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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Once Saved Always Saved Is Not A License To Sin by MuttleyLaff: 5:32am On Nov 20, 2019*

Harshirama:
Read to understand.

I just wished you had taken to this your prescribed advice and self medicated

Harshirama:
It was stated here they believed the gospel and were baptized in the holy ghost. It wasn't recorded that Nicodemus became born again when he came to Jesus.

Not so fast Jose, with your jumping on to "It was stated here they believed the gospel and were baptized in the holy ghost". Do you really think that, it wasn't recorded that Nicodemus was born again when he came to Jesus? Why don't you, let us both, go slowly but surely through John 3:2-3, to carefully examine the verses together, hmmm? Are you game, are you on? Have we a deal? Let's do it, complete with regard to every detail of John 3:2-3. Not doing it superficially or partially, we can extend it contextually too, because Jesus, beyond ohn 3:2-3 actually up the ante when discussing with Nicodemus. Of course, Jesus wasnt impressed with Nicodemus and He didnt hide this fact that He wasnt, lol

Harshirama:
Besides, what's your intention exactly?

The intention exactly for you to recognise what comment did Nicodemus make, as in meaning what was Nicodemus' intro question, the wording he used and then so, the reason, he gave, for coming up to have that clandestine meeting in the dead of the night or wee hours of the morning, he had with Jesus?.

Now my dear new found friend, after you've used John 3:2 to assist you in giving your answers to my above questions, then after, please explain to the best of your understanding, why and what for, did Jesus say "truly truly I tell you" and then began saying to Nicodemus "no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again" Why mentioning of "see"? How the "see" get introduced here? Is Jesus, saying, someone is seeing and/or someone can see the kingdom of God? Remember Jesus step up the gear, with moving from *seeing" to shifting to "entering"

Harshirama, did Nicodemus see anything? Was it that, Nicodemus had been hearing and/or seeing things ni? In that Jesus' John 3:3 comment, that has the first biblical mention of the term "born again," what did "born again" mean in that verse? What does "born again" signify and/or point to? What in the original text, is the original rendition of the the phrase "born again"?

Harshirama, discoveries can be made from mere asking of questions and advances, equally too, can be made from just answering such questions. I have the sense that you're spiritually mature enough, you're OK with being put under pressure, with how you're asked to give answers to probing questions, the such and/or each above, I've put to you.

Christianity Etc › Re: Do Man And Satan Have Immortality? by MuttleyLaff: 12:18am On Nov 20, 2019*

blueAgent:
It's obvious you don't know what a Soul is.
If you have read my thread on this topic you would have saved yourself the stress and time you spent on writting this crap meaning less a stuff you wrote here.

Ọgbẹni, if you have any regards for yourself my friend, you'll respect yourself, mind your language, your tone and watch that acid tongue of yours.

Now that you have been served and given an advanced warning, if you then still insist in continuing to toe the undisciplined line and your unbridled tongue with me, then I would have no choice than to expose you for what you are and from what I've noticed in all this.

Christianity Etc › Re: Do Man And Satan Have Immortality? by MuttleyLaff: 12:05am On Nov 20, 2019*

jcross19:
that even not the bone of contention here because I know you on the thread as person that talk out of the thread causing digression on the thread!

jcross19, you seem to conveniently forget that it was your digression with you introducing the mentioning of Moses and Elijah to the thread that led me pointing out to you, that the appearance of Moses and Elijah was a vision . This appearance of Moses and Elijah being a vision, you in a forceful, passionate and intense manner denied is the case. Do you remember that, you even went to the length of almost swearing by the Bible, that there is no record in the bible, and insisting it was a vision? Or have you conveniently erased all that from your memory ni? lol. So my dear friend, for your information, the bone of contention you were having and arguing with me, was that, Moses and Elijah's appearance, talking with Jesus, seen by James, John and Peter was not a vision, when in actual fact and truth, it was a vision, but you didnt believe me saying that, lol.

Ezekiel 25:17 (according to Pulp Fiction Jules):
"The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.
Blessed is he, who in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness,
for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children.
And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance
and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers.
And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee".

Again, I presume you're wise, so reloading, a word to the wise is enough, lol.

jcross19:
go and create thread then invite me I will be happy to welcome the invitation base on bible knowledge it seems you are lagging behind you need it!

As in whether or not, it is a vision of Moses and Elijah, Jesus in Matthew 17:9 has settled and put the matter to rest, so why should I be opening a thread, besides, as I've said, you arent someone to be taken seriously, and your credibility, the little that you had, has waned, all because of that conquering lie you forcefully passionately and intensely preferred to a liberating truth.

Look at the self-conceited you, worked up, feeling and thinking you're a storm, and so telling me, to go create a thread and then invite you, when all you are, is a pitiful, well below par, little rain and I am a hurricane. Coat and "babanriga agbada" nobi same age play-mates ooo. The nasal bridge, is far, is further away from the nose.

Christianity Etc › Re: Do Man And Satan Have Immortality? by MuttleyLaff: 11:32pm On Nov 19, 2019*

blueAgent:
See Bible skills.
Your explanation is laughable it sounds like a child learning to read and think.

"He said, In solemn truth I tell you that unless you turn and become like little children,
you will in no case be admitted into the Kingdom of the Heavens."
- Matthew 18:3

Thank you very much blueAgent. May God bless you very much and real big good, as I take out the sting from that "don't be such a jerk, behaving like a jackass" venom. Amen.

Christianity Etc › Re: Do Man And Satan Have Immortality? by MuttleyLaff: 10:47pm On Nov 19, 2019

jcross19:
I had your type in my secondary school days , lol they would wrote on a sheet of paper even requested for more sheets but funny you would later discovered they were the nincompoops in the class! you can write all the epistle but ask yourself are you making sense from what you are interpreting from the bible? I laugh again.

If you didnt know that the appearance of Moses and Elijah to Jesus, that Peter, James and John saw was a vision, then you're not worth to be taken serious.

Shame on you because you hadnt be careful to show yourself approved unto God. You're a workman that need to be ashamed, for wrongly dividing the word of truth about the nature of the appearance visitation of Elijah and Moses. You mishandled the truth and inaccurately told the narrative. You have and show no remorse. You dont regret trying to mislead and misinform the body of Christ and behaving like a total ignoranus.

I didnt write Matthew 17:9 or did I?. Right there in Matthew 17:9, is it that it is a vision, but here you are, blindly still arguing, even after showing and/or giving you the Bible evidence, smh.

Just be careful, because the next crab, you might want to try to pull down, could just be the one who will, square up to you, rip your claw off and beat the living daylights out of you with it, lol. I presume you're wise, so a word to the wise is enough

Christianity Etc › Re: Do Man And Satan Have Immortality? by MuttleyLaff: 10:10pm On Nov 19, 2019

jcross19:
you are nothing because I have dealt with you before and you ran away ! like what I have said Elijah and moses did not represent anything ! and they were spirits, I laugh in your ignorance that's making you look "naked" Let me correct you , them may see it as a vision but to Christ is never vision! by the way what do you know about things of the spirit! ordinary bible quotations you could not explained it, am wasting my time with a wit.

Are you now going to tell us that the Bible in Matthew 17:9 is lying because as far as you are concerned, what Peter, James and John saw about Elijah and Moses was not a vision, lol.

jcross19, I asked you to please explain what updating means, but you dodged the question, lol. What was it scaring you from admiting that, updating, means talking, talking as in, giving someone or somebody the latest information about something, lol. That's precisely what Moses, symbolising the Law and Elijah, symbolising the prophets were doing, talking with Jesus, lol.

