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Demaduka:
Yes DSA has an impressive track record before 2016. Please tell us his records after his records of sleeping with over 30 women of his church and why his pastors resigned enmass?

Kokoebapluse:
So you re trying to say your god lie for calling Ephraim first born?

MuttleyLaff:
I have already said that you dont understand nor know what is going on, each time, when God, up and down the place was saying Ephraim, is God's first born, Israel is God's first borm and even that, David is God's first born.

It is God's prerogative to call whomsoever He wants His firstborn. Fyi, "first born" spiritually, has different meaning(s), from "first born" literally. Stop trying so hard to make fetch happen, instead, call it a day, then go read on the antecedent of Ephraim, to find out what particular & significant act(s) did Ephraim do, that justified God calling Ephraim His first born

oaroloye:
IF YOU KNEW ANYTHING, YOU WOULD GIVE THE SPECIFIC SCRIPTURES, AND CLOSE THE CASE, INSTEAD OF TELLING UNBELIEVERS TO RESEARCH WHAT YOU MERELY BLUFF THAT YOU KNOW.

oaroloye:
Where was DAVID EVER called a FIRST BORN OF GOD?

oaroloye:
PSALMS 89:20-28.
^20. I have found David My Servant; with my Holy Oil have I Anointed him:
^21. With whom My Hand shall be established: Mine Arm also shall strengthen him.
^22. The Enemy shall not exact upon him; nor the Son of Wickedness afflict him.
^23. And I will beat down his foes before his face, and plague them that hate him.
^24. But my faithfulness and My Mercy shall be with him: and in My Name shall his horn be exalted.
^25. I will set his hand also in the sea, and his right hand in the rivers.
^26. He shall cry unto me, "THOU ART MY FATHER, MY GOD, AND THE ROCK OF MY SALVATION."
^27. Also I will make him My Firstborn, higher than the kings of the Earth.
^28. My Mercy will I keep for him for evermore, and My Covenant shall stand fast with him.

HOW DOES THIS APPLY TO DAVID?
When did DAVID ever call himself a SON OF GOD?
If he had done that, it would have been impossible for the PHARISEES to have charged Lord Yeshua with "BLASPHEMY."

kushercain:
I didn't even see this your reply.
I was racking my head for scriptures to reply that misguided man.
Nice one boss.

gradeA:
Are you a follower of Apostle Joshua Selman?

kushercain:
Man is a spirit he has a soul and lives in a body. Smoking my kush reading Corinthians.
Raaaaaaaah!!

gentlegenius:
Can you proof what you are typing here? That man is a spirit?
Stop equating man with God. Only God is a spirit. MAN IS A SOUL...
"And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became A LIVING SOUL".(Genesis 2:7)

gentlegenius:
Next time, don't display your ignorance by stating your false beliefs just because you hear it from others.
The OP rightly stated above that man is a soul, using a computer software as a basis for comparison with the human Soul, yet you read all that and still write what you wrongly believe.
Saying that Man is a spirit is just like saying that a computer or robot is Electricity (power).
Can you now see your ignorance?

EternalBeing:
We really thank HOLY SPIRIT for the testimonies of what HE has used these threads to reveal to many here. I was shocked at the answers initially given by many when I created a thread titled "What is the Purpose of Man on Earth? What is your Purpose on Earth?" Many answered by saying they were amazed that they've never even given that a thought before that day, so, they didn't really know. But by the end of the thread, we've all learned the Purpose and became better beings.

Human being Created by YAHWEH ALMIGHTY can be compared to robot manufactured by man.
The only major difference is that ALMIGHTY gave humans free will to choose whether to be resurrected to live forever or to permanently die, unlike robots that don't have any free will. The man-robot comparison in this post would help us to better understand the tripartite nature of Man as Spirit, Soul and Body. A Man is essentially a Soul, we shall see below.
To understand the 3 components that makes a man, we compare them to the 3 components that makes a robotic computer.

*The physical Hardware is similar to man's physical body. The probability that the robot or computer would still function well even when the mouse or keyboard is faulty is still high. So, loosing a leg, hand, or eyes still don't prevent a human from discovering and fulfilling his glorious Destiny in accordance to the Will of his CREATOR.

*The Software on which the robot runs is similar to the human Soul. The software is the determinant of how well the robot works. It would determine if the computer would excellently perform the task for which it was manufactured or not. I once had my computer system paralyzed by virus infested software, it was an experience far from being pleasant. Just as hackers infect our computers, Satan have put things in place to infect, hijack or worse still, to permanently kill human Soul. he hates the Truth that Man, who was created from mere clay, has been given the ability to choose to live forever. So, he works tirelessly to deceive and prevent humans from earning that very primary right to Immortality that we were put here to receive. The Soul is a very important part of Man because once hijacked by Satan, he uses the persons body to further hijack, corrupt or destroy other humans, and finally destroy the used human that yielded to be his tools for the sake of fame, power and money. Satan does NOT and can never love any human being. He hates all human being with perfect hatred. As the Bible and Quran confirms, Man was granted the highly exulted position that he coveted, demanded and fought YAHWEH ALMIGHTY the Creator of all for. So, those that go to bow to him for one thing or the other are only being deceived with fake love, so that he can destroy them after using them to destroy other humans.

