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EmperorHarry:
Lol guessed as much but didn't want to start jumping into conclusions.
I made that statement to show how open minded I am to the possibility of either being the truth. They are both theories and none of them a fact. The nature of the universe supports the intelligent designer theory which I stated after but maybe what we believe to be design is just an illusion created by our obsession with patterns and models which is mostly unlikely but still a possibility. We only understand the universe from the human perspective so nothing is a given.

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Even if you havent ever seen the ocean or salt, have you not tasted salt in food?
If you dont know what an elephant is, dont you recognise an elephant trumpeting?

The fifth person, not in the picture, isnt standing on anything and so not seeing anything either.
C'est la vie, that's life, isnt it, in jpegs?

Ubenedictus:
It Sunday so let me touch this a little.

The first time the bible hints at same sex sexual relations it was in the Torah.

Where in the Torah specifically sir?

Ubenedictus:
In Genesis the wicked people of Sodom will attempt to rape angels in human form. The epistle of Jude says that among other things the city practiced sexual immorality he called "unnatural desires". It was destroyed.

"Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire"
- Jude 1:7

I took the liberty to help you reproduce Jude 1:7 to be seen above, because I know you know what it means to give oneself up to fornication or the meaning of the statement: I am guilty of fornication. That was what is part of Sodom's sin sire, aside being unfriendly and unwelcoming towards people.

"⁴⁹Behold, this was the iniquity (i.e. the sin) of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.
⁵⁰And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good. "
- Ezekiel 16:49-50

Furthermore, from Ezekiel 16:49-50 above, you can see why Sodom and Gomorrah was earmarked for destruction, this in fact, before they even embarked on their gang rape adventure, lusting after strange flesh and having unnatural desires. Na pesin wey get liver, who go wan try go fairk angels nau, no bi so? Which kind of desire be dat. Who does that?

Ubenedictus:
Then lev says.

You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination. (Leviticus 18:22)
If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. (Leviticus 20:13

I know you are pretty ready to dismiss this as part of the law, including the dietary restrictions etc.
But the issue appears again in new testament, rm1:26,27. it situate the homosexual desire as part of the distortion of human desires occasioned by our fall, and used the term "unnatural" to describe it. The term for man sex appears in the letter to the Corinthians and again it was condemn.

Each time it is talked about it is condemned, nor is it included in God's plan for human sexuality which is marriage. In fact Jesus would specify that marriage is between a man and a woman.

SMH, I just love and enjoy it when I find you guys, TV01, shepherd00, elated177, jesusjnr, Agrogbeide etcetera, without minding the context, start to proof-text with Leviticus 18:22, Leviticus 20:13, Romans 1:25-27, 1 Corinthians 6:9 and/or 1 Timothy 1:10, its hilarious but at this juncture, I am not, now, going to here, waste any amount of time or effort responding to any of these your above presuppositions. I will however call you, mention you and invite you over, when I respond to TV01, he shares similar SMH misinformations with you.

Ubenedictus:
As for your submission that no one is hurt... Well that argument can be made for pornography and masturbation, bestiality,..., a sin doesn't need to physical hurt anyone, it simply has to be the wrong use of God's gift. In this case human sexuality.

Pornography harms and hurts if you're lusting after the object you're oggling at. Masturbation harms and hurts if its abused and/or misused. Bestiality harms and hurts defenceless and helpless animals , besides that, who in their right mind does that, fairking animals, huh? Dont try and twist this thing, tell what is the wrong use of God's gift you are rabbiting on about?

Image123:
Lol, now you are backtracking on this Oyedepo issue. You said his members are enslaved, that they are slaves who do not know. Now, you are going to they were slaves.

What do you expect me to do nau, especially when you dont believe that DOMI members are slaves. They are slaves who do not know so unable to free themselves from mental slavery or enslavement. They might have money, wealth and fame but it doesnt buy them mental freedom.

Image123:
Don't worry my friend, you will still talk about Mary Slessor after all these government and history lessons. From enslaving to shady deals and tax breaks, hmmmm. Your accusations pass my level, I'm not his lawyer.

God bless Mary Slessor. This is no accusations nwanne, the (ab)use of import duty waivers in Nigeria is in public domain online and social media, tells for example, how religious organisation(s) exploited their close links with the Obasanjo government to get indiscriminate import duty waivers, like the N20 Billion Import Waiver Scandal. Did you know that Oyedepo never ever paid a kobo, as landing charge or airport tax on his Private Jets throughout Jonathan presidency huh, that he got presidential waiver, hmm?.

Siddon there, bin dey look, what kind of bubble are you living in sef? Well, you said, you arent his lawyer sha, so how would you know any of those then? I no blame you, so you therefore, are forgiven and excused

Image123:
What I know is that the man has added value to millions of people, and they have become the better of after meeting him.

What I know too, is that the devil does same as well and does a better job than Oyedepo, whilst at it

Ubenedictus:
Maybe you don't get get it, but I am not playing the denomination card.

You dont know it but you subconsciously play the denomination card

Ubenedictus:
The way my mind works is simple, when I hear an argument I immediately match it to the "scholarship" from which it came, it genre and the group that holds it. That way I know where the person is coming from, his interest and perspective and I am more open to addressing it.

Your mind should work, taking what's said, at face value and not trying to pigeon hole, assigning people to a particular category, which often and typically, like in this instance, is an overly restrictive and off the charts one. Look at me for example, I see stuff(s) I agree with in catholicism and talk about it but that doesnt mean I am Catholic and remember that, you've never labelled me as one too, you remember and know what I mean, huh?

Ubenedictus:
If you are a Christian and you believe Jesus is not God my mind immediately matches your thoughts to Arianism of the 3rd century CE, and it's adherent today chief among them the Jehovah's Witnesses and the oneness groups.

