe in yours, advance wikipedia, as a basis to stage an argument on, lol.

maynia, my neighbour's two spaniel dogs, can go on to wikipedia, to edit it's content with no redress to it, lol. Just shows then, how uncredible wikipedia is and/or can be, lol, doesnt it, lol.

Listen maynia, you would have saved yourself the trouble asking me for where, if you had answered my earlier asked questions, repeated below again:
Do you know how cheese is made?
Do you know what cheese is primarily and "constituented" of?
You asking me where, is tantamount to you asking me to show you the source of the cheese major constituent, lol. No, its not just source you'll have, I'll give you sauce, pepper, maggi, salt and ingredients too in a minute, lol.

Kokoebapluse:
I said I don't want to ague with you but let me clear your empty head here is the verse

You say you don't want to argue but you're busy here continuously arguing with yourself and the bible, lol

Kokoebapluse:
And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli
Luke 3:23Which was the son of Matthat, which was the son of Levi, which was the son of Melchi, which was the son of Janna, which was the son of Joseph
Luke 3:24Which was the son of Mattathias, which was the son of Amos, which was the son of Naum, which was the son of Esli, which was the son of Nagge
Luke 3:25
Which was the son of Maath, which was the son of Mattathias, which was the son of Semei, which was the son of Joseph, which was the son of Juda
Luke 3:26
Which was the son of Joanna, which was the son of Rhesa, which was the son of Zorobabel, which was the son of Salathiel, which was the son of Neri
Luke 3:27
Which was the son of Melchi, which was the son of Addi, which was the son of Cosam, which was the son of Elmodam, which was the son of Er
Luke 3:28Which was the son of Jose, which was the son of Eliezer, which was the son of Jorim, which was the son of Matthat, which was the son of Levi
Luke 3:29
Which was the son of Simeon, which was the son of Juda, which was the son of Joseph, which was the son of Jonan, which was the son of Eliakim
Luke 3:30Which was the son of Melea, which was the son of Menan, which was the son of Mattatha, which was the son of Nathan, which was the son of David
Luke 3:31
Which was the son of Jesse, which was the son of Obed, which was the son of Booz, which was the son of Salmon, which was the son of Naasson
Luke 3:32Which was the son of Aminadab, which was the son of Aram, which was the son of Esrom, which was the son of Phares, which was the son of Judah
Luke 3:33Which was the son of Jacob, which was the son of Isaac, which was the son of Abraham, which was the son of Thara, which was the son of Nachor
Luke 3:34Which was the son of Saruch, which was the son of Ragau, which was the son of Phalec, which was the son of Heber, which was the son of Sala
Luke 3:35
Which was the son of Cainan, which was the son of Arphaxad, which was the son of Sem, which was the son of Noah, which was the son of Lamech
Luke 3:36Which was the son of Mathusala, which was the son of Enoch, which was the son of Jared, which was the son of Maleleel, which was the son of Cainan
Luke 3:37Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.
Luke 3:38

Now according to this verse start from verse 23 tell me who is son of God Jesus or Adam? Is there two son of God in those verses? Pls answer me?

You cant even correctly and properly copy verses of the "The Genealogy of Jesus" with correct numbering. Please tell me, is the above the correct Luke 3:23-38, hmmm?
You have messed up the verse numbers, mixing them up one with the other. No wonder you have sawdust for a brain and are more confused than a fart let out on the production floor of a fan making factory

Ontologically speaking, Adam is not the son of God as our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ is the Son of God. Adam is created, but our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ is not created, He is begotten. I am 1000% sure you never understood the post I typed about what "begotten" means and entails, lol, and you still will never in a million years understand it, lol

Kokoebapluse:
I said I don't want to ague with you but let me clear your empty head here is the verse

You that cant even correctly and properly copy verses of the "The Genealogy of Jesus" with correct numbering, want to clear others, lol, hmm? Why not first clear out the sawdust in your head, you have as brains, huh?

Kokoebapluse:
And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli
Luke 3:23Which was the son of Matthat, which was the son of Levi, which was the son of Melchi, which was the son of Janna, which was the son of Joseph
Luke 3:24Which was the son of Mattathias, which was the son of Amos, which was the son of Naum, which was the son of Esli, which was the son of Nagge
Luke 3:25
Which was the son of Maath, which was the son of Mattathias, which was the son of Semei, which was the son of Joseph, which was the son of Juda
Luke 3:26
Which was the son of Joanna, which was the son of Rhesa, which was the son of Zorobabel, which was the son of Salathiel, which was the son of Neri
Luke 3:27
Which was the son of Melchi, which was the son of Addi, which was the son of Cosam, which was the son of Elmodam, which was the son of Er
Luke 3:28Which was the son of Jose, which was the son of Eliezer, which was the son of Jorim, which was the son of Matthat, which was the son of Levi
Luke 3:29
Which was the son of Simeon, which was the son of Juda, which was the son of Joseph, which was the son of Jonan, which was the son of Eliakim
Luke 3:30Which was the son of Melea, which was the son of Menan, which was the son of Mattatha, which was the son of Nathan, which was the son of David
Luke 3:31
Which was the son of Jesse, which was the son of Obed, which was the son of Booz, which was the son of Salmon, which was the son of Naasson
Luke 3:32Which was the son of Aminadab, which was the son of Aram, which was the son of Esrom, which was the son of Phares, which was the son of Judah
Luke 3:33Which was the son of Jacob, which was the son of Isaac, which was the son of Abraham, which was the son of Thara, which was the son of Nachor
Luke 3:34Which was the son of Saruch, which was the son of Ragau, which was the son of Phalec, which was the son of Heber, which was the son of Sala
Luke 3:35
Which was the son of Cainan, which was the son of Arphaxad, which was the son of Sem, which was the son of Noah, which was the son of Lamech
Luke 3:36Which was the son of Mathusala, which was the son of Enoch, which was the son of Jared, which was the son of Maleleel, which was the son of Cainan
Luke 3:37Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.
Luke 3:38

In those verse start from 23-38 is talking about the generation between Jesus and Adam, and it said Jesus wish is son of God not Adam was referring to as son of God but Jesus, you claim people of the book but you know nothing, well its not surprise Bible is a scam not Real book of Allah, you can follow me on facebook let me lecture u, and I promise to teach you well after that you will surly leave christainty because is a way to sorrow and regret

Both Jesus and Adam non is son of God but servant and creations.