*The Electricity that powers the robot is very much like the Spirit that YAHWEH ALMIGHTY breathe into Man to give us life. When this leaves, Man dies. This is why when a human dies, the falsely flourishing physical pompous body that some labor all their lives to build and excessively nourish to the point of indirectly eating other human flesh and drinking fellow human blood, begins the process of decaying immediately. YAHWEH ALMIGHTY GOD is essentially a SPIRIT, the source of all other Spirits and the CREATOR of all things. That is why HE is called the omnipresent God. The more of HIS Will you do, the more Life comes into your spirit to build your Soul like a software that has been programmed to replicate itself and grow until your Soul grows into full stature of Christ (Ephesians 4:13) and become undefeatable by the adversary.

Out of these 3, the major one that we humans should be most concerned about is the Soul. Proverbs 4:23 "Guard your heart (seat of soul) with all diligence, for from it proceed the issues of Life" Satan has set so much traps to capture the hearts of men. Be very intentionally selective of the kind of videos you watch, music you listen to, things you read, etc.
New International Version Above all else, guard your heart, for everything you do flows from it.

It quite unfortunate that many have been deceived to concentrate more on developing, nourishing and excessively focusing all their energy on caring for their body at the expense of the development of their eternal Soul. Consequently, the Soul becomes dwarfed while the physical body that shall soon be dead and eaten up by worms gives false appearance of flourishing.

Anyone that puts his trust in a herbalist, pastor, alfa, marabouts, satan or demons, instead of being irreversibly determined to please his CREATOR and receive the awaiting reward of immortality, does not know the great opportunity that his great CREATOR has granted him. If your eyes is opens to your true worth as human being, no amount of money, material wealth fame and glory of the ephemeral World would be able to buy your unjustifiably precious eternal Soul.

Isaiah 2:22 "Put no more trust in man, who has only the breath in his nostrils"
Jeremiah 17:5 "Thus said the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusts in man, and makes flesh his arm"
Accept JESUS into your life today, and HE shall grant your the Holy Spirit that would lead you in walking and doing only the things that makes your eternal Soul to grow into full statue of Christ and become eligible for resurrection into your glorious eternity. Your CREATOR's plan is to make you great in this current Life and still reward you with immortality if you don't allow the trials of this World and temptations of Satan to turn you against your great CREATOR. May we wisely live and overcome to earn immorality in JESUS Name. By focusing on being Holy, you shall control the Power controlling this World, don't let this World control you!

orisa37:
They are 4.
Heart, Soul, Mind and Body.
Blood flows in the 4 but not in Robot.

finalboss:
Yen yen yen yen yen.

peteradoga3:
My brother, this religious matter just tire person, where God dey when devil decide to decive Eve

Senbonzakura:
I have a little off topic question. After Cain killed Abel, Cain was cursed by God...... then eventually he marries a wife. No be him sister or relative him marry?

finalboss:
Here we go

EternalBeing:
Alright, think of Cain and Abel as being "one" person. A man. I know they are 2 seperate men, 2 sons from same womb, but bear with me for a second...

To start with, we need to remember that no matter how long you we live in this temporary life, we shall die to later receive the reward of immortality or permanent death. Whether your current life is long or short does not matter, what matters is whether you use it to earn eternal life or not. Jesus did not even lived up to 35 years before he died to show us that the length of life doesn't not really matter, but the focus should be to use this current short Life to please our CREATOR so that we can receive the original Purpose for which HE created us; to live forever. Enoch and Elijah showed us that humans can please HIM so much and earn immortality without seeing death, raptured. Rapture is about to happen, are you focused on living a holy life? Or has the decaying glitz and seductive deceitful technology of this ephemeral world deceived you to neglect your eternal Soul?
Cain is the "old man" (born first).

Abel is the "new man" (born last).

Cain was a murderer.
The old you...

Abel died for his faith and lives forever as testified by his speaking blood.
The new you that received eternal Life in Christ through holiness...

Cain is "the beast". He acts like an animal. Before "I" was saved I was the beast. I sat on the throne in my own temple declaring that I was god -running/ruining my own life as a king. 2 Thessalonians 2:4
Unknowingly, -worshiping Satan by doing so...
The old you...

Abel lived for the Lord.
After I was saved I let Jesus walk into HIS Temple (my body, HIS Breath is my Life) and set down on the throne of my heart in the Holy of Holies.
My heart is now the ark of the covenant. -It's where I keep God's Law.
The new you...

Cain is the "son of perdition". The Devil entered into him. He went into his temple, and sat down on the throne to run the kingdom.
The old you...

Abel was the "son of God". Jesus lived in him. He let Jesus enter into His temple and sit on the throne to run the kingdom.
The new you...

The kingdom of God comes without observation.

The temple of God is your body.

1 Corrinthians 3:16:17
16. Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and the Spirit of God dwelleth within you?
17. If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is Holy, which temple are ye.

The god you have chosen sits on the throne in your temple. Is it you or Jesus?

You can only have peace when you let Jesus sit on the throne in your temple. The peace that passes all understanding. Abel received eternal life.
The new you...

You would only have short-lived enjoyment and war when you let satan sit on the throne in your temple. No rest... He comes to steal, kill, and destroy your right to live forever. Cain fell for eternal death.
The old you...

When Jesus came, He came to permanently bring us up out of Egypt once and for all. Moses' name means "to bring up out of".

Egypt is a desolate land of fake spiritual enlightenment through which satan hijack souls, full of sand, very little water, and a deceived man sitting in a temple declaring himself as god. Idols and monuments "to men" standing everywhere. The day you chose to sit on the throne of your heart, a demon takes over. The real Pharaoh was a demonic marine authority that the great CREATOR of Heaven and Earth killed in Exodus 7:21, the physical king Pharaoh was just a figurehead puppet used by the marine demon to manipulate Humanity. Read that and think about it, how can just ONE Fish die and the whole river turned to blood?
Those pyramids were man-made mountains. A mountain in the Bible represents a kingdom.
So they represent man-made kingdoms. Basically Egypt is Earth...