If you believe that scripture contain all necessary for salvation, you may be any type of Christian but if you hold that all that truth is explicitly contained therein, immediately understood by anyone, and needing no explanation, then you are from the reformation time and have embraced a kind of Puritanism and fundamentalism common or originating from the American church, you are a Christian fundamentalist of a Baptist flavor.

By knowing the traditions you have adopted I can know how to speak to you. If I am talking to an orthodox Christian, we can discuss the mysteries, the economy, church fathers, pascal mysteries, Christus Victor... All these themes are totally lost on a protestant, with a Lutheran I could discuss the substantial presence of Jesus in the Eucharistic, that is totally lost on those who accepts the tradition of John Calvin.

Like I said above, wrong style and/or way in approaching matters like this

Ubenedictus:
When I hear a Christian arguing for homosexual sexual relations, I know those who are doing stuff in that area are majorly the Anglicans and Episcopal Church. Then I know where to begin the discussions.

If only more christians read their bibles properly, there'd be less christians to start with.

Ubenedictus:
I'm not playing at denominations, these doctrines you are teaching are tied to specific and very recent interpretative tradition that come from a placing of the present world ideas and superimposing them upon scriptures to make scriptures say what the world says.

You would say this wouldnt you, hmm? Knowing fully well that prior to the rise of Christianity, sexual practices that like these that people today call "homosexual" had existed long ago in Biblical times and with some degree had social acceptance in ancient Rome. Jesus even, had a direct meeting and face-to-face conversation with a Roman participant.

Same sex relationships has never being denounced in the Bible because this is something that was "tolerated", as in, allowed the existence, occurrence or practice of it, without any interference.

Ubenedictus:
I can look at the whole teaching, it's source and the interest it promotes. Then I can answer it well.

Looking at what the Bible really says and not be looking what the bible never says, never said or never meant, is preferable

Ubenedictus:
God actually is concerned about all parts of human life, not just the overreaching theme of justice, love, and fairness. He is interested in the very things humans think, in their understanding of themselves, their understanding of the world, their understand of him, the use of the gifts he gives to men, their bodies and sexuality and it's right use, in their relationship with family, nations and foreigners. The God of the Bible seems interested in it all.

It is in the understanding of their bodies and sexuality, the right use and end of these gifts that the issue of sexual relations of all kinds fall into.

God doesn’t judge people according to their sexuality, but He looks in the heart and observes the deeds, besides that and statistically speaking, talking about homosexuality and/or same sex relationships is not a priority for the Bible, this is fact.

Ubenedictus:
In analysing all that scripture says about these...
I don't see how anybody will be talking of homosexual sexual relations and approving them by biblical or even Christian standards.

You dont, really?

You do know that Jorge Mario Bergoglio, behind closed doors, supported civil unions of same sex couples in Argentina, dont you?

Ubenedictus:
by sodomy in the context I used it, I mean homosexual sexual relations. I thought that was clear.

1/ Is that what sodomy historically means in the Bible?
2/ Does it mean nothing other than just homosexual sexual relations, hmm?

Image123:
So everyone is like Marmite in a sense.

Iyen ti di dandan nau. I dont know why you initially doubted that Oyedepo is like marmite sef

Image123:
There's no monkey working and baboon eating in the analogy.

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Makes me remember Fela's "suffering and smiling", another tune and with disconsolate lyrics again.

Suffering and smiling
How many many you go make
CHORUS: Many many

Open your eye everywhere
Archbishop na miliki
Pope na enjoyment
Imam na gbaladun

Archbishop dey enjoy (with chorus)
Pope self dey enjoy (with chorus)
Imam self dey enjoy (with chorus)
My brother wetin you say? (with chorus)
My brother wetin you say? (with chorus)

Image123:
Like i said, slaves, monkeys, poor people do not have the finance to afford what DOMI has done and is doing. Many of the active members are better off than when they came. The man has added value to their lives.

Please educate and tell, how David Oyedepo Ministry International (i.e. DOMI) that originally started from Kaduna before coming down to Lagos, like they always do, did not first, live off the backs of "slaves, monkeys, poor people" before getting to the position and finance to afford what now DOMI has done and is doing. Do you also want to tell about the behind door import tax break shady deals Oyedepo and others enjoyed during the OBJ and Jonathan governments, huh?

Image123:
Love and hatred happens to everyone in that case. Is it everyone that loves MuttleyLaff?

Even, MuttleyLaff, has been known not to love MuttleyLaff sometimes

Image123:
If there are failed robberies, it implies that there will be successful robberies like you have stated. Is there no success in something that is successful? Lol.

There is, and the fact remains that success is either a good success or a bad successs

Image123:
I've not heard about a thousand slaves, i don't listen to him that much. But that means they're no more slaves if they are acclaimed by him to be freed. Even the bible pictures us as slaves that obtained freedom. So do cut him some slack in that case.

Oyedepo has no known slaves you said, abi?. Isnt that because those enslaved, hardly know they are slaves? The act of being taken advantaged or exploited by someone else. The fruits of their endeavour goes to benefit someone else, makes me remember Fela's "Monkey dey work, baboon dey chop" tune and its disconsolate lyrics

"As we dey call am for area,
Oro ebe O sè lè.
Ra ra, aaaaa.

Na ma contry I tink sey I dey stay,
Na Afrika we dey O.
Na ma contry I tink sey I dey chop,
Na Afrika we dey O.
Every day, every day I dey hungry,
Na Afrika we dey O.
Every day, every day no house to stay,
Na Afrika we dey O.
Monkey dey work Baboon dey chop,
Na Afrika we dey O.
Baboon dey hold di key of store,
Na Afrika we dey O.
Monkey dey look, Baboon dey laugh,
Na Afrika we dey O.

