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MuttleyLaff:
"God gave Jesus to die for our sins, and he raised him to life, so that we would be made acceptable to God"
- Romans 4:25

solite3:
that is true

solite3:
people who believe on Jesus and his redemptive work on the cross of calvary are those who are made acceptable to God.

solite3:
that is the harsh truth.
It means you will bear your sins.

jesusjnr:
That means you're still in the bus, if you don't see the similarities in doctrines, laws, principles etc. You know about stoning to death right, and eye for an eye, polygamy, ablution, animal sacrifices, violence etc., very similar and they still observe them up till date.

jesusjnr:
I'm silent about the bolded?

Haven't I already addressed that with the instance of His instruction for Israel to annihilate their brother Benjamin? Is it not also the same way Jehovah hated Israel so much because of their rebellious attitude He wanted to destroy them in the wilderness before Moses pleaded with Him?

You forgot about how Jehovah brought nations to render the land of Israel desolate for about seventy years?

I said it before, it's sentiments that makes you not see the similarities between the attitude of Allah and Jehovah. Pure sentiments and nothing else like most christians.

jesusjnr:
Wow! So Jesus had such a track record, yet your beloved Paul whose teachings you place above that of Jesus would still see Him as a heretic, proud, a blasphemer, false prophet etc. before Jesus arrested him, and told him the Truth.

So my question was, if you were there would you be any different from Paul who thought that about Jesus and persecuted His church before his conversion?

It's easier to talk about track record now, but then what would you have done when He brought things different from what they were used to?

You were so sure of yourself then that it wasn't Jesus who appeared to me until you got to know what transpired, and then you went to delete your previous comments. So why did you do that bro? Now you're so sure of me being under the influence of deceiving spirits right? I hope you don't delete this your comment oh!

Ok the works right? Is that your problem? So you can't see my works? Okay. Holy Spirit you have heard him oh! He asked me where are my works and you know it's not my job to do works. Okay oh.

Very soon we'd know who is deluded amongst the two of us, for I have quoted this your comment, so even if you delete yours, you can't delete my quote. You are still talking of track record sounds like a broken record to me for with all the track record of Jesus as you said, Paul, your beloved whose words you'd place above that of Jesus, still saw Him then as deluded, a heretic, a false prophet, a blasphemer etc., so are you sure track record is really your problem or you're just using it as flimsy excuse to justify your delusion?

I put it to you that you won't be any different, but you'd do the exact same thing to Jesus because of your erroneous orientation, but know it now that there were those who didn't need track record to believe in Jesus.

However speaking of track records, what was the track record of Paul your Lord, when he was trying to correct Peter who learnt from Jesus and Barnabas also who was there before him, and personally brought him to the apostles when they were yet afraid of him? Instead of learning from them the teachings of Jesus that works was important, he was trying to teach his erroneous antichrist doctrine of being justified by faith not by works. {Galatians 2:9-16}

Nothing was said of the opinion of James and John concerning him, but go and read the book of James Jesus' brother and tell me whose errors he was trying to correct and not Paul's justified by faith or saved by grace and not works or obedience according to Jesus.

A lot of people are in hell today because they believed Paul's erroneous teachings that they were being justified by faith or saved by grace, not knowing that at the end it's Jesus that would decide not Paul.

By the way i know that you are really lost, but I still think you're better than some here because you didn't use EnthronedbyGod backing of me to lie and allege false things against him as some others did. God bless you for that bro, it made you earn my respect to some extent.

Thanks.

budaatum:
Muttley, stop mentioning me in your word diarrhea!

jesusjnr:
Lol!

I'm laughing at the magnitude of your ignorance of the truth.

MrPresident1:
What I mean is that I will pin a crime on you and you will disappear. It is very easy to do really

jesusjnr:
Lol!

You are both on the same page working for the devil.

It's understandable why you dodged the question who the God of Ishmael was, as it's clearly written in the Bible you regard as the Word of God.

If it were in the Koran, you would say it was the devil.

Such a lying hypocrite!

MuttleyLaff:
jesusjnr self proclaimed prophet, son of disobedience, son of Belial why don't you vindicate your perverted position and redeem your tattered image by just showing one easy simple scripture, where God said He is the God of Ishmael.