All the "old men" had to die in the desert including Moses.
The old you...

All the "new men" would go into the Promised Land.
The new you...

The "Promised Land" represents "Heaven".

Only your Creator deserves to permanently sit on the Throne on your heart. The devil's subtle trick remains same through all ages, he hijack authority over souls by promising them false freedom. Adam was baited away from his Creator by the promise that he shall become independent of YAHWEH, he became dependent of satan by obeying his lying voice. Many feminists are being baited always with lie of becoming independent of Man, so they become dependent on satan. He that manufacture a car or phone tells how to get the best of it. HE that created us told us how to make best of our Humanity.

Contentment; obedience is great wisdom. Abel permanently submitted the throne of his heart to the Source of Life and earned eternal Life, while Cain lost his eternal life by trying to take the place of Source of Life in his own life.
Matthew 16:25 "For whoever wants to save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it." Surrender your life permanently to the Messiah today, and never cease to invite/pray the Holy Spirit to take permanent Control of your thoughts and the Source of your thought. Remain blessed, holy and rapturable in Jesus Name.
Shalom!

MuttleyLaff:
Try saying ''your claims are false'' again

How you managed to read ''murder'' into that narrative wont cease to amaze me

These are the generations of Jacob. Joseph, being seventeen years old,
was feeding the flock with his brethren; and the lad was with the sons of Bilhah,
and with the sons of Zilpah, his father's wives: and Joseph brought unto his father their evil report.
- Genesis 37:2 KJV

The hebrew word used in the Elisha narrative is ''naar.''As in the original text, it is the same word seen in Genesis 37:2 above, used for a 17 years old Joseph. In the Bible, ''naar'' means young man, servant or attendant a lot more than it means child or children

Talking about temple, Bethel as a matter of truth, was a hotbed due to the sins of Jeroboam (i.e. legacy of King Jeroboam I, setting up the worshipping of golden calves, one in Dan, the other in Bethel) and so, the young men were attendants at the Bethel temple

It was a face-off between good and evil. The battle lines were drawn by the young men prepared to fight and who were bent on stopping Elisha coming to Bethel. Breaking up the group of young men is the justification, no, not for murder,
There was no murder rather it was recorded as a SPLIT. The group of energised and frenzied young men were split up. The group of young men's survival instincts kicked in making them do a helter-skelter dash to safety

Except for just you, a born fabulist, I doubt this your DOCTUFOS OF TRUTH strange theology has a following. With it, you seems to take unhealthy pleasure in inventing crooked accounts and go to extra-ordinary lengths to elaborately type out dishonest stories

No offense, but is this your DOCTUFOS OF TRUTH some kind of perverse joke?

MuttleyLaff:
They werent kids, these were young men on a concerted attack and organised mission that God and His prophet representing Him, are not wanted, would not be tolerated and are not welcome in their city.

Nothing hilarious in this tragic incident, but quite a lot to learn from and out of it, I'll say.

There isnt any struggle in explaining the passage. The passage is more like, if you know, you know. Who no know, no go know

They werent children, they were youths, young men, about same age as Elisha in fact, when the bears attacked.

Death is inevitable. Something must kill a man. Death will come and is mandatory too

Death is a universal truth that can never be defied. We cant change this truth, we all are born with limited breath. Weirdly enough, when you come to think of of it, there are no punishment far worse than death.

They were killed, mauled by the bears. The young men were frozen to the spot with fright when the bears appeared. They likely wanted to run but their feet were literally rooted to the ground, as if glued to the spot and locked-in to the ground. They couldnt run, because they were paralysed out of fear of seeing two blood thirsty bears baying for their puny hide and arse.

Ecclesiastes 7:17 states that: "Do not excel at wickedness, nor be a fool. Why die before your time?"

Those young men got their comeuppance. They carelessly shortened their lives by their bad and/or foolish actions. Abraham and Jacob, probably were turning in their graves at the behaviour of those young men. Abraham and Jacob, were probably rubbing their eyes in disbelief, wondering isnt this the same Bethel we knew and a place we associated with God.

It is tragic, that because Deuteronomy chapets 5 & 6 were ignored, the young men didnt live a long time, didnt enjoy a long life and the promise that their days may be long didnt happen for them.

There was a covenant between them and God. The covenant had terms and conditions. Read Deuteronomy 5:1-33, noting Deuteronomy 5:33 particularly and/or Deuteronomy 6:1-25, especially Deuteronomy 6:15, to know more about the covenant made between them and God at Mount Horeb.

The contribution OLAADEGBU posted on that thread went swoosh over everyone's head, like as if it was a Naija Airforce fighter jet and "people didn't know warris going on"

MuttleyLaff:
"¹These are the commandments and statutes and ordinances that the LORD your God has instructed me to teach you to follow in the land that you are about to enter and possess,
²so that you and your children and grandchildren may fear the LORD your God all the days of your lives by keeping all His statutes and commandments that I give you, and so that your days may be prolonged."
- Deuteronomy 6:1-2

"²¹If you walk in hostility toward Me and refuse to obey Me, I will multiply your plagues seven times, according to your sins.
²²I will send wild animals against you to rob you of your children, destroy your livestock, and reduce your numbers, until your roads lie desolate."
- Leviticus 26:21-22

"They will be wasted from hunger and ravaged by pestilence and bitter plague;
I will send the fangs of wild beasts against them, with the venom of vipers that slither in the dust."
- Deuteronomy 32:24

Please leave richard in peace Daejoyoung ooo. I previously have said there was a there was a covenant between them and God at Mount Horeb.. It was this that Elisha activated, because these young men trainnee prophets from the traditional home where God "lives", Bethel, rejected God and disgracefully sent his prophet away

Now, if Muhammed wont go to the mountain, the mountain will be brought to Muhammed. If you wont go read about the covenant's terms and conditions, I will bring excerpts of them here for you to read, if reading the whole of Deuteronomy 5:1-33 and Deuteronomy 6:1-25, at one go was the problem, lol to know more about the covenant made between them, the Israelites and God, at Mount Horeb.

