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TV01:
Ogbeni, there is no such thing as a "homosexual" person (LGBTQ+ people). There are people who due to dysfunction or moral reprobation engage in sexual acts that are against nature or, more properly, against Gods creational design and order.

"1,500 animal species practice homosexuality.
No species has been found in which homosexual behaviour has not been shown to exist,
with the exception of species that never have sex at all, such as sea urchins and aphis.
Moreover, a part of the animal kingdom is hermaphroditic, truly bisexual. For them, homosexuality is not an issue"
- Medical Science News Published: Monday, 23-Oct-2006

Aside the above from Medical Science News, firstly, what same sex couples engage in is not against nature, it is something that is done a lot in nature and so is considered normal. It might not be natural to us, being a heterosexual, but it is natural to them, those who are bisexual, homosexual, lesbian etcetera

Secondly, bisexual, homosexual, lesbian etcetera, contribute in their little way their quota in Gods creational design and order

TV01:
These people, and those who "have pleasure in them" (i.e. support, encourage or enforce) are actively engaging in what biblically is a sin. Unmistakable, unambiguous and unmitigated sin.

This trumped-up story is entangled in a web of poor lazy fake news and misinformation.

The bible has never said that there is anything abnormal with same sex couples nor in two easy going, ordinary consenting adults, minding their own businesses enjoying a life long caring, faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving each other lasting that's life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that has no detriment to another person, no betrayal of another person, or no cheating on another person, and not harmful to an object or neighbour, mutually caring for each other, mutually respecting each other, mutually contributing to the well being of society and most importantly loving each other with a love that's until death do apart.

You have no scriptural verse, nada, that says, same sex couples, as in, two easy going, ordinary consenting adults, minding their own businesses enjoying a life long caring, faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving each other lasting that's life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that has no detriment to another person, no betrayal of another person, or no cheating on another person, and not harmful to an object or neighbour, mutually caring for each other, mutually respecting each other, mutually contributing to the well being of society and most importantly loving each other with a love that's until death do apart are committing sin

I dare you, pretend poke you in the eyes, to produce robust and compelling evidence of scriptural verse that says, same sex couples, as in, two easy going, ordinary consenting adults, minding their own businesses enjoying a life long caring, faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving each other lasting that's life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that has no detriment to another person, no betrayal of another person, or no cheating on another person, and not harmful to an object or neighbour, mutually caring for each other, mutually respecting each other, mutually contributing to the well being of society and most importantly loving each other with a love that's until death do apart are committing sin. Good luck with that request.

TV01:
But, thank God, not irredeemable. People can be redeemed from this behaviour in Christ - as like for any other sin or outworking of man's sinful nature. 1 Corinthians 6:11.

Please stop all this proof-texting shenanigan

TV01:
Nobody is saying that those who engage in "homosexual" acts should be treated as you've described above. I don't even care or, care to reproach you for being a champion, or what I'd call a "homosexualist".

Why are you calling or referring to me as a "homosexualist", huh?

TV01:
My writing it to totally refute any attempt to normalise or sanctify this sinful behaviour by butchering, revising or simply ignoring the scriptural writ. You may well think you can, but you can't ride this beast you have mounted.

TV

You guys need to try learning to ride before jumping on your high horses sha. People like you, who is careless with the truth in small matters , like this, cannot be trusted with important matters. Look at how your writings are full of making the Bible say things it never said, didnt say and doesnt say and/or mean. You refuse to acknowledge and admit the historical context of the Bible verses you use to weaponise same sex couples with.

You lot are defeated warriors who go to war first and then seek to win. If you, personally, properly and literately read the bible, you would see the lies perpetrated about what really was and is abominable.

The difference between you, others, the likes of jesusjnr, elated177, Agrogbeide, Alexandro15, etcetera and me, is that I not only mounted the beast, rode and tamed it, but I slayed it too, then after that, dissected it, to find what it's been feeding on.

ThothHermes:
Understood.

Its as simple as that, that's the ultimate litmus test, Matthew 7:16 I mean hence no need asking questions

ThothHermes:
Lol
There is no need for details here. People interprete the Bible however they please. This is known. Also explains why there are many denominations. You see nothing wrong with it. Most Christians (Freeze and Deji Yesufu included I'll wager) see it as abominable. I consider this a big problem.

No, you dont make the Bible say things it never said, didnt say and doesnt say and/or mean. Please dont get things twisted.

You dont need man's affirmation and/or validation from men. You see ThothHermes, people are too busy putting their trust in other men, checking what they see as abominable and what some other person says, without even finding out or seeing for themselves, if it what they've learned, what's being taught, really lines up with the Bible or not, they've allowed the devil use them as a tool and fill their mind up as a garbage dump. Only if people will read the bible in its historical context, would they see the lies perpetrated about what really was and is abominable.

You created out of biblical illiteracy, truth decay, laziness, ignorance, distortion of fact(s) and fear of the unknown, what you've considered to be a problem.

ThothHermes:
A lot of people are being discriminated against. Kini big deal?

Things are done turn by turn, it's same sex couples rights' turn ThothHermes, so dont be so insensitive, indifferent and cold hearted to the unpleasant experience same sex couples face.

ThothHermes:
What are dental dams (too lazy to Google tonight) and what have they got to do with anything?

It's for protection if you havent got healthy teeth and gums, have sores or cuts in the mouth but you want to go down, to titillate the female g-sp0t and all with the tongue
cc jesusjnr, elated177, Agrogbeide, Alexandro15, Baddiezz, TV01

ThothHermes:
Why not? I always like to know exactly what a person believes to the minutest details. As that song by Nathaniel Bassey goes:

Little foxes and secret faults, shall spring surprises on that final day

I understand why you would not do same though

"By their fruits ye shall know them"
- Matthew 7:16

As I've said, I think what Freeze rather needs, is support and/or encouragement and not having a go at, as of yet.

ThothHermes:
You are also not very forthcoming about the details of your belief. I know that neither Deji nor Freeze would agree with your position on homosexuality for example and I grew up to understand Christianity as an all or nothing religion.
Thus, the side on which you belong as regards your thoughts on homosexuality will be decisive in the final reckoning.

I don't believe in a final reckoning anymore though. At least a reckoning of that sort.

