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missjo:
Muttleylaff
Budaatum

Sorry, budaatum has hands full at the mo and wouldnt be urgently involved, thats if bud finds the thread to be interested in.

missjo:
The scrolls were not written by Rabbis, it was compiled by them into what you call the Torah which is a combination of the first five books of the Bible. They could not have drawn their inspiration from anywhere because they did not write anything. The council was formed to gather the scrolls and combine the scriptures into what we now refer to as the bible.
You can correct me where i am wrong.

Moses and his ghostwriter, Joshua, where the Rabbis, who did the writing. Combining to form what we know as Bible, happened much much in the future later

MuttleyLaff:
Do you want the abridged or unabridged version of

• the first canon (i.e. Muratorian Canon), and the progressive acceptance of other books as canonical and have them make up the 66 books of the bible
• The fall of the Roman Empire in AD 476 and the rise of the Roman Catholic Church
• the Pontifex Maximus; the highest office in the state religion of ancient Rome and at the collapse of the Roman Empire, RCC popes taking on this title that had previously belonged to the Roman emperors
• the tragic compromise of believers with the introduction of pagan religions and assimilation of paganism influences
(i.e. the Romanization and paganization of Christianity and the "Christianization" of pagan beliefs)
• Apostolic succession and Pope Gregory in AD 590, upon assuming office denying any responsibility or support for any ambition to the throne of Peter
• "Church" and State fully merged as the Holy Roman Empire
• Subsequent popes exercising authority over kings and emperors, taking on imperial powers along with ecclesiastical authority (e.g. St Leo III)
• the Filioque clause/Filioque controversy and/or The Great Schism
• John Wycliffe of England, John Huss of Czechoslovakia, and John of Wessel in Germany
• Protestant Reformation; division between the Catholic Church and Protestantism over interpretation of Biblical Testaments.
• The Edict of Worms (i.e. the Holy Roman Empire, Charles V and the Pope banning all writings of Martin Luther and labelling him a heretic and enemy of the state) etc
• Calvinism (i.e. named after French reformer and theologian John Calvin, he was Martin Luther's successor during the Protestant Reformation)
• The Edict of Nantes, The Edict of Restitution.
• King Henry VIII taking over jurisdiction of the Church, after kicking RCC out of England.
• Various political and ulterior motives
(e.g. translators forbidden by King James' official order from replacing the Greek word "ekklesia" with "congregation" (i.e. the true interpretation)
Compare Psalms 22:22 with Hebrews 2:12 for more details on this, bibles translated to fit the politics or traditions of men etc)
• Evangelicalism, Revivalism, Pentecostalism, Christian science, the Charismatic Movement, Mormonism/the Latter Day Saint movement, Word of Faith movement etc
• Institutional/organised church(es); licensed or incorporated as businesses/charities etc (i.e. to gain non-profit tax-exempt status)
• Church(es) under the jurisdiction of man (e.g. unincorporated charities/church(es), unregistered/registered church(es) etc)
• details of corrupted teachings or doctrines.
• Etcetera, etcetera

If you want more info to the above,
then the below link has additional unabridged version of what's
https://www.nairaland.com/4263508/church-vs-congregation-congregation-yahshua#63812199
by MuttleyLaff: 6:00am On Jan 02 2019

Please dont again ever mistake me quizzing you to mean I am playing ignorant.

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missjo:
And also, anything drawn/adapted from babylonian epics is definitely heresy because Babylon did not exist until a about a thousand or more years after the flood. And even at that it wa not referred to as Babylon, but Babel.
The location where the tower of Babel was built by Ham's descendants is where Babylon came to exist. You surely do not expect people from this place to know anything about what happened during the time of creation, do you?

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MuttleyLaff:
Where are they all now?
Where is Enki now?

Lies run sprints, but the truth runs marathons
God has all the time in the world
and so isnt fazed or bothered that something has got a head start

Do you know how long it took God to legally come down to earth as a bonafide human being?
Yeah 4000 years

As before mentioned with the earlier reference to Exodus 33:17-23, it was as if, Moses was watching a rewound video tape

I'll like you to rewind your memory to Genesis Chapter 1, and tell, how many goodness (i.e. how many "... it was good" in there

When God said to Moses:
"I will cause all My goodness to pass in front of you,
and I will proclaim the name Yahweh before you.
I will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion."

It was God, telling Moses about goodness #1, and checkmarking it with putting a tick mark, with, I AM, as in, its Me, who did it
goodness #1 up to goodness #7, and checkmarking each with putting tick marks with, I AM, as in, its Me again, who did those

God, showed Moses, with those series of flashbacks in Exodus 33:17-23, how He went about and did His creation

Moses effectively, just sat and watched a replay of events, as if he literally was watching a video replay. Something like as if, using Video Assistant Referee (VAR) technology used in football/soccer games to review a past moment in the ongoing game. That's how Moses was able to write and put the Torah together. I can guess what next some smarty-pants is going to ask about this

Offpoint:
lol, at questionable and suspicious...
Try get the full version of the Bible and read from those books that aren't included in today's Bible.

Nwanne, the laughing joke is on you. To start with, I am sure you are of the crowd that believes in, at least one of the any of the three versions book of Enoch

Offpoint:
At your question, Adam was enjoying free meal without working for it, God was feeding him. After he loss his place with God. Fending for himself becomes part of his PUNISHMENT... since the earth was fertile as of that time, which means he wouldn't even feel the PUNISHMENT of feeding for himself as a big deal... God decided toughen up the soil.
This way he'd feel the impact of his punishment and show some kind of remorse.