Give it a rest Daejoyoung, because they agreed to the terms and conditions of that contract, lol

oaroloye:
SHALOM!

AS I SAID BEFORE: THAT IS NOT "WHAT THE BIBLE SAID;"THAT IS MERELY A PART OF WHAT THE BIBLE SAID

GENESIS 1:26-28
"^26. And God Said,
"Let us make Man in Our Image, after Our Likeness: and let them have Dominion over the Fish of the Sea, and over the Fowl of the Air, and over the Cattle, and over all the Earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the Earth."
^27. So God created Man in His Own Image, in The Image of God created He him; male and female created He them.
^28. And God Blessed them, and God Said unto them,
"Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the Earth, and subdue It: and have Dominion over the Fish of the Sea, and over the Fowl of the Air, and over every Living Thing that moveth upon the Earth.".

IF EVER WE ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS, WE SHOULD REMEMBER THE VERY FIRST THING GOD SAID TO MANKIND.

I am the only person on Nairaland talking about THE TEN TALENTS Doctrine- which I revealed years ago- but not one Christian has ever acknowledged, let alone THANKED me for.

Forget about awarding me TITHES and OFFERINGS, Blessings and Praises.

But then they wonder why their country is going to Hell.

WITHOUT MEMORY, WHY YOU CONTINUALLY FALL INTO EXACTLY THE SAME DITCHES, FOLLOWING EXACTLY THE SAME DITCHES, IS GOING TO BE A MYSTERY, ALL THE WAY TO FINAL DAMNATION!

ELISHA was a HOLY man- having obeyed The Commandment of God:

There are four Spiritual Energy categories:

LEVITICUS 19:1-2.
^1. AND The LORD Spake unto Moses, Saying,
^2. "Speak unto all The Congregation of The Children of Israel, and say unto them,
'YE SHALL BE HOLY: FOR I THE LORD YOUR GOD (AM) HOLY."

REVELATION 22:11-12.
¹¹."He that is UNJUST, let him be Unjust still: and he which is FILTHY, let him be Filthy still: and he that is RIGHTEOUS, let him be Righteous still: and he that is HOLY, let him be Holy still.
¹²."And, behold, I come quickly; and my Reward is with me, to give every man According as his Work shall be."

OUR NATURAL STATE IS INHERITED FROM OUR PARENTS, ACCORDING TO THE MEAN OF THEIR SPIRITUAL ENERGY CATEGORIES AT OUR CONCEPTION.

Anyone can attain Holiness, by keeping God's Commandments, but the lower one's Natural State, the harder it is to even comprehend that we must make the effort.

It is the duty of Parents toward their future offspring, that they make themselves as Holy as possible, before conceiving them.

Recreational Sexual Intercourse is about the fastest way there is, to achieve low Spiritual Energy. Both partners Souls yield a considerable amount of Spiritual Energy during Sex, in the attempt to create a New Offspring- even when that is clearly impossible.

Therefore, offspring conceived at the end of a sequence of Recreational Sex bouts, which allowed for no recovery in-between, are at a Spiritual Disadvantage.

[See: THE FIRE FROM WITHIN, by Carlos Castaneda.]
This explains the cliché of the Spiritual Clergy couple, who have UNHOLY OFFSPRING.

OYINBO THEOLOGY says that MARRIED couples can have all the Sex that they want, without being defiled.

That is a complete lie, and the state of their unrighteous offspring proves it.

EXTRASENSORY PERCEPTION]/i] CAN DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN THE FOUR SPIRITUAL ENERGY LEVELS VISUALLY.

That is to say, a Prophet can determine a person's Spiritual Worth, just by looking at them, and [i]*seeing* their Spiritual Energy levels.

THE FOUR LEVELS OF PERCEPTION.

4. DIFFERENTIATION: The sane and intelligent ability to perceive the differences between similar things.

3. ASSOCIATION: The sane and intelligent ability to perceive the similarities between different things.

2. IDENTIFICATION: The insane and stupid inability to perceive the differences between different things.

1. DISSOCIATION: The insane and stupid inability to perceive the similarities between similar things.

0. DEATH: The Complete Failure of the ability to perceive anything..

[See: SCIENTOLOGY 0-8: The Book of Basics, by L. Ron Hubbard.
THE FUNDAMENTALS OF THOUGHT, by L. Ron Hubbard.]

SPIRITUAL ENERGY IS REQUIRED TO UNDERSTAND THINGS: FORTY GREAT BANDS MAKE UP THIS UNIVERSE; THERE ARE EIGHT STACKED UNIVERSES, OF WHICH THE EARTH UNIVERSE IS THE LEAST SPIRITUALLY POWERFUL.

It is impossible to understand the Knowledge of Spiritual Energy Bands greater than our Reserve Level can enable our Mind to Acutely Access.