If I should ask you to tell, what my position and/or activism for acceptance of and equality for same-sex couples is all about, you will start to stammer, begin chop teeth, take to flight and do an AWOL incommunicado

I left you off the hook with that your Olamide x Phyno – Ladi (Iranu Abasha) ft. Lil Kesh post the other day. I guess you havent heard of dental dams, right, because the tune was talking of activity between heterosexuals. I still have the post left 90% finished on my Mac. Meanwhile LGBTQ people, as we speak, are still being discriminated against, bullied, beaten up, shamed, abandoned, imprisoned, rejected and fear for their lives.
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ThothHermes:
I was about to mention you as I finished reading the thread only to see your comment. Is VBCampaig.n Deji?

They know each other

ThothHermes:
You are saying you agree completely with the thread?

Have you ever heard of the saying "keep your grass cut short, so as to see the snakes properly and/or clearly", that's what, to be honest, I think or guess that Freeze is doing with Suleiman, yet I still agree completely with VBCampaign and the thread but I personally wouldnt put Freeze on the spot, by asking him what he believes in, how much of the Reformation in the church he knows about etcetera because I know that Freeze is a very intelligent and incisive person.

I think what Freeze rather needs, is support and/or encouragement and not having a go at, as of yet.

VBCampaign:
Dear Daddy Freeze

I had tried to reach you privately with this letter but when you did not respond I decided to make the letter public. I had raised some questions in the letter that I considered salient to the ministry of anyone who may be engaged in some kind of reform of religion in a country and I feel that if you do not have the time to respond to the letter, perhaps some of your followers would be able to write a rejoinder. I am trying very much not to come to certain conclusions on you that might make one regard your campaign as self-seeking but if I am still not able to get answers to my questions, I would have no choice but to conclude so. Then one would have to warn those listening to you to beware of being deceived.

I am Deji Yesufu. I live and work in Ibadan. I have written articles on you before and I am grateful for your sharing some of them. I did a talk with TV Continental sometimes ago, where I mentioned you and the video went viral. That was the days of campaigning against tithing and so on.

What has occasioned my writing this letter to you this time is the recent associations you have been having with Apostle Johnson Suleiman. I watched the video you made about your reaching out to him and I saw the video he also made on you too. I noticed from your words, and some of the responses that I have been getting off the internet, that a lot of people in your movement are unhappy about your association with Suleiman and they feel you have let them down. You responded by saying that Suleiman showed sincere love to you and that out of respect, you needed to give him a hearing. I understand that both of you are talking a lot now and discussing doctrines and all of that. Please permit me to react to this matter first.

I think you are totally belittling the person of Johnson Suleiman. I remember that at the heat of your campaign against tithing, Suleiman made veiled references to you and used some very strong words against you. I hope you know that there was no “love” in his statements then. Today, because you have quite a following and influence, it behooves Suleiman to treat you with respect and thus the so called “love” he is displaying to associate with you. I think, and this can be disputed, that Suleiman is simply living up to his nature: he is a deceiver and he is deceiving you. The Bible tells us of false prophets who come to us as “angels of light”. This is what I believe Suleiman is and I would request that you beware of him. He would not come to you as the monster that he is; he would suck you in with deception and spit you out. The so called love he claims to be relating with you on, to say the least, is deceptive.

Second. The Free the Sheeple Movement have used the wrong parameters to judge Johnson Suleiman. Suleiman and others in the Pentecostal/Prosperity Churches are not deceivers because of scandals like the Stephanie Otobo case or because they buy private jet. They are deceivers because they preach a gospel that is not Christian. It is my hope that you have studied what many have written about the deceptive Prosperity Gospel that is prevalent in Nigerian Churches. If you have not, I have book references I can send to you. You need to know the history of these teachings and how many of the preachers, that teach it in our country, got to the point they did. The gospel of Prosperity is a message of hell and this is what makes them, primarily, deceivers. The way they live, the sins they cover up, their lavish and ostentatious lifestyle, is only an offshoot of the false gospel they believe.

At this point in this letter, I am compelled to ask you Daddy Freeze: what do you believe? If you do not have a well-structured and orthodox belief about Christianity, then the possibility of being blown around by every wind of doctrine abounds. You are essentially what you believe. Therefore, what do you believe? As a movement, do you have a list of doctrines you hold as beliefs? Do you have a creed? I understand the evolving nature of the movement and this is why it is important that the movement, and you as its leading figure, come under proper guiding light. And there is no greater guiding light in Christianity than the Holy Bible. But we also cannot separate what we believe from whom we learn the doctrines of scriptures from; God uses men to guide us into biblical truths. In Acts 18, Apollos came out as an individual able to refute the Jews’ false teaching. But he needed a Priscilla and Aquila to guide him to a more successful ministry. They taught him and he became an effective vessel in Christ’s hand. Every one of us need such guidance.

Freeze, there has been a Reformation in the church before. What do you know about it? What do you know about Martin Luther, Ulrich Zwingli and John Calvin? What do you know about how the Reformation affected Europe? What do you know about Dutch Reformed Theology? What do you know about men like John Owen, Jonathan Edwards, George Whitefield, John Wesley, C. H. Spurgeon, Martyn Lloyd-Jones? These were men whom God used to reform religion in Europe, England and America. What do you know about their ministries? If God would use you as a reformer today, do you think he would do anything different from what he did through these men in the past? The reason historical theology is important is because whatever we are debating and fighting today in Christianity, has occurred in the 2,000 year history of Christianity. Wise people simply study the past and replicate the lessons learnt. What do you know about reformed churches there in Nigeria, who are working underground to bring people to faith in Christ? I am saying, dear sir that you need to learn. It would help you in your work.

The problem with Christianity in Nigeria is more than what people do. It is essentially what people believe. Nigeria Christianity is a strange mixture of animism and Christianity. Thus, the result is that the churches are filled with false converts. This is how it affects you: In all my listening to you, I have not heard you make a personal statement of how you came to believe in Jesus Christ. Freeze, are you a Christian? Do you understand the core of the gospel? Do you know that more than social welfare, God’s ultimate desire is that all men may come to living faith in Christ? Is this the propelling force in your movement? You cannot give what you do not have. If you are not a Christian, you cannot see a reason to sell Christ to people. You may sell “reformation” and maybe even “aluta”, but only a converted heart knows that the most important information for a world reeling in sin is the gospel. I would like to hear you, one day, state how you came to living faith in Christ and I would want to see you make the gospel the underlying theme in your movement. When this happens, the people who hear you would not only shove off what is wrong; they would receive what is right: which is Christ Jesus himself.

With that, I wish to bring this letter to a close. Please you may reply this letter via my e-mail newdejix@gmail.com. I would be glad to hear from you and I do sincerely hope that by reading this letter you have not been offended but rather challenged to seek a more effective route to freeing God’s people from Nigerian deceptive Pentecostal movement.