I lol at your simplistic "God decided toughen up the soil. This way he'd feel the impact of his punishment and show some kind of remorse" answer

I knew you were just winging it. How you answered that simple, easy straightforward question, opened your yansh and showed you up

Offpoint:
FYI after disobeying God, Adam was never remorseful but instead was pointing fingers of accusations.
He didn't acknowledge, non take responsibilities for his actions.

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So what? Not a single person in the guilty party was remorseful. Everyone was pointing to the next person. No one owned up to acknowledge their wrongdoing or take responsibility for being on God's wrong side.

Offpoint:
It surprised me how people believed Eve ate a 'Fruit' and gave it to Adam and their eyes was opened.

God commanded Adam and Eve to populate the earth, they were in their youthful age and still growing up.

God has not let them know Vagina and penís is the tools they'll used... and they have no idea, hence they were not ashamed of their unclothedness.

They were warned not to 'ate' play with their genitals or have sex... they may see animals do their stuff but they shouldn't.

God knows the appropriate time, Eve is not Mature psychologically to understand what pregnant will look like.

The center fruit is nothing but genitals, devil still being pissed cuz he was thrown down vow to corrupt God creation. So he took human-like body "A serpent" serpent was the only creation with the closest human resemblance. ( remember it was cursed to today's snake and worse, looking like the very tool devil used was part of his cursed that's why snake got a dìck like look)

Eve was out naked and devil knowing much about sex starts filling Eve head with all kinds of sex sweets talks, since women fall for words and was amazed at the size of devil pènis "It was good for food and she desired it" eve gave him and had sex with the devil. Devil being a bad guy gave Eve different kinda style whom she was blown away with excitement took all she learned and straight to Adam... Adam couldn't withstand crazy stuffs she was doing to him, he gave in and had sex with eve... meaning Satan does round one and Adam does round 2.....

That's were Eve got pregnant with twins, one sperm from the devil and one sperm from Adam.... (It's medically proven a woman can carry twins from different father if the time of sex is within same period)

I wish I can type further...

Pastors have no idea why God rejected Cane sacrifice, Cane is the devil seed.
The only way evil penetrate human race is through Cane, Devils has deposited everything he needed to destroy God creation in Cane DNA.

Ignore all errors, I hate proofreading...

There's a lot to type, let me stop here.

It's pitiful most Christians only read the Bible, the Bible has gone through a lot. So many things has been edited out...

There is a part of the bible that said we shouldn't add or remove from the word...
I asked my pastor in Bible studies why some books of the Bible were removed... the answers was "You don't need it"

The part of the bible that said we shouldn't add or remove from the word, is not talking about the already compiled canon of scripture. It is not talking about the collection or list of sacred books accepted as genuine, but is saying, do not make the Bible more interesting, by adding extra details that are often untrue. This is exactly what you have done quite often in your comment above. You've exaggerated story lines in the Bible with half truths, fantasies, fake news and bad bullshits.

The books that did not make it into the Bible as whole, are books with questionable and suspicious veracity. They cant be relied on as honest or truthful. They literally are fantasy books, and effectively are fake content news, so the reason for their exclusion in the Bible.

The pastor that advised that you dont need those books, is right and should be given a chilled bottle of orijin plus a truckload of kolanuts. Your post was offpoint in many places, sorry pun was intended, and had more holes than in a Swiss cheese, but I want to know, if you can plug one hole, from answering this question. Offpoint, why, according to Genesis 3:17, is/was the ground cursed because of Adam?

penocrat1:
Brother I love your inspiration. Can we discuss more. Here is my mail ifezuedesmond@gmail.com.
Let share more light on this topic

Lol, at "I love your inspiration" compliment.

Nwanne, what are you that strongly attracted to and interested in, that you're ready, keen and prepared to go offline discuss, hmm?

DoctorAlien:
The above bolded is the most important part of this post of yours. All these things are true only in your opinion and in the opinion of people who hold the same view with you. Very honest of you.

I must comment that you're beginning to show understanding, the first sign of which is honesty.

MuttleyLaff:
We all and each engage our brains, only that you quite a lot misread or misunderstand and also, maybe out of frustration or because of the time of the female's month, I dont know, but you do lose your comport and patience easily

budaatum is a fast learner, that is why

budaatum:
You don't get it muttley so let me explain it to you. I read you up to this point and could go no further. I was sick by the beginning of the second paragraph despite knowing there's likely much truth and knowledge in it.

Oh dear, I am sorry to hear this. So that it doesnt get repeated, what "gangan", in the second paragraph, brought about the sickness?

budaatum:
You are a very knowledgeable person muttley and I learn a lot from you

Iron sharpens iron. I unashamedly and easily can say the same about you too budaatum, that you're are a very knowledgeable person, I learn quite a lot from you too and that I love how you keep me on my toes

budaatum:
but you suffer from word diarrhea, shit with which you paint your intelligence!

I do admit I do serve and give out tough bullshits, that some find too hard to take and swallow, and if at all swallowed, their stomach gets upset

budaatum:
Why the fuq do you think anyone will waste their time digging for pearls in all that yadayada of yours?

[img]https://s0/images/budaatumYada2.jpg[/img]

The reason budaatum answering your "Why the fuq do you think anyone will waste their time digging for pearls in all that yadayada of yours?" question, is because when anyone gives you free knowledge food, or "yada" as you correctly put it, it stops you from thinking. You just gobble up, chop, wipe and clean mouth, be none the wiser. There is nothing like a fast food free lunch on a platter of gold with me, budaatum, my dear friend. Everyone earns their keep.

budaatum:
Please say buda, unless you are specifically calling my attention in future, and when calling my attention please make sure it is when you have engaged your brain.