Your thoughts, reasonings and understanding are clouded by a thick and dark fog. You haven't a clue of the intention and/or purpose of writing that part of Luke. You have no idea how and why is Luke, using the genealogy of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ contrasted with Adam's, smh.

If you want to continue having this exchange, you will need to put right, your error of not correctly copying Luke 3:23-38. Imagine simple copy and paste correctly you have problems at doing. It's no wonder your theology is upside down and you have an obnoxious regard and/or exaggerated sense of yourself, smh, mtcheew.

mrZENographer:
1) No
2) No
3) No
4) The Father's Voice.
"And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him". And a voice from Heaven said " This is my beloved Son..." Luke 3:22

The Father, Son and Holy Ghost. These three are one.

I am 1000% endorsing without demur these four absolutely correct answers

maynia:
That article said the bible that was thought to be inspired by God was made and produced by the Catholics?

That is not what I wrote in the post. It is one of my post, I contributed on another thread and please don't be daft calling it an article. Go search for the rest of it, using the heading in the quote.

maynia:
Use just 1 account, why are you using 2 accounts to reply?

Have you skipped taking some medication or what?
You've gone barmy and hallucinating that I am using two accounts

maynia:
Im sure you didn't read this before you posted it

You've just confirmed my suspicions that you're thicker than a 2 by 2 plank. I'll only read my composition posts if I am proof reading it to correct fat finger typo errors before hitting the submit button.

Kokoebapluse:
, I will never ague with you again since you call Adam son of God

The bible did, not me. Sorry, lol, peele, ndo

Kokoebapluse:
you are just empty head without not know the book you are reading, read Luke 23:38 read it very well, for you to call Adam a son of God it's Clare you know nothing even about Jesus, seek for knowledge and come back to me but right now, you re with empty head

Look at sawdust for a brain calling someone else empty head, lol. Its not just Clare you'll see, you'll Deborah too, lol

maynia:
Wow.

This is pure rubbish, is this what you tell yourself? lol
Can you show me the source of all this? The Wikipedia? Or where?

Please, I need source.

You arent that quick enough for me not to have grabbed your comment before you had the chance to edit and/or change the original content to the one below, lol

Do you know how cheese is made?
Do you know what cheese is primarily and constituented of?
This is tantamount to you asking me to show you the source of the cheese major constituent, lol. No, not just source, I'll give you sauce pepper, maggi, salt and ingredients too in a minute

maynia:
Wow.
You just set yourself in the foot, you read it before you posted it?

Is this the best you could type even after you've reset your brain to factory default, erhn?
After you've edited it out the original content lol, hmm?

maynia:
lol
Please tell me your points in this article?

Can you now see that the orthodox Christianity is some people's idea?
You said the Catholic made the Bible.
lol

I wont just tell you the points in that copied here, post of mine from another thread, I'll even throw you a doggy bone to play with. So you dont know or understand what the "... the RCC are the original owner of your bible version(s) ... " means erhn?

maynia:
You said believers were denouncing?
lol
Please post the source where you copied this from

How you mean I said "you said believers were denouncing" Source ko, sauce ni, abeggy jaapa jor, jump.

Go read Jude and Apostle Peter's epistle to see them denouncing. Cant believe I've had to spoon feed and be lifting up floor boards for you to see underneath, smh.

maynia:
What and where does inspiration comes from?
You know what crusade really means?
Both inspiration came from the same place!
No cause has killed people more than CHRISTIANITY even Islam, so yea, the inspiration came from there..
You can't trust your neighbor, but you trust people that have lived hundreds of years ago to be 'inspired'.lol

MuttleyLaff:
Having imaginary friends is not uncommon in some many growing up kid's lives, but they soon or later outlive the "usefulness and/or company" of those friends.

If you were someone that is bible literate, you would have known that:
1/ God is not an imaginary friend
2/ Religion that is true, pure and without any fault has to do with compassion. True, pure and one without any faults, has to do with having concern(s) for the sufferings or misfortunes of others and being sympathetic towards them

Legitimately laughing out loud at the emboldened. Smh.

"Nwanne, Christianity, never started in any upper room on any day of Pentencost. Christianity, as in, Constantine Christianity, in cahoot with the "church" started in Rome."
- Re: Oblate Eusebius Oguizu Is Dead: Founder Of Block Rosary Crusade In Nigeria Dies by MuttleyLaff: 8:33am On May 30

"... the catholic started Christianity, this so, because the Roman Catholic Church was formed, after shady deal(s) and/or sell-out to the State by the "Church", as it was the Roman Emperors Constantine's and Licinius' Edict of Milan in AD 313 which established a policy of religious freedom for all, as in, this was a proclamation that permanently legalised Christianity in the Roman Empire, and so paved the way for Christianity to be the official religion of the entire Roman Empire too.

The introduction of pagan religions and assimilation of paganism influences was a tragic compromise by the early believers, as this resulted in the Romanization and paganization of the early believers' faith and the "Christianization" of pagan beliefs as we not just know but celebrate then and celebrate even up until now.

Anyway, the Roman Empire, adopted the Roman Catholic Church (i.e. RCC) as "official" church during Roman Emperor Constantine's reign, and it's worth noting, that, the supremacy of the Roman bishop (i.e. the papacy or pope) was set up, put into place, aided and abetted through the support of the Roman Emperors (i.e. notably Constantine and his successors)

Recall that I earlier mentioned the Edict of Milan in AD 313, which was a letter signed by the Roman Emperors Constantine and Licinius, that proclaimed religious toleration in the Roman Empire, well, in AD 325, Constantine called the First Council of Nicaea in AD 325, in an attempt to unify Christianity when doctrinal disputes arose, like for example Arianism, all about doctrines named after Arius, a teacher in the early 4th century A.D and so Constantine presided over this first ecumenical church council

So quick recap, by the 1st century AD, ekklēsia birthed on the teachings of Jesus Christ and later founded on the day of Pentecost in the upper room with a bunch of 120 believers.

By the 2nd century AD - believers already denouncing teachings, seen as heresies, such as Gnosticism, Montanism etcetera.

