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budaatum:
That was the point in the post that you contended, mutt, perhaps next time read to understand first!

No, I guess you're now a clairvoyant. You know what isxin my mind, more than I do. You can read my mind sef. I only said a few words, how come your confusion, hmm? I think, you should self medicate and take your very own prescription, which is, to next time read to understand first.

Empiree:
You have turned this to insult bcus you can't defend your position.

You're a drowning man, who will desperately cling onto anything in sight to save you from drowning. I knew you'll soon use the insult card, and was just wondering what is taking you so long to use it, and then POW, right on time, you came up with it. I have, from the word go, given a "no offense and/or insult intended". If I want to insult, I will and let you know I have, by telling you I have

Empiree:
I will call it a day with you.

I would love that. It will be good riddance to bad rubbish

Empiree:
The dude you cited only used one isolated verse to prove his point.

Who did I cite? You're confused as usual, lol.

Empiree:
My question still remain, if all christians read the same bible why do christians differ on who Jesus really is?. Why is the confusion amongst yourselves?. It is clear from the video i posted

I repeat my response to you. Are our fingers equal in length?. No, they arent and so that's the reality of life. Even our Muslim brothers have factions in Islam, because of difference in beliefs etcetera. Our muslim brothers are not immune from differing in what they believe in.

Empiree:
Is Jesus God or man or God and man at the same time?

Jesus is divine and human. Yes, Jesus is God and man, at the same time. For the work, God came down to earth to do in the person of Jesus, Jesus had to fundamentally be man, apart from being God.

budaatum:
Honestly? I think you just post plenty word thinking it would beffudle the mind and one wouldn't note you are saying nonsense when the truth is you are saying nonsense to hide the truth from yourself!

How, mutt, does the above mean, "giving the Lord Almighty a choice"?

Note Ihe sliding away from his claim that God chooses between options given to God by apostles!

budaatum, for the love of God, please show me anywhere that I talked about "giving the Lord Almighty a choice?". It is a glaring fact, that ever since the very beginning, man has and always drop the ball, then after, relies and depends on God, to pick it and properly kick the ball about and kick about into goal.

I dislike when people try to hoodwink others by misrepresenting the content, I might have posted. Fyi, budaatum, don't unnecessarily get your knickers in a twist, because I didn't like you've alleged post many words. What I posted, were, an extensive two listed Bible verse references, with the aim of wanting others, to see the context leading and surrounding to how the disciple Matthias was selected. I didn't form an opinion, but left that for the readership to make whatever judgement call and their own opinion they think about the whole matter.

It is only a begrudging, biased, untruthful, dishonest and blind person, who will say I posted plenty words, when all I posted were three short paragraphs, of minimal short lines or sentences. Smh.

I am not interested nor contesting whether Matthias was approved or not by God, but wondered why a Holy Spirit prompt or assistance wasn't sought

Empiree:
I am just reluctant to reply you bcuz you dont seem to read yourself before posting. You are very boring, sir. First, with respect to But Jesus turned and rebuked them Luke 9:55, the context which you cited really makes no sense. Jesus clearly rebuked them for calling him Lord. Draggin this with you over and over seems to be long winded argument.

You're such a shameless barefaced liar,

How do you sleep with yourself and your missus at night, the way you blatantly lied here, that Jesus clearly rebuked the disciples for calling him Lord. I detest liars, dishonest, untruthful and insincere people. I am sure that Bodydialect57 read how you knowingly told this your stinkingly bad lie and shook her head at you for your dishonesty.

Empiree:
Second, "epistle" not "episode" was my intended post.

You're nothing but a time waster, time stealer and time killer. You're a complete and kofam total distraction. Mtcheew. What a big mistake to be engaging you

Empiree:
Third, you insist Jesus is God, now, if that's the case, why don't all christians believe the same?. Don't pretend as if there are no christians who don't believe Jesus is not God. There are christians who don't believe He is. Are they reading different bible?. From this 8 mins video, 4 christians were asked if Jesus is God?. Two of them said he is God. Two of them said he is not God. Question is, why is there major differences in your creed?. Are they reading different Bible?. But if you ask muslim if Muhammad is God we will all say NO. If you ask us muslims if Jesus is God, we will say NO. No muslim on earth would have difference of opinion.

What a lame and dumb question to ask.

Empiree, look at your fingers, are they, all, equal in length? Before it gets to, seems to be long winded for you, need I go on? Need I say more? So I rest my case. Smh.

Empiree:
h t tps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grDPJmb3gAs&t=30s

Stop this bad habit of sign posting me to other people's arguments and other people's original work. This is between you, I, and the contents in the Bible, so stop bringing in your third party assistants to help you get a leg up and gain unmerited mileage. Are you incapable of having your own original thought ni? Is it because you're unable to do your own careful thinking? You are unable to, and with God, process and form original thoughts in your own mind by yoursel? Cant you fight your corner without introducing in third parties ni? Articulate your opinions by yourself, stop parroting or regurgitating other people's arguments and/or website literary works to me

Empiree:
Now, ponder over this verse where Jesus acknowledged there is Superior Being Greater than him and He is the ONLY God.

Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'" John 20:17

Now, try to twist this as well

You still dont get it Empiree. There is nothing and no need for twisting anything here.

If it is possible for God to simultaneously be in more than one place at a time (i.e. meaning it is something possible for God to do, as in, be in Heaven and be on earth, at the same time), and it is perfectly and easily possible for God, be in Heaven as God the Father and be on earth, at the same time, as Jesus Christ, then simple common sense Empiree, will let you know that sons are always answerable to fathers. There is no exception to this rule, when it came to the Father and the Son. Ah, you wouldnt understand this Empiree, because it's hard, tough meat for you. Please go away Empiree, because you're dishonest, insincere, you knowingly tell lies and you cramp my style.

budaatum:
Some yeye apostles are telling God Almighty to choose out of two options?
Words must blind you!

"¹In my first book, O Theophilus, I wrote about all that Jesus began to do and to teach,
²until the day He was taken up to heaven, after giving instructions through the Holy Spirit to the apostles He had chosen.
³After His suffering, He presented Himself to them with many convincing proofs that He was alive. He appeared to them over a span of forty days and spoke about the kingdom of God.
⁴And while they were gathered together, He commanded them: “Do not leave Jerusalem, but wait for the gift the Father promised, which you have heard Me discuss.
⁵For John baptized with water, but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit

¹²Then they returned to Jerusalem from the Mount of Olives, which is near the city, a Sabbath day’s journey away.
¹³When they arrived, they went to the upper room where they were staying: Peter and John, James and Andrew, Philip and Thomas, Bartholomew and Matthew, James son of Alphaeus, Simon the Zealot, and Judas son of James.
¹⁴With one accord they all continued in prayer, along with the women and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with His brothers
¹⁵And in these days, Peter having stood up in the midst of the brothers, and the number of names was about a hundred twenty together, the same said,
¹⁶“Men, brothers, it was necessary for the Scripture to have been fulfilled which the Holy Spirit spoke beforehand by the mouth of David concerning Judas, the one having become guide to those having arrested Jesus.
¹⁷For he was numbered with us, and was allotted a share of this ministry.”
¹⁸(Then indeed this man acquired a field out of the reward of unrighteousness, and having fallen headlong, he burst open in the middle and all his intestines gushed out.
¹⁹And it became known to all those dwelling in Jerusalem, so that that field was called in their own language Akeldama, that is, Field of Blood.)
²⁰“For it has been written in the book of Psalms:
‘Let his homestead become desolate, and let there be not one dwelling in it, and, ‘Let another take his position.
²¹Therefore it behooves the men having accompanied us during all the time that the Lord Jesus came in and went out among us,
²²having begun from the baptism of John until the day in which He was taken up from us, one of these, to become a witness with us of His resurrection.”
²³And they put forward two, Joseph called Barsabbas, who was called Justus, and Matthias.
²⁴And having prayed, they said, “You Lord, knower of the hearts of all, show which one of these two You have chosen
²⁵to take the place of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas turned aside to go to the own place.”
²⁶And they gave lots for them, and the lot fell on Matthias, and he was numbered with the eleven apostles"
- Acts 1:1-5, 12-26