We all and each engage our brains, only that you quite a lot misread or misunderstand and also, maybe out of frustration or because of the time of the female's month, I dont know, but you do lose your comport and patience easily

pressplay411:
What amazes me is that all this epistle was just to tell us that the fruit of knowledge Adam and Eve ate was Sex?

Reno Omokri tried letting out a dragon from the bottle, but before the dragon could completely slither out of the bottle, Reno Omokri quickly got hold of it and pushed the dragon straight back into the bottle and slammed back the bottle cover. Reno Omokri didnt have the bottle to fully let out the dragon. He was trying to make sense, but lost himself in the thick of it all, that he ended up tying himself up in knots and so couldnt bring himself to connect the dots, he earlier promised he will do

pressplay411:
That has always been one of the several speculations of its allegorical implications by interpretation of theological scholars.
But the fallibility in this argument is that the scriptures says Eve ate the fruit first before offering it to Adam.
Hence, unless she was asexual or masturbating, then the argument is flawed.

One thing Reno Omokri was bang on and 110% correct about, is that the Bible is esoteric, it is esoteric and at times full with multi-layered or multi-tiered meanings. Smh, lol, Genesis 2-3 sure does have verses with a very good share of these several and distinct meanings.

pressplay411:
Knowledge is in fact a term the scriptures uses to describe sex.

Not quite true, that knowledge is in fact a term, the scriptures uses to describe sex, knowledge is the term or word associated with having lawful coitus, when it isnt making love with the confines of a lawful setting, then the act of coitus is referred to, as having sex, having sex in the most blunt way of saying it, as at least, that is what one really is having, one is having sex. Take for example, contrasting how Adam knew his wife, but as for Abram, doing something similar, with Hagar, in Genesis 16:4, he is recorded as he went into Hagar and not that he knew her. Another example is with Judah and his daughter-in-law, he, in Genesis 38:18, is recorded that he went into her and not too that he knew her.

pressplay411:
Knowledge is also in fact sexual, hence Sapiosexuals.

What attracted me first to my missus, though beautiful and everything physical already in place, actually first was her intelligence. I knew and appreciated my missus' intelligence first before anything else. Lol, you do know that Eve before eating, wanted and pined for that too. Bah thats for another thread another day jor.

pressplay411:
But the sin was not that they had sex, but they disobeyed God's instruction. Sex is clearly not the sin. Disobeying God's instruction has always been what sin is.

The sin was the flagrant disobeying of a singly expressed command. When there is no law, there is no crime. Only one law was laid down, so we cant begin to accuse of them of being guilty of any other law except the one only. We know there were repercussions for any other thing done aside eating of the tree, but hey we dont want to go into that direction, besides it's too much to take for a thread like this

pressplay411:
Sex between two couples married to each other isn't sin. Sex outside marriage is what is sin.

I can live with this comment, even back in the day, when the Levirate marriage was on, alive and kicking, having sexual intimacy in that context, was not sin

jesusjnr:
Please don't be provoked bro, because it appears you mean well, so I'd advise you channel that passion towards loving God and serving His interest instead of hating Islam and Mohammed.

Because even Paul who many now love and esteem more than Jesus, probably did and said worse things concerning Jesus than Mohammed ever did, and was the chief persecutors of His followers before he was arrested by Jesus.

And Paul wasn't a Muslim but a Judaist who worshipped the same God as Jesus.

The reason I asked you to share with me those things you were speaking about Mohammed or the Koran, was for me to see if they were things I already knew about them or what I didn't know. But i was right for most of the things you said I already knew them concerning him.

And I knew the beginning when angel Gabriel appeared to him and taught him how to read. And then later on when Satan began trouble him and almost made him to throw himself over a hill and commit suicide, before God intervened and told him it was the devil.

And some of the severe persecutions and deaths they had to endure from their own people, because they were going contrary to the idol worship of their land etc.

So I already knew most of those things, but as I said, where most of us get it wrong is comparing Islam to Christianity instead of Judaism which is the same standard and Abrahamic covenant with it.

Because if you do so then you would have issues because Christianity is an upgrade of both Islam and Judaism, because of the single factor of Jesus.

But if you use Judaism instead, you'd see that there's no much difference, for ever before Islam ever came into existence, Jesus was rejected, persecuted, almost stoned, almost thrown headlong down a hill, blasphemed against, framed up, mocked, and condemned to death by Judaists.

And you also know what happened to His followers, Stephen was stoned to death, Peter and John were beaten and shamed, and there arose serious persecution against the church that they were being committed to prison etc. And it wasn't muslims behind the serious persecution the church suffered but Judaists, yet that didn't make the God of Judaism to be different from the God of Jesus or of the Christians.

So that's my point with Islam, the Koran and Mohammed, because if you compare them with the Jews who are also of the Abrahamic covenant, you'd see that they are very similar, because that is the covenant that God is using as the standard for the first stage of Islam, before He brings them to the knowledge of Jesus just as it was in the instance of Israel.

So that's why He hid the knowledge concerning Jesus from Mohammed, for the time of that revelation in God's plans for Islam had not yet come.

I know it's not going to be easy, but I am trying to follow God, because God has a plan for Muslims just as He has for the Judaists concerning His Son Jesus.

Thanks.

Blabbermouth, can you now see how jesusjnr is looking for leprosy, earnestly looking God's trouble, hmm? .