Run jcross19, and go hide your face in shame. You have been found out, talking about things, you havent a clue about. How can you, in the face of evidence, say it wasnt a vision, lol. You make me laugh, doing gra-gra upandan the thread, huffing and puffing, behaving like a terror. Smh.

Christianity Etc › Re: Do Man And Satan Have Immortality? by MuttleyLaff: 9:53pm On Nov 19, 2019

jcross19:
Elijah did not represent anything sir! both of them came to pass a message to Christ sir!!!

MuttleyLaff:
I wouldn't have written what I wrote, if I didn't know nothing. I wouldn't have written what I wrote, if I did know anything about what I talked about. I stand by everything I wrote earlier, even if it means that I stand alone, and that I repeat is, what John, Peter and James, in Matthew 17:3 saw, of Elijah and Moses, was a vision, its nothing more, nothing less than that and the vision happened, to serve as a symbolism of handing over. In that vision, the inner caucus trio disciples witnessed, Elijah representing the prophets and Moses representing the Law, updating Jesus and then after giving over control and responsibility to Jesus, to forge ahead, go make a reality of and finish the redemptive work in a burst of power and might. Praise God. Alleluia

jcross19, please explain what updating means, from the above quote, or the excerpt from reproduced below :
"In that vision, the inner caucus trio disciples witnessed, Elijah representing the prophets and Moses representing the Law, updating Jesus"

jcross19:
mind you there is no where it's written that Jesus was seen a vision, their visit is never a vision sir!
if it was a vision, bible will state it as a vision.

"As they were coming down the mountain, Jesus instructed them,
“Do not tell anyone about this vision until the Son of Man has been raised from the dead."
- Matthew 17:9

Smh, jcross19, it is obvious you dont know who you're dealing with concerning this matter, you're trying to drag here. Look at you making a complete ignoranus of yourself.

Christianity Etc › Re: Do Man And Satan Have Immortality? by MuttleyLaff: 7:33pm On Nov 19, 2019*

jcross19:
you are tyro to that verses your quoted and you know nothing about it and what interpreted is never the meaning of that transfiguration!.

I wouldn't have written what I wrote, if I didn't know nothing. I wouldn't have written what I wrote, if I did know anything about what I talked about. I stand by everything I wrote earlier, even if it means that I stand alone, and that I repeat is, what John, Peter and James, in Matthew 17:3 saw, of Elijah and Moses, was a vision, its nothing more, nothing less than that and the vision happened, to serve as a symbolism of handing over. In that vision, the inner caucus trio disciples witnessed, Elijah representing the prophets and Moses representing the Law, updating Jesus and then after giving over control and responsibility to Jesus, to forge ahead, go make a reality of and finish the redemptive work in a burst of power and might. Praise God. Alleluia

jcross19, your problem is that, you're suffering from the "crab, pull other crab down" mentality. I know your types and know how your types behaves, this is why I am not bothered taking you to task on your "... now in some translation it was written as CONSOLE" comment that you pulled out of the rear end. Smh.

Why cant you just be happy, hmm? Why do you have to be ugly, bitter and antagonistic, erhn? Pulling someone down doesnt help anyone reach the top and sustain the height, so my dear nwanne jcross19, please stop the crab in a bucket mentality. Stop the díck comparison. Stop the how dare you attitude, stop the how can your díck be bigger and better than my díck mentality. Thank you.

Christianity Etc › Re: Do Man And Satan Have Immortality? by MuttleyLaff: 2:34pm On Nov 19, 2019

jcross19:
see this one oooooh huh! Elijah was teleported to somewhere else and died there by your own bible right the one you wrote in aba! bros! that's not what bible says about Elijah sir! and that of moses and Elijah seen by the three disciples , bible says they came to console Christ! and still remain one about that the rich man and the Lazarus! if there is no eternity Jesus will not let you know what happened to that rich man and Lazarus after death! read your bible let holy interpret it for you!

Did you not read in your Bible that it was a vision of Elijah and Moses that James, John and Peter saw ni? Console kor, computer sega games console ni. Even after I had earlier explained the significance and symbolism of the meeting of Elijah and Moses with Jesus, you're still talking of console, smh. Abeggy comot for road jor, allow beta pipul pass.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Book Of Enoch / Jesus Quoted It And So Did Apostles by MuttleyLaff: 11:55am On Nov 19, 2019

MuttleyLaff:
Who are you referring to as "Look at this one " erhn?

Why dont you grow the balls to go open a thread, mention and invite me to it, and see whether or not, I wont keep to my words of tearing you to shreds so much you'll be exposed huh?

Smh, what a confirmed, bonafide and sorry arsed already loser you are. You have to resort to dragging up dirt and fall on throwing mud just so to make something stick erhn? I guess you know when you are beat, thats why you opt for this strategy, hmm?

Let me give you a doggy bone, just to pacify you. It is because they are all and each in the Bible. They are supernatural events, not discredited and never denounced by anyone in the Bible. They occurred with God in the equation and/or God directly involved. The reverse engineering Book of Enoch fake news on steroid book, with its slander stories about angels, about 45 storey building high baby giant human beings, baby giant human beings with eyes that shine like sun rays and lighting up a room with sunlight rays coming from their eyes, etcetera is just what it is. Trash. Bullshit meant for the toilet.

The mention of Enoch by Jude and Peter is done for the only reason to lambast the ungodly perverting the Gospel with fantasy tales etcetera

The current three variants Book of Enoch, are not the same Book of Enoch peddled about in the first century that the Apostles were against and warning the early believers about it

I already have granted you my blessing, to go ahead relish enjoy reading that bullshit of a cursed book.

If you continue being mouthy and/or keep on asking me question(s), then please grow a pair and go open a thread, mention and invite me to it, so you can get the education you lack on Peter and Jude talking of the slanders and fables in the book of Enoch

You're scared now, because you know if you dare open the thread, mention and invite me to it, your illusion will be shattered and you will take a right good ol beating.

Don't allow anyone to deceive and mislead you. Jesus did not and never quoted any accursed book of Enoch. The Book of Enoch is a perfected work and good art of reverse engineering. You can take this info to the bank.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Once Saved Always Saved Is Not A License To Sin by MuttleyLaff: 9:19am On Nov 19, 2019

Harshirama:
Compare that verse to this

Now when they heard this, they were acutely distressed and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “What should we do, brothers?” Peter said to them, “Repent, and each one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
So those who accepted his message were baptized, and that day about three thousand people were added.
Acts 2:37-38, 41

We have moved from switching from real and unreal believer(s) to "born again" to now baptism of the Holy Spirit, abi? Make up your mind, which of the three, lol.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Once Saved Always Saved Is Not A License To Sin by MuttleyLaff: 7:33am On Nov 19, 2019*

Harshirama:
Judas wasn't a believer, none of the disciples were born again at that point. Remember Jesus died and resurrected and still had to explain the fulfilment of the scriptures to them after that. That was when they became born again

"Jesus replied,
"Truly, truly, I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again."
- John 3:3

Harshirama, since we seem to have switched from real and unreal believer(s) to now "born again", please tell, that is, I mean, factually speaking, what, according to Jesus and is in the Bible speaking, is and/or was Nicodemus born again to your understanding of reading that John 3:2-3?