¹⁴Then Peter stood up with the Eleven, lifted up his voice, and addressed the crowd: “Men of Judea and all who dwell in Jerusalem, let this be known to you, and listen carefully to my words.
¹⁵These men are not drunk as you suppose. It is only the third hour of the day!
¹⁶No, this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel: "
- Acts 2:14-16

budaatum, tbh, bearing Acts 1:1-5, 12-26 above in mind, I believe the process of selecting Matthias happened somewhere lost in the story, meaning somewhere lost in Acts chapter 2, after when the Holy Spirit had descended on the disciples like as if a dove. This I so believe because of Acts 2:14-16 above and particularly the "Then Peter stood up with the Eleven" comment.

I stand by my earlier comment, that, it is always the case like that and not unusual to drop the ball, then after, expect and/or leave God, to pick it up and kick the ball in goal for us. Though the disciples were within their old school rights to play lottery with chosing lots, I dont read them being moved by the Holy Spirit to do this nor see the Holy Spirit instigating it

As far as I know, a prologue, often is used to give readers extra information that advances a plot, and so is included in the front matter and for a good reason. I dont know why Paul inserted the disciple replacement in front

prinzfavian, for your information, that accursed book of Enoch, is very skilled and/or proficient. The author(s) of the book(s) before the Chinese, had perfected the art of reverse engineering. You will find body of terms, and/or expressions already in the bible used in that accursed book of Enoch. Biblical phrases, and even Jesus' sayings are slipped inside that deceitful, fraudulent and Machiavellian book of Enoch, whose evil intent is the end that jusifies the author(s)' dark, demonic, diabolical, misleading and ungodly means. Don’t be fooled by the book looking helpful and harmless. It is a careless, reckless and ill-informed book and so the devil is in the details.

fao prinzfavian and cc'ed nijabazaar, please if need to, quote this post and not the one above because if you do, might get a posting ban for using it.

prinzfavian:
Please OP, what chapter and verse of the book of daniel and genesis did you read that made reference the term "watchers"... I want to know please.

prinzfavian, for your information, that accursed book of Enoch, is very skilled and/or proficient. The author(s) of the book(s) before the Chinese, had perfected the art of reverse engineering. You will find body of terms, and/or expressions already in the bible used in that accursed book of Enoch. Biblical phrases, and even Jesus' sayings are slipped inside that deceitful, fraudulent and Machiavellian book of Enoch, whose evil intent is the end that jusifies the author(s)' dark, demonic, diabolical, misleading and ungodly means
cc: nijabazaar

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Ihedinobi3:
That is, they gave God two options and told Him to pick one. There is nothing in there that even looks like a request for counsel. What if God didn't want any of the two that they chose? What then?

Yep, "... gave God two options ..." It is always the case like that and not unusual to then after, expect and/or leave God, to pick up and fix the pieces, lol. They say God is bad, God is wicked, God is cruel, God is inconsiderate, God is careless, when all God ever does is Good. This sentiment is perfectly encapsulated in Jeremiah 29:11, that says: "For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the LORD, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end".

Empiree:
All this episode just to prove nonesense, brother?

Episode kor, instalment ni. If not because I am proving what a nonsense person you are, you really are not worth wasting my valuable bullets and precious gun powder upon.

Empiree:
Anyways, @bolded you said Jesus didn't correct those who called him God. Here in this Bible passage they called him "good". Not even God and he rebuked them.

"Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--except God alone Mark 10:18

You really seriously are asking for this education, arent you?

Empiree, please kindly show and tell, where and when did Jesus, leaving no room for confusion and/or doubt admit He is not God, hmm?

Fyi, Jesus said why do you call Me good, meaning, if you know who only and really is good, then please think carefully the implication of your words and/or wording, when you call Me good. It only implies that there must be something striking about Me, which is why you call Me good, an attribute only associate and applicable to God Almighty, lol

Empiree:
Here, Jesus was called Lord and he rebuked them
But Jesus turned and rebuked them Luke 9:55

"⁵¹The time was coming closer for Jesus to be taken to heaven. So he was determined to go to Jerusalem.
⁵²He sent messengers ahead of him. They went into a Samaritan village to arrange a place for him to stay.
⁵³But the people didn't welcome him, because he was on his way to Jerusalem.
⁵⁴James and John, his disciples, saw this. They asked, "Lord, do you want us to call down fire from heaven to burn them up?"
⁵⁵But he turned and corrected them.
⁵⁶So they went to another village."
Luke 9:51-56

Nwanne, Mister Empiree, Alfa wey no get bia-bia, liar, liar pants on fire, Alfa ti o mọ Ọlọun, Alfa wey no sabi God, Alfa wey be say, na only that moon god allah, you sabi, lol. Empiree, let me explain to you, how to properly read, interprete and understand the Bible, I'll then afterwards, finally clear you on Luke 9:55, this will in the future stop you from appearing to come across as an ignoranus and/or look like a dunce. No offense or insult intended, just saying, should in case my last comment gets interpreted that way

Now Empiree, first, dont again, give my that insolent "all this episode, just to prove nonesense, brother" sic and bad-mannered comment, OK? Instead of your flippant remarks, what I want from you, is learn some perfect and great examples on how to properly read, interprete and understand the Bible. One of the first important thing to learn, is about the the phrase: "Context is King". Empiree, this has to do with, do not read bible verses in isolation. Never again, do that. When you read a bible verse in isolation, like you did with Luke 9:55, you're reading it under pretext and deceiving yourself with interpreting the import of message in the text wrongly, like you just did with Luke 9:55, in past, lol.

Empiree, you took the biblical text, Luke 9:55, out of context, and when people like you, make the mistake of quoting a bible text out of context, they are nine times out of ten, quoting the verse, understanding and interpreting it under pretext and not in context, lol.

I have taken the liberty to above, reproduce Luke 9:55 in context, meaning, reproduce Luke 9:55 with surrounding bible verses, so has to contextually understand what Luke 9:55 is about, how we got to Luke 9:55 and most importantly what really is Luke 9:55 saying and/or did Luke 9:55 say, lol.

Empiree, here is, where with rapt attention, you get your pen and paper ready, lol. Dont weep, just simply learn, OK? The disciples because the Samaritians did not give Jesus a welcome, were asking Jesus that does He want them to command fire to come down from heaven and consume the Samaritians for rejecting Jesus and not giving Him face, but Jesus in Luke 9:55, turned round and lectured the disciples. He, in the same Luke 9:55, paraphrasingly said, "Haba, kilo de, Dont you know what Spirit you are of, a son/daughter of God wouldnt behave like that to others, calm down, I did not come to destroy men’s lives, but to save them"

Empiree, do you now see how you took the Luke 9:55 biblical text, out of context? You interpreted Luke 9:55, out of context. You in full swing pretext interpreted the import of the verse wrongly. What kind of foul spirit Empiree, are you made of, to want to be doing something bad, evil and misleading like that, hmm?