Do you notice how he took on the serpent's sly, cunning and deceitful nature by answering evasively, majority of your questions to him. He even further is making excuses, all in attempts to have Mohammed validated and legitimized, but nobody, because of bread, calls a dog or monkey bros now.

jesusjnr is in the full time business of eisegesis. He takes delight in his ignoranus self and pride in barefaced lies. Never trust jesusjnr as far as you forcefully can throw him

God, Jesus, knew about the stone hearted Judaist, stiff necked Jews, there were going to be a tall order tough nut to crack and to get through to or reach. That is why Jesus repeatedly kept on harping and saying things, like in Matthew 15:24, for example that: " I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.".

Now Apostle Paul, that jesusjnr ignorantly loves to criticize unfairly, says something from the prophetic, as in from the first gospel mentioned to Eve, in Genesis 3:15, that began to unravel with Abraham, when God in Genesis 22:18, said to Abraham: "In your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed, because you have obeyed My voice" Apostle Paul, with those beautiful words in Romans 1:16 that says: "For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile" was saying what we already know and are familiar with. The gospel is, to those who choose to believe, first to the Jews, then the Gentiles, the whole wide world.

Apostle Paul owned up to his many mistakes towards his fellow Jews and Jesus. He even was quick to apologise when notified he was speaking rudely to the high priest Ananias, so dont buy the ignoranus comment jesusjnr made with:
"Paul who many now love and esteem more than Jesus, probably did and said worse things concerning Jesus than Mohammed ever did, and was the chief persecutors of His followers before he was arrested by Jesus."

iwayumeh:
A The Allegory in The Garden of Eden Account of the Fall of Man

When Christ said “except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you” (John 6:53), He did not mean His literal body. Most people will accept this as true. The Son of God was obviously not advocating Papua New Guinea style cannibalism.

He was of course speaking of His figurative body and blood, which we partake in when we observe Holy Communion, a practice that began 2000 years before Christ came to Earth, as demonstrated by Abraham and Melchizedek in Genesis 14:18.

So, why do we take other Scriptural accounts that were meant to be taken figuratively, literally?

There are accounts in Scripture that were written in Hebrew and Aramaic and both of these languages tend to use polite words for things, places and situations that may be indiscreet to mention in decent company.

For instance, the word that would literally be translated as carnal copulation or coitus between a man and a woman is referred to as knowledge or know in the Old Testament of Scripture.

So, when Genesis 4:1 says
“Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.”

The word knew in question is the Hebrew word ya-da‘ and it is a polite way of saying that Adam had coitus with Eve. That word is used in various tenses and adjectives of the word know, including knew, knowledge, knowing and to know. Bear this in mind, as I will connect the dots later.

I have read the Scriptures from cover to cover and in multiple translations as well as in English, Greek (New Testament), Aramaic and Hebrew. I have also visited Israel, Greece, Rome, Ethiopia, Turkey and many other places in search of deeper insight into Scripture.

How well do you know the Scriptures? I have a secondary school friend named Kehinde, who is now sort of a pastor and he wrote on Facebook that he has jettisoned all other translations of The Holy Bible and he just holds to his King James Version jeje (a Yoruba word meaning gently), and I laughed. If only he knew!

If you have only read one translation of Scripture, I urge you to read another one. And then another. A lot is lost in translation. For example, if I converted $100 into pounds today, I may get £80.30. But if I tried to buy back $100 with that £80.30, I would not be able to. Why? Because value is always lost in the conversion process.

It is the same with Scripture. Scripture was not written in English. It was written in Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek. And when Scripture is translated, a lot of value is lost. That is why you should read multiple translations. But the best is to teach yourself the original languages or learn them professionally, then read original manuscripts in their mother language.

Why? Because Scripture was inspired by God, but translations were, in many cases, inspired by men. Men, like King James, who had his own agenda.

Do you now see what translations can do? He who pays the translator dictates the translation.

Remember those dots I promised to connect? Now may be a good time to connect them, but I don’t want to connect them for you. Perhaps you can connect them yourself.

Why am I writing this? I am writing this to remind, or perhaps to inform my readers for the very first time (if they did not already know this), that Scripture is an esoteric book that should not be read, but studied

MuttleyLaff:
I am an ever advocate of questioning because enquiring minds want to know. No believer worth his/her salt will harbour fear about the scripture not being infallibility. Permit me to let you on to what makes the scripture capable of making mistakes or being wrong. Greed, filthy lucre, political and differing theology, heresies, idolatry, schisms, deliberate theological errors etcetera are catalysts for making Bible translations that have mistakes, that are wrong, that are lies, that have original word contents changed from their real and genuine meanings etcetera.

Bible translations made where cast iron facts, are viewed as irrelevant or less important than indoctrinations, deliberate and calculated lies, personal beliefs and opinions makes people cast aspersions on scripture

iwayumeh and/or Reno Omokri havent got the chutzpah, to go the whole hog on this translation and deliberate mistranslation business

If all you do is follow the herd, then you've been brought up, and being stepping on centuries old, shipload of mistranslation bad bullshit or crap.
Most of my comments, like kkins25, can attest, either attracts a strong mind or put off an ignorant and weak one, like how budaatum will put them down as "blah, yada, blah, yada, blah, yada" The strong minds will head upstream along with me, against the flow, whilst the ignorant andweak ones, will go with the regular and usual flow. Now recognising the truth, at a diffrent height or perspective, from a different regular load of bad bullshit or crap you're used to, always is going to be a challenge.