Now, listen to me, now, now, now,

De day Monkey eye com open now,
Na Afrika we dey O."

Ubenedictus:
lol, this seems like an argument with an Anglican.

Do you always like this play the denomination card, huh?

Ubenedictus:
You can happily paste, the time same sex sexual relationship appear in scriptures and their context.

Maybe we can start from there

This is sending me on an "arodan" worthless excercise, so lets cut to the chase, and both agree, accept and start recognising that keeping a beady eye on the times same sex sexual relationship appear in scriptures and their context was not of any particular concern of the Bible. What you ask for, is non existent, it isnt on God's radar list. What God was anxious and more worried about, were issue, like the overarching demand for justice, economic equality and the fair treatment of all right across board, even to foreigners and strangers.

Now, Ubenedictus, please elaborate more on what you, in toto mean by sodomy in your "... I am against sodomy" comment and the sentence in the comment means and is talking all about. Thank you.

Image123:
That's a simile in literature.

Still applicable to him, as just like Marmite, some loathe or love Oyedepo, whilst others are indifferent to him or even dont give a toss

Image123:
Ever heard of a failed robbery operation?

Yes, of course, I've heard of a failed robbery operation quite a number of times, but we are talking of armed robber that came back with loot is a success too, still, werent we?

Image123:
please say more explicitly. Oyedepo has no known slaves. Slaves do not have the finance to build what DOMI has built and continues to build. i think he has added value to millions of lives, millions of which were previously "valueless".

Ever heard of "‘I freed a thousand slaves. I could have freed a thousand more if only they knew they were slaves"

TV01:
[s]Hmmm....maybe he does, maybe he doesn't. Could be it does, then again it may not. Either or, I wouldn't want to speculate and, I am sure the man can speak for himself. But you sir are orally flatulent. Nay, you literally defecate from the mouth, going about crapping from thread to thread. Unable to articulate anything meaningful, but managing to - in the most artless fashion - slap gayhomo notions on any scripture that comes to mind. Abeg, it's painful to behold - and malodourous - please cease and desist.[/s]

Eeerrrrrr.... please don't think anyone is seriously expecting
- and definitely not waiting around for - a response from you. More excrement yes, a response no!

You could have fooled me

TV01:
I am personally off to co-join my wife's natural function with mine .
Holy matrimony - blessed sexual congress of the right order and in the right setting - rightfully sanctified.

TV

Beaming, as if like the cat that got the cream
It's good for some sha, isnt it. I sincerely and truly am happy for your and madam, that you are able to be participants in the creational order, I pray you dont shoot blanks when at it, and hope you arent a 45 seconds man. Anyway enjoy the happy "la petite mort"

Now, just meanwhile, spare a long thought for infertile couples and particularly, same sex couples, whether female and female or male and male, these of course, as usual, is referring to consenting adults in a same sex caring, kind, loving, trusting, faithful, helpful, committed life long until death do them part same sex relationship you are excluding from similar intimacy benefits with each other, you are enjoying with someone else, that's Madam, that you love

I warn you TV01 and that Shepherd00, who correctly should be addressed as Goatherd00, that you'll both incur the wrath of God, if yall dont repent of your error of judgment and misinformation, on the true matter with homosexuality.

Image123:
Not like Marmite, like Oyedepo.

People either love or hate Marmite, so Oyedepo is like Marmite then.

Image123:
The Bishop is a success still.

Armed robber that came back with loot too is a success still, isnt it?

Image123:
The man no get conscience ni?

"For you bear it if someone makes slaves of you,
or devours you, or takes advantage of you,
or puts on airs, or strikes (i.e. slaps) you in the face."
- 2 Corinthians 11:20

Need I go on, need I say more?

VBCampaign:
I am pro life and anti Abortion

"²³Now if a boy can be circumcised on the Sabbath so that the law of Moses may not be broken,
why are you angry with me for healing a man’s whole body on the Sabbath?
²⁴Stop judging by mere appearances, but instead judge correctly."
- John 7:23-24

VBCampaign, you have time and this kind of grace, to say something in reply back to this accuser of the brethern, who is a tool in the devil's hand and toying around with unrighteous judgement

You can see him adding all sorts to his judgement queue and beginning to judge hypocritically. This chap, Shepherd00, could have knocked me over with a feather that he doesnt fart. OK, given that he does fart, then his fart doesnt smell at all then, it never smells, as it has a deodorized good smell to it, abi, isnt it?

Note John 7:23-24 above VBCampaign and look at Shepherd00 real good, look at him properly, he is a wolf in sheep's clothing, only seeking to hurt and devour another, see how he is trying to annihilate you, trying to bite you, trying to cut you down to size with accusations. That's all because he is being true to his nature. Note it that, just because pesin follow, dey behind Jesus, no mean say dat pesin be disciple ooo.

VBCampaign, do you at all understand and know why Shepherd00 behaves and brazenly talks as he does, it's because he is inspired from still following the law of sin and death.

What does Romans 8:1-2 say?
It states that:
"¹There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
²For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. "

There is no law against love VBCampaign. Guess what, there actually is no law against homosexuality too. So homosexuality CAN'T be a sin then, because sin is the transgression of the law. Guess what again, as believers, we aren't even under the law anymore, as seen in Romans 8:1-2 above, to be in a position of demonising and persecuting each other with it, the manner and/or way, the likes of how them Shepherd00, TV01, jesusjnr, elated177, Agrogbeide etcetera do with same sex couples in a trusting, caring, loving, faithful and committed life long till death do apart relationships.