In the 4th century AD - ekklēsia was transformed, emerged Christians, an evolved "church", finally gets legalized and then promoted by Emperors Constantine and Theodosius I, as the state church, of the Roman Empire and so yes also that, legendarymega is right, that the Catholics, are the original owner of your bible, because truly, the RCC are the original owner of your bible version(s), because incidentally and truly, those versions were made off the back of "The Vulgate", which was an accepted Latin translation of the original Old and New Testament texts.

Some even called, "The Vulgate", the "The Vulgar" bible. Anyway, Jerome, of RCC, was the person, who translated the original Old and New Testament texts and compiled them into a single volume of the 66 books we enjoy today"
- Re: Oblate Eusebius Oguizu Is Dead: Founder Of Block Rosary Crusade In Nigeria Dies by MuttleyLaff: 8:33am On May 30

I agree with you that Christianity was spread through violence and intolerance once Constantine and his mother Helena decided to make it the official state religion. I've on varied occassions, typed about how the church was romanticised by Constantine and etcetera and also why I often type that, if only more christians read their bibles there'd be less christians.

Please dont be dishonest and desperate to make a point. The bible preaches passive resistance, love of peace, reconciling with adversaries, turning the other cheek, handing off the shirt on ones back etcetera

[img]https://s0/images/MuttleyLaffsipsTea.gif[/img]
I am enjoyingly sipping my tea and watching you wagging your tail and endlessly going round in circles chasing it. You right from the onset have been spoiling for raising ruckus and had since then being barking up the wrong tree.

Bacteriologist:
If being a Christian means justifying the killing of kids as moral and those that speak against it as immoral. Then I'll never be a Christian. Not again.

You can continue to serve in the slave masters religion and submit to your tyrannic god. (I understand how eager you are to be a slave as C.Hitchens once said). But for most of us who still have our humanity in tact as free from religious indoctrination. No we won't.

You can continue with this your line of reasoning after you have a creation, a living organism with breath of life in it to present here and show me. Until then, just shut the foxtrot uniform charlie kilo up. I'll rather go watch paint dry than reading your one direction repeated and boring posts

Bacteriologist:
Oh and your scare tactics could only work for fools. Your God doesn't exist and so does the Hell he is claimed to have created either. Prove there's a hell and maybe your disgusting threats may b taken with the most subtle levity. If anything, your religion is what's hell. And that thanks to the evil, tyrannic monster called Yaveh you serve.

Keep basking in delusion and religious hypocrisy. This is the last reply you will get from me.

No one is giving you any scare tactic anywhere, but you're scared off your own shadow, even when you dont even believe in a God existence. If you're through and through atheist nothing will faze you enough to want to comment on it, lol.

What do you do with your rubbish, stale leftover food, broken teapot etcetera? Do you wrap them up in decorative papers and place the rubbish, stale leftover food, broken teapot etcetera on your front room mantlepiece, erh, lol? I didnt think you do. Sayonara amigo, lol.

Kokoebapluse:
You're comparing babangida with your god?

We are created to be acccording to the likeness and image of the Godhead. Humility, serving others are hallmarks of God that Muazu Babangida Aliyu, the former elected governor of Niger State, realising and why he adopted the Servant Leadership style and always used to address himself as the chief servant of the state. I merely brought your attention to it so you'll see that there is nothing wrong in assuming a servant staus or capacity

Kokoebapluse:
If your God can call Jesus a Son and a servant at the same time, know that Jesus is not beggoten Son but appointments son,

God Himself uttered and declared at least on three different ocassions or separate times that our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ is His begotten Son. Angel Gabriel told Mary how Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ was going to be conceived. Prophecy(ies) have foretold the birth of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ

Kokoebapluse:
see I don't want to talk too much, you can never proof how Jesus can be a son of God if Adam can't be son of God, there is nothing like son or marriage in heaven according to Jesus, Jesus is a servant of Allah, nothing more than that. Masallam

"Kenan was the son of Enosh. Enosh was the son of Seth.
Seth was the son of Adam. Adam was the son of God."
- Luke 3:38

You are not anywhere near any stage to well enough to understand, know, embrace and appreciate that our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ is the Son of God. There are just too many knowledge gaps to fill with you. You are a gloom and doom defeatist, and you can see I never was keen nor eager to share anything with you. I only slightly broken away from that mould and mind-set because you revealed you're a Muslim. You will buckle under the weight of other details yet shared with you. Your teeth will break as they cant handle cutting up strong meat, lol. Sayonara amigo, lol.

oaroloye:
MISHIGAS!

WHAT THE (Bleep!*) IS WRONG WITH YOU?

If it is in The Bible, THAT IS "WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS?"

BIBLE RELIGION is about trusting the authors of Scripture to be faithful Messengers of God.

budaatum:
First, be informed that you are one of 2 people who's posts I hardly read as I have a thing against yadayada and word diarrhea.

MuttleyLaff might advise a cure if you ask him nicely.

Second, I don't do BIBLE RELIGION. Nor do I place my faith in "Messengers of God". If I wished to do that I would consider becoming a Muslim.

As for me and my household, we refuse to create idols to worship. We trust and place our faith in the Lord God Almighty. Amen

MuttleyLaff:
Now, oaroloye, you must have noticed that, it must be out of a labour of love that I took to responding to you mentioning MuttleyLaff in your comment because oaroloye, if you're being honest and truthful, you'll admit reading your comments always involves hard work because you're pathologically excessive and often incoherently talkative in your post writings, even your writing styles and rendering are not visually easy on the eyes.

You can see how I had to improve on your writing styles, writing layouts and rendering. I have at least once advised you, to go learn how to format and present your content in a way that isnt off-putting because tbh, your posts nine times out ten somewhat looks unappealing, repellent and alienating. Alienating because it turns readers away from reading, as a result of your badly organized, uncoordinated and clumsy style of writing.

oaroloye, not everyone has the grace, temperance, patience and/or ability to endure the torture of reading your posts and this is a setback, as you do most times, do have noticeable and/or important points, but your weakness is that your writing layouts and/or styling are not aesthetically pleasing, so this pushes people away from reading your contributions, talkless wanting to respond or reply back to them.