Most Students- being generally conceived low on Spiritual Energy- will know the experience of scoring high in Exams, but forgetting 90% of what they knew in the Exam Room, as soon as 2 weeks later. This is why.

No Spiritual Energy is needed for SENSING- even a DEAD ROCK can do that. Spiritual Energy is required to have CONSCIOUSNESS that is AWARE that it has Sensed something.

However, considerably more Spiritual Energy is needed to UNDERSTAND what one has Sensed, than is required to Sense something- that is what Lord Yeshua called PERCEPTION and UNDERSTANDING.

In Understanding, the Mind consciously emulates all the vibrations in a perceived image, to know what any part of it is.

JOB 28:28.
And unto Man He Said,
'BEHOLD, THE FEAR OF THE LORD, THAT IS WISDOM; AND TO DEPART FROM EVIL, IS UNDERSTANDING.' "

JOB 39:13-18.
^13. "Gavest thou the goodly wings unto the peacocks? or wings and feathers unto the ostrich?
^14. "Which leaveth her eggs in the earth, and warmeth them in dust,
^15. "And forgetteth that the foot may crush them, or that the wild beast may break them.
^16. "She is hardened against her young ones, as though they were not her's: her labour is in vain without fear;
^17. "Because God hath deprived her of Wisdom, neither hath He imparted to her Understanding.
^18." What time she lifteth up herself on high, she scorneth the horse and his rider.".

PSALM 111:10.
The Fear of The LORD is The Beginning of Wisdom: a Good Understanding have all they that do His Commandments: His Praise endureth for ever.

PROVERBS 1:7.
The Fear of The LORD is The Beginning of Knowledge:
but Fools despise Wisdom and Instruction.

PROVERBS 9:10.
The Fear of The LORD is The Beginning of Wisdom:
and The Knowledge of The Holy is Understanding.

ISAIAH 55:6-11.
^6. Seek ye The LORD, while He may be found, call ye upon Him while He is near.
^7. Let the Wicked forsake his Way, and the Unrighteous Man his Thoughts: and let him return unto The LORD, and He will have Mercy upon him; and to our God, for He will abundantly pardon.
⁸. "FOR MY THOUGHTS (ARE) NOT YOUR THOUGHTS, NEITHER ARE YOUR WAYS MY WAYS," saith The LORD.
^9. "FOR (AS) THE HEAVENS ARE HIGHER THAN THE EARTH, SO ARE MY WAYS HIGHER THAN YOUR WAYS, AND MY THOUGHTS THAN YOUR THOUGHTS.
^10. "For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from Heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the Sower, and bread to the Eater:
^11. "So shall My Word be that goeth forth out of My Mouth: It shall not return unto Me void, but It shall accomplish that which I please, and It shall prosper (in the thing) whereto I sent It."

DANIEL 12:2-3.
^2. And many of them that sleep in the dust of the Earth shall awake, some to Everlasting Life, and some to Shame (and) Everlasting Contempt.
^3. And they that be Wise shall shine as the Brightness of the Firmament; and they that turn many to Righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.

DANIEL 12:10
Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried: but the Wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the Wicked shall Understand; but the Wise shall Understand.

THE BIBLICAL DEFINITION OF "UNDERSTANDING" IS: KEEPING THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD.
PROVERBS 18:17-21.
^17. (He that is) First in his own cause (seemeth) Just; but his Neighbour cometh and searcheth him.
^18. The lot causeth contentions to cease, and parteth between the Mighty.
^19. A Brother offended (is harder to be won) than a strong city: and (their) contentions are like the bars of a castle.
^20. A man's belly shall be satisfied with the fruit of his mouth; (and) with the increase of his lips shall he be filled.
^21. Death and Life are in the Power of the Tongue: and they that love It shall eat the Fruit thereof.

THE BRATS WERE UNHOLY, UNRIGHTEOUS, AND NOT EVEN FILTHY: THEY WERE CLEARLY UNJUST OFFSPRING OF UNJUST PARENTS- DESTINED TO GROW INTO THE SORT OF THUGS THAT ACCEPTED ORDERS TO MURDER ALL THE PROPHETS THEY COULD CATCH!

They showed PROPHET ELISHA the Power of their mouths. Prophet Elisha showed them the Power of a HOLY PROPHET'S MOUTH

If ANY ONE of the Children had been HOLY, they could have EFFORTLESSLY Commanded the Bears to CEASE, DESIST, and RETURN TO THE WOODS, and they would have complied.

If ANY ONE of the Children had been RIGHTEOUS, they could have Commanded the Beasts with an Utmost Effort.

If there had been any FILTHY, they would not have participated in the jeering, but their utmost effort would have FAILED to accomplish Victory against the Bears.

The Power Elisha used was the Birthright of the all of them.

But they gave that Power away to the Devils.

Therefore, they became nothing but GARBAGE, OF NO VALUE, to be DISPOSED OF, as soon as it becomes a NUISANCE.

Little Children have 8-Level Consciousness, which, over time, due to FAULTY UPBRINGING and EDUCATION, becomes 1-Level Consciousness- nearly always EARTHLY LEVEL.

SHAMANISTIC EXPERIMENTS have been run, in which children are specially-raised to not-lose the Heavenly Consciousness.

PRAHLAD JANI is an example of that- as a child, three goddesses (Devils, naturally,) waylaid him, and abused him with a Covenant, that he should serve them, and never eat nor drink anything, ever again.

In a country where even millions died of Starvation, and Water-borne Disease (people bathe and excrete in the River Ganges, while downstream, people drink from it- because it is "Sacred!" that seems like a GREAT DEAL!