Empiree:
You have nothing to stand on, bro. Read 90 Verses That Say: Jesus is Not God Nor the Literal Son of God

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Empiree, Empiree, Empiree, please dont go barmy on me. Why should I go read "90 Verses That Say: Jesus is Not God Nor the Literal Son of God". Is it because, you are incapable of having your own original thought? Is it because you're unable to do your own careful thinking, unable to, by yourself and with God, process and form original thoughts in your own mind ni? Is that why you need a "90 Verses That Say: Jesus is Not God Nor the Literal Son of God" crutch to lean on, huh? Is that why you're sign posting me, to go read some lousy and tired "90 Verses That Say: Jesus is Not God Nor the Literal Son of God" that is full of boring, dumb, uninteresting, uninspiring, bad and inferior quality stuff, erhn?

I'll be a multi billionaire and over, by now, if I was to be given a pound for everytime, our fellow muslim brothers, advance "90 Verses That Say: Jesus is Not God Nor the Literal Son of God" for a showdown, just like you Empiree have done here, lol.

Let me be fair and just with you. Here, listen up Empiree, I am going to give you, an opportunity to shine, to be a star for the Islam cause and hero for our mutual fellow muslim brothers, lol. Here's the deal Empiree. Why dont you, select your best verse out of "90 Verses That Say: Jesus is Not God Nor the Literal Son of God," then table it here, and lets examine and critique it together. This is not a hard bargain, it is a good offer Empiree, I can't be and/or say fairer than that.

Empiree:
Again, you cancelled out this Bible verse which contradicts your creed.

John 5:37
And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape

Read my lips Empiree, I'll forever cancel and/or cross out whatever and whenever you write things the bible never said nor means

What is your problem, huh Empiree? What part of, it is not impossible for God to simultaneously be in more than one place at a time (i.e. meaning it is not something impossible for God to do, as in, be in Heaven and be on earth, at the same time), didnt you understand. What dont you understand in, it is perfectly and easily possible for God, be in Heaven as God the Father and be on earth, at the same time, as Jesus Christ, hmm?. Smh. Face palm.

Fyi, John 5:37, doesnt contradict anything, rather it reinforces. If you know, you know, but if you no know, like someone like you, you no go know. Sorry, peele, "ku afara da". Gently retreat to a corner, there, go lick and attend to your bruises

Empiree, read John 5:18, then weep and wail, lol. It is going to daze you and confuse your mind the more, lol

BeLookingIDIOT:
He must have been invited for him to be here

Nobody gave him an invite. He jumped in through the roof gatecrashed the thread and began wild wild west cowboy style shooting from the lip.

BeLookingIDIOT:
Anyways such is is still rare. Moreover, he isn't cursing or insulting or making any hate speeches typical of what the christains do in the Islamic threads.

Cursing or insulting or making any hate speeches will come later, because he is just warming up to begin to just those, lol

BeLookingIDIOT:
Stop lying, what Islamic fundamentalists comes in mass to say nonsense about your nonsense threads

There is one currently on this thread making a right arse of himself along with the other banned clown

Oops, chukwukamsonelo you've only just registered today and your first post is discarded just like that. Peele, kedu, sorry, lol.

Empiree:
what is the purpose of Angels them? Smh

"And I sought for a man among them, that should make up the hedge,
and stand in the gap before me for the land, that I should not destroy it: but I found none
(i.e. I looked for someone who might rebuild the wall of righteousness that guards the land.
I searched for someone to stand in the gap in the wall so I wouldn’t have to destroy the land, but I found no one)"
- Ezekiel 22:30

"He saw that there was no man—He was amazed that there was no one—to intercede;
so His own arm brought salvation, and His own righteousness sustained Him."
- Isaiah 59:16

"I was amazed to see that no one intervened to help the oppressed.
So I myself stepped in to save them with my strong arm, and my wrath sustained me
(i.e. I looked, but there was no one to help; I was shocked because there was no one offering support.
So my right arm accomplished deliverance or achieved salvation for me, my raging anger drove me on)"
- Isaiah 63:5

The position of things Empiree, is that, God looked for someone who could build walls or looked for someone to stand in the breach in His presence on behalf of the world so that it won't be destroyed, but He found no one and so God is lumbered with, doing a classic Do-It-Yourself, by sending Himself to earth from heaven, to carry out this vitally important redemptive work.

Empiree, so God sent Himself, did send Himself down to earth, in the form of Jesus Christ. You've accepted and agreed that there is nothing impossible for God to do, lol,. You grudgingly accepted and agreed, that, it is not impossible for God to simultaneously be in more than one place at a time (i.e. meaning it is not something impossible for God to do, as in, be in Heaven and be on earth, at the same time) Note that, Jesus didnt correct people that addressed Him as God, for example, where and when said: "My Lord, My God" to Him. It is because Jesus is God Empiree. God as Jesus, gave up His divine privileges. He took the humble position of a servant and was born as a human being, and so God appeared on earth, in human form, as in, the person of Jesus Christ, His Son. Alleluia

Empiree, you surely, must have quite a lot of times, heard the saying that "If you want something done right, do it yourself", well, since none, since nobody, not a single angel out of the whole angelic hosts of heaven, nor no man out of the whole world wide, offered to accept the challenge to help man get returned back to man's original status before the fall from grace, then God had to turn to Himself. God had to bring Himself into play and service. In order to resolve the difficult situation of fixing the Adamic marred template, God chose the DIY course of action option. The first man, Adam, is of the earth, earthy, came from earth; while the second man, Jesus Christ is from heaven, came from heaven. Alleluia.

Did I roll out, all this, too fast for you?, lol. Are you dazed and more confused? lol. It is a good sign if you are Empiree, because confusion is the first step to knowledge, lol.

I have with the above refresher reminded you of the reason why God had to send Himself on this particular and vitally important redemptive work. Now, I will answer you, so that I am not accused of not answering your question of: "what is the purpose of Angels then"

To be honest "ah o ma seun" loosely meaning, oh my, what a pity. You put me in pains, in severe pains with asking such a gaffe question like this Empiree. I am sorry Empiree, I am teary eyes about this and just need to get my composure back before starting to give you your answer

You obviously have a lot to learn from Empiree, if you dont already know that the purpose of angels then, is primarily to go on assignments.. The english word angels, is translated from the hebrew word "malak", "malaaikah" in Arabic and "angelos" in counterpark Greek, the word Empiree, by definition, simply means messenger. It denotes someone sent on an assignment and/or with a message, lol, baba olodo, odo upon twenty, lol. Dont worry, nobi you ask for teach, I'll give you that education you sorely lack. You've come to the right person to just get that

I dont know about you Empiree, but I haven't yet read anywhere in the Bible or even in your case, in the Quran, of angelic hosts of heaven popping out and physically appearing looking like a human being on their own accord and without been sent on an errand by God, as in meaning, going about any particular assigment(s) in an official capacity and so that it a precedent that shows and can be used as a reason why we dont see angelic hosts of heaven popping out and physically appearing looking like a human being, on their own accord and without been sent on an errand by God or not in an official capacity

Empiree:
Mr. Man, God knowledge encompasses ALL THINGS. He see heaven and Earth front and back at the same time. He's above His Throne but at the same time He's close to us (all living things wherever we may be) than our jagular vein Quran 50:16

And We have already created man and know what his soul whispers to him, and We are closer to him than [his] jugular vein

This rubbishes your creed.

