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budaatum:
In those two verses, and other similar, I think the word "fear" is a are misstranslation.
It sure doesn't sit well with me.

The bav has them as The knowledge of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge but fools despise wisdom and instruction," says Proverbs 1:7
"The knowledge of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding," says Proverbs 9:10.

You might wanna apply a rubber to your's.

Fallacy of false equivalence! "Fear", does not mean, "respect"!
And I would think one sould have more respect for a God one has knowledge of than one is just afraid of?

In that context, it really means "respect", whether when being a noun or verb, it still, does means respect.
We're talking about obedient respect, centering round not wanting to offend,
centering round nursing the care or will to to please and comply with given instruction or order

People respect lions, by keeping safe distances, not necessarily because of fear, but for knowledge, wisdom & understanding of self preservation

People respectfully handle sharp knives blade edges, not because of being scared of knives, but to save oneself from accidentally knifing self

Mine was written in ink, not lead. Rubber would be useless, if it was needed

Illuminatus:
www.bbc.com/earth/story/20150924-the-truth-about-pigs

I am grateful to you for pasting that link.
It reinforces & substantiate the two reasons I gave, for why and how pigs are allowed to be consumed by Christians and whatnot

budaatum:
Fear isn't "intrinsically evil and offensive".
It is in fact a significant necessity in the development of the single individual and the entire human race.
Fear after all saved us being dinner for lions and stops many walking across busy roads with their eyes shut.
The doctrine of fear in Christianity however is a fear of ones own shadow at best hence hardly necessary.

I completely concur with the first two sentences

The third sentence, the consequences with "... lions and ... walking across busy roads with their eyes shut." are self inflicted situations

The fourth sentence, I disagree totally with, especially the "... a fear of ones own shadow..."

"The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge but fools despise wisdom and instruction," says Proverbs 1:7
"The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding," says Proverbs 9:10

When you lose respect for God, you look at His "thou shall not eat...." instruction with total contempt
The third sentence wouldnt have seen the light of day, if the above Proverbs 1:7 and Proverbs 9:10 were still in play.
We wouldnt be a lion's dinner, and we'll be walking through closed doors/walls unscathed or have cars on busy roads blitz through us uninjured.
Courtesy of grace and glorified bodies

budaatum:
Its because of the Laff in your moniker
Oruko ni o n'ro e!

Muttley laughs though not because Muttley is funny
but hey bud, please, you too have joined gang, bastardising the best language in the world
Was the apostrophe necessary in that remark?
Or is it a case of being borne out of an aesthetic pleasure?

budaatum:
Depends. Depends on whether one has the "spirit of power, love and a sound mind".

Of what relationship is a stick and a carrot to the "spirit of power, love and a sound mind"?
Does the stick beat it into the mind or is the carrot meant to bribe the mind? How is it good when it wasn't good when tempted on the mountain?

Everything is wrong when a doctrine of fear is promoted by a religion which also has a doctrine of love, I think.

C'mon now bud, you make it sound, like as if, fear is intrinsically evil and offensive

budaatum:
MuttleyLaff, you are funny!

I thought its because of Laff in the moniker
but alas, Nooooo o, its because I am learning, fast, from the best. You!

HappyPagan:
What if he's coming to save the sinners(muslims, hindus, atheists, homosexuals, catholic priests, fornicators) from Christ?

Jesus and his Father want to send all the people they don't like to hell fire. Maybe the Anti-Christ will save the sinners from his tyranny.

Christians should not fear the Anti-Christ. Without Christ, there will be no anti-Christ.

"And you should not be afraid of those killing the body but not being able to kill the soul.
Indeed rather you should fear the One being able to destroy both soul and body in Gehenna."
- Matthew 10:28

You have heard that the antichrist is coming, and already many such antichrists have appeared

If you have the spirit of power, love and a sound mind, you wouldnt fear the Anti-Christ(s)

budaatum:
As to the topic of the thread, "why do you fear the antichrist?"