Harshirama, also what was the comment made by Nicodemus, as in, what was his intro question and the reason, he gave, for coming up to the clandestine meeting in the dead of the night or wee hours of the morning, he had with Jesus?. Lastly, why is Jesus saying "truly truly I tell you" and talking about "no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again" to Nicodemus' John 3:2 blunt and opening remark, huh? I am sure, you're aware, that Jesus, always does this, He responds to what lies at the heart of something or somebody. Jesus in John 3:3, responded to what was in the heart of Nicodemus by telling Nicodemus that no one can see and confirm all that Nicodemus has said about Him and say that the miraculous signs are evidence that God is with Jesus except that person is born again. Isnt that so? Isnt that the words of Jesus and/or what He said about "born again", the phrase originally known as born from above or born from on high?

In fact, scoffers, mockers, cynics, pagans etcetera dont, never see and never will see anything good about the kingdom and that's because they are not born again, they are not born from above, and so are not spiritually rebirthed. It's more the reason, we have atheists, it is because regeneration has not taken place in them and this why they rubbish and/or never want to acknowledge any demonstrations or power of the kingdom of God. They dont believe who Jesus is, that He is God and that the miraculous signs are evidence that God is with Jesus

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Once Saved Always Saved Is Not A License To Sin by MuttleyLaff: 6:50am On Nov 19, 2019

content208:
Oga, you lose eternal life if you take God's salvation for granted. You can't be in sin and expect that you will make heaven, especially if you are commiting wilful sin.

Confessing Christ as Lord with mouth is not enough; you must also do his will.

"¹¹I will no longer be in the world, but they are in the world, and I am coming to You. Holy Father, protect them by Your name, the name You gave Me, so that they may be one as We are one.
¹²While I was with them, I protected and preserved them by Your name, the name You gave Me. Not one of them has been lost, except the son of destruction, so that the Scripture would be fulfilled. "
- John 17:11-12

alBHAGDADI:
If one could lose the eternal life God gave him, then was it ever eternal at all? Or don't you know the meaning of eternal life?

Eternal life is life that never ends. God's says we have it which we got due to believe in Jesus. If we could lose it, meaning it ended, then God lied when he said he gave us eternal life. That's the falsehood you are propagating.

Your lack of the Holy Spirit [s]has made you even reason like an illiterate in that[/s] you couldn't understand what eternal life means.

"Truly, truly, I tell you, whoever hears My word and believes Him who sent Me has eternal life and will not come under judgment. Indeed, he has crossed over from death to life."
- John 5:24

alBHAGDADI, what is the correlation between eternal life and everlasting life? Is there any distinction or difference between eternal life and everlasting life?
Isnt eternal life, something that has to do with spiritual existence after death of the body, as in meaning, continued life after death, hmm? Now if God promises one and all everlasting life, when and how does the "will not come under judgment" disclaimer strays in, to deny, disqualify, deprive, rule or knock one out of the promised eternal life and/or everlasting life?

content208:
If we claim to have fellowship with him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live out the truth.

1John 1:6.
The real believer is not he who just confesses, but he who confessed and does God's will.

You stop believing in your heart the moment you dabble in willful sin

alBHAGDADI:
Do you even know what the will of God truly is? Perhaps you think it's dos and don'ts. .

Look, the will of God is to believe in Jesus. Nothing more, nothing less.

John 6:40
And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

alBHAGDADI, What kind of believer was Judas? Or did Judas, not at all, believed in Jesus? Did Judas never and not for a moment ever believed in Jesus? Did Judas at no time believed in Jesus?

content208, I am sure is of the opinion that Judas was not a real believer, do you say same alBHAGDADI? Let me, before you start labelling me, as reasoning like a biblical illiterate, quickly say, I am just curious and only was asking ni ooo, lol.
cc Bnimz

Christianity Etc › Re: Do Man And Satan Have Immortality? by MuttleyLaff: 4:36am On Nov 19, 2019*

blueAgent:
What do you think is the Soul?

"Guard your heart above all else,
for it determines the course of your life
(i.e. for everything you do flows from the heart)"
- Proverbs 4:23

"The good man brings good things out of the good treasure of his heart,
and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil treasure of his heart.
For out of the overflow of the heart, the mouth speaks"
- Luke 6:45

blueAgent, I am 110% sure you'll agree and accept that, it is the Soul that is saved even Ezekiel 18:20 emphatically states that: "The soul that sinneth, it shall die.", it doesnt say its the Body or the Spirit. Now, the heart is used by the Soul but the heart definitely is not the Spirit

Let me slip this bit in, first, as a preamble. Proverbs 4:23 and Luke 6:45 above, informs us that, it's out of the abundance of the heart first, then processed in the brain or mind, before the mouth speaks. All evil intents comes forth out of the heart, as in, the heart housed in the human Body. Mark 7:21-22, paints a picture of the heart with the following: "For from within the hearts of men come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, wickedness, deceit, debauchery, envy, slander, arrogance, and foolishness" and Jeremiah 17:9 doesnt paint the heart in good light either, as it says: "The human heart is the most deceitful of all things, and desperately wicked. Who really knows how bad it is?"

Incidentally, the verse, Psalms 51:10, informatively tells us, that the heart is linked with the mind, which is part of the Soul. The same Soul or psyche uses the heart as an outlet, to pass out or pass in things, from the Body and/or Spirit via the heart in the Soul. I'll soon below explain how it does this and/or how this works

What is man?
"And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground,
and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."
- Genesis 2:7

"For the Spirit of God has made me,
and the breath of the Almighty gives me life."
- Job 33:4

Man is a spirit being, residing or housed in a Body and possessing a Soul (i.e. a psyche). In fact, Man is made up of Body, Soul and Spirit. As a matter of fact, the Soul or psyche, has the Body and Spirit on each opposite sides of it. In a nutshell, Man essentially, is a spirit being with a Soul, housed, encapsulated, and/or wrapped up, in a human being body suit.

Genesis 2:7 and Job 33:4 above, informs us, its "ruach" the Spirit from God and "neshamah" that keeps the human body animated.

Now blueAgent, please dont try to mix up "ruach" and "neshamah" with ordinary and/or commonplace spirits, as in meaning, dont try to mix up the Spirit of God and the breath or wind of God, with extraterrestrial beings, which is what evil and good spirits are.

Fyi, "ruach", in Hebrew, with its corresponding Greek word "pneuma" essentially and in an almost oversimplified way means force. It is breath, wind, spirit of God, all rolled in as one thing. It in a sense, is the invisible force or power of God, hence why being perceived as a Spirit, so yes, "ruach" is the Spirit of God. In fact you wont wrong in saying that "ruach" or "Ha Ruach Ha Kodesh" is the Holy Spirit, as in, the Spirit of God.

You can see both "ruach" and "neshamah" being interplayed in the creation of man from Genesis 2:7 reproduced above, and as a witness plus as a supporting verse, Job 33:4 you see reproduced above, confirms, by testifying, that, its "ruach" that made man and it is "neshamah" that gives man life

"Neshamah", incidentally, is actually derived from another Hebrew word called "nasham" that means to pant and/or blow away with air, now, when the spirit, as in, meaning, "neshamah", the breath, returns back to God, the Body slumps and the Soul goes into comatose. This looks and feels, similar to a TV animated cartoon changed and turned into a cartoon strip character, on a comic book or magazine paper. TV animated cartoon characters moves, but cartoon strip character, on a comic book or magazine paper dont move like animated cartoon characters watched on TV screens. For the life of the body is in the blood and the life of the soul is in the spirit. When the spirit leaves the body, it returns back to God, leaving the body inanimate, meaning leaves it motionless and lifeless, as in, without life or no more with life. Ecclesiastes 12:7

"Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was:
and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it."
- Ecclesiastes 12:7

Now, moving further on, the Spirit and Soul have different faculties, where the faculties of the spirit, comprises of Fellowship, Conscience, Discernment or Intuition, while the faculties of the Soul are made up of the Mind (i.e. consciousness and sub consciousness) or Intellect, Will or Freewill, and Emotions. The Body is not left out, it has 5 faculties of senses, and these are, sight, as in to see via the eyes, hearing, as in hear via the ears, touch, as in, feel via applicable part of the body, smell, as in, perceive via the nose and last but not the least, taste, as in, sense with the mouth.