You dont know and understand what you're talking about. Rhetorics wont save you. I see you're fond of typing discombobulated posts, whenever you're found wanting, hmm?

Empiree:
O ti da si rough because you can't defend your Bible verse which clearly conflicts nonesense you said. You crossed out your own Bible passage because it doesn't align with your creed.

I dont have to, I dont need to defend anything. I'll forever cross out whatever you wrote that the bible never said nor means

Empiree:
you don't make sense

It is because you can understand how possible it is for God to simultaneously be in more than one place at a time (i.e. meaning it is possible for God, be in Heaven as God the Father and be on earth, at the same time, as Jesus Christ, lol)

Talo ni trailer, to nyi lọ, lol. It wont make sense to you Empiree because this is strong meat for you, lol, the sort that cracks teeth, lol. It is rare you find a muslim brother that can bite, talkless chew on such a strong meat like this, even if they should eat and swallow, they cant keep it in, their stomach will refuse it, lol. Listen I'll whupp your sorry black arse anytime, any day and send you back to sender in welts. Just stay away from me and dont come back for more, lol

Someone made the good judgement to get rid of the above usual lies and "it wouldnt make any sense anyway" post. lol

Empiree:
You didnt disappoint me at all.

I wouldnt and didnt want to dash your hopes. I would by God's help and grace do anything to help you get rid of your blinkers

Empiree:
This is what I have been waiting for. Your problem is your Bible. Even though you read it in english it is still very problematic for you

This is your problem, you are prideful. You think and feel you know things, when in reality, you’re only big headed from being merely just an overbloated airhead and know nothing. Fyi, english is my first language. Why dont you come and beat me up for reading the Bible in english

Empiree:
What you just said here is blasphemy that God sent Himself to earth from heaven to carry out His task. In Islamic terminology it is called "shirk", a sin that God never forgives.

You really think God has a problem sending Himself on errands, hmm? Do you really think God did not and cant send Himself to earth from heaven to carry out the vitally important redemptive work or task, hmm? If God does not forgive the sin of shirking, why then do you think that God will shirk from a responsibilty everyone in heaven and under the sun on earth have shirked from, erhn? So you rather God leaves humanity to its fate, hmm? That God should take the position of man has laid his bed, so should gladly lie in it, huh?. We thank God, that God is bigger than you, that God doesnt reason like you do.

God sending Himself to earth from heaven to carry out His task, does not diminish or remove any of the sovereignty of God. God sending Himself to earth from heaven to carry out His task is not God thinking less of Himself, but is God thinking of you, of me and the rest of the world. Show some appreciation and gratitude for this

Empiree:
Let's assume Jesus said He is God. [s]This is in conflict with several other bible passages like John 5:37
And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.[/s]

Jesus is God, period. Dont sweat it, my very good Empiree muslim brother

Empiree:
This one verse is enough.

I want to believe your comments on this thread are your babies, right? Though you're misguided in them, you still are passionate of all and what you've being saying right? Please tell me, your words, your comment, where did they originate from? Where from were your words and comments birthed? Do and/or did they bear witness of you, hmm? I'll pause here because I sense you're beginning to get the drift, lol.

Empiree:
Now, talking about "there is nothing God can't do", your believe with regards to this is like atheism. Atheist would ask theist, can God do anything?. Theist would say; 'yes. Now that you acknowledged God can do anything, atheist would ask; 'can He (God) make a rock so big that nothing can move it?. Theist would say, 'yes'. Now atheist asks Can God make a rock so big that He (Himself) can't move it?. See this last question, that's where you got lost by saying since God can do anything, then He can descend to earth, be born as a baby boy, go through what a normal child would go through like circumcision, breastfeeding, child play and so on.. Because you don't know the true concept of God you assumed God came down to earth in form of Jesus. So the answer to atheist question is, God can do anything but He would not do anything that would no longer make Him God bcus Far Above Is He and "He is the Most High, the Most Great." [2:255]. "Glorify the Name of your Lord, the Most High." [87:1]

I have not in a very long time, read nor lately come across a discombobulated post such as this. I dont blame you. You posted that comment before reading my comment that said: "God sending Himself to earth from heaven to carry out His task, does not diminish or remove any of the sovereignty of God." God is not affected nor troubled by any of those pettiness you mentioned. Peele.

Empiree:
Besides, let's assume God came down to earth in form of Jesus(auzubillah), when Jesus was in his mother's womb, according to you, God was no longer in the Heaven but inside his mother. When a child is in the womb he pretty much knows nothing. Question is, who was in control of heaven and earth for the period Mary was pregnant?. Did God put heaven and earth on autopilot?

Mtcheew. Smh. Nwanne Mister Empiree, Alfa wey no get biabia, what part of, it is not impossible for God to simultaneously be in more than one place at a time (i.e. meaning it is not something impossible for God to do, as in, be in Heaven and be on earth, at the same time), didnt you understand. What dialect do you speak? Let me translate "it is not impossible for God to simultaneously be in more than one place at a time (i.e. meaning it is not something impossible for God to do, as in, be in Heaven and be on earth, at the same time)" for you in your dialect and your easy understanding.

Empiree:
So ponder on John 5:37

Talo ni trailer, to nyi lọ. You're taking yourself too seriously, but you are not very good, as you want to believe and think you are Empiree, so stop trying to make fetch happen. It just is not going to happen! Fyi, I am a sharpshooter. I have both short and long range weapons with pinpoint accuracies. You're going to, with me, and by your own very legs, walk and only lead yourself, to the slaughter, lol

Empiree:
Oga, you didn't say anything.

Our Oga at the top muslim brother Empiree why do you enjoy lying, like a cheap Persia rug now, erhn?

Empiree:
You are just perambulating. Go straight to the point and let us know your position, sir.

"And I sought for a man among them, that should make up the hedge,
and stand in the gap before me for the land, that I should not destroy it: but I found none
(i.e. I looked for someone who might rebuild the wall of righteousness that guards the land.
I searched for someone to stand in the gap in the wall so I wouldn’t have to destroy the land, but I found no one)"
- Ezekiel 22:30

"He saw that there was no man—He was amazed that there was no one—to intercede;
so His own arm brought salvation, and His own righteousness sustained Him."
- Isaiah 59:16

"I was amazed to see that no one intervened to help the oppressed.
So I myself stepped in to save them with my strong arm, and my wrath sustained me
(i.e. I looked, but there was no one to help; I was shocked because there was no one offering support.
So my right arm accomplished deliverance or achieved salvation for me, my raging anger drove me on)"
- Isaiah 63:5

The position of things Empiree, is that, God looked for someone who could build walls or looked for someone to stand in the breach in His presence on behalf of the world so that it won't be destroyed, but He found no one and so God is lumbered with, doing a classic Do-It-Yourself, by sending Himself to earth from heaven, to carry out this vitally important redemptive work.