I think it's because the religion that introduces the antichrist is practiced from a fear perspective with it's "you will surely die" at the very beginning, and of eternal damnation, being turned into salt, being drowned in a flood, swallowed by a whale, gnashing of teeth, not living eternally and burning in hell peppered through their text.
It's the hook used to catch the adherents who follow the antichrist doctrine.

You wouldnt fear the antichrist, if you have power, love and a sound mind

The emboldened are facts. It wasnt as if warnings weren't given
It is important that human beings take warnings seriously

"swallowed by a whale" is an odd one out and out of place to be listed along with the emboldened

"not living eternally and burning in hell" is carrot and stick. Nothing wrong in that or is there?

LordReed:
A very powerful scientist who was so powerful he controlled the city he was in, was creating dog breeds. He had created all sorts of dog breeds. Some for intelligence, some for speed, some for hardiness and some a combination "super" breed. One day, one of the super breed dogs somehow got infected by a deadly strain of rabies and started infecting the other ordinary breed dogs. It managed to infect a third of the population of dogs before escaping out of the facility with the other infected dogs because it was kinda super smart for a dog.

Now out in the city, these dogs start to bite people and infect them with rabies.
People are dying because this rabies strain acts fast and is quite fatal,
the dogs are many and quite fierce so it was hard to fight them off.
Now the scientist has a cure but says the time wasn't right for the cure to be released
and because he was powerful and controlled the city, he says the dogs shouldn't be killed.

Do you think the scientist is being fair?
If you were the scientist, would you behave in the same way?

1/ How did the dogs start to bite people?
2/ What means did the dogs come through to bite people and infect them with rabies?
3/ Were the people not warned about dogs, especially the alpha male dog?

The scientist is being fair, if he knows the end from the beginning, and so therefore means, the end justifies the means
There definitely is a method in the scientist's madness

The scientist comes across as someone who knows perfectly well what he is doing,
comes across as someone who has everything under control
so I would certainly do the same, if I were to be the scientist and knowing everything the scientist knows

EMEKUSBOY9:
Please oooo, I do not understand my self again.
i was praising God when something like a thought or a voice came too me concerning something
and i became confused bcoz i know that thought or voice was actually false.
but my problem now is that can the devil speak negative to someone heart even when praising God?
I was thinking only God speak to people when praying

"My sheep listen to My voice; I know them, and they follow Me."
- John 10:27

"Peter asked,
"Ananias, why did you let Satan fill you with the idea that you could deceive the Holy Spirit?
You've held back some of the money you received for the land."
- Acts 5:3

"Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you."
- James 4:7

The thought or voice is real
The devil hasnt anything positive to say or speak about
As a matter of fact, the devil's is an expert in speaking negative things to someone's heart, most especially when praising God

fineboynl:
you have not answered the question,
would Jesus have allowed the demon into sheep?

"¹⁰The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy.
I have come that they may have life, and have it in all its fullness.
¹¹I AM, the good shepherd.
The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep"
- John 10:10-11

It was obvious from my post, what my answer to the question is
but here is the answer, as you want to hear, loud and clear

If it were to be sheep, Jesus wouldnt allow the demons, to enter into them.
It will be over Jesus' dead body before the demon will have any chance, if at all, to get into the sheep

fineboynl:
the demon that possesses the mad man make him dirty like a pig.
negative spirits is what make humans dirty and live like a pig.
if you have a good spirit you would be very neat.
reasons you shouldn't eat pigs.

Eating pig will not make anyone spiritually unclean
The reason you should not eat pig, is if you're unsure of whether or not, the pig has been tested for health hazards like trichinella etcetera

What you going to say to Naijas that eat dogs, catfish, bushmeats, lobsters, shrimp, crab soup, rabbits etcetera?

fineboynl:
why did Jesus allowed/send the demons into pigs?
would he have done the same if it were to be sheep?