Thank you.

Deji Yesufu.

Ibadan.

Wise men speak because they have something to say, so do not waste your candle when the sun is here. Knowledge speaks, wisdom listens.

Thank you VBCampaign for this serious and sincere warning about Suleiman etcetera to Freeze, I know him and Tastebuds habitually read posts here.

elated177, Captain? Hmm, its another one. Another tsk, tsk, tsk and your post again is kept out of sight.
I've told you, but you wont listen that divine intervention doesnt want to permit you guys post content that's homophobic, unsanitized & devoid of agape love. More bans until you repent and/or change

advocate666:
Jorgen Klopp: Liverpool will win the Premier League.
Hahahahahahaha.

A lion doesnt flinch at laughing coming from a demonic hyena.
Next year, is Liverpool's year, mark it down.

hoopLA:
Lol.

You know he used the f-word only once in that original video posted by OP

hoopLA:
I used to take you seriously. I now know better.

So one cannot play with you anymore. What have I now specifically done wrong to have diminished me in your eyes hoopLA?

hoopLA:
So you now choose your time for godly behavior. After the kids are asleep? Arent you extolling hypocrisy? I forgot. Most folk like you are hypocrites. Showing your best sides when it's all well and good.

I suspect you definitely know Jürgen Klopp had evil thoughts and/or intention(s) in his heart when he used the f-word right?
Mr Pontificating self, I suspect, you dont at all and never fart, even if you do fart, then your fart doesnt smell, as it automatically is deodorized, huh? Listen, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at Jürgen Klopp.

hoopLA:
Please go over to YouTube and verify your claim that he only swore once. I'll just leave it at that. Calling me a liar wont help your case. Stick to the facts instead of dancing around like a rabid butterfly around a wilting flower.
h t tps://youtu.be/OzKil5SAxjM
This was in April 2019. After a league match.Prime time tv.

h t tps://youtu.be/5OgKVRiGFrQ
January 2018.

h t tps://youtu.be/v2Csc1KGqWE
May 4 2019. After a thriller vs Newcastle.

h t tps://youtu.be/ezewrc4qTNA
May 7th after beating Barcelona.

Swore on live tv twice within a week. Some believer he must be. But ah, according to this MuppetLaff, the kids were asleep so it was ok for him. Since it's only kids who can be affected and influenced by his behavior.

I've given you four separate cases, three of which happened in this calendar year 2019. But as is typical of today's "Christian", you choose to call me a liar. But hey, you bunch are a horde of hypocrites. So it's none of my business if you brainwashed horde can spin 4 times into 1.

Lookatew, the bone of contention has always been about the original video OP posted, not other videos and that, in that video Jurgen dropped the f-bomb only once, plus with a good sense of checking its past the watershed time before doing it.

hoopLA:
I guess someone is lying and it is not me. I have far too much honor to lie. Unlike you two-faced vipers who put your best feet forward when everyone else is watching.

The thread was opened to celebrate Jürgen Klopp's stand and identifying with Jesus, but you had start fishing for faults, digging up videos, just to discredit him and criticise him. Why, why the strong hostility, did he snatch your missus, I very much doubt Jürgen Klopp will do that to his fellow man though

hoopLA:
Dont attempt to rope me in with your silly childish liar accusations.

Wetin pesin no go read here, please I dont know what spat transpired between you and Jurgen, or what personal grievances you have with him, so please resolve it amicably between yourselves and dont bring it here to Nairaland

hoopLA:
Hahahaha

You're pathetically miserable.
If Jurgen Klopp swears like a sailor on live tv, I cannot take his faith seriously, unless you are saying it is ok for you as a Christian to cuss,. How am I sure he isnt worse in real life,given that Klopp has always been one to project the Mr. Nice guy image all the time, yet keeps getting caught off guard with swear words on tv. Should it matter that even if he swore once, it was past the kids bedtime? Were you in every home where you can verify that all kids were safely in bed by the time he made that comment?

It's you hoopLA who is pathetically miserable, it's someone like you, who spends their looking for the faults (e.g. using the f-word) in others, who usually dont make time correcting their own

I've already commented on this, and will repeat that, throw the first stone if you have no sin in you, mister smell nice always.

hoopLA:
Lol.
As for Nicki Minaj, please spare me those rubbish excuses. Klopp is no different from her in my view given the words that come our their mouths. At least Nicki could be said to put up a charade as her character to make money. Klopp couldnt control himself to utter those words in the heat of emotion.
Didnt your bible that you thump and disturb everybody with say your "words should be seasoned with salt, edifying to the hearer?". Or maybe swearing is now edifying to you so called believers.

Exactly my point, thank you. Nicki Minaj, in her appearances, music and videos, uses her sexually arousing, seducing, male temptress character and expletives to make money. Jürgen Klopp doesnt, he uses the f-word on a day of heartwarming moments, like when asked questions during a post match interview

hoopLA:
MuppetClown,
Like I said, I used to take you seriously. But I think I grossly overrated you.
Now please read my original comment below.
Then tell me where I had a problem with Jesus being the most important person in history, as you put it.

I am always real and real to myself. Remember my earlier comment, where I said, Jesus would understand, that besides he checked the time to see its past the 9 o'clock watershed before using the f-word

I also gave a personal experience about myself, that the only language a snarling dog barking at me, the other day, understood, was me saying to it, in an assertive manner: Get the "f" out of here. It scampered, tail behind its legs literally and in the real sense, after I dropped the f-bomb, by telling it to get the foxtrot uniform charlie kilo out of there.

hoopLA:
I know reading and comprehension is gradually becoming a lost art, but even then you plumb the depths of mediocrity with your post.
I'll just leave it at that.
When you Christian folk are ready to get serious, the whole world will know and you wont need to shout.

Chief, getting fairked, is a common occurence in the Bible, people got fairked a lot, from Adam to Abraham, from John the Baptist to Jesus, everyone, at one time of the other got fairked, Judas fairked Jesus up with a kiss and thirty pieces of silver, so what are you on about, getting your knickers tied up in a knot, huh?

hoopLA:
I'm done with your ignorance.
Argue with your keyboard.

This is like coal calling snow black and then trying to run off after slapping another, without waiting afterwards, to see if any reaction. Doing a hit and run
Guv'nor, it hasnt come this, doesnt have to, now. Instead of putting matter wey no concern for head like shrimp, why cant you chillax? I'll still get you a present on your birthday, you still one of my fav buddies

hoopLA:
You're a hypocrite.

If you weren't, you would have a problem with his frequent swearing.