Of course, God was with Ishmael, Abraham's son, but just show scripture, just one scripture that talks of God, declaring, specifically, that He is the God of Ishmael, a similar way He went out of His way, to declared He is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

jesusjnr:
We must be in the same bus if you believe the Torah which is similar to the Koran was given to Moses by God.

jesusjnr:
Is that who you think the God of Ishmael is?
Genesis 21:17-20 (KJV)

17 And God heard the voice of the lad; and the angel of God called to Hagar out of heaven, and said unto her, What aileth thee, Hagar? fear not; for God hath heard the voice of the lad where he is.
18 Arise, lift up the lad, and hold him in thine hand; for I will make him a great nation.
19 And God opened her eyes, and she saw a well of water; and she went, and filled the bottle with water, and gave the lad drink.
20 And God was with the lad; and he grew, and dwelt in the wilderness, and became an archer.

ichuka:
He's not just God but also our Father.
No one asks his father for bread and receives something else Mat7:7-8

Anas09:
What I mean by God does not explain is, He does not explain to us why He does things the way He does them.

Your question is, Why did God introduced Himself as the God of the three characters and not of Adam, or of Noah or of Enoch. And i said, It is His sole prerogative to do as He please, when He pleases.

His motives are not explained. This is not the same thing as asking for earthly material things which he has already said you should ask Him for.

If you insist that he explains to why, then you shd also demand an explanation as to why he placed the tree of Sin in the Garden where He placed and innocent Adam, knowing he wld eat it.

You shd ask why he didn't just kill Adam

Anas09:
and start all over again,

Anas09:
but left him and plunged the whole world into sin.

Anas09:
You shd also demand an answer why He didn't just obliterate Satan by throwing him straight to hell instead of casting him and his demons here knowing he wld cause Man to sin.

Anas09:
On this note I said, God does not explain his actions to anyone.

Anas09:
He is the Sovereign God doing all things after the counsel of His Will.

paxonel:
God don't need to declare himself as God of Adam for you to know that he is God of Adam.
Scriptures cannot possibly record that God declared himself as God of all the key figures in the bible who were faithful to God.

kkins25:
oh, as for me, im ok. I was at work today nd remembered the heated conversations... one of the down sides of being a softy..

the words were not addressed to me but kkins was hurt... how those conversation got to personal level beats me, I mean: I read through your conversatios and saw the names you guys were dishing yourself up nd down. Haba!!!!! Its like going to market nd witnessing jesus nd Buddha fighting over customers... haba!!!! MuttleyLaffs, haba!!! budaatum

Stop being a prima donna

You either need to get laid, get given a hard and steady fairk or its just that time of the month. Mtcheew! idiota referring others as idiots. Kettle calling pot black

You've joined the "you're seeking attention" gang abi?. Seeking attention kor, Sitting Atten-shun ni.

You're uptight about almost everything, small humour, come dey do face like somehow, so the main things that needs seeking attention for, is your uptight beautiful flower and your dry humourless bimbo brain

budaatum:
You seem to think it is literally and historically true.
https://www.nairaland.com/4960881/garden-eden-childs-view#74770060

Don't mention me with that fool again.

MuttleyLaff:
kkins25, fyi, notice bud fooling about.

Smh I was rubbing eyes, not believing what I was reading. I apologise for bud behaving badly at below link:
https://www.nairaland.com/5443357/allegory-garden-eden-account-fall/3#82692936

jesusjnr:
A - All For Jesus And His Words

T - Totally For Jesus And His Words

H - Hates Sin And Satan The Enemy Of Jesus And His Words

E - Eternally With Jesus And His Words

I - In Love With Jesus And His Words

S - Servant of Jesus And His Words

T - Till The Very End With Jesus And His Words. Amen!!!

to the devil and his works!

ladyGKilaBCrueD:
GOOD FOR YOU, SON

Shepherd00:
You are wasting your time. This person has had an agenda long before he registered his account in Nairaland. For 17 years he has been preaching for satan but boldly confessing that it has been the Lord.

It is not by self proclamation we know people, it's by their fruits.

shadeyinka:
Every thread on NL has a terminal post. I'm willing to wait a little more hoping that this is a satire from jesusjnr

realestniggah:
Well no one saw this coming

Apeshy101:
A statement released by the Public Relations Officer, DSS National Headquarters, Abuja, Dr Peter Afunaya, has debunked claims that Dr Chido Onumah was arrested in Abuja on Sunday.

The agency said Onumah was only engaged in an interaction during which an act of his capable of undermining public order and national security was explained to him.