It is not. It implies that the Devils were incapable of feeding their worshippers. The Devils always Deceive, and their Lies are not obvious.

MATTHEW 21:33-46.
^33. "Hear another Parable: There was a certain householder, which planted a vineyard, and hedged it round about, and digged a winepress in it, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country:
^34. "And when the time of the fruit drew near, he sent his servants to the husbandmen, that they might receive the fruits of it.
^35. "And the husbandmen took his servants, and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another.
^36. "Again, he sent other servants more than the first: and they did unto them likewise.
^37. "But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, "THEY WILL REVERENCE MY SON."
^38. "But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, 'THIS IS THE HEIR; LET US KILL HIM; AND LET US SEIZE ON HIS INHERITANCE.'
^39. "And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him.
^40. "When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen?"
^41. They say unto him, "He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons."
^42. Jesus Saith unto them, "Did ye never read in the Scriptures, 'THE STONE WHICH THE BUILDERS REJECTED, THE SAME IS BECOME THE HEAD OF THE CORNER: THIS IS THE LORD"S DOING, AND IT IS MARVELLOUS IN OUR EYES?'
^43. "Therefore Say I unto you, 'THE KINGDOM OF GOD SHALL BE TAKEN FROM YOU, AND GIVEN TO A NATION BRINGING FORTH THE FRUITS THEREOF.'
^44. "And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder."
^45. And when the Chief Priests and Pharisees had heard his Parables, they perceived that he spake of them.
^46. But when they sought to lay hands on him, they feared the multitude, because they took him for a Prophet."

WHAT IS THE CORRECT WAY TO GREET MESSENGERS FROM GOD?

The Pharisees were Hypocrites, who apparently said:

"GOD IS OMNIPOTENT AND OMNISCIENT; IF HE REALLY SENT THESE MESSENGERS, HE SHOULD GIVE US A SIGN, TO STOP US FROM TORTURING THEM, KILLING THEM, AND REJECTING HIS MESSAGE!"

God is not Omnipotent, Omniscient, nor Omnipresent. If He directly views the Earth, He has to act on what Sins He sees, or be a party to them.

When and If Holy men, Women, and Children make God aware of what us happening in the 8^th Universe, He HAS TO ACT.

This is why Prayer "Works."

The Unbelievers talk big about the useless children, who did what THEY surely did their whole lives- not one word about the faithful, peaceful, weak Prophets of God- whose Sin was that they failed to develop beyond ESP- who were butchered by the fathers of wicked brats like them.

MuttleyLaff:
Are people not bothered to properly read or study the Bible anymore?

Honestly, I wasnt going to be bothered commenting, but the sin of being silent over xxxx's misunderstanding & misinterpretation of the face-off between Elisha and those 42 youths, who incidentally were temple servant young men and not children, would have been more serious than whatever evil actions were carried out or whatever evil motives were harbored by the various so called or latter to be mentioned villains

Records to be set straight are as follows:
#1) It werent 42 children rather it were 42 young men, and they were youths doubling up as temple servants where golden calves were worshipped in Bethel.
#2) Elisha was not a baldie, he for the obvious reason shaved his hair off, but was mockingly called baldie,
just like when someone's called ''adanri'' after sporting a head skin-cut
#3) It wasn't a bear, rather, there were two she-bears
#4) The bears did not brutally kill anybody rather what happened is that, the bears split up the group of young men
If bears did brutally kill anyone talkless 42, dont you think there will be a strong protest or strong objection from their families?
Dont you think there would be a recorded reprisal or dont you think that the people of Bethel will launch a public outcry, if the bears really did kill the 42 ''children''?

BlueAngel444:
People like MuttleyLaff claims that woman has since 2000 years ago plus been liberated, my question is from what?

Is it Childbirth or being submissive to their husbands was it their bondage

So is working a bondage to man (not to drift but that's why God made Adam according to Genesis)

By the time I finish you will understand why some prostitutes are better than some church girls that claim they know the bible but insult God by their actions.

No wonder some prostitutes are even valued in scripture, because godly virtue surpasses prideful virginity.

I won't be surprised if prostitutes make heaven and some "wives" end up in hell.

The true value of a woman is in actually being a woman

I wonder what the likes of shadeyinka, Finallydead would say that because Jesus died 2000 years ago being a helper which also means being an assistant turned to mean being a leader.

You people will be quoting some spirit and scripture and claiming that's what is in the bible, creating confusion.

If you for God be for God, if you are for the world be for the world and stop the whole lukewarm nonsense.

BlueAngel444:
I think the problem is those false teachers that tell you Jesus died to take away your pain

And some have taken it to the extent of Genesis 3:16-19

But we all know men still die so those guys are pretty much telling a lie.

To the woman he said, “I will surely multiply your pain in childbearing; in pain you shall bring forth children. Your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you.” Genesis 3:16

Till date I never see woman dey laugh as she dey born yet you will still be hearing nonsense like "I don't want a man to rule me o" but you will still carry bible on Sunday and go and pray for husband.

Who are you deceiving

Finallydead:
This might really scare solite3, and it seems shadeyinka, you've been intimidated by his misconception of scripture, like they are trying to do to 1StopRudeness, so I'll help you say it.
. Do you naively think we have every single thing that was taught by speech to early believers or was there ever a time that any of the apostles wrote an epistle to outline all of the doctrine of Christ for future generations?