Empiree, so God sent Himself, did send Himself down to earth, in the form of Jesus Christ. You've accepted and agreed that there is nothing impossible for God to do, lol,. You grudgingly accepted and agreed, that, it is not impossible for God to simultaneously be in more than one place at a time (i.e. meaning it is not something impossible for God to do, as in, be in Heaven and be on earth, at the same time) Note that, Jesus didnt correct people that addressed Him as God, for example, where and when said: "My Lord, My God" to Him. It is because Jesus is God Empiree. God as Jesus, gave up His divine privileges. He took the humble position of a servant and was born as a human being, and so God appeared on earth, in human form, as in, the person of Jesus Christ, His Son. Alleluia

Empiree, you surely, must have quite a lot of times, heard the saying that "If you want something done right, do it yourself", well, since none, since nobody, not a single angel out of the whole angelic hosts of heaven, nor no man out of the whole world wide, offered to accept the challenge to help man get returned back to man's original status before the fall from grace, then God had to turn to Himself. God had to bring Himself into play and service. In order to resolve the difficult situation of fixing the Adamic marred template, God chose the DIY course of action option. The first man, Adam, is of the earth, earthy, came from earth; while the second man, Jesus Christ is from heaven, came from heaven. Alleluia.

Did I roll out, all this, too fast for you?, lol. Are you more confused? lol. It is a good sign if you are Empiree, because confusion is the first step to knowledge, lol.

Empiree:
Are you afraid to come out of your closet?

God has not given me the spirit of afraid, rather He gave me love, power and a sound mind, fantastically equipped to make good judgment with it.

Circus

Circus. That good old theology box is the cause of the many stunt growths evidenced and displayed on this thread. Smh

gobuchinny:
Let none deceive himself. We are in the last days and the world will become more evil. Wicknedness will multiply and only does who know their God will not be wasted by the wicked one. The earth as we have it is given to the god of this world, christains cannot take over the mountains as it already given to him. You cannot compete with the world because it will all be destroyed. Like in the days of Noah, people were building and enjoying life. You cannot measure God by your bank account. That's being carnal minded. The devil gives wealth easily and right now his in partnership with the conventional 'church' to have you beleive that God is a carnal God. Using old testament scripture to deceive people forgetting that the old testament was a carnal testament as told us by Paul and Hebrews because the inheritance was a dual inheritance of both physical and spiritual as Israel had to physically expand and kill its enemies. The tabernacle and the ark of Yahweh was on earth. But in the NT, our inheritance is purely spiritual. Riches are not bad but when you love this world and the things of the world you r lost hence scripture said that it's hard for a rich man to enter but with God its possible.

Now everybody is after wealth, hence our role models are worldly people. We have aspirations and desires that dont line up with scrpiture . Yeshua is saying by scripture in that you should not seek these things like your lives depend on it like man is only made to build house in lekki and buy Benz.

The world does not know the coming danger. If you know Gid like the man that has a teacher, you should be weeping for the world sir. The preachers are prophesying peace, breakthrough, year of promotion but really in God's eyes its year of destructions , years of deaths , year of plane crashes . The world will be destroyed by fire and all will see the messiah . This is what any 'woke' lover of God should know. You dont need any teacher to teach you this. It's the spirit behind the bible. It's been about man's relationship with God o. Earth here, then transition to heaven. Hence Enoch and Elijah were able to achieve this physically

Like in the days of Noah. He told them but they wont listen AHH which kind rain, rain wet never fail before . They mocked him, but he told them still. Merciful God, gave them 120 years for grace. How many more do we have . Can you guess.

Save yourself from the incoming doom my friends cause hell is real and heaven is real. This is the whole gospel in a nutshell.

You've lost the plot of this thread. Why dont you stick to keeping up and on with slandering the angelic host of heaven, hmm? Lol. That's what you are so good at. Falsely accusing them of something they never did, but is only in the imagination of the imposter Enoch, of the ill-famed BoE, lol. Weh done sir.

gobuchinny:
Noah spoke praises to God at birth. But they forget that a donkey spoke to a prophet. If you ask a scientist who from the two has a better chance of speaking the human language, I'm sure your guess is as good as mine.

You forgot to add, that Noah has laser beam x-ray visions bwahahahaha

Fyi, the speaking donkey is a one-off and never to repeat again miracle. It was an ex.ception to the rule and never happened again. It was God who made it happened. Do you recall in Luke 19:40, God even issued a warning that if pushed and the crowds are prevented from praising God joyfully in loud voices for all the miracles they had seen that He'll make the very stones would cry out. Imagine stones singing praises. Or God is powerful. Alleluia, lol

gobuchinny:
Second, that Angel's cant copulate with humans. That's funny because even archaeology has proofs of giants and Peter spoke of the sins of angels who were locked up till judgement. What sin did they commit? Furthermore, we r told that the Angel's that kept not their first estate, please which estate r we talking about?

Stop right there and zip up that wayward cakehole. I have said this before, but will repeat it here, as you dont read, you've admitted this by saying earlier you've just read my post and repeating it here because you're forgetful.

Now for the umpteeth time, Peter quoted the BoE in derision, mocking the false teachers and peddlers of Jewish myths that, if angels who were locked up till judgement, how come the evil spirits are still about causing misery and havoc in everyones everyday lives.

gobuchinny:
Thirdly, that Enoch spoke to his son methuselah after he had ascended. But they forget that Yeshua spoke to Moses and Elijah in the Mount.

Enoch was teleported, as in meaning translated, please clarify what you mean by ascended, lol. Number two, Moses and Elijah were seen in a vision, by Peter, James and John. Notice Moses and Elijah interacted with Jesus only and never gave nor acknowledged seeing Peter, James and John, lol. I am sure you dont know the meaning, the reason why and significance of the appearance of Moses and Elijah to Jesus on that eventful night

gobuchinny:
Fourthly, that enoch says 3000 cubits in one verse and 300 cubits in another, but they forget that acts 9 and acts 22 have different accounts of Paul's conversion. One says the guys with him heard the voice that spoke to Paul and the other says they didnt. So should we dump the book of acts also?

We are talking of the imposiccant and ridiculant here and here you are comparing apples with oranges. C'mon now, a full length and a half football pitch baby, a 45 storey high baby, smh.

gobuchinny:
My brother, scripture says test all spirit and believe not every spirit. Let's put this book to test as I have and found it to be spirit filled as it points us to Yahweh and even Yeshua. Can u imagine? At a time where Yeshua had not been revealed, Enoch spoke of a son of man sitting on the throne beside Yahweh

The Quran points to God in a very convoluted, twisted and misunderstanding way too, yet we know what is true and not

gobuchinny:
Now one guy is saying we need teachers to grow in this NT dispensation . What a clown. I can drop countless scriptures to refute such demonic doctrine. But this is even from Yahweh Hebrews 8:10-11 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. Yahweh made a new covenant tru Yeshua, not like the old where you had priest who served in the altar and sacrifices both for themselves and the sins of the people Heb8 teaches this.