Read full statement made available to News9naija below;

"The Department of State Service (DSS) wishes to make clarifications regarding media reports that Dr Chido Onumah was arrested by the Service. To set the records right, Onumah was never arrested by the Service. He was rather engaged in an interaction during which an act of his capable of undermining public order and national security was explained to him.

On his arrival at the Nnamdi Azikiwe International Airport, Abuja, on 29th September, 2019, it was discovered that Onumah wore a T-shirt with WE ARE ALL BIAFRANS inscription on it.

With credible intelligence that he might be a subject of mob attack if allowed to go into town in same cloth, the Service invited him and drew his attention to the implications of his probable (un)intended action.

It was strongly believed that an attack on Onumah would have sparked ethno-religious reprisals with dire consequences for law and order and public safety in the country.

He understood the issues and pledged not to engage in activities that may cause disaffection in Abuja and the country at large.
He subsequently removed the cloth with the inciting symbols and inscriptions and agreed not to use it.

The interaction between Onumah and the Service held in a convivial atmosphere. He appreciated the courtesies extended to him. Afterwards, the Servcie arranged for him to go back to his accommodation in town.

It is hoped that this clarification has dispelled the erroneous claims and reportage that he was arrested. The Service acted within the confines of its mandate and only carried out its routine security duty that could have been discharged by a similar agency in any part of the world. It is not out of place for concerned security agencies to have sought clarification from a traveller concerning a subject of security interest.

The DSS reaffirms its avowed commitment to the rule of law and protection of citizens and national critical assets.
Peter Afunanya, Ph.D.
Public Relations Officer
Department of State Services
National Headquarters, Abuja
29th September, 2019"
www.news9naija.com.ng/2019/09/30/dss-denies-arresting-activist-chido-onumah/

ask4double:
Happy independence fellow country men. It our hope that this country becomes habitable someday.

Switruth:
. The DSS just acted professionally. Or am I not reading the article right. Seems like a movie acted in Hollywood. DSS call you tell u say make u gently remove shirt and escort you reach house. Incredible.

kkins25:
Before wise king Solomon judged cases he asked to hear from the prosecuters and descendants. You the prosecutor prosecute but fail to tell us why? Even without knowing its fault the defendant has apologise but the prosecutor keeps crying for blood. Prosecutor, what troubles you? Prosecutor how can a doctor treat a patient without carrying diagnosis.. ?

Can buda please enlighten this fool of a child kkins?

Kkins definitely did not mean a date there, you dear buda is once again guilty of misinterpreting comments or statements. Cant two adults get acquainted over a nice meal in a nice restaurant? Do you rather prefer we rent a conference room and have presentation with 'slide one' titled; "hello im kkins from nairaland.com nd you"?
what ever is causing you to mis read the situation has clearly tinted your judgement.. there goes my effort in lightning up the mood.

You once advised me to read dear buda during one of your epistles to vaax, although I was reading- I had doubled my efforts. I'm hoping to get to your capacity someday but for now in this your state of mind I probably am a fool before your eyes. Im MuttleyLaffs alter ego which makes me the alter fool..lolzzz...

MuttleyLaff we all have engaged with each other for so long I think we are now somehow attached. Buda has indeed touched my mood today in a negative way. I was feeling pretty good before I saw buda comment. Didn't think id shot my eyes with such negatively lying around.

This really does defy the character the monicker buda is named after.

EFULEFU1:
May you perish in your lies in Jesus name
What has light got to do with darkness?
This guy is a Muslim

budaatum:
I am under the impression you have something to do with the social sciences and now wonder if I got the wrong impression. If you had studied such subjects, I would be surprised if the evidence does not suggest the opposite, that people died a lot younger than evenvwe today despite whatever the writers and authors of Genesis might have written.

budaatum:
We both know you have absolutely no evidence whatsoever for this, and the evidence does not support it.

budaatum:
Some say epochs. They are after all of a period when written information was sketchy and dates and age and history weren't kept properly.

budaatum:
The fact that I mentioned him is not fyi enough for you you had to do your evil thing muttley?