The Body is worldly conscious and relates to the environment and its surroundings, the Soul is self conscious and relates to self & other people and the Spirit is God conscious and relates to God. After the death of the Body, the Soul without God, without any affinity with God, cant achieve or have eternal life

Now, remember blueAgent, that your question was: "What do I think is the Soul?" Well, my intro response is, the Soul, biblically speaking, is the most important existence of Man and that is why the battle is and always has been about and over the Soul. All attacks, are ultimately targeted at and for the Soul. Now, getting started proper, the Soul is the first medium key component of Man created by God and Man is tickled and accessed through this same Soul, by way of the Body and Spirit. The Soul, as a matter of fact and in effect, is the mediator between the Body and Spirit. The Soul uses the heart, as the point from where issues are sent out and/or distributed from.

Let me elaborate and explain a bit how everything works, the different faculties in the Soul waits, to pick up signals coming from the relevant and/or applicable faculties in the Body and the Spirit. This crucial bit of information here, is very important to grasp, and it is that, the Soul receives from the Body and deposits into the Spirit. Whatever the Body reads or sees via the eyes, hears via the ears, feels via applicable part of the body, smells via the nose and talks or tastes via the mouth is picked up by the Soul and deposited into the Spirit. The Spirit then, upon receiving these things from the Soul, has to deal with or process what the Soul has deposited into the Spirit's laps.

Fya blueAgent, please note, anywhere in the post you see "Spirit", unless it is stated otherwise, take it, to mean, as in, spirit-man, and not the Holy Spirit or Spirit of God. Thank you

Now, this here, is why regulation is very important. It is why we ought to control and oversee what the Soul is picking up from or what it is picking up with the senses. If you have to by all means, eat the chicken or fish, then its necessary to know when and how to spit out the bones, or if it's straw to eat, then know when and how to spit out the sticks, alternatively, if it's liquor to drink, and you cant hold it down so you don't throw it up, then know how or when to stay away from the liquor. Caveat emptor clause #1 done.

The devil has no power over anyone, except if such person, is in the dark, dabbling in the dark or is ignorant, so I'll advise the curious to distance themselves from dabbling into the dark, to save themselves from misery, but if hellbent on dining with the devil, then make sure you've got a long spoon to dine and eat with. Caveat emptor clause #2 done.

Resuming and back on track, now, if the Soul picks up an interaction, info, instruction, message, communication, issue etcetera from the Body, it cant interpret, then the deposit the Soul received from the Body and put into the Spirit will be unfruitful then (i.e. remember the red emboldened above hmm?) The thing here, is that, the Spirit, by the God design, knows what it expects from the Soul for positive fruition to be possible but the Soul has received from the Body something it doesnt via the Mind or Intellect understand or know about. Wahala don begin to gas be dat ooo. Now, just as in the physical, when the stomach growls, making noises for food, when nourishing is long overdue, so it is spiritually, the Spirit, intercedes for us through wordless and noiseless groans for substances necessary for growth, health and good condition

The Soul, as a conduit, a vent hole determines what the Spirit receives, but if the Soul is transferring the wrong expectations (e.g. like not praying right, not asking right, not the will of God etctera) then the Spirit, does the wordless groans. It does this because the spirit-man knows what should be prayed for, so it becomes restless with wordless groans, when the expectation(s) is not forthcoming or not in sight. The Spirit, as in, the spirit-man, is like saying: Hey Mr Soul, where are the goods I am expecting, please dont feed me with trash, junk and any of all these ungodly razzmatazz stuffs. So since the Spirit, is capable of asking and telling the Soul what it needs, the Soul just has to return back to the Body to honour the request and be asking the Body for correct or "kosher" stuff and not the crap its received

Now, if it is one of those classic cases of the Spirit, is willing BUT the Body is weak, then the Body many times will REFUSE the Soul the request of the Spirit, and here we have a typical case of struggle or power tussle going on in the Soul involving the Body and the Spirit
The Spirit , knows what it needs the Soul giving it from the Body (i.e. the Spirit tells the Soul what to do, expecting the Soul to relay this information request to the Body) but the Body, many times, is not ready or prepared to act in accordance with the wish or command of the Spirit, by giving or offering it to the Soul for the Spirit.

There is a rule, that the Spirit, cannot give to the Body righteous things it didnt receives from the Soul. Hmm, I perceive someone's going to trip at this point, so OK, here is the clarification to ward off any confusion:
The Soul passes on all righteous things it receives from the Body, if the seed is able to bear fruit and is meaningful when the Spirit receives it, the Spirit, will then fertilise the ''seed'' and return it back to the Body, via the Soul, bumper harvest fruitfully. Call it positive and welcome payback, if you like.

So, in effect, the Soul feeds the Spirit, and the Soul receives from the Spirit, to feed the Body. This is the reason, why if your mind (i.e. Soul) doesnt understand something OR anything, it would be unable to interpret, to then, successfully feed the Spirit or the Body.

blueAgent, do you ever recoil back, when watching something gruesome happening in real life or maybe just on a TV screen slash internet, as in, like in a horror film or something? If you do, well that's your spirit, as in your spirit-man, not wanting to be needlessly grieved. Sometimes, you have to protect the gateway to your spirit-man because you might not necessarily want to relive or remember that moment, so you block any avenue, contact or link to that thing happening or going on at that moment of time. What is happening here, is you preventing your spirit-man from being fed with junk. You are protecting your heart and shielding it from receiving and/or taking in from junk. You are blocking the faculties from transferring junk to the Soul via the heart.

"Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health,
even as thy soul prospereth"
- 3 John 1:2

As seen in 3 John 1:2 above, the Soul (i.e. the Mind (i.e. conscious and sub conscious) or Intellect, Will or Freewill, and Emotions) tops it all. Of course, the ability of the Soul to prosper or be held back to any degree, is dependent on the Spirit, getting the right detail, at which to relay back to the Body via the Soul at a latter date, future or time, as and when needed.

This is another God design, quest for quality GIGO and QIQO system set-up. GIGO is an ancroymn for "Garbage in, Garbage out" and QIQO is an ancroymn for "Quality in, Quality out" If the Soul sends in shiit to the Spirit, the Soul gets shiit back from the Spirit. It just implies that bad input by the Soul will result in bad output in return, sent back from the Spirit to the Soul. Ultimately too, the Body, at the receiving end of it all, gets the flawed and nonsense input data from the Soul, this comes by nonsense output garbage obtained from the Spirit that originally and in first place was sent in from the Soul coming from one or more of the Body's faculties (e.g. eyes, ears, touch, mouth, smell)

blueAgent:
and if what goes to Heaven or Hell is the soul then why do we have a resurrection?

"For You will not abandon my soul to Sheol; Nor will You allow Your Holy One to undergo decay."
- Psalm 16:10

blueAgent, you're too heavy to want to fall for my hand now, please dont. Biko, jor abeg. The soul of Jesus, not being left in Sheol, aka hell/hades, is King David's Psalm 16:10 prophecy being fulfilled. Everything written about Jesus, in the Law of Moses, the Prophets, and the Psalms were each and every one fulfilled, and so we have it that the soul of Jesus was not abandoned in Sheol nor His body decayed. Praise God. Alleluia.