I am aware that it is difficult to break a bad habit like this of yours. I am aware of the saying, you can't teach an old dog new tricks, but oaroloye, you really need to learn how to try new ways of doing things, it doesnt matter that you have been writing in this particular way for a long time. oaroloye, if you refuse to change, despite friendly and brotherly advice attempts persuading you to do so, then please take it, that I MuttleyLaff, never again, will respond to any of your posts, future or not, that you have or have not MuttleyLaff mentioned in

PS: oaroloye, I had to split this into two parts, all no thanks to your over-long and somewhat difficult to read post. I am lucky I got away with it and didnt get the post(s) hidden nor banned by the powers that be, lol.

MuttleyLaff:
[img]https://s5/images/shmMuttleyLaffrolleyes.gif[/img]
Why should I do the heavy lifting for Kokoebapluse? Oh-oh oaroloye, you want me to, so he, Kokoebapluse can trample upon the pearls, right? Nah, thanks but no thanks, I dont cast my pearls before such people.

oaroloye, cant you see that Kokoebapluse is not on the thread to close any case. Kokoebapluse is here having fun and playing stupid games.

I have overlooked your "WHAT YOU MERELY BLUFF THAT YOU KNOW" abusive and/or insulting comment. This isnt your first time of making and/or given to making snide remarks, so watch it, from now on, how you post, so to do so without being rude or unpleasant

Read my reply below because it is obvious, you have gone off a tangent, to go barking up a wrong tree, lol, and getting your knickers unnecessarily knotted up, lol.

oaroloye, who have you read here on this thread discussing DAVID ever call himself a SON OF GOD, huh?

Now oaroloye, you might need to go wipe and clean your glasses, if you are unable to see and read in the RED underlined and/or emboldened Psalms 89:27, where God specifically mentions that, He has assigned David the position of firstborn.

oaroloye, I have given you advice(s) and warning(s), that, if you are not prepared to learn how to properly and pleasantly post or promise you'll learn to, then please dont ever again make a mention of the MuttleyLaff moniker. If you ignore this advice & warning and you quote or mention MuttleyLaff, I will take you to task. I am quite sure you wouldnt like or want me to.

Time will tell if oaroloye changes for good from not anymore subjecting readers to painful, tortuous and difficult to read or follow posts

maynia:
lol.
Nothing is inspired, it's just people's idea.

Where do people's idea come from. What and where from are the inspiration for people's idea

maynia:
Answer my questions first

Trinitarian? lol I reject it!!

What questions? What questions when I am not a trinitarian

maynia:
Read about the Nicene creed and the arian controversy.
Or better still read about the development of early Christianity.
The church came first before the Bible (collection of book).
If all books were inspired by God, why set up a canon

If you had replied to questions #3 and 4 above, you would have saved yourself asking me this question

maynia:
How I wish Constantine didn't support just the orthodox sect of Christianity, we had Thousands of sects then, each claiming mine is the best, lol.

What theology(ies) are the so called sect based on, hmm? God is sect agnostic anyway, lol.

maynia:
Well, when you know how the trinity came to place, you will still have to thank Constantine...

I owe Constantine no debt of thanks, thanks but no thanks

blueAgent:
How did I contradict myself?

No one has accused you of contradicting yourself, but jcross19, after you typed: "... Jesus had to die because the 10 commandments could not be abolished," was asking you that "ah, Jesus wanted to abolish the ten commandments before?" then abi?

Kokoebapluse:
If Jesus was a son why your god then why your god call him servant?

1/ Have you a problem with God calling our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ servant, because God and Jesus sure dont have a problem with that
2/ You do know that Muazu Babangida Aliyu, former elected governor of Niger State, adopted the Servant Leadership style and always then used to address himself as the chief servant of the state.
3/ Have you ever considered that our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ is not a servant in a servile fearfulness manner but is the suffering servant, equally applied to our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, in the respect of serving and helping God in bringing the salvation and redemption gifts to mankind and the whole wide world, hmm?

maynia:
Please do, ask
I will also ask you

Let's start from nicene creed, a Group of Orthodox Christian (sects of group, we have like hundreds of sects of Christianity then each saying they are right, the other is wrong) trying to put in idea of what Jesus meant to them.
You have to thank Athanasius of Alexandria of Egypt for the idea of trinity.

If all books were inspired by God, why set up a canon? The best selling books made it to the bible.

1/ Are you an exclusively trinitarian?
2/ Why should MuttleyLaff be thanking Athanasius of Alexandria of Egypt for the idea of trinity?
3/ Do you believe in the authenticity of the BoE and in its outlandish and utterly absurd or ridiculous tales?
4/ Do you believe that the accursed BoE is inspired by God?

Freeze007:
Goodman, just be careful the names you choose for yourself.

Freeze007, or is it FreezeBond-the-name-is-James-Bond ni, lol?
Whats the matter with getting mischievous wheezing laughs reading contents on Nairaland and using a moniker with a very typical example of such laff/laugh, erhn? Thanks to you and a whole bunch of others, who religiously make sure, I am never, in short supply of having laughs

Freeze007:
Leave @budaatum, perhaps too livid and caresless about your reactions. Trust me, does care!!

I am strong and confident enough to treat people in the same way that they treat MuttleyLaff, especially when they need being put in their place for being disruptive, disrespectful and/or scornfully abusive and even just to show them that they are not as clever, smart or important as they think they are

Freeze007:
We should start paying ATTENTIONS to GOLDEN PRINCIPLES...

I dont go looking for trouble, dont go looking for fight(s), I dont do arguments. I am jeje lomo Eko goes

Freeze007:
Keep making fun, you HEAR!!

Whats the meaning of "keep making fun, you HEAR" how do you mean and whats with the shouting?

Freeze007:
Exonerater that's who you are

Who is Exonerater? Why and how Exonerater?

Freeze007:
Peace and Love

Every human longs for peace and love, but without justice, peace and love will always be a great illusion

Bacteriologist:
No thanks. If the Christian God was eventually demonstrated to even be remotely true, then I still wouldn't worship him. I would acknowledge him, but him deserving my worship would be way out of the equation

You do know, you can go to blazes with your worthless worship, that your nobody needs and nobody will miss when you hold it back, lol.

Bacteriologist:
A god who creates the whole word with evil.

You're correct, it is the god of this world, the devil, who led A&E to open the Pandora box and thereafter unleash the whole wide world with the evils it unrestrainedly released out.