Three specific times in all his epistles... Or again would you say Paul is delegating prayer to literal men (excluding women) and dresscodes to literal women. So that prayer is now gender specific? Solite3, stop bothering our women whom God is calling to pastor please.

solite3:
I want to ask you, where did paul's teaching came from?
Paul was surrounded by other apostles including Peter,James and John and all of them agreed to his teaching and jos calling so paul's teaching are scriptural if you dont agree with it throw your bible away.

solite3:
Secondly, you said paul was not speaking literally to women, so tell me how did you come about this?
So when paul taught that husband is the head of the wife it was figurative?
When he taught that women should dress moderately it was figurative?

Pls go and sleep.

Maximus69:
ONLY MALES ARE GIVEN THE PRIVILEGED TO TAKE THE LEAD on earth!

BlueAngel444:
Having a gift of prophecy doesn't make you a prophet.
When one claims they know they don't, they seem wise in their own eyes.

BlueAngel444:
Please solite3 did you accuse or condemn women, because I know I did not and except I missed something in your posts I didn't read where u did

BlueAngel444:
And Mr leaf, everyone has hard times and stop twisting facts please

BlueAngel444:
God selects females, usually women who have married as prophetesses

shadeyinka:
Is this a comment or a question?
I don't see what marriage has to do with God selecting a female for His work

BlueAngel444:
I am not surprised you don't see it, I'm surprised you admitting to it.

shadeyinka:
Come out plainly!

BlueAngel444:
God's word is straight forward even the simple trusting the Spirit of God can understand it.

God's word doesn't change, if it does that makes him a liar

Priests - males
Kings - males

It's pride that makes a man want to be god or a woman want to be a man or even god.

what is male dominance self, can the head exist with a body or the body exist without a head.

The example to follow numerously mentioned is that of Jesus, male and the church, female.

Devil likes disorder, he thrives in it.

There's a reason God made and kept it the way He says it should be and because people don't understand they fight it n try to change it.

When God made them he made them helpers

BlueAngel444:
Are you asking to know or you're claiming to know.


And if you don't agree with God's view as Paul clearly repeatedly writes the same things over and over and even says it is a command from the Lord.

Bro either you accept it or you don't. Just the same way the people rejected Jesus because they did not understand

Trying to fit God into their own shoe box size

BlueAngel444:
There's no way you know God, and that the Holy Spirit reveals scripture to you and gives you God's understanding and you will write much of what you wrote above.

So God is a liar but the world is right.

Some of you need to ask yourselves what spirits are inspiring you lot

solite3:
out of point

MuttleyLaff:
You would say out of point, wouldnt you, with that your knee jerking fingers immediate unthinking and emotional reaction, all because you're highly sensitive and an incorrigible incurable.

This is why you dont see that the woman has been absolved of the curse and advised not to sin no more, so meaning the question of your alleged "a desire generally to control man or place herself in man's position for example when always feel the need to manipulate or mould man to her taste" is a non issue to a redeemed true daughter of God.

Your ego will not let you learn from women who happen to be biblically highly well informed and spiritually more knowledgeable than you are. Women can teach men, so far they are not teaching anything that is against the expressed will and/or command of God. Women can assume position of leadership either spiritually or secularly.

There are women leaders in the Bible, same way women leader in the secular world, like Theresa May ex-PM of UK, Angela Merkel current chancellor of Germany, Nicola Sturgeon the First Minister of Scotland and the leader of the Scottish Government, Ellen Johnson Sirleaf former President of Liberia from 2006 to 2018 and was the first elected female head of state in Africa etcetera.

solite3:
ok Angela Merkel, Nicola sturgeon, etc are church leaders if that is what you want.

Kokoebapluse:
So you re trying to say your god lie for calling Ephraim first born?

MizyB:
I think the remains of jezebel's hands and feet was like a proof to the fulfilment of Elijah's prophesy concerning her to those that threw her down. just as Christ's hands and feet were a sign to the doubting disciples that the prophesy concerning his death and resurrection had come to pass. In Luke 24:39, Christ was showing them his hands and feet, serving as a confirmation to the fact that he was the same one who was crucified and is alive. I don't really know about the skull but it should align with the significance of the hands and feet.

Oga MuttleyLaff, kindly help out sir.

MizyB:
Sir Muttley is this man above me correct in anyway?

Gggg102:
because they don't like the taste of makeup (maybe).
she painted her face, her hands and probably her feet. so they were covered with makeup.

udopee:
THE DOGS THAT ATE JEZEBELS FRESH DID NOT EAT HER FEET AND PALMS OF HER HANDS BECAUSE SHE WAS PUTTING ON ARTIFICIAL NAILS ON THEM, AND HER SKULL WAS SPARED ALSO BECAUSE OF THE TYPE OF PAINTING SHE APPLIED ON THEM. JEZEBEL WAS THE WOMAN THAT INTRODUCED PAINTING OF THE BODY PARTS. IF DOGS SHOULD FORBID EATING SUCH PARTS, THIS SHOULD POINT TO YOU THAT PAINTING OF FACE AND NAILS IS AN ABOMINATION. IT IS MEANT FOR THOSE THAT ARE SPOILT (JEREMIAH 4:30).
# DON'T FORGET JEZEBELIC ATTIRES #

peteruuu:
Lord have mercy!
I'm just seeing thus thread but, you already preempted me!.

That's exactly what I had in mind if typing here.

Just exactly.
Words for words.

Shalom sis.

Xavi2019:
@muttleyLaff, please do justice to this thread, please.
What is the answer?

ichuka:
Seconded!!!

Kokoebapluse:
Is Ephraim truly first born of God?

Kokoebapluse:
. But your God said Ephraim was the first born of God...

Kokoebapluse:
do you know what first born means?