When uninformed people read their English version bible(s), I mean read it, especially without knowing certain or specific things beforehand, like about truth(s) have been exchanged in for lies, they then for some reason, think that, what they read is how the Bible has always being and originally have said it. They read verses that the church is and has been using to condemn others when the Bible really hasnt condemned, didnt condemn and doesn't condemn at all, with or in any of the clobber verses chosen to be waved in the air and wielded in your face.

iwayumeh and/or Reno Omokri arent really ready to shake the table, they are teasers, tantalising, that's all. Hear what Reno Omokri says, after urging the readership to bear some info in mind, and the earlier promise, that he will connect the dots later.
"Remember those dots I promised to connect? Now may be a good time to connect them, but I don’t want to connect them for you. Perhaps you can connect them yourself."

If these my comments were made on Reno Omokri's twitter page, I am sure, Reno Omokri, would have hastily and unceremoniously blocked me, by now, from future viewing of his tweets

Blabbermouth:
He seems to be convinced that he is recognized by God, but all that keeps ringing in my ears when I see his write ups are Paul's words in 1 Corinthians 14:36-38.
How come then? Is it possible the kind of revelations he receives are from a kind of dark spirit that disguises as an angel of light?

He has the covetous and jealous spirit. He has the Miriam spirit of complaining and baseless criticism too, ready and willing to speak against God's Apostle whom He had chosen.

I continually being warning him to repent, but it falls on deaf ears, so if you can, pray for him that he realises his foolishness, because Miriam paid the price with leprosy. Leprosy, as a matter of fact, is tzara'at, in Hebrew and it is related to the word that means trouble or affliction. jesusjnr is looking for God's trouble.

Blabbermouth:
Yet, He said Jesus Christ is not the son of God.
He claimed Jesus did not die for my sin and yours.
He said Jesus is no one but God's prophet and he even placed himself in an higher heirachy.
When he was visited, he felt it was the devil, intact he believed it was shaytan that came to minister unto him. Do you know?
He was convinced (rather confused) by some men that it wasn't the devil but rather an angel of allah, Do you know?
He took in a 9 year old Aisha, do you know what age the girl was when he knew her?
Do you know of what death Mohammed died?
Do you know he said the earth was flat and the sun sets in a spring of water?
Do you know he couldn't muster a single miracle in the Qur'an?
Do you know Muhammad said we would have eternal penile erections in heaven with women to satisfy us?
Do you know his father's name and what religion his father practiced before his birth?
Do you know his father's name meant "Servant of Allah" and his father was an idol worshipper (his father's god was Allah)?
Do you know what Muhammad used jinns for as per the hadith compiled by his caliphs?
I am provoked right now, and in bitterness do I type this; Muhammad is not of God.

"Res ipsa loquitur" loosely means, the evidence(s) speaks for itself.

You dont have to be provoked at all, we already right from day have sussed out this false prophet jesusjnr. Have you ever heard the saying "keep your grass cut short to see the snakes". This is one green grass jesusjnr snake I've been from day one, keeping my eyes on. I watch, monitor him 24/7 and he knows that too. jesusjnr is right now gone to look for dirt to dig up on your moniker to throw mud sling at you. If they dont stick, he will retort to ad hominem, then evetually do a runner AWOL

Blabbermouth:
See, inasmuch as I love this Jesusjnr guy, he doesn't relax and listen. I studied the Quran and the amount of blasphemy it contains is unimaginable. The islamic religion is the best crafted Antichrist movement I have seen disguised in light.

Let me tell you whats going on in here. jesusjnr is a komfam loose cannon, and tbh with you, there is nothing to love in any jesusjnr guy with a dark heart and ugly soul.

jesusjnr:
Mohammed is a true prophet of God, so obviously Mohammed's Allah.

From one unrepentant poor tormented false self-proclaimed fake sorry arse prophet validating another. Smh

butterfly777:
I recommend this for front page because much more people will be blessed by it as they read and learn from it. Besides, this is a good Christian thread, unlike threads that seem to paint Christianity in bad light.

Mariangeles:
More people will be blessed by it, I agree .
Only that I find it hard to tolerate when they ridicule the gospel of Jesus Christ .

"It is God’s privilege to conceal things and the king’s privilege to discover them (i.e. to search things out)"
- Proverbs 25:2

The sucking up to the powers that be, the god and/or angels of Nairaland heaven, is a complete turn-off, besides petroleum, coal etcetera are not found, easily on front page. Diamond, gold, rubies etcetera are not found, easily on front page. Pearls are not found, easily on front page. Those to whom these are valuable to, will eventually find these things on their own, either by digging deep underneath the ground for them or dive deep depth under water for them

ichuka:
Ex3:6
New American Standard Bible
He said also, "I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob." Then Moses hid his face, for he was afraid to look at God.

Apart from the fact that God had covenanted with these three men, He takes them up as representative personages. He chooses them to represent three types of men in the world. What type of man is Abraham? He is a giant of faith. He is rather uncommon; in fact, he is quite special. As the God of Abraham, God declares himself to be the God of excellent people. Yet, thanks be to God, He is not only the God of the excellent. Were He merely this kind of God, we would sink into despair because we are not persons of excellence. But God is also the God of Isaac. What type of person is Isaac? He is very ordinary. He eats whenever he can, and sleeps as he has opportunity. He is neither a wonder man nor a wicked person. How this fact has comforted many of us! Yet God is not only the God of the ordinary men, He is also the God of the bad men: He is the God of Jacob too, for in the Scriptures Jacob is pictured as one of the worst persons to be found in the Old Testament. Hence through these three persons, God is telling us that He is the God of Abraham the best, the God of Isaac the ordinary, and the God of Jacob the worst. He is the God of those with great faith, He is the God of the common people, and He is also the God of the lowest of men such as thieves and prostitutes. Suppose I am special like Abraham; then He is my God. Suppose I am ordinary like Isaac; then He is also my God. And suppose from my mother’s womb I have been bad like Jacob was in that I have striven with my brother; then He is still my God. He has a way with the excellent, with the common, and with the worst of humanity.