God will put His laws in our hearts, you need not that any teacher teach you. If we all sit down with the KJV bible and study with the Hily Spirit we will all have a testimony of His goodness not one on this thread that sat down and got more confused whereas God is not the author of confusion. Jumping from frying pan to fire . We are to follow the ways of Paul after all he brought this gospel to the gentiles. Paul after conversion sought God alone, he didn't run to the apostles which would seem like the right thing to do. After all, those guys saw Yeshua physically.and he did not

The clown is no other than you and your fellow court jesters

gobuchinny:
We must all work out our salvation with fear and trembling. The world is evil and the devil is looking for who to devour. So many false prophets and teachers. Any teacher will confirm whatever it is God has already told you if your life is truly sold out to God and you dont chase carnality but You have lost your life in this world to gain Yeshua. Problem is do we sit down to study, we r so engaged with rubbish and cares of this world forgetting that the same bible will be used as a yardstick when we die. We major in the minor and minor in the major. We must die daily and be doers of the word. We must do scripture to show love. Love for God is an action word not about singing and crying and being emotion. Whatever Yeshua has commanded is what we must do. The NT is not an advise but a commandment. We must not chase mammon for God hates it and we cant serve two masters. Mammon is the greatest enemy of the church. The same thing those ancient jews were chasing from their conquered neighbours That's y dey had different gods, gods of agriculture, god of fertility, god of rain, god of thunder, all the things Yahweh gives naturally by serving Him is what people chase that y Yeshua said take no thoughts for your life becos Yahweh wants us to serve Him only.

Going on a tangent and off topic are you now

gobuchinny:
I pray someone reading this finds place to sit down with the gospel, forget the BOE and Jasher as you dont need it to grow. Know the voice of God from the bible so when other false teacher speak, you can discern foolishness.

This is the only sensible thing written by you in a very long time. There is light at the end of the tunnel, alas, for a moment a while ago, I thought there is no hope for you anymore

Goshen360:
Everything that happened in the earthly Walk of Christ happened for God's purpose and will. At the pool, Jesus was there, the man had always been there when ANGELS come to stir the water. Hebrews says, Christ better and greater than Angels so the works of Christ nullified works angels doing.

When Christ came to that pool, he did what the man was waiting or waited for angels to do. So as he came to the scene angels used to operate on, he ended the angelic assignment by doing a healing without the angel, rendered the stiring of water no more. Hence, you never read of angel coming to stir that pool anymore after Christ healed with the man without him jumping in the pool anymore.

Just a simple explanation like that. I was expecting some heavy crunching stuff. Weh don sir, more holy spirit and grease to your elbow.

solite3:
No true christian will ever claim that Allah is his God.
As a man thinketh in his heart so is he.
By your fruit on nairaland, you have shown which side you belong.

Empiree:
I am gonna, for the sake of your question, answer you again so that I give you space to disappoint me.

Answer to your question again is, NOTHING IS HARD FOR GOD/ALLAH.

Was it difficult to, accept and agree that, it is not hard or impossible for God, or for your sake, Allah, to simultaneously be in heaven and on earth at the same time?

I know its challenging for many and especially, a muslim brother like you, to understand, what is meant, when God, with the placeholder, says: I AM

''I AM that I AM'', ''I SHALL BE THAT I SHALL'' or ''I WILL BE THAT I BE'' are expressive phrases. It means, God will be what God needs to be. We find out what God was yesterday, we keep knowing Him every moment and day. God is new every morning, God is new tomorrow

That is why, God in Exodus 3:14, said to Moses:
"I AM WHO I AM.
This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'I AM has sent me to you."

Essentially, the "I AM WHO I AM or I AM THAT I AM" in Exodus 3:14 above means, I will become whatsoever I may become. I'll be, I will become whatever it is necessary for Me, to be and/or Me to become.

God therefore and fyi Empiree, is, a "not-known-number" of person. God, therefore then, is, x-person and so God, in effect is, ∞-persons, as in, meaning, God is infinite or infinity.

God is someone without any bound, without limit, without an end. God is the first and the last, God oxymoronically has no beginning and no end. God is someone bigger and larger than any specified number, even three or trinity. This means, dont put God in a box.

Empiree:
Now, run along and please don't repeat the question because you have been duly answered. So proceed.

Try and be original, stop copying and using lines, I've previously used on you. Do you think, if you had answered my question, I've got your time to be repeating questions. You didnt even responsibly answer the question. I overlooked your evasiveness and just in order to move on, managed your insincere and faithless answer

Empiree:
I knew where you were driving at. Nothing is hard for God to do. Now, go on. I can guarantee you that i knew exactly where you are heading. But let me allow you to proof me wrong. Now please teach me

You knew, in your dreams, where I were driving at, abi?. Fyi, I am not heading anywhere, where you arent already are.

For my sins, I am just helping you along getting the epiphany of how you underestimate God. I am helping you along from where you're at, to let you realise how so wrong about God you've been. I am helping you along, to let you, by yourself see how you fail to understand how powerful God, or Allah, in your sake is. Oh, hang on, unless, you want to accept and agree that your Allah, is not as powerful as the Good, Gracious, Merciful, God Almighty, the Creator of heaven, earth and everything, hmm?

Empiree, dont try and be clever by half. Nobody asked you any question that made you give a "Nothing is hard for God to do" answer to. Look at you formulating a question for yourself, so just to give this your convenient and unconnected reply. Please dont because you are afraid of giving the correct answer change the question form.

The question you were asked to give a response to, is:
Do you believe, accept and agree that, it is not hard or impossible for God, or for your sake, Allah, to simultaneously be in heaven and on earth at the same time?

Please, jor, find the courage to answer the question, outrightly and just the way it is asked and without you making any changes to the question before replying to it. Can you manage that, can you simply just do that, can I trust you to simply, honestly, truthfully and sincerely answer that innocent, harmless, simple easy direct and straightforward question, erhn?

Empiree, I wish you had a teachable spirit, because to one, having a teachable spirit, more understanding is given, but if free of the teachable spirit, then what little understanding might have had, will be taken away and this is exactly what's going on, especially with you. Your understanding of God and appreciation of the efficacy of God, is slowly reducing, is rapidly eroding and because of sheer ignorance is being gradually destroyed

Empiree:
this is the same thing you did 5yrs ago.

[img]https://s2/images/MuttleyHilarious.gif[/img]
Here I was thinking its only elephants who never forgets. On a serious note, since Muslims are allowed to lie to non-muslims, I am 110% sure, you made up the "this is the same thing you did 5yrs ago" sob story. What is the same thing I did 5yrs ago?

Empiree:
God is everywhere in literal sense and He sees everything in heavens and Earth front and back at the same time. He doesn't need to split into 2.

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Who is talking of splitting anything into two. You my dear Empiree and other muslim brother friends with your fascination of splitting things. I guess, we'll put it down to how prophet Muhammad allegedly split the moon, isnt it? lol, bwahahaha.

Look at you fumbling at a simple, easy, direct and straightforward question.
Just answer the question ojaare, dont be telling something we already all know about God is everywhere in every literal sense of it and He sees everything in heavens and Earth front and back at the same time.

Empiree, here's the question a second time:
Do you believe, accept and agree that, it is not hard or impossible for God, or for your sake, Allah, to simultaneously be in heaven and on earth at the same time? Dont try to dodge the question please. Man up, bite the bullet, answer the question. Just do it, joor. Lol

Empiree:
You considered Jesus co-equal partner with God. This is in conflict with another verse of your Bible. I see clearly your problem. You Christians don't understand English language despite speaking English.

This is where your problem is

"The Lord Our God.