CaveAdullam:
Classic specimen of a human being @muttleylaff is dissecting this issue of trinity like the way he does with the "other." I love that H2O, water analysis. You try well well. 3 gbosa for you muttley... Lol

This Pastor-Teacher, Ihedinobi, want to drag HOD's chair, nor be for nairaland e go for happen. Learn to take corrections first before running to give others correction pastor-teacher. In other words first remove the log of wood in your eyes before finding a speck of dust in the eyes of another.

Thanks.

God bless.

Kokoebapluse:
Who is the first born of God between, Ephraim, Abraham, Jesus?

Finallydead:
Wow. Solite3 would you go this far? So it's still not obvious to you that Paul is speaking in parables which the early church clearly understood, but unfortunately most in our generation don't. You'll probably also claim that the woman in Rev12 was a literal woman or that the Lord meant in Jon16:21-22 that the apostles were all women. And yes, the dress code there is also very figurative with each detail having its spiritual parallel, in case you dont know. Solite3, it's such a clumsy defence you have given to say that literal childbirth is part of how God saves the woman without considering the sisters who will never give birth on earth. I thought you also believed in salvation by solely grace but here you are adding childbirth exclusive of Christ's finished works, for women. According to you His salvation plan is gender specific. Even your conscience alone should tell you that an unbelieving lady also gives birth and will never be saved by that. And FYI, I never said the text doesnt apply to the modern woman, I said it doesnt apply here to any literal woman either in those days or now. The Holy Spirit can never go against His word but you can by just misconstruing it and not depending on Him to help you understand. Solite3, since you failed to give a valid rational answer to my question, it's not too late to close down this thread or else you have all the time in the world to try again. Go read Rom16:7 while you're at it and behold the name of the female apostle who was in Christ before Paul.

solite3:
one problem with people like you is that when you dont have scriptural backing or when scripture is against your actions you claim it is holy Spirit. What you failed to understand is that the Holy Spirit cannot go against his word.

You claim 1 Tim 2 vv11 to 12 does not apply to the modern woman, this is how satan deceive alot of people saying ' times have change' but does it change the timesless word of God? Forgeting that same 1 timothy told women to dress moderately with shamefacedness going by your logic it does not apply to the modern woman, so you keep setting aside God's word for your modern culture or tradition making it lose its power.
Women shall be saved through child birth does not have to do with eternal life.
The key to understanding that statement is in genesis.
The woman was placed under to curses
1. Child birth pain
2.their desire is toward their husband and their husband would have to rule over them.
The second curse is a desire generally to control man or place herself in man's position for example when always feel the need to manipulate or mould man to her taste, this is as a result of her fallen nature but when she gives birth to a child she can channel that desire to her child hence saving her form her desire.

solite3:
out of point

Finallydead:
solite3 are you actually saying that women can neither be pastor's nor teachers over congregations having men?

solite3:
nope I am not the one that says so but the word of God.

1 Timothy 2:12
But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

Finallydead:
I invite 1StopRudeness, shadeyinka, BlueAngel444 as witnesses found on this thread.
solite3, the scriptures are full of divine parables and if we always take them literally and without the Holy Spirit's guidance, we end up with false doctrines and host of confusion leading to even our own condemnation (Jam 3:1, Matt 5:19, 2 Pet 2:1-2, 1 Tim1:3-7). If you're willing to take my advice, I always advise believers to quit trying to teach scriptures especially contentious themes that seemingly disagree with the basic principles of Christ. Rather invest in spiritual growth (which is all that really counts in eternity) through knowing the Holy Spirit, obeying God, and encountering Him on deeper levels continuously and He will reveal Himself to us and whatever needs to be known in scriptures in due time and the right order. I'll give you a chance to save this thread, otherwise please close it down as a mistake for the sake of the innocent lambs, especially females. If you can answer my question unequivocally, then I'll know what next. But if you can't, then you have only misunderstood this scripture and should shut down this thread. Here goes, If you truly believe the women being referred to here in 1Tim:11-12 are the female gender around us, then how did God manage to integrate childbirth into their salvation programme, (v15). Please also include in explanation what God will do about the barren women who will never give birth as well as all celibate females and even the male gender who will all never know childbirth. I could easily tell you the interpretations of Paul's parables here but as Muttleylaff knows well, I usually avoid raising questions so I'll leave only a clue: the wise will find the answer in between my very words.

The Holy Spirit is anointing so many women today into the pastoral office not as exceptions or special cases but as a norm under Christ, in which there is neither male nor female, even where spiritually capable men are, friend. Don't frustrate their blessed souls because of your misconception of scriptures, which the Spirit never revealed to you.

FOLYKAZE:
Complement of the Season bro!

FOLYKAZE:
If I may ask you, what is your own view on the subject. Do you see Jesus as God and been same as Father? Or see Jesus as God but not same as God the Father.

FOLYKAZE:
Let me paint a clearer picture with God's names.

FOLYKAZE:
Is Jesus same personality as Yahweh, or they both share same powerhouse (e.g Aso rock villa house the Presidency. In this system, Office of the President has many smaller offices like SGF, AGF, etc. When AGF makes a statement, it is compounded as Presidency or FG, even though the office of the AGF is a small unit in the Office of the President.), thereby both operate as God but different personalities

FOLYKAZE:
On a wider sense, how do you define the word 'God'.

FOLYKAZE:
Can someone or something attain such status; or are there possibilities that there are more than one God?

FOLYKAZE:
Thanks

Ranchhoddas:
Unbelievable.

Ranchhoddas:
What does this mean??

Ranchhoddas:
Are you saying he guessed correctly