You are the bloody hypocrite and telling fibs with exaggeration.

Jürgen, said the f-word only once, that's one time. He even had the sense to check the time, it was 10:10pm, before he utterred the word

hoopLA:
But hey, anything to push a narrative with an endorsement of sorts by a "celebrity". As usual you will piggyback on his "endorsement" without realizing that the world is becoming churchy just because it would seem fashionable.

Have a look at this:

h t tps://youtu.be/oyhp3IZuxvI

This is Nicki Minaj, pop superstar also extolling the virtue of Jesus. Aren't you going to do a feature on her too? Need I say more?

But of course, with you being shallow and superficial, I dont expect you to get my point, which is that you DO NOT NEED A SUPERSTAR OR CELEBRITY TO REMIND US OF WHAT WE ALREADY KNOW. It is this madness that has let all sorts of people desecrate altars. e.g comedians and entertainers turning your churches to circuses.

Jürgen's track record about his faith and relationship with Jesus, over the years are well known, but you however went to dig out a Nicki Minaj paid collaboration done two years ago in 2017 and of which similar never since then has been repeated, to make a weak case

OLAADEGBU:
Jesus is the most important Person in History. If you agree say Amen and if you disagree say oh me.

I really dont know what the brother's grouse is with Jesus is the most important Person in History and Jürgen Klopp.

Image123:
No one is sweeping away Fleming and his likes. He has been honoured and is still being honoured. If you want to honour him more, maybe you can worship him or tattoo his face on your genitals to register your support and love for his worthiness.
You can't even save yourself from bedwetting, not to assume saving others. Jesus is the Saviour of the world and He wants to save your sorriness.

This my dear nwanne Image123 sef, what has pesin blokos got to do with matter at hand here now?
Is that the latest fad or thing in town to be doing now?

generationz:
Thanks.
I enjoyed this exposé

Iron sharpeneth iron
- Proverbs 27:17a

You're welcome, all the glory belongs to God.

Originakalokalo:
Exodus 33 'verse.. 19 to 23...

Moses said.. Show me your glory God..

God replied..

" And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before thee;

and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy."
(Exodus 33: 19)

God said... You cannot see my face and live..

You should stay on a rock near me and I will hide you in a cliff. and I will cover you with my hand while I pass.

Then I will pass and you will see my back...

What!!!!!!!!! God honoured this guy Moses... I am sure he had to reduced himself so that Moses can see a part..

He created the sun. Can Moses stand 10 feet to the sun?

This is mystery :

How do you think Moses wrote the book of Genesis when he was not created then?

Because he saw a part of God.. Some revelations became visible to him..

This guy!!! This Moses!!! This Gooodddddddd!!!!!!!

Your face, your eyes, to be precise, is the window to your soul, and I think its Oscar Wilde, that said a man's face is his autobiography.

Notice that God's Exodus 33:19-20 reply, to Moses' Exodus 33:18 daring and audacious request, where Moses said: "I beseech thee, shew me thy glory.", was:
"¹⁹I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy.
²⁰And He said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live."

Moses wanted to know about tomorrow, but God said, no, as nobody knows about tomorrow and live. Tomorrow is a mystery. Nobody can see into tomorrow to know what is going on in it nor the future about what's going on in it.

Anyway, God, climbed down a bit, and in effect, told Moses that, He will put Moses in the cleft of the rock and he will see His back. He will show him His back, as in, the past, show him about yesterday(s). He will show Moses how He started creation, show him how He created the first man and woman, show him how He did all the good things, that all His goodness He will cause them to live stream before Moses. He will demonstrate and clearly show the truth of His name by showing Moses proof and/or evidence of it, but His face, Moses cannot see, he can't see into the future.

So Moses literally was subjected to watching a playback of events. Creation was wound back to the beginning for Moses to watch, it was like as if, Moses, with popcorn in hands, was watching a rewinded film or movie video. That in essence, is how the Pentateuch got written, that was how Moses got and managed to write up the book of Genesis

hoopLA:
h ttps://youtu.be/Kk4utjgLDhc

h ttps://youtu.be/KYjJjmaC-uk
Jurgen Klopp using words on tv that Christ would be proud of.

Jesus would understand, besides he checked the time to see its past the 9 o'clock watershed before using the f-word

The only language a snarling dog barking at me, the other day, understood, was me saying to it, in an assertive manner: Get the "f" out of here. It scampered, tail behind its legs literally and in the real sense, after I told it to get the foxtrot uniform charlie kilo out of there.

generationz:
I already did in quote na . Which bible you dey use?

I didnt know you already have. I use all and/or any available bible translations

generationz:
OK kjv

I'll tell you all that's in your heart

"And Samuel answered Saul, and said, I am the seer: go up before me unto the high place; for ye shall eat with me to day,
and to morrow I will let thee go, and will tell thee all that is in thine heart"
- 1 Samuel 9:19 KJV

"Samuel answered Saul: "I'm the seer. Go up ahead of me to the high place, and eat with me today.
In the morning I'll send you away and tell you everything that is on your mind."
- 1 Samuel 9:19 ISV

"And Samuel answereth Saul and saith, 'I am the seer; go up before me into the high place, and ye have eaten with me to-day,
and I have sent thee away in the morning, and all that is in thy heart I declare to thee.
- 1 Samuel 9:19 Young's Literal Translation

generationz:
Are you saying God Chose Saul because he wanted it. Even if it wasn't Gods perfect Will

so anything I want in my heart will be granted?

God chose Saul because He could see from Saul's thoughts and aspirations that he wanted to be a king. Though, it wasnt God's perfect will, God permitted Saul's dream and wish, all the same, a handsome young man. There was not a man among the people of Israel more handsome than he. From his shoulders upward he was taller than any of the people, to come true.

Look at Saul's pretence response in 1 Samuel 9:21, pretending like he isnt at all interested, to what Samuel, in 1 Samuel 9:20 said about him: "But who is it that the people of Israel want so much? It is you--you and your father's family."

You can want anything in your heart generationz but remember the buck ends with God. Remember Jesus' prayer in Matthew 26:39: "“My Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as you will.”"

FOLYKAZE:
Keep your sermon till Sunday.

Not about sermonising at all my dear captain Don Juan sire. All I've said can be summarised into sex without mutual love, is a meaningless experience.

FOLYKAZE:
Sex is life. Thank you

Yes, I concur, sex is the gateway to life. Life is not just about sex though, but its true that having sex makes life a lot more fun

XxSabrinaxX:
A subscription to bangbros isn't the same thing as paying for sex.