1 Timothy 1:7, says of them: "They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm" Why does the inexcusable Shepherd00 look at the speck in a brother's eye, but fail to notice the beam in his own eye, huh? Like I earlier said, Shepherd00 doesnt fart and/or his fart doesnt smell, if at all he does fart

I can go on, but will leave the rest for my much waited response to TV01

EmperorHarry:
That's an example of how design works and can be recognized. I totally enjoyed the movie and it's just a suggestion cos it brings about a special kind of enlightenment about dogma,bigotry,extortion,corruption etc...Not many mainstream movies offer that kind of relative experience.

I don't get the quoted and bolded?!

The scriptural references agrees with you as regards, the paragraph above the "whether the universe is a result of intelligent design or not is still up for debate" emboldened comment.

I just found it incredulous you saying "Whether the universe is a result of intelligent design or not, is still up for debate". C'mon now, not agreeing in some semblance of intelligence and/or design, no matter how minute or small it is, behind the universe is utterly absurd and/or ridiculous. What's to debate there?

Shepherd00:
MuttleyLatff, bragging kingkong, come and show me where I lied against you.

You are every calling me a lair, but you can't last long enough in one thread to proof anything. You jump around like a headless chicken trying with your blood to defend abomination.

Anus, Warrior.

I already did, it's not my fault, if you find it challenging putting effort in reading other people's posts.

Idle hands people everywhere, to be the devil's workshop. Nothing wey Musa no go see for gate. Please carry go with your bad energy and stop distracting me. OK?

Agrogbeide:
kikikikikikikikikikiki..........looooool
I don't condemn homosexuals oga because I'm not their God. I condemn SAME SEX SEXUAL RELATIONSHIP!!!!!

HOMOSEXUALITY IS ABOMINABLE!!!!

I just hope and wish, but you are incapable of standing toe to toe with me trying to defend the emboldened above, that characterises a complete miscarriage of justice against same sex couples, as in, consenting adults in same sex trusting, loving and faithful relationships, but hey, no problemo, you'll meet with me and the truths, on the other thread sha.

Agrogbeide:
BTW we are still waiting for you to bring your gigantic proves that homosexuality is right with God in that other thread. Also remember to come with your Bible references.

Thanks.
God bless.

Yes Sir, your wish, as usual, is my command and you shall not be disappointed.

Like I've told Shepherdoo, a warrior of God, knows when and where to swing his sword of the Spirit. Trust me Agrogbeide, I always pays my debts, and just like the sun and moon, the truth wont be for long, anymore hidden.

It is called the lull or calm before the storm Agrogbeide, so please, dont ever think that the reason why there seems to be a calm, is because I dont know or havent got what to type. What you erroneously perceive to be silence Agrogbeide, actually is, thunder fiercely rumbling and roaring up hidden inside me. Inexperienced warriors, like to engage head-on, but experienced warriors, like to wait Agrogbeide, wait to let their opponents expose themselves well and/or let them work themselves into a corner, noose or walk into a dead end.

Dont fret Agrogbeide, "Waa gburo nigbe hin", loosely translated means "Las, las, you'll hear in the end"

EmperorHarry:
Have you seen the movie "City of Ember"? I highly recommend you do if you haven't. It's not necessarily related to the topic but it's good.

"City of Ember" is a bit of a boring movie to spend almost two hours to watch over. The only connect the movie has, to what you're advancing, is the missing small metal box with a list of instructions

EmperorHarry:
Everything that is designed has a potential manual or guide that provides it's users/people curious as to how the designed product works with detailed information about it's functions and how to utilize said product efficiently.
Whether the universe is a result of intelligent design or not is still up for debate but man's curiosity over time through science, philosophy, experience etc has enabled him to acquire knowledge about the universe which we've used to create a work in progress guide about the universe which has substantial information about the nature and structure of the universe although largely incomplete.

"²⁴When Moses had finished writing this entire body of instruction in a book,
²⁵he gave this command to the Levites who carried the Ark of the LORD’s Covenant:
²⁶“Take this Book of Instruction and place it beside the Ark of the Covenant of the LORD your God,
so it may remain there as a witness against the people of Israel. "
- Deuteronomy 31:24-26

"Then Hilkiah the high priest said to Shaphan the scribe,
“I have found the Book of the Law in the house of the LORD!”
And he gave it to Shaphan, who read it."
- 2 Kings 22:8

Haba at the emboldened above, kilo de, why nau?

tolugar:
Mumu op
That’s not a private jet.

kllinxman:
That's a cruise ship � not a pj

Yacht

Shepherd00:
Anus warrior get back to the thread.

It is already obvious that impatience and frustration are plaguing you Mister Fixation on Anus Worrier, Shepherd00.

A warrior of God, knows when and where to swing his sword of the Spirit. Trust me Shepherd00, I always pays my debts, you should be more worried about that because just like the sun and moon, the truth cannot be for long hidden.

The lull or calm before the storm Shepherd00, so please, dont ever think that the reason why there seems to be a calm, is because I dont know or havent got what to type.

Shepherd00:
I won't respond to you here.

I suggest you go back to reading the above post, you've commented and responded to, because if you had put effort into reading it at all, you wouldnt have come here, thinking that a response was required of you. You are just so ridiculously predictable, arent you. SMH

Shepherd00:
Why did you run away from the other thread only to be shouting my Moniker here?

"... ... MuttleyLaff never runs. He'll be back..."
- Re: An Open Letter To Daddy Freeze By Deji Yesufu by VBCampaign:

Shepherd00:
A.nus warrior

"But the LORD is with me to help me like an awe-inspiring warrior.
Therefore those who persecute me will fail and will not prevail over me.
They will be thoroughly disgraced because they did not succeed.
Their disgrace will never be forgotten."
- Jeremiah 20:11

I rather be a honest a.nus warrior than be a pathetic liar, ignoramus and ignoranus but hey, it doesnt really matter, as, if same sex couple consented adults, are female and female or male and male, then I am a warrior for both.