Bacteriologist:
Creates man with the ability to do evil and then turns around to blame, curse and punish man till eternity for his actions, even though He created man as such; Is a vile, narcissistic monster who has a seriously decayed standard of justice and/or morality.

"Those who love thy law (i.e. for example, dont eat the fruit) have great peace,
and nothing causes them to stumble."
- Psalms 119:165

Mr Bacteriologist Sanctimonious Holier-than-God himself, he that is without sin, let him cast a first stone, but then try the following questions for size. Lets from your replies find out somethings, lol.

1/ Did God force anyone's hand, did God drag anyone by the legs to go commit evil hmm?
2/ Has God ever at all advised you to do something evil?
3/ Have you Bacteriologist, an example of any living creature with breath of life in it, you have created or are capable of creating, lol, smh, hmm?
4/ Do you always like standing on a wobbly table with uneven legs and be shaking it, lol?

Bacteriologist:
I would not worship such a monster. Anyone who does loves to be a slave. I don't. I would look him in the face and call him a moral thug

Fine, but then be looking forward to a fate that someone with your attitude deserves, lol.

Bacteriologist:
Good thing Christians cannot remotely demonstrate or show this their bloated god called Yaveh to be true

Look around you, even your existence has God's signature written all over, on and around you, lol,

Bacteriologist:
You would need to prove that Adam and Eve
1. Existed.
2. Did the things the Bible said they did

I am not obliged to prove you anything about whether A&E existed or not, neither about they did/didnt do the things the Bible said they did. You have the right and choice to take the Bible by its words, lol

Bacteriologist:
Before I can address your questions. Myths don't become automatically true because a book says so. And I can't waste my time debating mythology. So prove the claims and the authenticity of the claims in the Bible before I can even take you a bit seriously

It doesnt stop me sleeping soundly

Bacteriologist:
Yes, I believe innocent little children should not be drowned in a global flood because of the actions of their parents? Your god killed little kids HIMSELF on different occasions in the Bible. I think I am more moral than your god.

I would help little children suffering from cancer and in excruciating pain everyday in the hospitals everyday if I was omnipotent. I would terminate world hunger. So children in Yemen, Somalia, Mozambique and the rest would stop crying to death from malnutrition.
Your god doesn't care. He prefers to use his powers to let Jesus walk on water and your pastors drive a fuelles car instead. I am more moral than your god. I am better than him.

You know what, when you have created, hmm, let me think of something very simple now, yeah, say, a common little mosquito, then you can climb your moral high ground, but until then for now all you're doing is having a moral rage and what that does, is it limits your correct and clear view of God. You see Mr Bacteriologist Sanctimonious Holier-than-God himself, you live in an immoral glasshouse, yet you start throwing moral stones at imaginary immoral glass houses while standing on the moral quicksand of the moral high ground, lol. It doesnt get hilariously better than this. The moral high ground can be a treacherous place, lol. Dont worry, if all that went over your head, lol, it will need a moment, for you to cop on lol

Bacteriologist:
Yes...isn't it lovely that humans are the ones giving a pass on behalf of god. Sounds like a true nonexistent asshole there right. The truth does hurt...lol

The truth hurts you more than it ever will me, lol. Your conscience is in a very unhappy and unfortunate state, it is eating you away inside you, lol. Bet you wont sleep soundly tonight, not knowing whether or not it's going to be the last one. You better make peace with God before getting under the duvet tonight to doze off

Bacteriologist:
I understand how Christians struggle with the ridiculously simple concept of logic but if Yaveh didn't create man with the innate ability to commit sin. Man CANNOT commit sin. That's how logic works? Might want to read that a few times before it sinks in? (Take your time.. I understand how religion often dumbs down logical thinking skills)

Though you conveniently pretend not reading the earlier question, I'll again hold out to you that:
1/ Has it not dawned on you yet, that A&E never questioned God nor complained to God why God in the first place created them, lol, hmm?
2/ Have you not yet thought that A&E never protested that they are innocent or that they dont deserve whatever was in store for them taking Someone's property without legal rights to it or the Owner's permission, huh?

Bacteriologist:
Yawn... typical religious nonsense. Might also want to start preparing for the Islamic hell and 4000+ other hells you're going to for believing in an unapologetic tyrant who kills little kids to feel at peace with himself...

Mr Bacteriologist Sanctimonious Holier-than-God himself, lol, making a grand show of being morally superior than God Almighty. Bwahahahaha ha. Here I was thinking I've seen it all, lol

maynia:
It's so sad, the church never told you about the Nicene creed?
The arian controversy?
The trinity was just someone's Idea.lol

Why do you involve me in your trinity mention, erhn?
I can bet my bottom dollar that you'll begin stammering and chopping teeth, if I should ask you to detail what the Arian controversy is and what it has to do with you mentioning MuttleyLaff together with it

Bacteriologist:
Oh look! A sarcastically rare occurrence of a loving Christian condemning other people to hell when they realise they cannot counter their argument or present any other reasonable point....LOL

You dont recognise that you're so self-conceited, swollen-headed and vain proud. Have you so quickly forgotten that you made this "Well good thing he doesn't exist, because if He did He would be one asshole that clearly isn't deserving of my worship" comment, hmmm? Now when I gave you a free pass dont stop to collect £200 at Go, but to head right straight up to the lake of fire with pitiful useless and worthless worship, you now want to play the victim card to the $hit you yourself with your own hands created, lol.

Bacteriologist:
A god who creates man with the innate ability to sin then turns around and blames and also punishes (for eternity) the same man for exhibiting the nature he created man with is a perfect definition of an insane power drunk asshole.

Correction. God who created man with the innate ability, not to sin

1/ Has it not dawned on you yet, that A&E never questioned God nor complained to God why God in the first place created them, lol, hmm?
2/ Have you not yet thought that A&E never protested that they are innocent or that they dont deserve whatever was in store for them taking Someone's property without legal rights to it or the Owner's permission, huh?

Bacteriologist:
Your god, Yaveh, is a sadistic, masochistic, egoistical, tyrannic asshole who doesn't deserve the worship of people who understand the concept of freedom and loyalty. Kiss the truth and let the congnitive dissonance flow through you.