The demons begged Jesus,
'If you drive us out, send us into the herd of pigs.'
He said to them, 'Go!'
So they came out and went into the pigs,
and the whole herd rushed down the steep bank into the lake and died in the water.
-- Matthew 8:28-34.
the word sheep is very vital to Christianity and it origin.
the reason I ask this is to test the contents how Jesus would have reacted to the demons if they indeed asked to entered a sheep?

we remembered that David who is next to God heart ( he was described as “A Man After God's Own Heart”) he put his life inline to save sheep's from Wolf and Lion.

also there are countless of verses that made mentioned of the "Sheep and Shepherd" sheep's are reared for their meats okay.
now would Jesus have allowed/send the demons to sheep's?
the contest would explained deeply if pigs is allowed to be consumed by Christians or not.

after all no one would allowed a demon into anything that he/she certified as food. except things that are regarded as abomination.

"And the pig, though it has a divided hoof, does not chew the cud; it is unclean for you."
- Leviticus 11:7

"And you may not eat the pig.
It has split hooves but does not chew the cud, so it is ceremonially unclean for you.
You may not eat the meat of these animals or even touch their carcasses."
- Deuteronomy 14:8

The demons wouldnt ever ask to be allowed/sent into the sheep's because they know the word, know the bible

Like attracts like, demons are unclean spirits,
so they were naturally attracted to the conveniently nearby herd of pigs, that are known for being unclean

Pigs (i.e. bacon, sausage, pork belly, pork scratchings, spare ribs etcetera)
are allowed to be consumed by Christians and whatnot because of the following reasons:
1/ Biblical food laws for religious reasons are no longer required
2/ Food Hygiene Regulations, Food Safety Act and Food Standards Agency protects consumers from getting access to food that is unsafe to eat
and/or that is harmful to human health

solite3:
so you agree that homosexuality is a perversion but again you contradict your own words, this thread is not about other perversions but homosexualism.

Dont twist and misrepresent what I wrote.

I replied that:
"There are a lot of other things that are a perversion of God's order
For example, man eating the fruit off the ToKoG&E is a perversion of God's order."

and that was, in response to you saying:
"homosexuality is a perversion of God's order"

solite3:
what is ToKoG&E?

ToKoG&E means Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil
Oh c'mon now, "man eating the fruit off the..." is a dead giveaway to what ToKoG&E is.

solite3:
Mr shrimp why does it bother you so much?
you greatest worry should be God not me?

You can call and/or address me "Mr" whatever suits your fancy
Justice, the absence of it, is why it bothers me so much
The prejudice against people in same sex relationships, that is especially in a way, very unfair, is why I am bothered

solite3:
double what?
you call God's standard double standard?
men you in a very big mess.

I call you out
I call you out, the one behaving as if, he doesnt fart and when he farts, his fart doesnt smell

I know you love your catfish delicacies, know you love your lobsters, know you love your shrimps, know you love your crab soups,
know you love your snake soups, know you love your bushmeats
Should I throw in rabbit, also for you?
Now tell, solite3, are any of the lot above, abomination enough for you, and so, not to eat?
What an irony. Can you see now, the double standard?

What of times when your partner puts on your chequered shirt or boxer shorts?
Oops, look at what Deuteronomy 22:5 says about that. Tut-tut-tut.

solite3, the point here, is that we often throw words about, without understanding them, just like you've just displayed
and unwittingly use them in our typical relaxed unconcerned and prejudiced attitude, all to enforce all kinds of discrimination.

solite3:
I've told you before that homo is a disruption of God's order even nature abhors it what wickedness can be greater than this? mr?

I am again giving you a chance to tell.
Here comes another opportunity. Why not tell. Please dont squander it

1/ What is wickedness in a consenting adults, having a faithful, committed, honest, loving, lasting that's life-long and loyal same-sex relationship?
2/ When, where and how does even nature abhor it?

solite3:
Mr ignorance, an abomination is something distasteful and unnatural.
now Mr ignorance is homo not distasteful?
is it not unnatural? sex is not a thing of mere pleasure, it suppose to lead to procreation,
now is that abomination (yea it hurts) called homosexualism not a rebuff of God's intention?