Now, blueAgent, when our Lord Jesus Christ resurrected, He resurrected with a glorified body. Need I go on, need I say more, if not, then I rest my case then.

After the death of the Body, the Soul without God, without any affinity with God, cant achieve or have eternal life

I guess blueAgent that you'll agree that the devil and demons are souless, meaning they have no soul. Now, the reason why the devil and the demons are inredeemable is because of the fact that they have no souls. The devil and the demons, are not able to be saved, be improved, or be corrected because of the mere fact that they lack a soul. The devil and the demons, to start with, unlike human beings, havent got diddly squat souls to make better, to make more desirable, satisfactory and/or effective.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Do Man And Satan Have Immortality? by MuttleyLaff: 4:31am On Nov 19, 2019*

Janosky:
* Food for your thoughts***

*Response to your Questions
(*Q1 and Q3)Pls. can you share with us from your Bible the Lazarus narrative of his blissful heavenly experience after his resurrection?

Q2) John3:13, is Jesus Christ a liar?

What is the name of the rich man?
** What's the reason why your Bible headlines it as "Parable of the rich man and Lazarus"? Pls think !!!!

jcross19:
I still laugh well is not your fault because you read Bible like a book and interpret it as it suits you! lol can you see what we are saying now in that john 3:13 then that mean Elijah was hang in the sky abi where did Elijah goes? ahaahaha! can you remember Jesus transfiguration on mountain with Elijah and Moses where did they come from?.I laugh again! Jesus will not make use what that does not exist to set as example brother! Jesus knew there is life after death and which is immortality, that's for spirit. now let me coach that immortality that we lost in the garden God want man kind to experience it on earth but we have lost it.

Go and sit down jor. Mr Coach, fyi, Elijah was teleported, as in, got translated elsewhere, then like every other human being died.

The next fyi for you Mr Coach, is that, what John, Peter and James, in Matthew 17:3 saw, of Elijah and Moses, was a vision, its nothing more, nothing less than that and the vision happened, to serve as a symbolism of handing over. In that vision, the inner caucus trio disciples witnessed, Elijah representing the prophets and Moses representing the Law, updating Jesus and then after giving over control and responsibility to Jesus, to forge ahead, go make a reality of and finish the redemptive work in a burst of power and might.

Christianity Etc › Re: Do Man And Satan Have Immortality? by MuttleyLaff: 9:09am On Nov 18, 2019*

kumulus:
Again I say, re-examine your submissions. Forever only means one, for ever! You gave examples like Samuel, Solomon's temple et all.....your narrative are quite misleading for the unsuspecting...... I'll only admonish you to preach the message of Christ. Blessings!
-Lloyd

kumulus or Lloyd, what's it your name is, I dislike when people dey chop meat for mouth, dey make am disappear, and begin to wipe clean mouth as if they nefa chop meat for mouth at all. Explain how and where blueAgent narrative, allegedly is quite misleading for the unsuspecting now. Pull and bring out his exact words, let's all together re-examine it now. Let's both contextually, look at what, how and why blueAgent wrote about forever.

Of course, forever, could mean only once, for ever, as in meaning a destruction could continue endlessly, just like as the small valley burning refuse dump, Gehenna, in Jerusalem burns endlessly.

Talking of Gehenna, it was the incinerating refuse dump in Jerusalem. Well, we both know, it is a valley, a valley in Jerusalem, used as a dumping refuse site and so was used by Jesus to depict the Lake of fire (i.e. it is a place of destruction, as in, via incineration, a place for destroying things)

Grave/tomb/sepulchre sites are merely places of deposit for a corpse. Sheol is the realm of the dead or departed souls - Souls do not linger in the air. Souls do not stay in limbo. Souls do not hang about. Souls do not make revisits

Until Jesus in the NT, Sheol in general, without necessarily distinguishing between righteous or unrighteous souls, has been the realm of the dead or abode of the dead

We have verses in OT (e.g. Psalm 9:17 etcetera) suggesting that the wicked go to Sheol but it was Jesus in the NT that brought things into perspective when he shared the hyperbolic illustration of Sheol with the story of the Rich Man being elsewhere and Abraham with the Poor Man being on a different side

Remember just like because you're telling a joke, it doesnt necessarily mean, the joke is devoid of some element of truth and reality, so is the case with the parable of the unnamed rich man and beggar poor man. Lazarus

Sheol (i.e. the original Hebrew concept of afterlife) now has gray lines shared with Gehenna (i.e. the refuse dump in Jerusalem hyperbolically referred to by Jesus in Matthew 5:29 Matthew 18:9 and Mark 9:47) and Hell (i.e. a Greek mythology and Greek concept of afterlife) which arent really understood

The etymology of afterlife from a Jewish concept (i.e. Sheol, with 2 sections) has changed over time and Sheol, since, has being interchangeably replaced with Gehenna and/or Hell/Hades

As a matter of fact(s), hell which has become synonymous with Hades, is neither Hebrew or Greek in origin. Sheol is, what you'll find in the original Hebrew text for any word for Hell. In other places, Hades or Hell was the Greek substitution for the part of Sheol where the Rich man is kept, from the Parable of the Rich Man and beggar poor man Lazarus

As a matter of fact, Hell, actually finds it roots in the classic Greek mythology, Hades, where Hades interestingly and actually, was the ancient Greek god of the underworld. This god's name (i.e. Hades) later turned to mean the place or abode of the dead, which actually is exactly what Sheol is, what is signifies or represents.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Do Man And Satan Have Immortality? by MuttleyLaff: 4:24am On Nov 18, 2019*

blueAgent:
Heaven or Hell is real.
What I wrote and mean is that Man does not have Immortality inherently as taught by preachers, rather according to the word of God man can only gain Immortality through faith and trust in Christ the son of God.
Man's spirit which can mean his thoughts, will, zeal, mind or the breathe of God in his nostrils does not live after a ma, the under below emboldened two.n dies.

the spirit or breathe from God is a force like electricity, it only powers the body just like electricity powers a radio or TV set. but it cannot exist independently on it's own just like electricity on it's own cannot think, reason, eat or do anything except to power an appliance.

I was about going to order a chilled bottle of orijin plus a truckload of kolanuts for you, but then you dropped a clanger next with the under below emboldened and/or underlined text.

blueAgent:
I understand your confusion you seem to believe the lie that the Soul or spirit of man is what goes to Heaven or Hell.
That's not true, all this false teachings were brought into Christaintity by pagans.
The truth is, it is our bodies that go to Heaven or Hell and not some imaginary soul or spirit.

I will take time to explain all.

Here is where you began to introduce your confusion and unawareness of facts.

kumulus:
Bro you're confusing the lot....please re-examine your submissions.

I noticed it too, and your observation here, forced me to make the comment I've just done here.

blueAgent:
What is there you don't understand?

Someone asked me how the word forever is applied in the Bible and I gave him examples of incidents were forever was applied but not in a literal sense.

... and your response and delivery as regards what "forever" means in the related verse(s) was spot on

blueAgent:
How are you confused?

I was enjoying and liking your each of your posts until when scrolling upwards, I bumped into you confusing yourself that already decayed and/or decomposed human being bodies will make heaven or the lake of fire,. You actually typed that its a lie that the Soul or spirit of man is what goes to Heaven or Hell. I balked at that point in time, and said to myself, blueAgent at this point, YOYO, as in meaning, blueAgent you're on your own, lol.