I share the opinion of Christopher Hitchens that belief in God is often born out of the desire to be a slave. If you see nothing wrong with the concept of original sin then you are happy to be a slave.

Bask in the jail your religion puts you in.

"But as many as received Him,
to them gave He power to become sons of God,
even to them that believe on His name,"
- John 1:12

Hope you see from John 1:12 above, that, I possibly cant be a slave, lol, but look at you. You dont even know what true and pure religion is, lol. Look again oce more, at you, lol. You think you're free, but the best slave is the one, someone like you, who thinks he/she is free, lol. Why dont you start taking super hot showers to practice burning in the lake of fire, lol. Bwahahahaha ha.

Kokoebapluse:
Because you know nothing,

I certainly know more than you ever currently know, lol. I just dont fancy wasting and casting pearls before you to trample upon, lol.

Kokoebapluse:
your God call Ephraim his first born, but you said is appointment son, then proof it that Jesus was not appointment son too?

Ephraim is not the only person who isnt a womb's first born who by mark of distinction is appointed and/or awarded first born status. Meet me further down for the proofs, that our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ is not an appointment son. He is the first born out of Mary's womb.

Kokoebapluse:
God of Bible is just a confusing thing, may almighty Allah open your eyes before you die, God have son, we are all creation of Allah, Jesus is a creation of Allah too

"And the angel answering, said to her,
"The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you;
therefore also the Holy One being born will be called the Son of God."
- Luke 1:35

""BEHOLD, THE VIRGIN SHALL BE WITH CHILD AND SHALL BEAR A SON,
AND THEY SHALL CALL HIS NAME IMMANUEL,"
which translated means, "GOD WITH US.""
- Matthew 1:23

"For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders;
And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.
(i.e. Extraordinary Strategist, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.)"
- Isaiah 9:6

"And suddenly a voice came from heaven, saying,
“This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.”"
- Matthew 3:17

So you're of the Islam faith, hmm? You won me over because you revealed you are a Muslim brother, this is why I changed my mind and decided to give you proofs of who our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ is.

God of Bible is never a confusing thing, and our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ is not made nor created, but is "begotten"

This will explain what the bible said and/or is saying about "begotten" The word translated as "begotten", is the greek word "monogene." "Monogene", means, one and only or better still, it means, one of a kind.

Now the word "monogene", is a combination of the root words: "mono" (i.e. one or only) and "genos" (i.e. of a class or kind) hence "begotten", in the context, or "monogene" in the context means "the only of its kind"

Now, "monogene" occurred also, when similarly used over Isaac, and that is where and when Isaac was referred to, as only son, even when Abraham already had an existing and older son, Ishmael

Isaac was unique, was one and only or one of a kind son. Unique in the sense that, an impotent man and menopaused woman had a child, the promised son, Isaac (i.e. child in a class of its own, this miracle never again has been repeated)

Kokoebapluse, to just clear each other, "begotten" in the Jesus' context isn’t about procreation or some fantasied sexual intercourse

Jesus, is the last Adam, and second man. The first man Adam became a living soul, whereas, Jesus, the last Adam, became a life-giving spirit

The first man, Adam, is of the earth, earthy, came from earth; while the second man, Jesus Christ is from heaven, came from heaven. Praise God. Alleluia.

Bacteriologist:
Oh so god created Adam and Eve knowing very well they would disobey and then he curses them for doing so anyway. That's a lovely God you serve. Can't you see?

I can see that some of us believe we are cleverer than God, some of us believe we can do a better work than God. Some of us believe we're smarter than God. Some us believe we've got all the answers, but really don't at all understand nor know jackshit, lol

Bacteriologist:
It has everything to do with it bud. god creates everything including evil, he creates humans with the ability to sin then he turns around and punishes them for acting out the weakness he installed in them in the first place. Seems like this God is a sadistic tyrant? No.

Fortunately for you and fyi, God is not a sadistic tyrant, but quite 180⁰ the exact opposite

Bacteriologist:
Well good thing he doesn't exist, because if He did He would be one asshole that clearly isn't deserving of my worship

There is only one arsehole between the two of you and God. I clearly know its not God.

To hell and the lake of fire with your wretched and/or worthless worship

Bacteriologist:
Superstitious nonsense cum religious platitude. Next time stick to analogies that have to do with REALITY.

I remember while at boarding school when growing, as misbehaving students usually do, we secretly left the boarding to go into the forest, obviously up to no good. There was around six others of us altogether students, with me making the seventh. Then one of the boys, pulled out a black and bulging weird looking signet ring. We gathered round him curiously asking whats that ring, where he got it from, is it his etcetera. The guy, smiled, then said, nah, its his grandfather's jazz/juju ring and that, if he slips the ring on his finger to slap anyone, that slapped person will just suddenly begin to tear race and will continously be running through the forest jungle non stop. He said the person will only stop running on sight of a water stream/river/brook. We all yinmu at the guy and in a chorus way, said: "It's a lie" The guy looked hurt, then quietly slipped the ring in his finger, then said, who is going to be the first, he try it on. Come see how everyone jaapa and did a quick disappearing act back to the hostel. Nobody waited to the guinea pig

It isnt religious platitude at all. God as you rightly know is Omniscient, so even before A&E ate of the fruit of the TKGE (i.e. Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil) had already had on standy-by, the redemption and salvation plan for A&E and ultimately the rest of mankind.

God knew He will have to come and die, if A&E should disobey the one, only and single command He gave. He told Adam what would happen, if he should take the fruit (i.e. another person's property, who is God) without permission or legal right. God let Adam know that he, Adam will surely die. Yep, it surely was, just as God warned and guaranteed, from spiritual death to physical death, is a slow death, indeed for man, lol. It was a slow, 930 years long, before Adam died, lol. The slow tick, tock, tick, tock, mortality clock came alive and started to tick tock tick tock from after the lunge at the fruit and subsequent eating of it. Thou shalt surely die, essentially is what man truly is putting into practice. Man, the second he is born, is dying. Is having a slow death, just as warned and/or promised will certainly happen, lol

Kokoebapluse:
Ephraim was appointment son?

Like I've enough times previously told you, Ephraim is not just the only one granted privilege status of being called and addressed first born though not being the womb's first birth

Kokoebapluse:
Give me proof that God give birth to Jesus?