"Behold, I am the LORD, the God of all flesh: is there any thing too hard for me?
(i.e. I am the LORD, the God of all humankind. There is, indeed, nothing too difficult for me)"
- Jeremiah 32:27

You have confirmed what God in Jeremiah 32:27 was conveying about being the God of all flesh or the God of all humankind, that He is the God of the good, the bored and the fugly

He is God of the good (i.e. Abram/Abraham), He is God of the bored & ordinary (i.e. Isaac) and He is the God of the fugly bad (i.e. Jacob/Israel)

glowingflame7:
Shoot, are we possessed?

1/ When Jesus was tempted by Satan, was He at any time possessed by Satan?
2a/ Does the Bible suggest that Peter was possessed by Satan when he blurted, saying something that he shouldn't have said?
2b/ Does the Bible suggest that Peter was influenced by Satan when he blurted, saying something that he shouldn't have said?

3/ Does the Bible suggest that Eve was possessed by Satan before she went ahead to eat from the tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil (i.e. tkoge)?

4a/ Unlike Peter, why was it easy for Satan to enter Judas, take possession of him and then put into his heart the idea to betray Jesus?
4b/ Unlike Peter, why was it easy for Satan to enter Ananias, take possession of him and then put into his heart the idea to try to deceive the Holy Spirit etcetera?

5a/ Being who you are in Christ and knowing yourself, do you believe that, from now to any time "t" in the future, you possibly can be taken over and get possessed by Satan?
5b/ Being who you are in Christ and knowing yourself, do you believe that, from now to any time "t" in the future, your will, your heart or your body can be possessed by Satan?

budaatum:
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budaatum, it is a tragedy for you that I am under no obligation, to make sense to you nor especially, when you, in your, typical puerile and jejune behavior, see me as doing "blah, yada, blah, yada, blah, yada"

Smh, lost opportunity to catch a glimpse of the gems in the sea of what budaatum alleged to be endless "blah, yada, blah, yada, blah, yada" Never mind, this is déjà moo for me, because I know I have experienced this your, typical and nauseating "blah, yada, blah, yada, blah, yada" puerile jejune behavior bullshit from you budaatum before and before and before.

budaatum:
Go tell it to the person you misled to believe he was not ignorant muttley.

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My comment was addressed to no one other than you, to mind the long and big "plank of pride" in your eye before pointing out the little "speck" in others. OK? Any envisaged free rider is your problem, not mine budaatum, and along the way, you do know that Adam was not deceived budaatum, right? Adam was not misled. Adam was not ignorant

Isnt it weird and amazing that sometimes when you remove the log from your own eyes, you will see that the other person had no speck there, after all the budaatum suspicions.

budaatum:
I do not find humour in ignorance muttley. The only thing found in ignorance is death!

And before you go "humour". The below is plain unfunny ignorance.

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Take a step back budaatum. What appears to you, what you've read, or what you've perceived it to be budaatum, is just part of it all. The remaining other parts of it all, are either hidden from you, aren't visible to you, or you're just plain and outright unfunny ignorant of them.

So budaatum, my dear friend, its better to learn, not to be, in the usual habit of arriving at hasty conclusions. Better not to be judgemental and be launching uncalled for scathing attacks on me, until you're fully aware and know the entire detail about the primordial, Mother Earth and the reason why I pasted Sunday, the 23rd of October 4004 BC against your posted "4 April 4004BC?" comment.

nencounter10:
Ladies and gentlemen. This is the end of this thread.

What out for my next story: HOW I LEARNT TO WALK IN DIVINE HEALTH

Well done, OP, nencounter10.

It makes a refreshing change to be able to read good threads that dont make OP the centre of attraction nor have OP sucking up to mods clamouring for attention to put thread(s) on front page.

budaatum:
I don't do humour with you muttley.
Hola when you start to use your brain.

Laughing brains are more absorbent, I've heard said, so budaatum, if you couldnt find the humour, your brain isnt intellectually working fast and absorbent enough.

vybzkartel:
If if that is true, I am a new creature, you son of the devil

You dont know my "customer mi, daada ni" "digging up dirt" jesusjnr at all.

He revels in rọfọrọfọ mud-slinging dirty fights and retorting to ad hominem responses. I saw the comment he made but couldnt be bothered since it is the unrepentant poor tormented false self-proclaimed fake sorry arse prophet that doesnt know and fear God who made it.

solite3:
the covenant God entered with Abraham was special in that it also concerns the coming of the seed (Christ) through whom the whole world will be blessed. It was a promise that was yet to be fulfilled in the old testament but fulfilled in the new. When God refers to himself as The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob he reminds the hearer of the certainty of the Abrahamic covenant.

Matthew 22:32
I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

Jesus used this verse to reinstate the fact about the certainty of God's promise of resurrection which is to be fulfilled by Jesus, neither time nor events can override the promise God made to Abraham through the seed both in the restoration of Israel to their original possession and of the coming resurrection.
I Am the God of Abraham isaac and Jacob is a powerful reminder that what he has promised to the patriarchs he would fulfill it.