Having arse, by the way Shepherd00, is a beautiful thing. A woman's bacca, booty, rear light, butt or arse is a beautiful body part, especially the talking arse types. The shape of an arse besides being sexy, whether you're male or female, can make or break an outfit. I love my pert arse and my missus' too. The arse, aside her heart and brain, was one of her other bodily parts, that first got me attracted to her. I am a bonafide and certified arse person.

So Shepherd00, one out of my favourite many hecklers and one of the most impatient person that ever trolled NL Religion forum, in your arrogance, you underestimate me because you're unaware of what true power, knowledge and info, I am holding in. Your hubris, temerity and complaining peevishly will be your nemesis, because you are not strong enough to withstand the calm and silence before the storm and trouble ahead of you.

Dont you know that a warrior never vanishes in a distant? What you perceive to be silence Shepherd00, actually is, thunder fiercely rumbling and roaring up hidden inside me. Inexperienced warriors, like to engage head-on, experienced warriors, like to wait Shepherd00, let their opponents expose themselves and/or work themselves into a corner, noose or walk into a dead end

"Waa gburo nigbe hin Shepherd00", loosely translated means "Las, las, you'll hear Shepherd00"

Shepherd00:
@VBCampaign, come and see your pal here o. You said he didn't run away, why has he abandoned the other thread to come to this one?

[s]The mention of homosexuality gives him a kick.[/s]

I do what I do Shepherd00, I write on whatever thread because it is the right thing, the right time and right place, at the particular moment to type from. It is the way of the warrrior to behave in those manner(s), besides me typing in this particular thread, that is not just only paining you but is giving you severe pains, actually it gives you the opportunity to have a premonition of the imminent disaster coming your way, and indeed served as a sample of what you can expect come your way, unleashed, in the other thread.

ThothHermes:
I don't understand you anymore. Everything he has said makes sense to me. You have been threatening a killer response for three days and he's the pitiful one

How does that figure

We expect a full rebuttal to everything he has written and not these things that can only be described as hot air

This is what they call "chest beating" in the politics section
T

He don't make any iota of sense. Just have patience, hold on to your knickers. My mum, of blessed memory, used to advise me, that one doesn't lick hot stew in a hurry. You''ll soon weep on behalf of TV01.

TV01:
In a sense the word polluted can be used interchangeably with defiled, and may perhaps have been a better choice of word here. And, as word precision is something dear to me, I do apologise for that. However, the point is not negated, or even changed in any real sense;

Leviticus18: 24-25 Do not defile yourselves with any of these things; for by all these the nations are defiled, which I am casting out before you. 25 For the land is defiled; therefore I visit the punishment of its iniquity upon it, and the land vomits out its inhabitants.

Verses 24-25 above are a summary of the whole of chapter 18, which deals with various forms of sexual immorality, verse 22 being the specific about and against “homosexuality”.

22 You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination. Mirrored in[b] Leviticus 20.13 If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. [/b]

One parameter I did not mention was “spiritually”. The scriptures, biology (science) and the law are all documented and freely available for anyone to scrutinise. How one regards or grasps notions of the spiritual can be considered personal to a large degree.

Although not as readily available, much has been written about the spiritual consequences of sodomy. How it is seen as a gateway to demonic possession and a widely practiced ritual by devil worshippers. Especially aimed at children – even babies.

Pertinent to note how many “turn gay” after being abused as children. Note the Catholic problem, or perhaps the Catholic priesthoods problem with sexual abuse. This is really – although it has never been termed as such – a “homosexual” problem.

That is what male temple prostitution was all about, along with other forms or ritual sexual perversion - it’s also a form of worship, and why it is so heinous in a spiritual sense.

Historically, homosex, was all about older men “breaking in” younger ones. Pederasty I believe is the correct term. The homo thing is primarily about sex. Look at the data for the hyper rate and brief duration of much of the homosex that goes on.

This is one of the reasons MuttleyLaff goes to great lengths to present it as about committed love between 2 consenting adults, when it is almost never about that, regardless of the “poster boy” like imagery the lobby tries to present, making it appear as the same as opposite couples. Look at the data for the hyper rate and brief duration of much of the homosex that goes on

So, codifying SSM into law, as some countries have done, is to defile the land and there will be consequences. Vomiting it’s inhabitants is the usual requite for a defiled/polluted land.

Leviticus 18:25 - For the land is defiled; therefore I visit the punishment of its iniquity upon it, and the land vomits out its inhabitants.
Leviticus 18:28 - lest the land vomit you out also when you defile it, as it vomited out the nations that were before you.
Leviticus 20:22 - ‘You shall therefore keep all My statutes and all My judgments, and perform them, that the land where I am bringing you to dwell may not vomit you out.

Now, where is this killer of a response from MuttleyLaff?
TV

Thothhermes this pitiful TV01 man has started again with all these his proof-texting shenanigans again and dotting them all over the place on his post. SMH.

Don't worry TV01, you'll soon meet with me at the other thread.

Ubenedictus:
gay is an adjective used to describe people who are attracted to same sex, it certainly is an adjective. Someone can be gay and not be a sodomite. You can be gay and not act wickedly, you can be gay and be chaste and a virgin. That someone is attracted to same sex doesn't mean he is sining so far he doesn't encourage the thought or act on it.

I have so far been following in the quiet background, your interaction with keen interest and fully enjoying reading your comments on this matter with a gladdened heart

Ubenedictus:
NOBODY IS ENDORSING GAY SEX, but I am certainly against unjust discrimination against gay people as I am against sodomy.

The truth has nothing to do with been homophobic

Why are you saying nobody is endorsing gay sex Ubenedictus? Especially when God never, at any instance, is against gay sex huh?.