No, not you. I wont even if my life depends on it, give you the proof that God give birth to Jesus. You arent at all serious and as far as you're corcerned, you are having fun, toying around and playing a game, so because of that, I wouldnt even in my wildest dream give you proof

CaveAdullam:
When I say you are a clown I wasn't missing words.
Looooooooool. You are funny dude, really funny.
Parable ko parable ni.
Muttleylaff, MrZENographer, FOLYKAZE you guys should come carry your bro o.
Looooooooool.

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I had earlier laughed myself when I read it

jcross19:
ah meaning Jesus wanted to abolish the ten commandments before?

blueAgent:
How did Jesus want to abolish the 10commandments?

blueAgent:
What I wrote in my OP is that Jesus had to die because the 10 commandments could not be abolished.

Your very own fingers typed that underlined emboldened

Bacteriologist:
But God already knew they will disobey him by eating the apple anyway?

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So? So what's your point?
Are you looking for someone to point a blaming finger at ni?
You better make sure you're attempting to rightly blame the correct offender here ooo.

Bacteriologist:
Or isn't God Omniscient? Like all-knowing??

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What has God Omniscience and/or All-knowing got to do with it?
Bacteriologist, you see, it is things like this, that separate the men from the boys, that separate those with big chutzpah from those with shrivelled balls, lol. I am sure if the shoes were on other foot and the situation were to be reversed, with you being God, I'll bet my bottom dollar you wouldnt go ahead to create A&E, lol.

In Yoruba parlance, it is said, when you're 1000% sure of your jazz/juju charm, you arent afraid to self test it, if just to confirm or not confirm any malfunctioning, missing component and/or a change in its set-up/configuration. It was a moment of truth for A&E (i.e. Adam and Eve), but, obviously not for God, lol.

gradeA, please I dont want to reinvent the wheel, so please read the below weblink, to get up to speed, on what I call God's DIY Project (i.e. God's Do-It-Yourself Project)
https://www.nairaland.com/5624496/law-god-law-medes-persians/1#85752009

gradeA:
Bro I must admit I really appreciate the time, effort, and thouroughness in your posts. They are really enlightening, and I must confess to learning a few things each time I read your posts, however I beg to respectfully differ on some views;

Nonsense, dont worry about differing. Sebi, you'll lay down your stick on the ground and I'll counter lay down my stick too just besides yours, then we'll both see and find out which of the two sticks, is crooked annd which is straight, lol.

gradeA:
My Lord Jesus Christ is not just a messenger/Angel that was sent on an errand by the father.

gradeA, if you go back to my post, and carefully re-read it, you'll notice that as opposed to using "an angel" and I actually tactfully typed "the Angel" in my comment. Two important things you want to strongly take important notice of are the words "the" and " Angel" I used capitalised "A" in the word "angel" and not lowercase "a"

Every celestial/cherubim/seraphim beings are created and potentially are angels, as in, using the true meaning of the word angelos/malak (i.e. angel from English, to translation in Greek/Hebrew) can be sent with a message, hence be messengers. There are also human beings who can be angels/angelos/malak (i.e. Haggai 1:13 etcetera) Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, unlike them celestial/cherubim/seraphim beings or even human beings, is not a created being, hence why our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ is "the Angel" Now, our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, aside from being a divine Messenger sent from heaven, by God (i.e. John 6:38, John 7:29, John 8:18 and 42 etcetera), He already has, as a the Angel" made appearances on earth. The “the” and the capitalised first letter "A", is used, to denote a unique being, separate from other angels. For sure, this is not your run off the mill, common, everyday, ordinary and usual angel, lol.

gradeA:
I would make a controversial comment now; Jesus Christ could comfortably have refused to come die for us, and there would be no consequences for Him. Just that the world would never have been saved, and perhaps the Father would find another strategy. An angel/ordinary messenger does not have such luxury - check out lucifer.

Is that what you call controversial, huh? You could have knocked me over with a feather and here was I bracing myself for a shock, only to get this belly tickling, lol.

I am sure, we both agree that God is Omniscient and Omnipotent, let me throw in Omnipresent, since you seem to like the trinity ring to things, lol, but I am particularly interested in the Omniscience and Omnipotence of God. Omniscience, as in meaning, God knows everything, as in God know the end of a matter before its beginning, lol and Omnipotence, as in meaning, God has unlimited power to do whatever He decides and/or put His mind to, lol. God threw this thing out in the open. He gave the first call to everyone. He asked who will step in the gap. He asked whether anyone would want to step in the gap, but, lol, of course, no one was prepared to be subjected to the extreme cruelty, brutality and/or barbarity of man.

I dont blame any of them for baulking. Most people dont all appreciate and/or understand the gravity and extent of the suffering Jesus went through at the hands of deliberately cruel, grudge-bearing, vindinctice baying for blood people. Jesus had His beard plucked from His face as He was lead to His death at calvary. Jesus was so much and that much beaten, the bible said, to the extent He was unrecognisable. The bible said because of the immense torture Jesus was subjected to, people recoiled from looking at Him, because of the shock of seeing the awful, horrific and appalling state of Him. Anyway to cut a long story short, God put Himself forward, this even before creation, lol, then slowly but steadily, God found Abram/Abraham, to work with, fast track 4000 years later, He appeared on earth to be Emmanuel, God with us, in the person of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ and 2000 years after, its History, His Story, and we are still counting.

gradeA:
Remember in revelations, the question was 'who is worthy to take the book and loose the seals? The Father asked; who do we send? Jesus simply offered himself as a lamb to be slain

Correction, God offered Himself, lol. I am sorry, I am messing up your theology, I know, I know that.

gradeA:
The Godhead is so much interwoven in love, unity, sacrifice and humility that each Godhead always wants to pass the honour to another. It is because they are all the same; Phil 2 vs 6-8 (paraphrasing; Jesus thought it not robbery to be equal with God the Father, but chose to make Himself of no reputation and come in the likeness of man, and submit to death, even the death of the cross)

1/ Do you, at all love your body, love yourself gradeA, lol?
2/ Would you unjustifiably and/or deliberately harm yourself?
3/ Would you get rid of something, hmm, maybe like sacrifice a part of your body, so simply just that the rest of your body be free of this defective part of your body, thats useless and inconveniencing you, hmm?
4/ Would you, where its possible to be replaced, exchange any part of your body, thats defective, with a new one, hmm?

gradeA:
I tell you please each Godhead wants to give recognition to the other because they are one and same. The bible explains that God (the Father) is very jealous and would never share His worship with another, but this same God says in phil 2 vs 9 &10 that everything both in heaven on earth and beaneath the earth should bow and worship Jesus. This way I would not even be jealous but instead glorified. That shows it is same God.