I dont think ichuka is satisfied that his questions have been given fair treatment answers so the following reattempts to shed more light.

1/ Why does God not declare himself as the God of Adam?
Answer:
You first, need to know who God is and how God is defined

God is a force that has the ability and capacity to do anything. God is a power that has the ability and capacity to make anything act in a particular way.

God couldnt declared Himself as the God of Adam, because Adam by choice and freewill decided not to be influenced by God

2/ For we know that Abraham sinned even as Adam did. Why then did He not call himself the God of Adam?
Answer:
It has nothing to do with knowing that Abraham sinned even as Adam did, but that the incriminating evidence is that Adam disobeyed God, and so this act prevented God from able to call Himself the God of Adam. On what basis, what will justify God calling Himself the God of Adam

3/ Why did He not say the God of Abel, the seed of Adam?
Answer:
God could have said that about Abel that He is the God of Abel, but He didnt. He didnt say so, not necessarily that it isnt true but that God in His wisdom didnt say it.

4/ Why instead did He call himself the God of Abraham, of Isaac, and of Jacob?
Answer:
God started with Abram, when He influenced Abram, and told Abram to leave his country, his relatives and his father's house to a place He would show him, then after when Abram obeyed, God made a covenant with him (i.e. read Genesis 15:18-21 about it)

The promise God made with Abram didnt just stop or end with Abraham, as God kept the promise going, by repeating and confirming it to Abraham's son, Isaac (i.e. notice this in Genesis 26:3, where God said to Isaac: Live here as a foreigner in this land, and I will be with you and bless you. I hereby confirm that I will give all these lands to you and your descendants, just as I solemnly promised Abraham, your father)

The assurance given to Isaac was continued and passed on to Isaac's son, Jacob, later known as Israel (i.e. notice how in Genesis 28:13, it staetes that, at the top of the stairway stood the LORD, and he said, “I am the LORD, the God of your grandfather Abraham, and the God of your father, Isaac. The ground you are lying on belongs to you. I am giving it to you and your descendants)

God calls Himself the God of Abraham, of Isaac, and of Jacob based on the promise He made and the formal agreement to each one of those individuals

5/ Why according to the flesh was our Lord Jesus presented in the New Testament as having been born of the seed of Abraham?
Answer:
#1/ Abram believed God, and God because of this, counted him as righteous because of his faith.
#2/ The prophetic, the first gospel mentioned to Eve in Genesis 3:15, began to unravel with Abraham, when God in Genesis 22:18, said to Abraham: "In your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed, because you have obeyed My voice." There ichuka is why, according to the flesh was our Lord Jesus, is presented in the New Testament as having been born of the seed of Abraham.

6/ Why from among all men should God have called himself the God of these three particular persons?
Answer:
Revisit the answer given in #4 above.

"Behold, I am the LORD, the God of all flesh: is there any thing too hard for me?
(i.e. I am the LORD, the God of all humankind. There is, indeed, nothing too difficult for me)"
- Jeremiah 32:27

Meanwhile if I were you, I wouldnt be splitting hair, because King Darius in Daniel 6:26, honors God, with the "God of somebody" line, by stating: "I make a decree, That in every dominion of my kingdom men tremble and fear before the God of Daniel: for he is the living God, and stedfast for ever, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed, and his dominion shall be even unto the end."

Remember, the word, God is synonymous with "influential power". God is a supernatural entity and has the capacity to have positive effects on someone's or something's character, development and/or behaviour. God is the Affect, that brings about positive effects. The word God, is closely associated with influencing or tending to suggest an idea of influence

ichuka, Jeremiah 32:27 above just re-echoes that, Yahweh, is God over every creation, creature or creativity, as in, God, in the sense that He influences and/or influenced them

sonmvayina:
Working?

Yes working. Or would you rather, I should have said God was playing or toying on to get rid of sin, once and for all ni?

sonmvayina:
Hmm you really don't know what God is and is not...

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Good on ya, that I dont really don't know what God is and is not, just don't forget to mind the long and big "plank of pride" in your eye before the little "speck" in mine. OK?

Isnt it weird and amazing that sometimes when you remove the log from your own eyes, you will see that the other person had no speck there after all the suspicions.

sonmvayina:
Why don't you start from there..

Why dont you speak for yourself

glowingflame7:
Thank God Peter was not in England.

glowingflame7, can I ask you a personal question or two, hmm? Ask you a personal question about you and Peter, that I hope to get a honest and truthful reply back from, erhn?

budaatum:
You're seeking attention muttley, but you will not get any here till you develop a brain.

You've joined the "you're seeking attention" gang abi?. Seeking attention kor, Sitting Atten-shun ni.

You're uptight about almost everything, small humour, come dey do face like somehow, so the main things that needs seeking attention for, is your uptight beautiful flower and your dry humourless bimbo brain

Anas09:
So you know without any reasonable doubt that demons can possess a holy spirit filled soul?

glowingflame7:
Like I said, I'm using the bible context and definition, not the usual Nigerian deliverance context. By the way, the word "demons" doesn't even appear in the kjv bible for instance, now you know. Satan took possession of Peter. There are consequences for not being filled with the Spirit. It is possible for a believer to GIVE room to the devil.

"But the judge added:
'English law does not recognise the concept of possession by an evil spirit'. "

Man claims he was possessed by voodoo when he stabbed fiancee’s head
Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2019/09/27/man-claims-possessed-voodoo-stabbed-fiancees-head-10821687/?ito=article.desktop.share.bottom

budaatum:
I do not take advise from idiots.