After we've pushed out the facts and truth, then you can air your opinions and argue your ignorances

I am very grateful to you for defining abomination.
It shows you understand what the word abomination means in toto

This means, if you really know your bible well and are sure of what you've been writing about,
then to answer these two simple and easy questions, should be a walkover as easy as reciting A, B, C piece of cake matter

Please dont duck the questions, like as if you want to have the reputation for dodging questions.
1/ To whom, does the bible say, bestiality is an abomination to?
2/ On to Whom, does the bible say, the acts in Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 are an abomination to?
3/ What does the original word (i.e. toevah) translated as "abomination" means
and in what context is it, used with Leviticus 18:22 & Leviticus 20:13?

solite3:
do you know what is called sin?
not just in the old testament even in the new testament
homo is called a vile affection, meaning something offensive

solite3? solite3? solite3?
How many times did I call your name?
OK, now solite3, explain how and why consenting adults, having a faithful, committed, honest, loving, lasting that's life-long and loyal same-sex relationship is vile affection and offensive

solite3:
Romans 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections:
for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

You would accept and agree that there was no such thing as woman lying with woman in Old Testament Biblical records

Fast forward to New Testament Biblical records, and boom! What have we?
Women, now too, are doing the female equivalent of, man lying down with man.
Women have joined gang. Left ordinarily being a shrine prostitute, for just men, but now offering the similar service for female patrons too

Now if you've all along thought this was about sheer consenting adults, having a faithful, committed, honest, loving, lasting that's life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, then you have been misinformed

What happened?
Well, as I earlier said, which you arrogantly dismissed as if flimsy
is that for your information, Romans 1:18-32, especially verses 24, 26 & 27 is a rehash of Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 with a twist

Paul, with Romans 1:18-32, especially verses 24, 26 & 27, is echoing what happened around when Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 were given.
He then added the twist (i.e. Romans 1:26b: ... for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature)
which is, the women too, have joined to be participants in the ongoing "detestable customs practised"

solite3:
what made the world abnormal?
what happens when men decides to shade and defend such abnormalities?
the wrath of God is coming upon this godless rotten world.

Calm down brother. Calm down.
Chill with all this your huffing and puffing
What you going to do, if you're living in Ireland, where its prime minister, is in a faithful, committed, honest, loving, lasting that's life-long and loyal same-sex relationship?

solite3:
comparing dung with cake, I am talking of God's standard you are talking of human standards.

God loves consenting adults, having a faithful, committed, honest, loving, lasting that's life-long and loyal same-sex relationship just the way they are.

solite3:
trying to twist the truth, Roman 1:27 said men did that Which is unnatural.
the sexual feeling between men and women is natural,
so Paul was not talking of promiscuity but homosexualism a dumb twisting anyway.

The most commonly way, people get or transmit venereal diseases like gonorrhoea, HIV etcetera is through indulging in promiscuous sexual behaviors.

The above sums up Romans 1:27b. Thats it in a nutshell, no need to twist, nothing to do with twisting brother

solite3:
Lord have mercy!
homosexualism and other abomination was a normal practiced in Sodom and Gomorrah why did God destroyed them if it was normal? mr?

Tell, was Sodom and Gomorrah destroyed because they had consenting adults, in faithful, committed, honest, loving, lasting that's life-long and loyal same-sex relationships?
Or was it because of something else other than that? Like a custom practised, God finds disturbing?

solite3:
Ephesians 2:2
Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world,
according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

Revelation 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars,
shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

homosexualism, bestiality, lesbianism and all manner of sin has one reward eternity in the lake of fire, Jesus Christ is the only solution to your sin problem

You do still lie, dont you?
Cast your mind back, try and remember. When was the last time you lied solite3?
Will you possibly lie today, if not, maybe tomorrow?

solite3:
your questions sounds like "how does serving idols equals hating God?"

this is why homosexuality is wickedness

homosexuality is a perversion of God's order.

There are a lot of other things that are a perversion of God's order
For example, man eating the fruit off the ToKoG&E is a perversion of God's order.
Why have to put this sexual orientation thing on your head like as if you're a shrimp

You and your double standard,
tell why and how "homosexuality" is wickedness, becomes inexplainably for you to do

solite3:
it is one of the manifestation of man's rebellious state,
I didn't say homosexuality is the only wicked act, there are other abomination, such as bestiality.