Of course, it is the same God. Are you aware that your body jealously will reject foreigns, as in meaning, reject things that didn't originally belong in the body? Do you see the jealousy correlation there

gradeA:
This same Jesus whom God pass the honour to, remember when He was on earth said I have come to glorify my Father.

gradeA, let's jump into the car and have a quick scenic route drive, eh. Mind you, it could turn out to be a bumpy ride, so be advanced warned, lol.
1/ Do you think it is impossible for God to be in two places at the same time?
2/ Do you think it is something hard for God, to be in Heaven and be on earth at the same time, for at least 33¹/₂ years, lol?
3/ Please tell, at what time, did God become God, the Father?

gradeA:
The Holy Spirit whom is now with us in His own dispensation still does not come to draw accolades to Himself, but instead testifies and witnesses Jesus to us.
The Father then turns around and says grieve not my Spirit, and any sin committed against the Father and even the son would be forgiven, but that against the Holy Ghost would never.

Notice the interplay of love, unity and most especially humility here.

My point in all of this is that Jesus chose willingly because of the humility and love to be that messenger and carry on the errand, and not because it was super imposed and forced on him. This does not make Him in anyway lesser.

No one has said anything about anyone being lesser. The three are all equal, but have you forgotten it was same you, who earlier made reference to Philippians 2:6-8, in where it states that though our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ Himself was like God in everything, but He did not think of equality with God as something to cling to. Of course, there should be love, unity and most especially humility here. Isnt God love ni? Were you expect the apple to fall far away from the tree ni?

orunmila144:
You know what I find extremely fascinating ? all the occultic mystery esoteric texts in this wworld including the egyptian book of the dead, the coffin text, the babylonian texts, the enuma elish, the koran, the persian texts and every text you see ? it is well understood by everyone that these are not to be read literally. they are to be read with an awakened spiritual sense meaning these are like symbolic parables allegory that you have to decode. but for some weird reason when it comes to the bible everyone expects it to be literal. there are no literal texts of OLD. the ANCIENTS didnt write in LITERAL TEXT. back then it was a special kind of wisdom in the world and everything was written in parables.

and so what would 2 bears represent ? that is the constellation ursa major and the bald person is the constellation coma berenices which represents a lost hair. and so who do these represent today ? the bears is russia and children represent a fallen empire or someone with no power and so there would be a fallen empire that is still gloating ( think of america they are falling but still gloating and killing iranian generals etc when internally there kingdom is finished) and this gloating fallen empire will be attacked and killed by the 2 bears and so this is a prophecy of russia smashing on america. like the text says' NOTHING NEW UNDER THE SUN '

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I think you should be trying my tea instead, if you think Iranian general(s) are archetype of prophet Elisha, lol

There is a time for literal and there's a time for not to be taking literal. Two bears literally came out to attack the young men. Elisha was not a baldie in the real sense, but had to shave his hair off denoting his separation to the prophetic office. This is what the young men know, and so they shooed him off and away. For maximum effort they maliciously and cruelly called him baldie, so just to add insult into injury

Kokoebapluse:
You have not given me answer,

You have previously been given the answer a few times at least on page 7, by MuttleyLaff

Kokoebapluse:
Ephraim is first born of God or not?

Ephraim is the first born by appointment but isnt a first by birth right

Kokoebapluse:
Who call him son of God?

Dont mind oaroloye, lol. I think his glasses were misted up when reading the thread

gradeA:
Thanks for this well detailed and researched comment. Very correct, though man is not just a Spirit.
Man is infact a Spirit, a Soul and a Body at the same time. Your Spirit and your soul has same features of your body. People think the soul is just like an organ or like your heart residing inside your body. If you believe in the trinity, the tripartite form of man is just like a shadow of the Godhead.

I believe in trinity and plus beyond trinity

Read here for more details on my position as regards trinity:
The Law Of God And The Law Of Medes And Persians.
https://www.nairaland.com/5624496/law-god-law-medes-persians#85720239

gradeA:
Remember we were made in His image.

The Soul is like God the Father - It is the seat of willpower, decision making, longings.

The body is a replica of Jesus Christ. Remember He is the visible image of God. Only your body can be seen. The body also carries out the desires of the soul, just as Jesus Christ said my meat is to do the will of the Father.

Your Spirit is like the Holy Spirit. That is why it is your Spirit man that influences and empowers your body

I can swallow this observation and still live after doing just that, lol.

gradeA:
All in all they are same, but distinct no one is greater or more important than the other.

Please note for emphasis sake, by body i mean the broken body and yielded body, and not just a carnal body.

"You heard Me say, ‘I am going away, and I am coming back to you.’
If you loved Me, you would rejoice that I am going to the Father, because the Father is greater than I."
- John 14:28

I am not trying to come across as ungrateful nor am I trying to kick/pour sand stones into your garri, but with the utmost and great respect to you, I beg to differ with your comment that "... no one is greater or more important than the other." Of course I agree without demur with you that God, the Father, the Holy Spirit and our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ are distinct and no one is more important than the other, but I shy from agreeing with you that no one is greater than the other, lol.

Fathers, by default will always be greater than sons. Dont get me wrong, I am not saying sons cant do greater things than fathers, but I am advancing that fathers until their last breath will always be greater than sons. God the Father sent His only begotten Son, in the person of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, so in that respect/context, God the Father is greater than our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, is answerable to God the Father.

Remember that our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, is the Word, lol, and even Isaiah 55:11 states that "My word, which comes from my mouth, is like the rain and snow. It will not come back to me without results. It will accomplish whatever I want and achieve whatever I send it to do." Nobi Somebody/Someone who sent our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ on an errand to earth ni, hmm, lol? Jesus afterall, is a Messenger/the Angel, isnt He, lol? (check out John 12:49-50)