Jesus is included in OUR. If you disagree, then you have problem with this Bible verses (attachment) which made it clear that Jesus is not co-equal with God

Empiree, I know the problem my fellow muslim brothers and especially you have, so I'll assist you on the road to an ephiphany with this question, I trust you'll, unlike that dishonest Alfa, truthfully and sincerely answer it. Here it is Empiree:
Do you believe, accept and agree that, it is not hard or impossible for God, or for your sake, for Allah, to simultaneously be in heaven and on earth at the same time? Lol

We will revert back to your attachment and help you undo your confusion, after you've responded to the question, lol

Empiree:
You did not understand what he said. He didn't say Christians called themselves "Elesin keji". He said some Alfas called them Elesin keji which is wrong and creates wrong impression for some weak Muslims.

Saying Elesin keji is not peculiar. Maybe you just heard first time. Although, saying Elesin keji is understood in context but in this day and age it is creating wrong impression that God favors more than one religion. Religion with God is Islam (Sura Al-Imran verse 19)

Oh I heard, I heard him right, I heard him loud and clear. It actually is you, who didnt hear him right nor understood what he said. Fyi, he said his fellow Alfas, call what believers follow "ẹsin keji" (i.e. the second religion) and that some of the Alfas even call it "ẹsin olodi keji" (i.e. the opposing and countered second religion)

Empiree, this is like déjà vu, you know. It is not the first time and wouldnt be the last that outsiders, give names to believers, lol. Antioch and the people of Antioch, well known for inventing and ascribing nicknames, gave the believers, the belittling, disrespectful, derogatory and contemptuous christian epithet used as a term of insult and abuse. So my dear muslim Empiree friend, there is nothing new under the sun.

Empiree, you've had your money's worth circus fare and fun, playing the court jester, now please run along like a good mummy's bwoy, dont pass go, dont collect $200, just straightaway get the hell out of this thread and dont come back. You didnt even pay sef nor had an invite, you just "jawando" gate crashed the thread, as if, like goat wey no get rope tied for hin neck

Empiree:
check backgrounds of these religions you mentioned, [s]they are called "monotheistic faiths"[/s].
CHRISTIANs claimed monotheism for itself as well. [s]They are all guilty of the very same polytheism including Christianity[/s].
[s]Islam is distinctly different from all of them which means there is no monotheism anywhere, any religion except in Islam[/s].
You worship Jesus

"This is the most important," Jesus answered:
Listen, Israel! The Lord our God, the Lord is One."
- Mark 12:29

"⁵In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus:
⁶Who, being in very nature a God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to His own advantage;
⁷rather, He made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness."
- Philippians 2:5-7

Empiree, you like most of your poor ill-informed throngs of muslim brother friends have slipped on a banana skin. O ma se ooo. What a pity. Peele, sorry, lol

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Now, can't someone already just please march out Empiree with his poisonous claws and fangs contribution from this thread ni?

Empiree:
Onigbagbo simply means BELIEVERS. You can as well call Buddhists, Jewish, Hindus, Shintoists, sikhis, zoroastrian, alawo etc believers too. They believe all in something. Anyways, the Alfa has spoken the truth. Take it or leave it

"And believers were the more added to the Lord, multitudes both of men and women.)"
- Acts 5:14

I am pleased that you accept and agree that "onigbagbọ" simply means BELIEVER and not the shockingly bad and unnecessary excessive lie that shameless Alfa told, saying that it is called "ẹlẹsin ikeji", (i.e. follower of the second religion) The Alfa trying very hard to mislead also called it "ẹsin keji" (i.e. the second religion.) He then in a way to further give a more wrong idea and impression of what believer means called it "ẹsin olodi keji" (i.e. the opposing and countered second religion) Smh

Empiree, fyi, there is nothing among believers called or known as "ẹsin keji" (i.e. the second religion) nor "ẹsin olodi keji" (i.e. the opposing and countered second religion)

Empiree, that person who is persuaded of the truth and reality of our Lord Jesus Christ are called and/or known as believers, period. Such believer believes every word that proceeded from Jesus' mouth and obeys the commands of Jesus Christ.

Empiree, the wayward muslim pikin wey no gree receive good training from home, nah for outside hin go return get educated proper. Now read and learn. Buddhist, is a follower of the religion based on the teachings of Buddha. Jewish, has to do with ancestry traced back to the Biblical patriarchs such as Abraham, his son Isaac, Isaac's son Jacob, and the Biblical matriarchs such as Sarah, Rebecca, Leah, and Rachel.

Hindu, is about the ancient religion with Indian origins whose characteristics include the worship of many gods. Hindu, as a matter of fact, is not originally an Indian word. It is a word given by the Greeks, to refer to the land and peoples beyond the Indus (or Sindhu) River.

Shintoists are followers of the Japanese religion that involves the worship of ancestors, nature spirits and a belief in sacred power in both animate and inanimate things. It was the state religion of Japan until 1945

Sikhs are followers who believe in reincarnation and karma concepts found in Buddhism, Hinduism

Zoroastrian is a follower of an omniscient but not omnipotent god.

Alawo is an adherent of ATR.

Empiree, yes, its true they all believe in something, but the sixty-four-dollar question now is, what do they believe, do they believe in Jesus Christ? Do they believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, etcetera lol. There is a distinction(s) Empiree, lol. "Ọdun Agẹmọ, o yatọ si, Hallowen party" lol. Anyways, the Alfa has spoken the lies straight up from dark abyss of the pit of hell. Take your trash with you, dont park it or leave it here.

This thread is increasingly turning into a circus in play
Like as if one or two clowns arent already enough, now we have an Empiree another clown come join in

malvisguy212:
may be you are right. but that brother keep repeating the same thing

alBHAGDADI:
Don't waste your time with that unsaved fellow and his fellow satanists. They are just here to cast apsersions on the thread which has achieved the saving of the souls of many who read it.

@bold

This meme always crack me up. Viera standing by the door and smirking. Bwahahaha, I don't just know why, lol

gobuchinny:
Do you know the book of Jasher was quoted at least twice in the old testament?

Has it ever occurred to you that it is an indictment of the Book of Enoch, that the BoE is not outrightly mentioned any where in the Bible, Old Testament and/or New Testatament. Unlike other books, the likes of the book of Jasher, the BoE is not like BoJ openly, completely and entirely mentioned in the Bible nor is it plainly visible for all to see Book of Enoch written with black ink in the Bible.

If the book of Enoch, really was worth its weight in its fake gold status, if the book was that much respected, if it is revered, if it is that much respected, if it is held in high regard and/or highly looked upon, why isnt there a single outright mention of the book in the bible? Why dont we see it in the bible, with the words "book of Enoch" written up in black ink, just like any other the books worthy that got mentioned in the bible, hmm?. I gave a fair list of those books on page 2 of this thread, the BoE is MIA, Missing in Action, it is AWOL, Absent Without Leave

gobuchinny:
And anyone who reads that book will see how it fills in gaps in the bible? The bible is after all a historical account brother.

Anyone who reads that accursed BoE book will see how it easily attends to itching ears and the easily influenced impressionable person. It doesnt blocks any fathom gaps in the bible, it leads into a canyon of wishful thinking, ranging from the ludicrous to fantasy, lol.

gobuchinny:
That you r scared of other books that are not in your conventional bible shouldn't make you run down the books. At least allow other read and discern.