You're dropping words, like "perversion" and/or "abomination" to sound big.

You dropped and used the word "abomination", like you're well informed to know the context of how the word originally was used

If you really know your bible well and are sure of what you're writing about, answer these two simple and easy questions,
dont duck them, like I am getting used to you doing.
1/ To whom does the bible say, bestiality is an abomination to?
2/ On to Whom does the bible say, the acts in Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 are an abomination to?

solite3:
Romans 1:27
And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another;
men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

We live in an abnormal world
It is abnormal for a homosexual to be a heterosexual and vice versa
If you arent gay, it is abnormal for you to act gay,
for one that's gay, it is natural for such act and/or to be gay

C'mon, its not that hard to get the gist of Romans 1:27 now
Whether you're homosexual or heterosexual, if you're promiscuous, you'll get the clap at least, if not AIDS
Commit indecent acts and be prepared to receive the due penalty of the error and foolish deed.
That's a guarantee.

solite3:
And God haters are promoting this abomination and supporting it.
read Romans 1:27 slowly,
all sin is evil but some sins attract swift judgement from God. eg homosexuality.

You havent a clue what the abomination is all about
You should borrow a leaf from your advice.
You should calm down, farabale, slowly but loudly read not Romans 1:27 but more, as read Romans 1:18-32

For your information, Romans 1:18-32, especially verses 24, 26 & 27 is a rehash of Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13
where at, Paul, is echoing what happened around when Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 were given

The same abominable practice, that was happening in Canaan, in the Leviticus 18:22 & Leviticus 20:13 times, were still around and happening in and around Rome.

Incidentally, the Leviticus 18:22 & Leviticus 20:13 times, Romans 1:24, 26 & 27 times practice, is still very much around, and as far as I know, happening in, at least present day, India

As a matter of fact, again, this abomination, this abominable act that happened in Romans 1:24-27 still happens in India

Donald95:
He didn't make a point today as what he said does not concur with the Bible verses quoted.

So you dont find that, on the neck hanging amulet resting on the breast area, with someone's smiling pic on it, creepy?

It is only someone that's conceited and with big balls,
that will allow and have the audacity to have his smiling face used as an amulet cos it allegedly has miraculous powers

Donald95:
Trust me this is the first time am seeing these Bible verses.
I never knew Atheists spend more time on bible trying to find points to counter the bible even more than some Christians

Are you brushing daily?
Having tooth truth decay?
Fight tooth truth decay
Brush up on your Bible with studying it daily then

BetterPoison:
What does the Bible say about Christ?? Why didn't he have a woman. Maybe he had a thing for men

The bible says Jesus came to die.
Not to have a woman, not to have a thing for men.

God gave Jesus to die for our sins, period.

Jesus, confirmed this, at the ninth hour, on the cross at Golgotha, the skull-shaped hill in Jerusalem, when He said "Eli Eli Lama Sabachthani"

"Eli Eli Lama Sabachthani" when correctly translated, means:
"My God, My God, this is why You kept me"
or "My God, My God, this is My destiny" (i.e. I was born to do this)
or "My God, My God, this is what You permitted"
or "My God, My God, this is what You allowed"

solite3:
homosexuality was one of the wickedness in the land of Sodom, it didn't start that day.

Genesis 13:13 But the men of Sodom were wicked and sinners before the LORD exceedingly.

How you managed to embroil "homosexuality" into the word wicked used in Genesis 13:13
and then after, single "homosexuality" out, to be wickedness, escapes me.

Fill your boots!
1/ What is the wicked in "homosexuality" that made Sodom and Gomorrah to be chosen for destruction?
2/ Where is the wickedness in "homosexuality"?
3/ How does,
Genesis 13:13's "But the men of Sodom were wicked and sinners before the LORD exceedingly" equate to say and/or mean "homosexuality"?

solite3:
op presents evidences from the Bible that shows homosexuality is a sin both in the old and new testament because some see homosexuality as just a sexual orientation.
Homosexuallity was one of the sins that made God swiftly destroyed the city of Sodom and gomorrah
Read it up you'll get the message.