Its paying to wànk,... which is sad really when there are websites that stream porn for free. Or better still rump with your wife

Just pointing this out....

FOLYKAZE:
Wànk is still sex (with myself)

Bangbros provides videos in high dimensions and from professional adult actors/actress. Xvideos is full of bad quality and not professionally shot videos.

And the live stream on bb. Jesus!!!

Wànk is still sex (with yourself) which is with someone you love. I hope you love yourself.

FOLYKAZE:
You havent apologize for breaking my heart, you are ignored

What part of she dont want you, and/or she isnt interested, dont you understand
Go get someone else your age range. I think your sex drive is too high for the amount of sex you currently are having or not having

generationz:
Makes sense

More than that, it makes sense die, "makes sense" was the spice and sauce added to what you earlier served up

generationz:
"I'll tell you want you want to know"
Hmmm

I always thought that was in relation to the donkeys. Just reread it now.

OK, but still, you tell generationz, type here, the exact words Samuel said to Saul, I mean what he told Saul first, before telling him anything in relation to the missing donkeys, remember told him not to worry about the missing donkeys, as they've already been found? So repeat here generationz, Samuel's exact words, in 1 Samuel 9:19, to Saul, please, 1 Samuel 9:20 was about the missing donkey

elated177, Captain? Hmm. Another tsk, tsk, tsk. Na wa ooo another kept out of sight post
I've told you divine intervention doesnt want to permit you guys post content that's homophobic, unsanitized & devoid of agape love

jesusjnr:
Sorry for insulting him?
Lol!

Trust me you'd soon insult him again, until thy kingdom come, for this guy seems to be a case of nuts.

"God will bless you when others hate you and won't have anything to do with you.
God will bless you when people insult you and say cruel things about you,
all because you are a follower of the Son of Man."
- Luke 6:22

I am a bless person, because Jesus in Luke 6:22 says so, that I am blessed when insulted etcetera

So, now dear Religion forum infamous #1 serial slanderer, I couldn't help but notice that "awesoME" ends with "ME" and "Ugly" starts with "U" It is because of people like you, the reason we have middle fingers.

Insults, by the way, are the last resort of insecure people with a crumbling position, who are not standing on firm ground and/or who have lost their ground

jesusjnr:
Look at someone that kept mentioning you since you first mentioned us together in that instance.

Now you've eternally formed a part of his mentioning crew. Lol!

Well he can mention me until the day of his last mentioning me, but knowing him to this extent I'd be a big fool to dignify his mentions with a response until it's beyond doubt that some drastic change has happened to his mind.

God bless you.

The vainest person I've ever come to know on the Religion forum has to be you, you're just so up yourself, a nasty little piece of work, creep and a publicity seeker. The fyi and/or fya are just that and nothing more, the mentioning are not for soliciting a response, and definitely not soliciting a response from someone like you, whose roguish opinion(s) is not valued anyway, so stop reading more than necessary into them. The mention(s), as it happens, is merely recommending, to read the posts. It is an opportunity to get education, sense, common sense and sense wiseness from being exposed to the reality, facts and truths it. Reading the mention(s), in secret, is not a crime.

It isnt like, you kill me, when you untrust my facts and cowardly arms covering your face, and sticking fingers in ears hide from them, is it? If only you knew, how insults, never affect me. Even if you insult me and get your satisfaction, if I noticed it, I merely will accept your opinion and just increase my tolerance, there's that. If I am to feel insulted, like I've hinted earlier, I must first value your opinion.

Baddiezz:
I'm sorry for insulting you

"⁷For I endure insults for your sake; humiliation is written all over my face.
⁸Even my own brothers pretend they don’t know me; they treat me like a stranger.
⁹Passion for your house has consumed me, and the insults of those who insult you have fallen on me."
- Psalm 69:7-9

Psalm 69:7-9 above aside, he who allows himself to be insulted deserves to be, so tell, where and when have you being told you insulted me nwanne, huh? Or is this a case of, nothing is more wretched than a guilty conscience huh?

Though Jesus I try not to get insulted, so as not to deny me of the advantage of an opportunity to share knowledge and/or information. This is primarily why I dont get easily upset, I won't be wronged and I won't be insulted. I don't insult, dont do the thing to other people, and I require the same from them.

I learned to forgive those who insult me, attack me, belittle me, and/or take me for granted, so Baddiezz, your sin, already is forgiven, go and sin no more

matify83:
What a brazen effrontery!!

When christiandom starts frolicking with diabolism, just know that CHRIST is not the message of such assembly.

This is highly despicable and proposterous.

Acort789:
See mind o

[quote author= post=78401388]See drama o......[/quote]Na ghen ghen be that ooo

Of course, having sex has become overrated since it isnt anymore done properly. Being promiscuous and/or unprincipled in sexual matters is not a virtue, neither is feeling or revealing an overt sexual interest or desire for anyone, on in here or elsewhere, other than your life long partner or yourself

generationz:
Jacobs home was a terrible place for children to grow up in

This was because the man of the house wasn't really a man

It was a typical polygamous home , as we see today were bickering, malice and selfishness pervades the atmosphere

Nothing grows , nothing works

It got to the extent that the man of the house didn't even have a say on the names of his children

If you read the whole of Genesis 29 -30 you'll see that it was his wives that were given the kids names.

Off course , it is expected that when angry women give names they give according to their anger.

In other words, they give to "pepper" their mates.

That was Leah's agenda.

She didn't have the love of her husband but she had the children and would use that against her sister.

If you read through Genesis 29 vs 31 to 34

Genesis e LORD saw that Leah was not loved, he enabled her to conceive, but Rachel remained childless. Leah became pregnant and gave birth to a son. She named him Reuben, for she said, “It is because the LORD has seen my misery. Surely my husband will love me now.”
She conceived again, and when she gave birth to a son she said, “Because the
LORD heard that I am not loved, he gave me this one too.” So she named him Simeon.
Again she conceived, and when she gave birth to a son she said, “Now at last my husband will become attached to me, because I have borne him three sons.” So he was named Levi

You would see that all the three kids God gave Leah out of mercy she kept trying to use them to get affection from her husband.

She never returned the glory to God who looked upon her with mercy.

She kept using her sons to "pepper" her sister forgetting that it is God who gives children.

All the meanings of their names don't give glory to God but to her ability to bear children and her selfish desires.

It wasn't until Vs 35 she received sense

She conceived again, and when she gave birth to a son she said, "THIS TIME I WILL PRAISE THE LORD." So she named him Judah. [ 5 ] Then she stopped having children.