Smh.

budaatum:
No muttley. I would consider 930 years eternal life since the tenth or so of it I've lived so far seems like forever.

budaatum:
Some say Adam's age implies an epoch and not that of an individual called Adam, an idea many find unreligious.

budaatum:
There was no time of death stipulated in the text but you have attempted to rationalise it in light of evidence and with assumptions that you have no valid reason to make. Where did you get "a slow death" from if not from the fact that you know Adam did not die after he ate the apple

budaatum:
and what makes you think he would not have died eventually forbidden fruit or not?

budaatum:
You seem to think it is literally and historically true.
https://www.nairaland.com/4960881/garden-eden-childs-view#74770060
Don't mention me with that fool again.

RemiOAjayi:
I do not fall for this ur fiction and that of Reno as well, Bible should be taken as a face value how come God drove them out of the Garden of Eden? He said less they eat the fruit of life and they live forever ( is the tree of life also sex) ?

MuttleyLaff:
Having imaginary friends is not uncommon in some many growing up kid's lives, but they soon or later outlive the "usefulness and/or company" of those friends.

If you were someone that is bible literate, you would have known that:
1/ God is not an imaginary friend
2/ Religion that is true, pure and without any fault has to do with compassion. True, pure and one without any faults, has to do with having concern(s) for the sufferings or misfortunes of others and being sympathetic towards them

Legitimately laughing out loud at the emboldened. Smh.

"Nwanne, Christianity, never started in any upper room on any day of Pentencost. Christianity, as in, Constantine Christianity, in cahoot with the "church" started in Rome."
- Re: Oblate Eusebius Oguizu Is Dead: Founder Of Block Rosary Crusade In Nigeria Dies by MuttleyLaff: 8:33am On May 30

"... the catholic started Christianity, this so, because the Roman Catholic Church was formed, after shady deal(s) and/or sell-out to the State by the "Church", as it was the Roman Emperors Constantine's and Licinius' Edict of Milan in AD 313 which established a policy of religious freedom for all, as in, this was a proclamation that permanently legalised Christianity in the Roman Empire, and so paved the way for Christianity to be the official religion of the entire Roman Empire too.

The introduction of pagan religions and assimilation of paganism influences was a tragic compromise by the early believers, as this resulted in the Romanization and paganization of the early believers' faith and the "Christianization" of pagan beliefs as we not just know but celebrate then and celebrate even up until now.

Anyway, the Roman Empire, adopted the Roman Catholic Church (i.e. RCC) as "official" church during Roman Emperor Constantine's reign, and it's worth noting, that, the supremacy of the Roman bishop (i.e. the papacy or pope) was set up, put into place, aided and abetted through the support of the Roman Emperors (i.e. notably Constantine and his successors)

Recall that I earlier mentioned the Edict of Milan in AD 313, which was a letter signed by the Roman Emperors Constantine and Licinius, that proclaimed religious toleration in the Roman Empire, well, in AD 325, Constantine called the First Council of Nicaea in AD 325, in an attempt to unify Christianity when doctrinal disputes arose, like for example Arianism, all about doctrines named after Arius, a teacher in the early 4th century A.D and so Constantine presided over this first ecumenical church council

So quick recap, by the 1st century AD, ekklēsia birthed on the teachings of Jesus Christ and later founded on the day of Pentecost in the upper room with a bunch of 120 believers.

By the 2nd century AD - believers already denouncing teachings, seen as heresies, such as Gnosticism, Montanism etcetera.

In the 4th century AD - ekklēsia was transformed, emerged Christians, an evolved "church", finally gets legalized and then promoted by Emperors Constantine and Theodosius I, as the state church, of the Roman Empire and so yes also that, legendarymega is right, that the Catholics, are the original owner of your bible, because truly, the RCC are the original owner of your bible version(s), because incidentally and truly, those versions were made off the back of "The Vulgate", which was an accepted Latin translation of the original Old and New Testament texts.

Some even called, "The Vulgate", the "The Vulgar" bible. Anyway, Jerome, of RCC, was the person, who translated the original Old and New Testament texts and compiled them into a single volume of the 66 books we enjoy today"
- Re: Oblate Eusebius Oguizu Is Dead: Founder Of Block Rosary Crusade In Nigeria Dies by MuttleyLaff: 8:33am On May 30

I agree with you that Christianity was spread through violence and intolerance once Constantine and his mother Helena decided to make it the official state religion. I've on varied occassions, typed about how the churh was romanticised by Constantine and etcetera and also why I often type that, if only more christians read their bibles there'd be less christians.

Please dont be dishonest and desperate to make a point. The bible preaches passive resistance, love of peace, reconciling with adversaries, turning the other cheek, handing off the shirt on ones back etcetera