The Bible never has said, it is a sin to have sexual feelings with anyone of the same sex. God too, has no problems with same sex couples, as in, consenting adults loving each other. God never said homosexuality was an abomination either Ubenedictus and trust me, jesusjnr knows this and more.

Nowhere in the original manuscript of the bible Ubenedictus, is homosexuality, even in the remotest, being mentioned as wrong or a sin. That nonsense and its accomplice other bunch of lies werent put into the bible, until the King James version was written.

Ubenedictus, I repeat the bible does not say same-sex love is sin, but it does say that lust, lasciviousness, being promiscuous, being unfaithful, infidelity, cheating, straying, fornication etcetera are sins.

Being gay is not a sin, gluttony, shaving your beard, eating seafood like lobster, shrimp, crab, catfish or pork etcetera is sin. God encourages people to love everyone even your worst enemies. By loving someone, you're doing what God asks us to do. When homophobes and/or homophobics, the likes of jesusjnr, elated177, Shepherd00, Agrogbeide, Alexandro15, TV01, ThothHermes condemn others for being gay, they're condeming love with hate, and this goes directly against, all that God and the teachings of Jesus says.

Ubenedictus reflect and ponder further more on the subject matter long enough please. Think about it, being gay, as in, same sex couples in a kind, caring, loving, committed, trusting and faithful relationship, is the only alleged and so-called "sin thing" that doesn't harm nor hurt anyone, doesnt have a victim, doesnt abuse a partner, doesnt cheat on partner, not into infidelity etcetera

Ubenedictus, if being gay, as in, same sex couples, in a kind caring, loving, committed, trusting and faithful relationship is not an affliction, then what is with you having qualms endorsing gay sex, hmm? If you know Ubenedictus, what it feels like to lie, cheat, steal, hurt, hate, lust, be jealous, practice idolatry etcetera and you've felt the negative consequences, please list what are the negative consequences and obvious negatives brought into the world by gays that compels that they be looked at as bad and threatening please?

Isnt it ironic Ubenedictus that being gay, condemned and purported as sin, shares the same passage with forbidding wearing clothing of mixed fabrics, cutting and trimming the hair on the sides of one's head etcetera but they arent the squeaky wheels, like being gay, getting the oil attention, huh?

We can, maybe later Ubenedictus, have you elaborate more on what you in toto mean by sodomy in your "... I am against sodomy" comment
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johnydon22:
It's one thing to say the Golden ratio, it's another to elaborate others reading the thread who might take you up on it

OK then maybe golden mean, divine proportion, phi (i.e. 1.1618) and many other names that golden ratio is associated with.

I did leave a caveat, that, if you know, you know. Dem who no know, no go know, didnt I johnydon22?

johnydon22:
The argument of design is one of the best arguments those who argue for the existence of God has in their arsenal, I myself consider the argument of design a very profound, logical and probable argument.

You see, but i have noticed one thing, those who usually use this argument seldom define for the merit of their argument how they recognize when something is designed? Or at least, things that makes it fair to assume that something is designed.

And on the other hand, those that argue against design, I'd say do not seem to also show that they understand what the fundamental premise that leads to the assumption of design.

This thread is to vet exactly what the proponents of the argument of design mean when they make such argument.

How do you recognize design?
What are the pointers that make you think it is logical to assume something was designed?

The Golden Ratio
If you know, you know. Dem who no know, no go know

elated177:
Lev 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
Did this particular Scripture say anywhere that if a man has sex with a male or shrine prostitute?
Did this particular Scripture, directly or indirectly, refer to cult sex?

No. An unambiguous NO!

Yes, yes and capital YES it does, except you're in denial, you'll say No.

Content is king, but context is the king-maker nwanne. Read Lev 20:13 from Leviticus 18 to get yourself fully informed, have some good and detailed knowledge of the matter.

I can, as I've often done in the past, give you some bible verses to read with historical context, that shows that Lev 20:13 refers to cult sex, as in, a man that has sex with a male(s) or shrine prostitute(s) elated177, it never had anything, nothing, to do with God calling homosexuality a sin. God doesn't hate homosexuals either, as having sexual feelings towards the same sex is not a sin, nor does God hate same sex couples, as in, God does not hate two easy going, ordinary consenting adults, minding their own businesses enjoying a life long caring, faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving each other lasting that's life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that has no detriment to another person, no betrayal of another person, or not cheating on another person, and not being harmful to an object or neighbour, mutually caring for each other, mutually respecting each other, mutually contributing to the well being of society and most importantly loving each other with a love that's until death do apart. They are two consenting adults that are not being promiscuous, so a good. They are two consenting adults, that are at peace with each other, with God and in truth, because their intentions are good and their hearts are pure, which also is another good thing.

elated177:
If a man has any form of sexual relationship with another man, they have committed an abomination.

The Father in heaven did not mince words when he said "BOTH OF THEM" have done a detestable thing.

You know you cant even explain what abomination it is that is committed. You further know you also cant explain when God said "BOTH OF THEM" have done a detestable thing, why and what specifically God said He found detestable

elated177:
It was because of this abomination that YHVH of Hosts rained down fire on Sodom and Gomorrah, which existed hundreds of years before he gave the Israelites the law.

If you arent aware, let it be known to you that this comment of yours here is misleading and another of your regular misinformations. Sodom and Gomorrah by the way, was already earmarked for destruction, before the men of the city wicked and cruel act of planning to gang rape two adult looking males. I know the truth is a bitter pill to swallow but please stick to the facts from on, jor now.

elated177:
The Scripture here did not say in the context of a man and a shrine or male prostitute.

Simple, clear and straight to the point, if a person has any form of sexual relationship with another of the same sex, they have committed an abomination.