You either need to get laid, get given a hard and steady fairk or its just that time of the month. Mtcheew! idiota referring others as idiots. Kettle calling pot black

budaatum:
Stop being stupid.

Stop being a prima donna

budaatum:
I'm beginning to wish I can strike you like I struck your stupid comment muttley.

One would expect you to not so stupidly mislead those more stupid than you are.

Please stop behaving like a stuck up drama queen bitch.

You talked about how to date a planet, I asked tell also about how to marry one. On a serious note, how and where have I mislead anyone more stupid?

ichuka:
You are right Bro.
But my view point is on Abraham Isaac and Jacob why not just God of Abraham alone, why must He include Isaac and Jacob too?
He choose these three personalities for a reason.

Adam for being naughty and disobedient doesnt go with God declaring Himself the God of Adam. It'll be like as if God condoned his wrongdoing.

God didnt just start with Abraham alone, He continued with Isaac and then Jacob, later known as Israel.

Remember how He first blessed Abraham and talked about his descendants etcetera, then eventually 430 years plus later, Moses told the Israelites that the God of their fathers, sent him to them etcetera

The covenant to bless the world was through what was promised Abraham and re- stated with Isaac and Jacob

ichuka:
Why does God not declare himself as the God of Adam? For we know that Abraham sinned even as Adam did. Why then did He not call himself the God of Adam? Why did He not say the God of Abel, the seed of Adam? Why instead did He call himself the God of Abraham, of Isaac, and of Jacob? Why according to the flesh was our Lord Jesus presented in the New Testament as having been born of the seed of Abraham? Why from among all men should God have called himself the God of these three particular persons?

Nwanne, hi, long time. The reason is because as you know, the word God, is synonymous with "influential power". God influenced Abram when he told Abram to leave his country, his relatives and his father's house to a place He would show him, and Abram obeyed. Adam when he disobeyed God's word, didn't do so under the influence of God. So therefore, gets himself disqualified from having God seeing Himself, as the God of Adam. Its just as simple as that. If further illumination is needed please don't hesitate to ask

kkins25:
I completely disagree.. im sure the mention monikers do too. A miracle I believe is bending the laws of nature.. today's science hardly bends the law of nature but exploiting it.

Man exploited the law of aerodynamics to begin flying in the air. In the beginning, it was perceived a miracle "bending" the law of aerodynamics, but now apart for recent climate strike agitations and damage flying does to the environment, it became seen as natural and taken as a leisure right to fly and take to air, just like birds do.

kkins25:
Spitting on the ground, mixing saliva with sand and using this saliva-sand concoction to heal a blind man is simply unnatural such that todays sophisticated science cannot explain.

You dont know your limit(s)

kkins25:
Turning water to wine with no natural principles followed us wgat we term a miracle.

Dont worry kkins25, I understand you dont wanto know, it's not always easy to recognize our limits. So turning water into wine, is the highlight of a miracle you'll like seen done erhn? Have you ever considered or thought of a miracle for paraplegics, hmm?

kkins25:
a miracle is not a "miracle" if it can be studied and repeated using the same principle as previously used by its inventor or pioneer while obeying the laws of nature and without claims that a supernatural forces is behind it.

What was originally called and seen as a miracle, when constantly repeated becomes a normal everyday process of nature . I gave you an example, with Thames Tunnel, the world's first man-made underground tunnel constructed under a navigable river

kkins25:
It has taken 2000 years to heal glaucoma, this is a miracle, but nit on the scale of jesus... saliva has no eye curing ingredients, nor does sand. So kindly explain how your saviour achieve such feats. Afrterall as a humble student and enduring believer, I suppose by now your master has revealed to you the power which he promised in the verse quoted by Johnny..

A child has clothes as much as possible, but can never have as much rags as an adult. I can kindly explain that science has always copied, mimicked, make caricatures of God creations and events, but never repeat the scrupulous exact science God

kkins25:
careful study of nature, calculations, and hardwork made this possible. No holy spirut was conjured to achieve such goals. No fasting and prayer was needed. And certainly no devotion of ones life to any diety

Where do you think the wisdom to have the know how to achieve any and all of that came from, hmm? The answer tothat rhetorical question is, God.

kkins25:
i wondered what your fellow believers in christ would have done to you if you dared make such assertions 200years ago.

Dared to make what assertion 200 years ago?

kkins25:
I agree.

So Jesus has led by example and we are adjured to follow His lead, follow it to the best of our abilities

kkins25:
yes indeed, most parents.

So does God, our heavenly Father

kkins25:
John 14:12 is about a combination of quantity, quality and/or extent yes, as long as quality is the mist important part.

"Greater things" is what was mentioned, as in, of ability, quality, of an extent, amount or measurable amount of a property, like, intensity, powerfulness, seriousness, greatness considerably above average or normal

budaatum:
[s]budaatum, is it true that Venus is the hottest planet in the solar system, that shes got the second hottest body in the entire solar system, beaten only by the sun and so too hot to want to be in any serious relationship with anyone? If Venus, Earth's hot sister, is out of a suitor's reach, and since you've given how to date a planet, why not also provide info, on how to date and marry her sister, earth, marry some other planet, marry sun, marry moon and/or even marry a star.

Some say, you never ask a lady her age, or it's rude to ask a woman planet her age. You would know this and can attest to it. How old are you budaatum?[/s]

Hiding it are we? You've just proved me right