JUDAH means praise

Judah was the first of Jacobs seed that was dedicated to God.

Leah left her canality at that point and was became spiritual, just like Peter when he confessed Jesus was the son of God.

Remember Samuel. God sealed Anna's womb until she dedicated her first child to him.

Many mother's have been responsible either knowingly or unknowingly dedicating their Sons to God to become pastors.

God works in mysterious ways you know.

That dedication put the seal on the fruits of Judah. Despite his own short comings.

He was a drunk and had twins with a Canaanite woman.

Judah was the progenitor of the saviour, Joseph was the sstar child of the house of Jacob

"²⁶Then Judah said to his brothers, “What profit will we gain if we kill our brother and cover up his blood?
²⁷Come, let us sell him to the Ishmaelites and not lay a hand on him; for he is our brother, our own flesh.” And they agreed.
²⁸So when the Midianite traders passed by, his brothers pulled Joseph out of the pit and sold him for twenty shekels of silver to the Ishmaelites, who took him to Egypt"
- Genesis 37:26-28

"⁸And Judah said to his father Israel, “Send the boy with me, and we will go at once, so that we may live and not die—neither we, nor you, nor our children.
⁹I will guarantee his safety. You may hold me personally responsible! If I do not bring him back and set him before you, then let me bear the guilt before you all my life.
¹⁰If we had not delayed, we could have come and gone twice by now.”"
- Genesis 43:8-10

¹⁸But Judah approached him and begged him, “Your Excellency, please allow your servant to speak to you privately.i Please don’t be angry with your servant, since you are equal to Pharaoh.
¹⁹Your Excellency asked his servants, ‘Do you have a father or brother?’
²⁰and we answered Your Excellency, ‘We have an aged father and a younger child who was born when he was old. His brother is now dead, so he’s the only surviving son of his mother. His father loves him.’
²¹“But then you ordered your servants, ‘Bring him here to me so I can see him for myself.’
²²So we told Your Excellency, ‘The young man cannot leave his father, because if he were to do so, his father would die.’
²³But then you told your servants, ‘Unless your youngest brother comes back with you, you won’t see my face again.’
²⁴Later on, after we had gone back to your servant, my father, we told him what Your Excellency had said.
²⁵“‘Go back,’ our father ordered, ‘and buy us a little food.’
²⁶“But we told him, ‘We can’t go back there. If our youngest brother accompanies us, we’ll go back, but we cannot see the man’s face again unless our youngest brother accompanies us.’
²⁷“Then your servant, our father, told us, ‘You know my wife bore me two sons.
²⁸One of them left me, so I concluded “I’m certain that he has been torn to pieces,” and I haven’t seen him since then.
²⁹If you take this one from me, too, and then something harmful happens to him, then it will be death for me and my sad, gray hair!’
³⁰“So when I go back to your servant, my father, and the young man isn’t with us, since he’s constantly living life focused on his son,
³¹when he notices that the young man hasn’t come back with us, he’ll die, and your servants really will have brought death to your servant, our father, along with his sad, gray hair!
³²Also, your servant pledged his own life asm a guarantee of the young man’s safety. I told my father, ‘If I don’t bring him back to you, you can blame me forever.’
³³Therefore, please allow your servant to remain as a slave to Your Excellency, instead of the young man, and let the young man go back home with his brothers.
³⁴After all, how can I go back to my father if the young man doesn’t accompany me? I’m afraid of what might happen to my father.”
- Genesis 44:18-34

We all have our frailties, Jacob you, others and I, so I can live with all you typed up above, it's good and tasty, but let me add the spice and sauce to it to give it more kick.

We know that Judah wasnt even the firstborn, he was the fourth born, but he apparently was a naturally born leader, hence how he was able to take lead and convince his brothers not to kill little boy Joseph, but to sell him off into slavey. It is this first initiative in Genesis 37:26-28 above and the other two opportunities in Genesis 43:8-10 and Genesis 44:18-34 also above, where he, Judah as usual, acted before others did, to assume power, lead and take charge of tricky situations, that singled him out as worthy to have that blessing.

"⁸Then Judah said to Er's brother Onan, "Go and sleep with your brother's widow.
Fulfill your obligation to her as her husband's brother, (i.e. apparently as the levitical law marriage requires) so that your brother may have descendants.
²⁴About three months later, Judah was told, “Your daughter-in-law Tamar has prostituted herself, and now she is pregnant.”
“Bring her out!” Judah replied. “Let her be burned to death!”
²⁵As she was being brought out, Tamar sent a message to her father-in-law:
“I am pregnant by the man to whom these items belong.”
And she added, “Please examine them. Whose seal and cord and staff are these?”
²⁶Judah recognized the items and said,
“She is more righteous than I, since I did not give her to my son Shelah.” And he did not have relations with her again. "
- Genesis 38:8, 24-26

Judah was not just someone with leadership traits, he also was a stickler for the law and/or rules. He, in his quest, to follow rules and standing up for others, is known to insists on things be done in a certain way. Like for example, in Genesis 38:8 above, where Judah insisted and compelled Onan to do the right thing for his dead brother and his wife, Tamar. It was same Judah, who inadvertently and technically himself, at the end, performed the levirate marriage law duty for Tamar and later on in Genesis 38:26, also saved her from being burnt to death for deemed to have had illicit sex.

"The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come;
and unto him shall the gathering of the people be."
- Genesis 49:10

Now the sceptre, is an ornamental staff held by a ruling monarch, as a symbol of power, and so, Jacob was going by Judah's antecedents and track record, when he pronouced the blessing on Judah the way or manner he did in Genesis 49:10 above.

generationz, cycling back to Saul after all the above, said about Judah, do you know the exact words Samuel said to Saul, I mean what he told Saul first, before telling him not to worry about the missing donkeys, as they've already been found?
Repeat here the exact words, what Samuel told Saul, please, if you do.

FOLYKAZE:
There was no mentioned of the embolden in the scripture. Could it be I couldn't find it in my own version of genesis?

If you do some research of your own you will find the proof of this in the bible

FOLYKAZE:
Since 1 cor 15:45 is the beam light on this subject, permit me to deploy the tactic I used in the past that helped me understand bible more better.

1 cor 14:45 in other versions

CSB So it is written, The first man Adam became a living being ; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit.

CJB In fact, the Tanakh says so: Adam, the first man, became a living human being; but the last “Adam” has become a life-giving Spirit.

CEV The first man was named Adam, and the Scriptures tell us that he was a living person. But Jesus, who may be called the last Adam, is a life-giving spirit.