Sodom and Gomorrah was already designated for destruction, before the city's men lusted after gender same sex as their own.

Sodom and Gomorrah was designated for destruction, not because the city's men lusted after gender same sex as their own.
Read it up you'll see.

budaatum:
You noticed the use of the carefully chosen 'd' in a word at the end. Consider the 'gs' to be carefully chosen too.

If you want to be defined as a worshipper of God,
then your "if God were my god"
should be "if God were my God"
Please, at least, be consistent.

LordReed:
Hahahaha, oh you want me to carry the same fear you carry right? LoLz!

This is the thing.
I never once carried or harboured the fear though.
It's a mind thing I never and didn't entertain.

LordReed:
LoLz, folktales are supposed to scare me?
Maybe when I was under 10 years old, not today bruv.

[img]https://s1/images/MuttAmin.gif[/img]
Boo! Got ya. Scaredy cat
We are grown,
that's why you sabi get mouth now

Bossontop:

Odunlade be like : leave dah tin jhur.... We international fam...... Its a small somtin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23DSjUvuykk

Odunlade be like:
Leave dah tin jhur. Na dem dey rush us

#IfYouKnowYouKnow
If you know, you know

redditor: I dealt with a guy once who wanted me to take on his road traffic accident PI claim.
He had written a poem, in Yoruba, about the accident.
He refused to tell me anything about his case until he's read the whole thing, in Yoruba.

Among other problems, I can't speak any bleeping Yoruba. As in, not one word.
As in, that day was the first time I had ever heard of the Yoruba language.
I'm not even from a part of the world where I might readily be mistaken for someone who speaks Yoruba.
It's a West African language, and I am really, really obviously not from a West African background.

I try to explain this to the guy who becomes very agitated and insists that he must read out his poem in Yoruba.
I give up and tell him to get on with it so we can talk about his claim. He does. It takes him nearly 20 minutes to finish.

Anyway, after he's done, he finishes and sits back with a big smile and says that he's certain I'll take his case on now.
I begin to ask him some questions about his case, but he refuses to answer.
He says that this poem (in Yoruba) is everything I need to know about his case.

Basically, I tell him to Bleep off and stop wasting my time.
He does, but not before standing around outside my office for an hour or so,
reading out his poem, to no-one in particular, over and over again in Yoruba

wiegraf:
Heres an American lawyer's response to the question
"what's the stupidest case you've been asked to take on (and did you)?

So, why didn't it work?

If at all it works, it wouldnt and/or doesnt work across the Atlantic

LordReed:
Can you show me where in the OP "Ọfọ̀ Asẹ" and/or "Ògèdè" is written?

NPComplete:
That is easily inferred from the OP. It doesn't need to be stated. And those are the nouns used in Yoruba language.

Thank you NPComplete for this response

LordReed, the word poem, in the OP was for the unenlightened, used as a euphemism in place of "Ọfọ̀ Asẹ" and/or "Ògèdè"

LordReed, you wouldnt, by some chance, heard or know anything about the Fadeyi Oloro, Orisa Bunmi, Esu Kekere etcetera of this world?

"Eyi a fi sọwọ ọtun, ọwọ ọtun nii gbe
Eyi a fi sọwọ osi, ọwọ osi nii gbe

Eyi a ba wi fọgbọ, ni ọgbọ ngbọ
Eyi a ba wi fọgba, ni ọgba ngba

Ọrọ, ti okete, ba ba, ilẹ sọ, ni ilẹ ngba.
Gbogbo ẹyin haters mi oo, awọn ọta mi o, ẹ maa bayi gangan, gbe ori wọle
Ẹ pada, si ibi ti, ẹti dede wa.
Bẹẹẹẹẹẹẹẹẹẹẹẹẹẹẹẹẹẹẹẹẹẹẹẹẹẹẹẹni mo sọ
Emi lo sọ bẹ

Kosekose, ni ti, ilakọsẹ.
Ko ri bẹ, Ko si se bẹ.
Tuo! Ko se bẹ!! (Tuo, is spitting saliva forcibly from the mouth, as a sign of coming to the end and/or highest point of the incantation)
Poo! Poo!! Pooo!!! (grande finale sound coming from, three times, tapping charm on floor or any nearby object to end incantation with)
Ki Asẹ gun!!!"