Why would the scripture here with Sodom and Gomorrah be in context talking of a man and a shrine or male prostitute my pitiful confused dear nwanne elated177, huh?
OK, let's get this straight with a simple clear easy and straightforward question elated177, why was Sodom and Gomorrah earmarked for destruction and so then, thereafter eventually destroyed, hmm elated177?
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Shepherd00 you've posted lies plus trash above as usual, you dont disappoint in those two regards, so that's why your post is kept out of sight.

Image123:
Love him or hate him

Oyedepo is like Marmite alright. You love Marmite or hate Marmite.

Image123:
the Bishop is a success

Ah well, I do know there are two kinds of successes, there is good success and bad success. I also know that someone may seem to be successful, but that's not a guarantee that, it is at all good success. Probably then, it could, in the real sense, be bad success. I am just saying ni ooo Image123.

Image123:
It pays to serve Jesus.

It pays to serve Jesus with a conscience

ThothHermes:
Muttleylaff is back
Yipeee...
We think say you don jappa.
We are eagerly waiting.

Na the grass go suffer when two elephants jam

I no went anywhere, so dont fret nwanne, as I will address the ignored elephant, that is in the room that the likes of jesusjnr, elated177, Agrogbeide, Alexandro15, Baddiezz, TV01, Shepherd00 etcetera runs away from, hides by bending down and burying their heads in the sand

When there's a big fat lie elephant in the room introduce him. Dont just look at the elephant and pretend it isnt there like them jesusjnr, elated177, Agrogbeide, Alexandro15, Baddiezz, TV01, Shepherd00 etcetera do.

ThothHermes:
Did I read a Sun Tzu quote somewhere in your post?
This is real war mehn.

Yes, you did read a Sun Tzu quote, and that's out from "Sun Tzu - The Art of War"

ThothHermes:
TV has drawn first blood.

TV01 is a bloody drama queen, he plays the victim so well whilst acting like there is no elephant in the room, a man who truly believes all the lies and so, others like elated177, Agrogbeide, Shepherd00 etcetera bought into the lies too, he pats them on the back.

ThothHermes:
We expect a robust response.
I feel like dancing.

Blood, sweat, tears and respect. The first three are a done deal, you take or give, the last one you earn it.

TV01 better look the fairy out because I am going to make him discover that the lies he was raised up with, that he learned to believe, as truths, are not truths at all. I promise him, its going to hurt, the truth, because I recall reading Terence James Stannus Gray, saying, "In order to be effective, truth must penetrate like an arrow. And that is likely to hurt"

TV01 is someone prepped up to be barbecued, but then on own accord, went on to rub himself down with kerosene and get soaked up in gasoline. All I have to do light a match

TV01:
It appears, even if only in regards to this specific subject, that MuttleyLaffs modus operandi has not been fully grasped. You see MuttleyLaff is a campaigner, an activist, it is not about the debate or the search for truth.

It's about normalising his position regards this behaviour/lifestyle. Which in Christian faith terms means seeking ways to reclassify an abominable act as sanctified/sanctifiable, otherwise acceptable to God.

Hence the "dressing-up" of the behaviour using words/terms like "life-long, committed, not-harming etc." Designed to make the secular see it as harmless and the Christian as holy, or at least not profane.

Homosexualists engage to browbeat, to smear to castigate and to vilify. Not to discuss or unpick. Hence the repeated ad-hominem, the casting of people as being "homophobic" or the attempts to transfer the asserted harm of "gay people" on to those who disagree with the lifestyle.

Note how the interpretation of the scripture by others is never right. Their understanding to basic/literal/backward/non-progressive/shallow. But there is never a stand taken to clearly exegete his own position.

Yes, the back and forth can be fun, but my purpose here is not needless repartee, but to stand by truth as I grasp it - or of course, to be otherwise enlightened!

Appreciate that you appreciate, but for me it's about Christ, about truth, about proper handling of the holy writ and perhaps pause for thought for those that may be otherwise swayed by sophistry, harassment and guilting.


Best
TV

^{...also note how MuttleyLaff tends to cut loose when he runs out of scripted rebuttals, only to re-appear at a later time, or on a differnet thread with the same greasy baloney...}

Very funny guy. Please dont let my seemingly absence lead you into a false sense of security. As I've earlier said, I've had to redo my deleted original writeup to yours, so will soon dish up and serve the new one once completely done and ready. The king's palace that got burnt, added beauty to it.

VBCampaign:
MuttleyLaff it seem you found your match ^^^

My hand no dey o... Make I face my Prosperity Preachers o jare

Carte blanche, however it's better to walk alone, than be with a crowd strolling in the wrong direction.

ThothHermes:
Yes yes!!!

This is going to be fun. Muttleylaff wants to ride a dragon.
Targaryen style.

Go and re-read my comments above, where you will find out I typed that, I not only mounted the dragon beast, rode and tamed it, but I slayed it too, then after that, dissected it, to find what the dragon beast been feeding on.

ThothHermes:
Bros I don laugh tire here. If Muttleylaff escape this one eh...

Homosexualist.

Casually blaspheming

I never hear this kind thing before

"Siddon there dey look. Me wey I don gba igi relay, wọn o le mu mi, I don escape". Loosely translated means "I have taken the relay baton stick and running down the lane unbeaten, I have escaped the clutches". Watch this space, soon you'll hear yelping, you'll hear grown arse men in pains, in severe pains, wincing

Agrogbeide:
Asin ehn...... I love their use of English especially in defending their Faith and their vast knowledge about it. This was what drew me to muttleylaff until I discovered that he was a supporter of LGBT. However I still learn from some of his posts but this time I'm very careful about it.
TV01 on the other hand is something else, a perfect match for muttleylaff. We have elaborated more on this issue of homosexuality in another thread and muttleylaff keep mentioning those against it as if they will have a rethink in a hurry.
Let's watch how this episode play on this thread.