AMPC Thus it is written, The first man Adam became a living being (an individual personality); the last Adam (Christ) became a life-giving Spirit [restoring the dead to life].

AMP So it is written [in Scripture], “The first MAN, Adam, BECAME A LIVING SOUL (an individual);” the last Adam (Christ) became a life-giving spirit [restoring the dead to life].

If you noticed carefully, the verses describe soul as Individual, personality, and living being. While the spirit is describe as the animating force.

The difference is not far fetched as the verse in those versions have explained it.

Soul in that contest is a living person, individual or human.

Spirit is the animating force.

And that applies to all the bible verses you quote.

I had previously already said that, it is ruach, the Spirit from God, that keeps the human body animated. I also typed that, when the spirit, as in the breath, returns back to God, the body slumps and the soul goes into comatose. It is similar to a TV animated cartoon moving character reverting to a one dimensional unanimated, as in no more moving cartoon strip character on a comic book or magazine paper.

You still havent been able to tell the distinction between a living soul and quickening spirit because you dont really know what the difference is

FOLYKAZE:
Thanks for the isipaya. He don tay I open bible

Dont be daft. What are friends for, you'll probably do same for me, if shoe was on the other foot

Make it a regularly habit though brushing up the bible, if not you'll get truth decay

FOLYKAZE:
Souls and spirit even though they are not the same can be used interchangeably.

Since body is mentioned, spirit was replaced by soul. I would like to see where body, soul and spirit is mentioned separately in same verse

"Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me."
- Psalm 51:10

"I pray that God, who gives peace, will make you completely holy. And may your spirit, soul and body be kept healthy and faultless until our Lord Jesus Christ returns."
- 1 Thessalonians 5:23

FOLYKAZE, o ye of little faith. As with the Psalm 51:10 verse, the heart is linked with the mind, which is part of the soul

FOLYKAZE:
You are sounding like a member of the Christian cult. Thought you were a catholic or a mainstream christo

Dont get distracted and please dont start deflecting from matter on hand

FOLYKAZE:
None given yet

You will say this, wont you, besides whats the point in me wasting gun powder, huh?

FOLYKAZE:
Yoruba spirituality holds that one chooses his/her Ori. Akunleyan

[img]https://s3/images/cosmos.jpg[/img]
You mean, as in, like that Ori thing, in the top right corner of above screenshot capture grab, huh?

FOLYKAZE:
Maybe when I have more insight on how consciousness works, I will discuss more on this.

If you say so

FOLYKAZE:
Do you know that Yoruba people believe everything including the inanimate objects like stone or water are conscious? If they are, they don't have brain. So how does their consciousness work?

I will appreciate your view on this

It is a good thing they do, as consciousness works in different and diverse ways.
The sea hasnt got a "brain" but it is conscious enough to know when to come to shore and recede?
How is a seed buried in the soil, conscious to know how to die and later spring back to life sprouting, hmm?
Geologists are known to stubbornly maintain that stones are living organisms and so stones like diamond breathe
The Religion forum is conscious of what you type and so with the help of your browser is able to render the content(s) of your typing

Brain is not necessarily always physical, it can be abstract as well. Are you aware that your stomach has a brain, hmm?

FOLYKAZE:
Love, I dont think there are.

Just made my point, about an example or case with a limiting factor, that there are areas of limitation in Yoruba cosmos, like this love thing for example.

FOLYKAZE:
Please note that I am not an authority on Yoruba spirituality. Not even an Awo. I just love the philosophy as it helps me know my people and know more about my cultural heritage, belief and worldview. This is the reason I invest more time about knowing it more better. There are some things I can't know without been initiated into Awo.

You are just as me, I just love the philosophy too, as it helps me know my people and myself better and know more about my cultural heritage, belief and worldview.

Shepherd00, what is stopping you go ahead to answer to those four questions

Shepherd00, didn't I say I'll believe it when I see you answer the question. I am not surprised you're not a man to keep to your promise and words. Look at you dodging those four questions again now. I have answered all yours, haven't I?

generationz:
hold up

Saul never nursed kingship in his heart . Intact if you read the book of Samuel he was very timid contrary to his tall , strong and handsome physique. When Samuel wanted to present him to the people he went and his in between the sacks . It was this same timidity that made him mame decisions based on fear rather than on faith in God. gradually, timidity turned to very strong envy that led to the perpetration of wickedness against David and the priests Saul killed.

I believe God only choose him because David ( the rightful heir and seed) wasn't yet born or was still a toddler and the people were impatient. The people told God " Give us a king LIKE the nations around us " - impatience.

God actually planned for a king from whose line Jesus will come but they weren't patient enough for his perfect will so Saul was his permissive will and Saul messed up bad.

God also gave a tall, strong and handsome man like Saul who was a contrast to David both in physique and in heart to show us that he never looks at the outward but the inward

Saul was from a rich family , David a poor one

Saul was noble from birth , David a poor shepherd

Saul was tall and handsome, David ruddy and rough

But Saul's heart in a little discomfort would cut corners and do evil. David , even when his life was on the line( Saul wanted to kill him) chose to obey God.

Nobody will see David and see a king, not even his own father. But the ways of God are not the ways of man.

Which little boys life?

For your second answer, I already know why God chose Judah but I won't say anything.

Shalom sir

I never had a question that warranted a second answer sister.

Sister, God's original plan was to be Israel's King, but Israel weren't having none of that and so too Saul secretly nursed to be king hence how he because of circumstances got the crown.

The little boy, the greater tomorrow come true, who really later became a big shot when he turned into being a prime minister is the one sister.

The more information I share, the less visible you see sister, so why not just go ahead and share what you think or say it is, why God chose Judah to bless him the way he was so blessed, please?

generationz:
I also noticed this prophecy a long time ago

Does that mean Jacob was divinely inspired when pronouncing both blessings and curses on his kids or was he only divinely inspired for Judah? because this is clearly a prophecy and not just a prayer.

If God chose the house of Judah to be the house of the future king David, why did God then choose Saul knowing fully well that the sceptre wouldn't depart from the house of Judah?

The Israelites wanted a king, so when Saul, nursed the idea of being king over Israel in his mind, his showed interest, thereby made him an available candidate, this paved way for God to select him as a people's choice when the Israelites yearned to have an earthly and human king just ike everyone else around them had.

generationz:
Did Judah do anything to warrant this special treatment of his descendants being singled out as heirs to the throne of Israel?

I know the children of Levi did when they killed their country men to stop their profanity

Yes, he did do something to warrant this special treatment of his descendants being singled out as heirs to the throne of Israel. He saved, a greater tomorrow, little boy's life.