The above is a snippet sample
Told you, for the unenlightened, this can be an experience, scarier than the "Ojuju Calabar" you upandan was mentioning on the other thread

#IfYouKnowYouKnow
If you know, you know

TheUbermensch:
So I stumbled upon this question on a FB page minutes ago.

Not an atheist myself but it had me thinking.

You can't be held accountable for something you have no knowledge about.
The reason why you don't dip your hand into fire is because you know it'd burn you,
but before knowing you can always try it.

So I need possible smart answers please.
No one should tell me "carnal mind cannot understand spiritual things" as that has become the slogan of dull bornagains.

To start with, you can be and would be held accountable for not being trustful,
for not believing Whom warned you and for having total disregard for what you were warned against doing

Knuckling down, I am not about making up, what the expression, the Tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil, means.

The original word used, instead of Good, in the original text is "Beautiful"
and equally, the original word used, instead of Evil, in the original text is "Adversity"

Before continuing, are you perchance, familiar with merisms?
Merism, is a figure of speech that has a combination of two contrasting words to refer to an entirety and all parts within each of the two words.

"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth" is a merism
"Good evening ladies and gentlemen" is a merism

Well, the Tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil is an expression figure of speech, that too, is a merism.

Good, in the context used, is translated from a word, that means and typifies "Beautiful"
and Evil, in the context it is used, is translated from a word, that means and typifies "Adversity".

So its "Beautiful", as in, everything dandy and good
and its "Adversity", as in, every hardship, bad and ugly, difficult or unpleasant situation that possibly can happen.

Eating off the tree, will open the eater to experience several of parts of all that's "Beautiful" and all that's "Adversity"
Eater will experience and begin to judge between beautiful and adversity.

Will begin to tell, begin to see, begin to determine what is good times, what's bad times, what's pretty, what's ugly, what's etcetera
Essentially the whole shebang spectrum will unfold into the eater's world.

Eating off the Tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil,
will open the eater up, to experience several of parts of all that's "Beautiful" and all that's "Adversity"

All that's "Adversity", is, as it were, like opening a Pandora Box, of some sort.

Adam and Eve, ate the fruit, for the sake of having the experience.
Case of, if you've never tasted a bad apple, you would never appreciate a good apple.
If you've never put your hand into a fire, you wouldnt fully appreciate a hand that's never being put into a fire

No one complains over a defective Microsoft word document(s), when it is the normal.dot file template, its composed from, that's corrupted.
The defective Microsoft word documents gets fixed, by repairing the corrupted/damaged normal.dot file template

LordReed:
LoL! Is that what it was supposed to be?
It never occurred to me until your statement.

Shocking you didnt know that is "Ọfọ̀ Asẹ" and/or "Ògèdè"
It's simply reciting "Incantation(s)" which are "words of Power" allegedly to gain advantage, favour or an edge
Patrons employ it for good and nefarious activities

For the unenlightened, this can be an experience, scarier than the "Ojuju Calabar" you upandan was mentioning on the other thread

budaatum:
[url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+6%3A27-36&version=NIV]Luke 6:27-36[/url]

Who's Your Daddy?

The entire Chapter 6 is enough to get the ire of us atheists up.
The issue with it is that we just can't find any Christians who actually 'believe' it, least not by their behaviour.

As many you find that believe it would suffice. The more the merrier.
No one, not even Christians, have a monopoly of believing it

budaatum:
But let me explain.