All the interested parties are after, is the soul of man. God is in the business of paid the price for human souls and the devil equally, is so much interested in human souls too, lol. It really somewhat looks like, it is a race to the end, for the souls of man, lol

Matthew 10:28 states "Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Instead, fear the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell." The "body in hell" in that verse applies to the bodies that havent gone through the state or process of rotting or decomposition and become dust, through the action of bacteria, fungi, ants etcetera, lol.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Once Saved Always Saved Is Not A License To Sin by MuttleyLaff: 3:37am On Nov 18, 2019

alBHAGDADI:
~~What's wrong with you both?~~

[s]I already told you that a Christian can't descend low to the level of committing suicide, same way a Christian can't be possessed with demons. This is because he has the Holy Spirit in him. So, there's no point even making assumptions of "what if".

There's no "what if" because God won't allow his children descend low to that level. Mention one child of God that committed suicide in the Bible. You won't find any. But we have Judas who was a devil. He killed himself. He sold Jesus while Peter denied Jesus. Both men committed horrible sins against Jesus. How come Peter didn't kill himself like Judas did? Peter didn't do so because God was protecting him

Luke 22:31-32 (KJV)
31 And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat:
32 But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.

Until you show me an instance of a child of God in the Bible who killed himself, this your assumption of "what if" is just an assumption that can never happen and not worth even threading upon. You have no biblical instance to back up a notion that a Christian or child of God can commit suicide. So why do you expect me to start arguing on what the Bible doesn't support or show to be likely?

Before you start citing instances wrongly, let me explain certain things to you. Saul committed suicide because the Holy Spirit left him. Back then the Holy Spirit just use to descend on God's anointed e.g prophets, kings. God had to promise that he will pour his spirit on all flesh later on which Peter confirmed.

Joel 2:28-32 King James Version (KJV)
And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

Acts 2:15-21 King James Version (KJV)
For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.
But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

Today, he dwells in us forever and has sealed us unto Jesus comes to redeem us.

Ephesians 4:30
“And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.”

Saul was rejected by God because he was disobedient. The Holy Spirit left him because his duty was not to seal him like we are sealed. Same thing with Samson.

1 Samuel 16:14
But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him.

Judges 16:20
And she said, The Philistines be upon thee, Samson. And he awoke out of his sleep, and said, I will go out as at other times before, and shake myself. And he wist not that the LORD was departed from him.[/s]

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What does it take, without prevaricating, to just answer the Bnimz easy, simple, direct and straightforward question, hmm? Is it that difficult to just respond to the question without trying to put a spin on your answer, hmm?

The resurfaced question again alBHAGDADI was, if a Christian who is saved and truly believes falls upon hard times, becomes depressed and commits suicide, where is the person going? Heaven or Hell? Stick to the question under purview. Stick to the limit set by the questioner. Your answer should be heaven, hell or I dont know/I am certain it isnt either/I cant tell/I have no comment. Dont give explanations until when or if asked.

This is not a "what if" but is a simply "if" question. Your flaky and/or dodgy theology is finding you out, thats why you're beating about the bush, being non-committal and dodging coming straight to answering the simple and straightforward question.

You hide below unsolicited long winded epistles and under haystack bundles of unnecessary and/or divergent loads of words, so as to avoid committing yourself to correctly answer the question. Smh.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Once Saved Always Saved Is Not A License To Sin by MuttleyLaff: 10:50pm On Nov 17, 2019

Bnimz:
if a Christian who is saved and truly believes falls upon hard times, becomes depressed and commits Suicide, where is the person going?
Heaven or Hell?

In the definitive? Only God knows.

jclassiq:
This albaghdadi shouldn't be taken seriously because he is dabbling into a territory that he is not conversant with. People who aren't serious with their heavenly race will always look for the easiest way out. They device cheap means to console themselves. But God is not mocked. The real worshippers will be revealed on that last when everything shall be tested by the fire.

alBHAGDADI:
A Christian who has the Holy Spirit in him can't commit suicide nor become depressed. That's because the Holy Spirit which God has given us is not a spirit of fear but of sound mind.
2 Timothy 1:7 (KJV)
For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.
Take a look at the fruit of the spirit which will be displayed in the life of a Christian which can never make him depressed nor commit suicide.
Galatians 5:22-23 (KJV)
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

What does it take to answer that Bnimz easy, simple, direct and straightforward question, hmm?

The question was, if a Christian who is saved and truly believes falls upon hard times, becomes depressed and commits suicide, where is the person going? Heaven or Hell?

We do know that God takes away his Holy Spirit and also that God's spirit does leave or departs from people, so alBHAGDADI talking about a Christian who has the Holy Spirit in him/her is irrelevant to giving an outright answer to the Bnimz question. Smh.

Christianity Etc › Re: "Samson And Delilah" by MuttleyLaff: 10:01pm On Nov 17, 2019

Bodydialect57:
Jesus ke? He was an exception biko

"When the woman saw that the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eyes,
and that it was desirable for obtaining wisdom, she took the fruit and ate it.
She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it."
- Genesis 3:6

"And Jesus said to her,
“Woman, what does this have to do with me? My hour has not yet come.”"
- John 2:4

Leap frog to Mary and Jesus, in John 2:4 as seen above, and where at, Jesus said to His mother Mary, the following words "Woman, what does that have to do with us? My hour has not yet come.""

Adam, like Jesus in John 2:4 above did, when the mumu button was pushed and/or pressed, should have just told the woman, Eve, his wife, that the hour has not come and then refuse, in addition to then just to sit the remaining last hour out, not mumu eat the fruit.

Jesus ke? Yes, Jesus was no exception to the rule(s) ojaare. Jesus, despite being God in flesh, was subjected to all and/or went through every human frailty. He was not exempted from the rule(s)

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Christianity Etc › Re: "Samson And Delilah" by MuttleyLaff: 9:25pm On Nov 17, 2019

Bodydialect57:
Eeya, e pele

All men have the God designed mumu button, from Adam, Abraham, Samson, King David, Solomon etcetera and even Jesus, as usual was no exception to this rule, as like other rules and He wasnt immune from having His button pushed/pressed either.

Christianity Etc › Re: "Samson And Delilah" by MuttleyLaff: 9:09pm On Nov 17, 2019

Bodydialect57:

I've lost count of when I know that Mrs MuttleyLaff had pressed my mumu button for me to have done that thing I ordinarily and usually wouldnt have done. C'est la vie, that is life, such is life.

Christianity Etc › Re: "Samson And Delilah" by MuttleyLaff: 8:59pm On Nov 17, 2019

Bodydialect57:
Mumu button ke? Where that one dey?

You sabi how to chop meat finish, wipe clean mouth as if nothing at all has been eaten sha. Hmm, I do attention sir, salute una ma'am. Daddy knows, how you mummy, presses his mumu button, he just sometimes pretends he isnt aware and plays along with you. God is not against mumu buttons, but only that they dont get misused, abused and/or disused. Mumu buttons makes the world go round, lol.

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Christianity Etc › Re: "Samson And Delilah" by MuttleyLaff: 8:44pm On Nov 17, 2019

jcross19:
now let me start from where Delilah asked her about secret of his power and Samson knew quite alright the danger that surrounded him,now the story teller made us to know Delilah asked Samson three consecutive times and each time the enemy will ambushed him that suppose to tell Samson that Delilah is trying to get him, Mr zombie claiming the strongest still fall for it that's why is a zombie.