FOLYKAZE:
Revealing the Bible verse where God injected 'soul' into the moulded body of Adam or man would be a great service because such doesn't exist base on what i know of.

You are using the expression of facts wrongly FOLYKAZE because the "soul" was created along with the "body", it is the "spirit", (i.e. ruach or breadth of God) correctly that was injected into the moulded body of Adam, as in, via Adam's nostril

FOLYKAZE:
The verse you quote above has no relevance to the question asked. In fact, the soul in that context is not definite. It could applies to living being, person or individual.

Be careful what you wish for, you know I could stuff you up until you choke on them, verses that are relevant and back up this.

FOLYKAZE:
Let me use the passage in book of genesis 2:7, the verse explained that after God breathe into the inanimate craft, it became a living soul. Some translations use the word living being.

That verse above indicates that a 'soul' is an animated person or simply living being. It clearly shows that soul is not a distinctive material.

And when you look at Ecclesiastes 11:5, it reads: As you do not know how spirit comes to the bones in the womb of a woman with a child,...

If there has been an entity called soul, the bible verse above would have mentioned it. However, it pointed out that a foetus is only animated with spirit. When the spirit comes into it, it become a living soul.

Deut 46:18, the verse noted that Leah bores sixteen 'souls' to Jacob. Another translation uses persons in place of soul.

The above proves a soul is a complete animated person.

"For the word of God is living and active.
Sharper than any double-edged sword, it pierces even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow.
It judges the thoughts and intentions of the heart."
- Hebrews 4:12

"And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit."
- 1 Corinthians 15:45

Do you understand the difference and meaning of 1 Corinthians 15:45's above "living soul" and "quickening spirit" huh?

FOLYKAZE:
I disagree sir.

Remember me the prophet God asked to bring back to life dry bones. Can't remember the name... He don tay I enter church or read anything outside Ecclesiastes and proverb in the bible.

Ezekiel, and church by the wa, that is ekklesia, is organic and not a physical structure or building. You can disagree as long as you like, it doesnt change the facts.

FOLYKAZE:
The prophet brought back life into a dry bone. At no time was soul mentioned in the process of resurrection.

That is if soul is 'self'

"And you should not be afraid of those killing the body but not being able to kill the soul.
Indeed rather you should fear the One being able to destroy both soul and body in Gehenna."
- Matthew 10:28

Asides Matthew 10:28 above, can you now appreciate me earlier saying, the Soul is the most important existence of Man and that is why the battle is and always has been about or over the Soul. All attacks, are ultimately targeted at and/or for the Soul.

FOLYKAZE, the prophet was carried away by the Spirit of the LORD to a valley filled with bones, all this was in a state of vision

FOLYKAZE:
Guy you don join one of these mystic christian churches. Where did you find the above in the bible?

You're asking because yo know its all true, isnt it?

FOLYKAZE:
No bible backing

Wrong, loadsa bible backing more than you'd ever imagine

FOLYKAZE:
I really can't it explain if consciousness is part of the brain or if it stands alone outside brain.

What I know if that our purpose here is to experience.

Yes, gain experience on God's terms and way or gain it our terms and way. Man chose the latter and the rest is obviously now history

Consciousness is part of the mind. We are conscious because we have minds. What comes out of the heart and mind is processed in the brain inconjunction with the soul, influenced by either the body or spirit. The faculties of the Soul comprises of the Mind (i.e. consciousness and sub consciousness) or Intellect, Will or Freewill, and Emotions

FOLYKAZE:
Awaye wa na oja ni. Bi aba n'aja tan, a fabo sile.

Meaning we are on earth to trade, after trading, we all return home.

Aragbe laye. We trade to be on earth.

Trade there is to have experience.

Yes oo, as Earth is a market place and school, whilst experience is the hardest kind of teacher of all. It gives you the test first and the lesson afterward.

FOLYKAZE:
Seriously, I have cut across love as a subject in Ifa. Maybe there are, I don't know. Let me call Pastor Aio and Ogbo ato they may help

On the sideline, wanted to point out that interestingly, the Greeks understood love to be of almost seven types of it. I put it at eight. Was wondering what love is in, how many is it etcetera in Yoruba cosmos

Image123:
We could keep going back and forth, and you know that.

Omnipresent temptation. Beautiful.

You're going emotional on me, it's okay oh.

Joseph though never went to sit in the woman's room kind of, then flee. That's the scenario being asked for here.

No, what brought up all these was you and the other guy boldly telling people in a paraphrase there was nothing wrong with pornographic TV shows, and going against others that felt otherwise. And i don't intend to defend/prove this. You say temptation is omnipresent, but telling people to abstain from pornographic TV shows is not letting "them be exposed to any form of temptation to resist or danger". Temptation has finished if we don't watch or no? Don't bother answering. Or what, have the last say as it were.

Man is a weak vessel, so yes, the majority are what you call faint-hearted. The 'thing' is good and enjoyed within the right frame, which is the frame of marriage. The part i boldened/ in your quote is the most important. There is garbage there, the majority will take the garbage, the garbage will likely stick longer and be practiced more. The so called treasure is most likely nothing new, and what can be readily obtained in other ways. Bro, be good. You know i don't have strength for winding talks.

Nawa ooo...pesin no fit follow una jest play again? Make I no come don enter one chance. You know me, so well, to trust that, I'll bring out the enviable genius in you now. I have nothing but max respect for my Image123.

budaatum:
Jesus, a Jew, interfaithing with Gentiles is not inter-faith? Were Gentiles part of the Jewish faith?

Is this Muslim enough for you?

Ghana's chief imam is a man of few words, but the 100-year-old Muslim cleric certainly knows how to make waves - by attending a Catholic Church service as part of his birthday celebrations.

Pictures of Sheikh Osman Sharubutu, sitting attentively in the pews of Accra's Christ the King Catholic Church for an Easter service, went viral on social media.

The grand mufti, leader of Ghana's minority Muslim community, wants to ensure that his legacy is peace - the fruit of inter-faith harmony.

Ghana's 100-year-old imam who went to church

That Baba must know one or two things others dont. delishpot come quick and see this ooo
Kitman, Taqiyya, Tawriya or honest sincerity? Which delishpot, huh?

elated177, Captain? What happened?
Just like with TV01 earlier on, now you, what happened immediately above me, huh? Another tsk, tsk, tsk. What were you guys typing?
Divine intervention doesnt want to permit you guys post content that's homophobic, unsanitized & devoid of agape love