No, no, no, I've told you before now Agrogbeide. I am not proselytizing. When I have to say something, it is to comfort or challenge whosoever reads it. Also I've come to learn that, sometimes it’s enough to just plant the seed, and walk away. Let the seed die, find root, germinate and the flower, grow on its own. Besides, you know this yourself Agrogbeide, that there are a lot of things you dont know about this matter and that's why I am cool and OK with you because the minute you know and begin to understand or get it, then you'll have to deal with the truth and what you've got to know.

Now please tell Agrogbeide, how is it possible that anyone will have a rethink in a hurry, when I havent even scratched the surface of the matter yet huh?

ThothHermes:
MuttleyLaff we are waiting

I finished it, I mean my response to TV01 last night, but left it with the aim to upload in the morning. Apparently it didnt meet God's approval, so He got me delete everything, only for me to start all over. The western part have a colloquial, that states: "The king's palace that got burnt, added beauty to it."

Shepherd00:
permit me to borrow that term 'homosexualist'.

Wait until after I've responded to TV01 to see if its worth the borrowing at all, before lusting after it nau.

Shepherd00:
MuttleyLaff like Homosexuality pass food sef. Just mention homo before you add sex, he is there fuming from his nostrils.

He invaded my thread which had nothing to do with homosexuality and almost turn it completely to that.

The first Christian 'homosexualist' I have met.

"You are intimidated by my barrage of questioning. When you began feeling the heat of my questions, you changed the thread's original subject and theme about "The Book Of Enoch Exposed!!!!" to some unrelated, unconnected and totally different homosexuality subject"
- Re: The Book Of Enoch Exposed!!!! by MuttleyLaff: 8:36pm On Apr 28

"Please Sir, accord LoJ his due respect and decorum, by opening a thread and mention me, so that it doesnt look like you are trying so hard to sabotage and derail this exciting and interestingly unfolding thread.

I should warn you though, not to start and open a homosexuality thread you cant finish or see to the end
because I've noticed that the less people know of this homosexuality matter, the more stubbornly they think they know all about it"
- Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by MuttleyLaff: 5:59am On May 13

I am always astonished why liars' pants, ones like what Shepherd00 wears, doesnt actually catch fire. Literally not an iota, not a single word of this your comment is even remotely true Shepherd00. You can see from my 8:36pm On Apr 28 and 5:59am On May 13 comments above there in inverted commas, that what you falsely accuse me of, is something you and your ilk regularly enjoy doing to me.

Shepherd00:
MuttleyLaff get mind tell me say homosexuals kissing themselves is allowed by God as Joseph fell on his father's neck and kissed him, and Paul said Christisns shd kiss each other. So, yes men kissing men is scriptural.
You have heard anything so blasphemous as this?

Look at him again here doing another barefaced lying like a cheap Persia rug

I dare you, to print here the full thread sequence of what you said, and my response to what brought about what I typed after that had to do with kissing

Shepherd00:
Oh, I used to like him, until I discovered he was gay warrior.

Many have an image of me. Few get the picture Shepherd00.

Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors, like your pitiful self and the likes of jesusjnr, elated177, Agrogbeide, TV01 etcetera go to war first and then seek to win. If you know the defeated warrior(s) and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. I don't want blow my horn, but I am really excellently and better qualified than you and any of your ilk fellow defeated warriors, in putting the record straight in order to make the true facts known that having sexual feelings towards the same sex is not a sin and to tell the truth that God NEVER says Homosexuality is a sin, nor does God hate same sex couples, as in, God does not hate two easy going, ordinary consenting adults, minding their own businesses enjoying a life long caring, faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving each other lasting that's life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that has no detriment to another person, no betrayal of another person, or not cheating on another person, and not being harmful to an object or neighbour, mutually caring for each other, mutually respecting each other, mutually contributing to the well being of society and most importantly loving each other with a love that's until death do apart. They are two consenting adults that are not being promiscuous, so a good. They are two consenting adults, that are at peace with each other, with God and in truth, because their intentions are good and their hearts are pure, which also is another good thing.

VBCampaign:
No matter how you cut it, MuttleyLaff remains my biggest alley on Nairaland. I'm greatly indebted to his contributions to my threads from way back.

VBCampaign, these guys dont know that nothing spoil at all, at all.

Let them all ride with me, till the wheels break. It isnt called going for a spin, it’s called ride and get an education, because thats what dem jesusjnr, elated177, Agrogbeide, Alexandro15, Baddiezz, TV01, Shepherd00, ThothHermes etcetera will get. Efry day, efry day, monkey go leave home, go market, but one day, one day, hin go go, no go return back.

I appear weak when strong, and so why the like of TV01 and Shepherd00 deserve to be lulled into a false sense of security because of their pride in thinking they sense a retreat. I've had to redo my deleted original writeup to TV01, so will soon dish up and serve the new one once completely done and ready.

francis247:
Say what? � �

Why?
Arent all I typed true ni?

francis247:
Could this be true?

"¹⁸As Jesus was walking beside the Sea of Galilee,
He saw two brothers, Simon called Peter and his brother Andrew.
They were casting a net into the sea, for they were fishermen
¹⁹“Come, follow Me,” Jesus said,
"and I will make you fishers of men"."
- Matthew 4:18-19

Yes it is true, as well as never forget that only dead fish swim with the stream.

Give a man a fish and feed him for a day.
Teach a man to fish and feed him for a lifetime.
Give a man prosperity gospel religion and he'll die praying for fish.

May God bless your fish (i.e. as with, like in Luke 9:16-17 KJV)