Oh I see. I get where you are coming from now.

jcross19, I am sure when Mrs jcross19 presses your mumu button, you too start doing the Mr Zombie styling thing, though you first form the strongest, head of the family etcetera before your mumu button was pushed or pressed. Ask father Adam, he knows all about Mr Zombie and the mumu button.

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Christianity Etc › Re: "Samson And Delilah" by MuttleyLaff: 8:16pm On Nov 17, 2019

jcross19:
that story is most ridiculous in the Bible! whenever I read that story I just laugh! is either the story teller lied there or Samson was an slowpoke!

Explain how the story is most ridiculous in the Bible, your reasons for saying the story teller lied there and why you believe that Samson was an imbẹcile

Christianity Etc › Re: "Samson And Delilah" by MuttleyLaff: 8:06pm On Nov 17, 2019

HedwigesMaduro:
You skipped the part where it was stated that it was God that was pushing him in that direction.

God did not push him into the direction and/or warm embrace of Delilah

Christianity Etc › Re: "Samson And Delilah" by MuttleyLaff: 7:47pm On Nov 17, 2019

solite3:
The sad story of a man who fell into the arms of a strange woman.

"¹One day Samson went down to Timnah, where he saw a young Philistine woman.
²So he returned and told his father and his mother, “I have seen a daughter of the Philistines in Timnah. Now get her for me as a wife.”
³But his father and mother replied, “Can’t you find a young woman among your relatives or among any of our people? Must you go to the uncircumcised Philistines to get a wife?”
But Samson told his father, “Get her for me, for she is pleasing to my eyes."
- Judges 14:1-3

The strange story of a determined man, who always had a strong and/or habitual liking for strange women. He open eyed, walked directly into a ditch because of the last of the strange women.

Celebrities › Re: Ned Nwoko And His Beautiful Moroccan Wife Having A Good Time by MuttleyLaff: 7:04pm On Nov 17, 2019

OladimejiRufai:
Nairalanders are talented in names mixing.
which other one abeg

Israeljones:
Wow wow.....This man Omockery is just what he has always bin...A Typical Dunce....

MoIbrahim:
Rhino Omokirikiri

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Was The Book Of Enoch Removed From The Bible? by MuttleyLaff: 5:23pm On Nov 17, 2019*

PrincewithGod:
God in His omniscience has designed the Bible to come to us the way it is and in His omnipotence has used whatever council or group of persons or person to bring it to us the way it is. If it was His will for all these books to be included in His Bible, He would have allowed them to be included. It will be kind of trying to overreach ourselves when we go after those books.

PrincewithGod dont mind the self-proclaimed unbeliever who somehow also claims to serve Jesus Christ, the syncretist who mixes Christianity with Eastern religions, and the other established liars.

There are 80 books, in the 1611 first version of King James Bible, 39 in the Old Testament, 14 in the Apocrypha and 27 in the New Testament.
The difference between the 1611 first version of King James Bible and its successor(s) is the 14 books in the Apocrypha.

No matter how hard this one, a tool, in the devil's workshop, is trying to lead unsuspecting believers, up the garden path, to deceive them, by making them believe something which is not true, it is appropriate, the duty and responsibility of believers, sons and daughters of the Living Almighty God, the concerned and interested all, to know that, by divine prudence and just providence God did not then permit that accursed book of Enoch to feature in the Apocrypha section of the 1611 first version of King James Bible and neither did God permit the distasteful and abominable, same accursed book of Enoch to feature in the 1611 first version of King James Bible successor Bible versions.

If the accursed book of Enoch, is truly that revered and if it really, is a book that commands respect and honour, why isnt it, even if its just the once and only time, is it not directly mentioned anywhere in the Bible. Why is the accursed book of Enoch never featured in any other many Bible translation versions? Others books were, even the beloved Book of Jasher, the original Book of Jasher I mean here, is mentioned, it is mentioned even at least twice in the Bible but the alleged high and mighty, the accursed book of Enoch is missing being mentioned. The accursed book of Enoch is an outcast. Nobody dared directly mention it with their lips, talkess let it be, in a way, that is visible to the eye, be seen written out, in black ink on the Bible's white. This is an indictment, that at the very least, the book of Enoch, truly and really, is an accursed book.

The accursed book of Enoch, isnt even able to, doesnt even manage to make it into the 1611 first version of King James Bible's Apocrypha. The First and Second Book of Esdras, Tobit, Judith, The Rest of the Chapters of the Book of Esther, The Wisdom of Solomon, The Wisdom of Jesus the son of Sirach or Ecclesiasticus, Baruch and the Epistle of Jeremy, Song of the Three Children, Story of Susanna and the Elders, The Idol Bel and the Dragon, Prayer of Manasses, and The First & Second Book of the Maccabees, all made it into the Apocrypha hall of fame but the biblical pariah, the accursed book of Enoch is MIA, missing in action, the accursed book of Enoch is AWOL, absent without leave. The accursed book of Enoch is nowhere to be found in the pasted here, scanned table of content book names, from the originally published 1611 first version of King James Bible ('He' version)

No one should be surprised that fraudulent books, like the book of Enoch, is deprived of high opinion, respect and honour and never given the courtesy of mentioning of the word "Book of Enoch" anywhere in the Bible. There is no official approval or recognition of the Book of Enoch and so unlike other books like it, it gets no mention whatsover anywhere in the Old Testament and New Testament. It also doesnt get featured as a book in any bible ever, except for in the Orthodox Ethiopian Church Ethiopic Bible version and/or Eritrean canon

The Eritrean and Ethiopian Orthodox Church allows all sorts of riff raff books like the accursed book of Enoch, just for the fun of it, and to go down the rabbit hole with them, not minding the devil in the details, lol.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Was The Book Of Enoch Removed From The Bible? by MuttleyLaff: 1:21pm On Nov 17, 2019*

Empiree:
no Muslim faction believe Jesus is God

Good for the no Muslim faction, believe Jesus is God, but IDGAF nor do I care whether or not, any Muslim faction and/or sects believes that Jesus is God. You didnt see me go price "do Muslims believe Jesus is God" market, or did you? It is you who uninvitedly came to this thread to introduce and/or question the God divine nature of Jesus, when what is being argued and discussed on the thread is, the book of Enoch and why its not found in the complied bible. Like seriously, you're a sheer public nuisance, with all your thread off-topic nonsense, you keep posting.

Anyway, you've bitten more than you can chew, you priced and bought market from the wrong customer, when you began questioning the truthfulness and disputing the veracity of the supernatural identity of Jesus Christ being God, with me.

Empiree:
No Muslim faction believe Muhammad is God.

It will be blasphemy anyway, if any Muslim faction should ever believe that Muhammad is God. God forbid. Nauzubillah, as you, our fellow Muslim brothers and sisters, fondly would say, lol, isnt it?

Empiree:
No Muslim faction believe Jesus is God and man at the same time. Differences within factions amongst Muslims are something far less important not this major creed. You have a lot to learn, buddy.

If it makes you feel good about yourself, then be my guest, and hide behind ".. you have a lot to learn, buddy."
I stand by my previous comment, that our Muslim brothers have sects in Islam, and this all down to having differences in beliefs etcetera. Just as with ekklesia, our muslim brothers, too, are not immune from differing in what they believe in

Empiree:
if you die on this belief, you really stand no chance of eternal life at all.