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Who is afraid or scared of the big bad wolf the book of Enoch. I am sure that, just like I have, back to back read the BoE, so Ihedinobi3 has too. What makes you think grown ups are scared of books, that are not in the recognised conventional bible, hmm? Have you seen our libraries ni, huh? Have you see what we have in our libraries ni, huh? Dont ever again, try that "you're scared" line here again on this thread

gobuchinny:
The only way to know if a book is inspired or not is to at least read it . That's y we have d Holy Spirit. He will teach you all things.

I have back to back, read the BoE, and trust me there is one best place inspired for it, and that is to be flushed down the toilet

The book of Enoch papers wont make me comfortable to wipe my bum with, but in the absence of readily available toilet tissue paper, I wouldnt hesistate using it to clean my bum with

gobuchinny:
At least you r not muttey dat is hopelessly blinded .

Thats right keep him sweet, get down on your knees, spit in your hands and lick his boots clean with it. What a pitiful sight to behold. You think your flattery will take you somewhere, lol. Sucking up to ihedinobi3

gobuchinny:
You beleive in the fallen angels story and it makes me know you beleive in the bible. That's all that matters. Leave others who wanna go d extra to gain understanding by way of BOE or Jasher because that bible you holding is not ALL of the words of Yeshua .

Maybe I havent yet told you, so I will tell you now, and that is, you are more confused than a chameleon that slipped and skid drop into a bag of skittles. If anyone believes that some angels, who are celestial beings, some time in time past, found female human beings too attractive and too tempting to be resisted, that they became overcome d by sexual lust, had sexual intercourse with the female human beings then after married them, then all such person are on a long thing, lol, smh.

gobuchinny:
The important thing is to love God and His son Yeshua and it matters not if you read Jasher or Enoch. The 66 books are more than Enuff mate. I respect people who respect d bible as you clearly do by acknowledging what Peter and Jude said. Muttey is lost .

gobuchinny, you're beyond being ignorant. I respect your choice, your hard-core dedication to remain ignorant and your full determination at unwillingness not to accept reality and face the facts, lol. C'est la vie, that's life.

gobuchinny:
Please ill try n make this my last post here because the bible is enough and promoting a book is not the gospel however, it's also wrong to knock down a book esp if there r no evidences to prove its apostasy. All the issues raised here on Enochs apostasy have been answered. Truly, if Enoch is an inspired word, it must mirror the known word which it does.

Just because one is hungry, isnt an excuse to call a dog bros. No one calls a pig aunty, just because it looks pretty wiiheits toes painted lipstick red and because it has rings in its nose and ears, lol

If there ever was a genuine and true Book of Enoch, Moses, one of the prophets and even the Bible would have mentioned it, but alas, no, nobody, is proud to outrightly mention this supposedly "great, admirable, highly respected and regarded" book. Something is odd and smells fishy here with this book. It is a dud, yeah, I said it. Somebody has to say it, lol, now come and beat me up at my house for calling the Book a fraud and the Enoch featured in it, an impostor, lol.

gobuchinny:
No blasphemy, and every issue raised can be examples from the bible

"And the women also of the angels who went astray shall become sirens."
1 Enoch 19:2

It is beggars belief, how a sensible bible believer will hold such a nasty piece literary work of a book called the BoE in high regard. Look at 1 Enoch 19:2 above there for instance, trying to initiate gullible and easily influenced believers into pagan mythology. gobuchinny, do you at all know what "sirens" are? I'll tell you. "Sirens" comes from Greek mythology, a siren, in Greek mytholgy, is a half bird, half human being creature, lol. Now your dahling book of Enoch gobuchinny, is telling us that the women who married your fictitious angels, gave birth to giants, who were transformed into "sirens" lol, bwahahaha, smh.

No blasphemy, and every issue raised can be examples from the bible, did you say gobuchinny, hmm? You really can that gobuchinny erhn? When the book is a demonic snare and dangerous in inexperienced hands. This is just a taster and tip of the ice berg example of how dangerous, perverse, ugly and nasty this book of Enoch is and can more be. gobuchinny fear God now, desist from painting this accursed book, like as if it smells of roses, please, biko, joor.

Eviana:
Sir, We now have (2) Enochs....aside from the fictitious "Book of Enoch" Enoch?

Ma, it isnt we now have (2) Enochs ... aside from the fictitious "Book of Enoch" Enoch, but it is, we've always had two (2) Enochs....aside from the fictitious "Book of Enoch" Enoch, and I must admit that I am beginning to like you more, because you're a smart person and you learn very fast, lol

Eviana:
Sounds like confusion to me

God is not a God of confusion, this is why by divine providence, God did not permit this accursed book of Enoch, to be outrightly mentioned anywhere in the Bible. You wouldnt find the book of Enoch spelled out or written in black ink to be visibly seen or read anywhere in the Bible. God didnt want any room for confusion, this is why the rubbish doesnt feature nor have an outright mention in the Bible

Eviana:
I can agree, however, that this book allegedly written by Enoch, is not inspired by God.

You can go further, by agreeing that the accursed book of Enoch, was not written by any of the two real Enochs of the Bible, but it is the handiwork of an imposter, the work of a fake Enoch ghostwriter

Eviana:
I am more inclined to believe that that "book" is faulty and not connected to the Holy Bible.

How would know that the Book of Enoch is faulty and not connected to the Holy Bible Eviana. Well, contrary to what people like gobuchinny say about the BoE filling gaps, it doesnt because that's a big fat lie.

There are just too many holes to burst in the Book of Enoch. For starters just going to start with one fault first, and that will be the "... Enoch is seventh from Adam ..." howler mistake. Eviana, you go school naah, you know how to read books, you know how read and understand fully well long posts, hmm? OK Eviana, then please help us find and show the world where in the scripture aka Bible, that Enoch is seventh from Adam. Thank you.

Eviana, in your Bible searches, please dont quote Jude 1:14, as an answer. The reason why, is because, Jude in Jude 1:14, is not mentioning anything about either of the real two Enochs who existed in the Bible and before the flood, but rather he was talking about the fake star character featured in the fantasy book, the Book of Enoch, whom the author of the book, self styled himself after. The author pretends in the book, to be Enoch and so calls himself Enoch.

For your information, that intro part of Jude 1:14, as in meaning "... Enoch is seventh from Adam ..." in fact, did not anywhere come from the Bible Genesis but was taken from the Book of Enoch. Jude paraphrased it from 1 Enoch 60:8, lol.

So, let's have it Eviana, where in the Bible is Enoch seventh from Adam? Trust one of those smarty-pants to come try and hoodwink with a lame line to explain this fault, lol. Eviana, watch that gobuchinny fella because I wouldnt trust him, even as far as I can throw.

Eviana:
Not aware of (2) different Enochs in Genesis, unless you're talking about another character named "Enoch" listed in a geneology..which I have never read before.

"And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch:
and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch."
- Genesis 4:17

Surprise, surprise Eviana. The first Enoch on the Bible scene, was a son of Cain. Cain's first son is called Enoch, lol.

Eviana:
I am only concerned about the Enoch of Genesis 5 who lived a Godly life and was translated.

Yes, there is this Enoch that lived a godly life and was teleported, but there is another Enoch, who was from Cain's lineage, who is a listed descendant from Cain.

Eviana, I can type more and go on for ever, but this so far, will do, lol. Na shooky and cute small, sweet and tasty stew be, lol.