Say I have a god whom I worship. Would I not try, really really hard to do the will of my god? I think I will.
Especially if by so doing, I receive all the rewards my god promises me.
But this is not only about the "great rewards"!
For as the text says, "and you will be children of the Most High".
And this, even more than being a Christian, is essentially what would define me as a worshipper of God, if God were my god

What would be the will of this fictional god?
Mind you, the underlined god, in the emboldened, should have it's first letter capitalised and not be a first letter lowercase

budaatum:
Now, it might of course be that being a Christian is of more importance than being a "child of the most high".
And that the rewards of being a Christian are greater than being a "child of the Most High".
But I'm certain many would assume the two, being a Christian and a "child of the most high", are synonymous.

So how does it work that I can have enemies whom I hate, curse those who curse me, not pray for those who mistreat me, slap others even before they slap me, not give my shirt to those who take my coat and not be kind to the ungrateful and wicked, and still claim I am a child of the Most High?

You're right about the assumption, that many think being a Christian and a "child of the most high", are synonymous.
Sadly the assumption is wrong, and this all happened from supressing the truth

Its similar to being Black and being called a nigger.
No matter how much anyone wants to sugar coat the truth, the two are not synonymous

It works with the powerful four letters word – "LOVE"
Love conquers all and that's why Love encourages us, to do good

budaatum:
Perhaps some just have different Daddies, I can't help but wonder.
Or you're just taking the piss with your God!

Your conclusion actually is spot on.
Spiritually, there are two:
Daddy and daddy aka Father and father

Not taking the piss, just admittedly, a work in progress mere mortal

JoannaSedley:
He has a way with words ...

Did you read where he calmly and cooly put down
"...after all Eve ate "an iPhone"..."?

Ingenious. Whats iphone's logo, if not a bitten partly eaten apple

JoannaSedley:
...and also very good in diving down the hill.
My ears are still tingling.

Yeah, bwahahaha ha.
The emboldened, that's very true as well. Kikikikiki ki.

JoannaSedley:
I have never been on a rollercoaster before and this writeup is making me dizzy

Its an epic write-up, innit.
I just had to bang a like on it.
Budaatum happens to be one of those, one can always rely upon, to liven up any thread a bit
and nine times out of ten, he doesnt fail to deliver or fulfil the hopes

budaatum:
And in the Quran, the Bagadavita, Alice in Wonderland, Things Fall Apart, Harry Potter, the Asvalayana Sutra, the Sankhayana Sutra and every other word generated by the human being for the advancement of the human being!

Yes, you will find word that comes from the mouth of God in the Quran, the Bagadavita, Alice in Wonderland, Things Fall Apart, Harry Potter the Asvalayana Sutra, the Sankhayana Sutra and every other word generated by the human being for the advancement of the human being and to the glory of God.

I tell you that, if they're to keep quiet, the stones themselves will start shouting.

budaatum:
Every word! And not just what is written in one single book!

Every word
and that includes what is written in one single book

budaatum:
I am tempted to ask you to turn this stone into bread, but you'd most likely misunderstand and twist it completely.

People do not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God

budaatum:
You need to stop with these wrong assertions!
budaatum is in no way perplexed or wondering, why any god took 2000 years to appear anywhere in any form!.

https://www.nairaland.com/4685746/beginning-snakes-legs/1#70505642
My apologies. I remember ascribing a like to the above post you impassionately wrote
but vaguely thought you mentioned 2000 years and Jesus in it.
I must have mistaken you for another. Sorry
Also that 2000 years, was meant to be 4000 years

budaatum:
buda perfectly understands that at best, it took that long for some Yahwehists to decide they had waited too long worshipping an unseen god and decided to deify and worship a seen one instead!

The only major wonder at the time was the realisation that they could freely create a god to bow to and worship!
They probably learnt it from the Romans, who were rather adept at creating gods out of their emperors.

What is perplexing, if anything, is the fact that your "likes mind of this world" haven't figured out how to create gods too

What are you bleating about now

budaatum:
What is perplexing, if anything, is the fact that your "likes mind of this world" haven't figured out how to create gods too.

For crying out loud. We are gods!
Don't you know we are gods?