Thank you for the overflowing milk of human kindness you extended to me and your concern on missing out on the gift of eternal life, but thanks and no thanks. Why? It is because I have the best Attorney ever. At the appointed time, I'll be dully represented by my Advocate. Yes, I have a SAN, Senior Advocate Numero uno, to legally represent me. Praise God. Alleluia.

Empiree:
Listen, your Bible is your major problem. There is no way you could get out of this confusion unless you think outside the box.

Listen matey, you here and for gatecrashing into this thread are the major and mega problem, the Bible is nobody's problem. The Bible soothes and gives no problem to anyone.

Empiree:
John and Luke you used to back yourself were historians. They copied stories from one another. They penned their stories from random people.

So you would have preferred the stories to be recited to John and Luke by Jibril, in order for the stories, as far as you're concerned, to be believable abi?

Empiree:
What they wrote is about Jesus not what Jesus said.

"²⁴This disciple was an eyewitness of these things and wrote them down. We know that what he says is true
²⁵There are many more things that Jesus did. If all of them were written down, I suppose that not even the world itself would have space for the books that would be written."
- John 21:24-25

Empiree, what they wrote, is about Jesus and also about, all what Jesus said too. Talking of what is wrote and/or what is said about Jesus. What and who does the Quran call "Kalimat Allah", the "Word of God" or to be more precise, who does the Quran refer to as
"Kalimatin min Allah" meaning "a Word from God" hmm?

Now Empiree, if it became possible for the word of God, in the case of our Muslim dear ones and your fellow muslims brothers and sisters, to become a book (i.e. the Quran), why isnt it, just as reasonable to, after much thought, understand, get the message and believe that God's eternal Word became a man, hmm? I know that if one is not aware of the reason, why God's Word became a human being, then it will be an uphill struggle believing that Jesus is God

Empiree:
Your concept of God is pathetic.

You have an excessive pride in your underdeveloped concept of God. You're full of deceit and puffed up with conceit

Why and how is my concept of God pathetic?
Empiree, share your knowledge and understanding of what the meaning of I AM, or what the meaning of the longer phrase, I AM I AM is please. I would like to read and/or hear your reasoning

Empiree:
You need reorientation all over.

You have a parochial understanding of God, but you think I need reorientation all over, when it really is you, who needs reorientation all over, all because your misinterpretation(s) has dragged you discombobulated to the roadside. You're desperately in need of a paradigm shift. May you, in a flash, have the penny drop moment and suddenly understand that Jesus is God. Amen. A common mistake that people like you Empiree make, when dealing with the divinity of Jesus is trying to understand it using rudimentary level human reasoning(s)

Empiree:
For some reason I feel so reluctant to engage you all along.

Do you still all along harbour this reluntant feeling not to engage me? I think, God purposely set you up, to engage with me, so you can get the realisation that Jesus is God and God is Jesus. Dont worry Empiree if you still dont get it, because you can be standing right in front of truth and not necessarily see it. People only get it when they're ready to get it. So my dear brother, hopefully someday, you'll look back on this thread's interaction with me and then suddenly POW, the epiphany might happen and hit you.

How dare you tried to malign Jesus, hmm?, You get balls ooo, but never mind, as I am at least extremely pleased, delighted and happy that Bodydialect57 exposed you and your lies, especially the one where you falsely said that Jesus rebuked the disciples for calling Him Lord. That Bodydialect57 educative response to your departure from the truth, was a hit and I liked it.

Empiree, I should be the one relunctant to engage such a person like you who has a strong and undying loyalty to deny and defy truth vehemently, but we thank God for grace and the gift to suffer gladly few small-minded people just like you. God has given me the grace to be patient with the Empiree of this world. Praise God. Alleluia.

Empiree, out of mere curiousity, do you at all know what is the meaning of the name Jesus, or better still, Yahushua, using the original Hebrew name?

Empiree:
Please don't die on this belief of yours. It is not gonna be pretty

"... So ask of those who know the Scripture [learned men of the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)], if you know not."
- Quran 16:43

I wish you self medicate and take your very own prescription, which is, don't die on this belief of yours, that Jesus is not God, because the aftermath is not gonna be pretty

You worship what you do not know, a moon god. We worship what we know, the One, True and only God. Arguing about sacred knowledge pertaining to denying that Jesus is God, causes the heart to harden up and the results are we have hardliners, the likes of you and the rest of our fellow muslim brothers and sisters who dont want to ask the "the people of the book" for illumination on subject matters like this, something that even you know, the Quran itself in Quran 16:43 above and also elsewhere, in Quran 21:7, advocates, you all should do. You're advised to ask us, towards you getting proper and full understanding of God and/or the Godhead, in relation to things, like the aspects of the complete knowledge of God the Father, the begotten Son and the Holy Spirit you lots dont have.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Know Thyself: The Miracle Called Man by MuttleyLaff: 1:16pm On Nov 17, 2019

Eviana:
OP, You have an understanding here that many have not yet fully grasped.
The angels do marvel at us humans.. and this controversy of "life on planet earth."
I also, like your explanation of a faith-based works (James 2:26)...in terms of appreciation for the gift of salvation (through faith in Christ), yet understanding that professors of Christ, still must live accordingly.

That takes prayer, the Holy Spirit's guidance, and then an "effort(s)", "action(s)" etc. in multiple scenarios and circumstances.
We don't become "more than conquerors through Christ," by just sitting on clouds, twittling our fingers, resting in the FALSE concept of "once saved, always saved" (which is abusing God's grace and living presumptiously) while simultaneously daydreaming about how we would love to live eternally.
Even Christ had to "do" something (as difficult a struggle as it was-Luke 22:42) in order to make our gift of salvation complete and available: die on the cross for our sins.

The reality is, if a person does not want to receive the gift of eternal life AND live accordingly, then he/she will not receive it. What a person wants (shown through his/her actions), is what he or she will get.

Well written

Tbh, I will in a generous mood, give the post a 6¹/₂ out of 10 scoremark.

The markdown is mainly because of the conjecture claiming that Satan tempted the Angels by making some of them think that God was not fair for deciding to elevate humans, that HE created from miry clay, above them.

I however agree with OP EternalBeing, that far more than the past Generations of humans, the Angels are more mystified by the current sets of Christians on Earth. That, we are not just called the chosen Generation for fun, but we are so called because we prove that we don't need any feelings, sparks, miracles, shaking of Heaven or Earth to show that our believe in our CREATOR and this is unshakably irreversible.

Now watch the book of Enoch squadron soon fly in here and turn up on the thread, to start talking of, how the angelic hosts of heaven marvelled at the female human beings' beauty, had sex with them, that produced giant babies, as long as almost twice a football pitch field and/or a 45 storey high building, and then later married the women.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Was The Book Of Enoch Removed From The Bible? by MuttleyLaff: 3:59pm On Nov 16, 2019*

budaatum:
I don't think one has to be a clairvoyant to read what is in your mind, mutt.

Good on ya, I guess it's happy days for you then. Bask in the glory of clairvoyance and enjoy the privilege of being a good ol' winch, lol

budaatum, carefully looking at the screenshot you pasted up there, do you now see how you took to understand my comments the wrong way, erhn? People, right from the beginning, have been giving God options, and then later expect God to pick up and fix the broken pieces. When serenity was shattered in the garden of Eden, guess who turned up to help out of the garden of Eden crisis, hmm? When Abraham went humping his wife's maid, guess who came to the aid of an estranged Hagar and her son Ishmael, hmm?

As a matter of fact, I dont see anything untoward in the wondering thought and curiosity question(s) raised by the author. I think its a valid observation made by the author and was asking reasonable questions

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