 Christianity Etc › Re: Is Woman Not From God by MuttleyLaff: 4:02pm On Sep 16, 2018 |
budaatum:
You inferred that the "sons of god" meant the stars and the moon, and since the "sons" sang, one would infer the stars and the moon sang!
Need to check that last bold though. No, you misread the post. I nowhere said "sons of god" meant the stars and the moon What I typed, is that the "morning stars" are constellations, whilst "the sons of God" are the sun and moon |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Decades Of Sexual Abuse In The Catholic Church. by MuttleyLaff: 3:31pm On Sep 16, 2018 |
LordReed:
Follow up question, your painter guy doesn't have angels who are also supernatural beings? The Painter Guy of course has angels, they are natural and supernatural beings Even the Paint Guy, would you believe, is and/or can be an Angel LordReed:
No, I don't believe in any force/influence/power/intelligence/whatnot, thats beyond, scientific understanding and/or the laws of nature. Bwah! hahahahaha!! You dont!? Incredible. I think you better start explaining why not. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Is Woman Not From God by MuttleyLaff: 3:20pm On Sep 16, 2018*. Modified: 3:48pm On Sep 16, 2018 |
johnw47:
facts are:
the morning stars - the sons of God, in job 38 are angels,
they were singing and shouting at the beginning of the creation of the earth,
before the sun and the moon and the stars were made,
the morning stars - the sons of God in job 38 are not the sun, the moon and a constellation,
but keep fooling yourself johnw47, what purpose does the below writing serve, when written this way: " When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy"
as opposed to having it written like this other way:" When the morning stars sang together, and the sons of God shouted for joy" You're creating an invented tautology, if you equate " morning stars " & " the sons of God" to mean the same thing (i.e. angelic beings) It is just so incongruous, to be true, that " morning stars " & " the sons of God" are both used in one sentence, as in Job 38:7, to mean angelic celestial beings but hey what's my own, its kuku not up to me, to make you believe. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Decades Of Sexual Abuse In The Catholic Church. by MuttleyLaff: 3:04pm On Sep 16, 2018 |
LordReed:
LMFAO! You can like to dribble your shadow.
Answer this question and take your other answer back to the thread it originated from.
MuttleyLaff:
If you could be so wrong in saying I believe in supernatural beings,
and consider the universe a result of the actions of supernatural beings
then I wonder what else you're wrong about and ill-informed in
LordReed:
LoL, okay your painter guy is not a supernatural being?
What then is he?
Hahahahaha. I don't believe in supernatural beings but believe in the one and only supernatural being. It's you who doesnt believe the Painter Guy is the one and only supernatural being The Painter Guy is the personification of a force and so is a true and real supernatural being Now tell, dont you believe in a force/influence/power/intelligence/whatnot, thats beyond, scientific understanding and/or the laws of nature? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Decades Of Sexual Abuse In The Catholic Church. by MuttleyLaff: 1:22pm On Sep 16, 2018 |
LordReed:
MuttleyLaff
LMFAO! This is disingenuousness at its finest.
I asked you a question on this thread and you answer a different question from another thread so you can avoid my question.
No, sir, answer the question I asked you on this thread and carry your answer back to the thread to which it is the answer for a different question.
Hahahahaha. Thank God, this thread is only 5 pages long and because I started interacting with you from/on page 4, I didnt have much to trawl through. Guess what? Nada. I didnt see diddly squat that appeared to be a question related to and/or relevant to this thread's topic or to my comments posted on in here. So I dare you to reproduce your imagined question, to see how shockingly pronto it'll be answeredCan you see how much I don't mind going out on a limb for you to be gratified and how far I am prepared to go in making you feel contented? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Is Woman Not From God by MuttleyLaff: 12:35pm On Sep 16, 2018 |
johnw47:
mutt, if you didn't have your lack of understanding, your inability to admit a wrong, your absence of a clue, then you wouldn't have anything     |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Is Woman Not From God by MuttleyLaff: 12:16pm On Sep 16, 2018 |
johnw47:
oh duh mutt, false accuser, you sure have little understanding,
and are unable to admit you are wrong
job 38 tells of the angels, referred to their as the morningt stars, the sons of God,
singing and shouting at the beginning of the creation of the earth,
when God laid the corner stone of the earth,
which means when God first started the earths creation the angels were singing and shouting
Job 38:6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
you mutt also said the morning stars and sons of god in verse 7 is the sun and moon and a constellation,
you haven't a clue
[color=#800000]Muttley[/color] thanks again for the [color=#800000]Laff[/color]  " 1Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,
2Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?
3Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.
(i.e. Brace yourself like a man, because I have some questions for you, and you must answer them)
4Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
5Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
6Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
7When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?" - Job 38:1-7 You are more clued up and smarter than this johnw47 Is it really necessary to spell this out and/or painstakingly show where/how God took Job to task about creation? (i.e. where and how God challenged Job to a question and answer session) God, with a flurry of questions, was bombarding Job At Job 38:7, the haphazardly questioning, had moved on and away from laying down the foundations of the earth etcetera, to where was Job, when the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy Yes, johnw47, I said and still maintain that the morning stars singing are constellations
and that the sons of God shouting are the sun and moonjohnw47 do you understand the difference between invented truth and discovered truth?
Dont worry, if you dont, as I'll a tad bit, explain below nextYou learned a manufactured truth because you havent yourself discovered the truth about Job 38:7 You're creating an invented tautology, if you equate " morning stars" & " the son of Gods" to mean the same thing (i.e. angelic beings) johnw47, what purpose does this writing serve, written this way: " When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy" as opposed to having it written like this other way:" When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy" It is just so incongruous to be true that " morning stars" & " the son of Gods" in Job 38:7 are angelic celestial beings but hey what's my own, its kuku not up to me, to make you believe. I am just an angel, so dont shoot me, the messenger, just because you've missed the message. Keep up with the laughs, but just keep in the back of your mind, I'll have the last laugh and you know what that means. Means, I'll laugh the best |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Decades Of Sexual Abuse In The Catholic Church. by MuttleyLaff: 12:14pm On Sep 16, 2018 |
LordReed:
You like to ask questions in answer to a question.
Why not answer my question before asking yours. I meant to type "dont" instead of "do" I have seen where you purportedly asked me a question What I read the below, as to be, was that it was a rhetorical question MuttleyLaff: Emergent phenomenonLordReed: And that excuses him how? Now you dont expect me to straightaway answer the " And that excuses him how?" comment without knowing what you deem He is to be excused from but I will Surprisingly to you, He doesnt excuse Himself LordReed:
Please show the sequence, I am sure it will be very instructive. You afraid of straining your eyes and fingers? Start from clicking on here, that's from where you introduced suffering into the discourse You can do the rest of heavy lifting yourself searching and looking for the invaluable and/or instructive sequence LordReed:
LoL! What is the difference between mice that turn into horses and a talking donkey? Cinderella and Bible LordReed:
LMFAO! Pain? For a fairytale? Dude please stop, my mouth is hurting from all the laughing. LoLz! You can deny you are not pained, that you are not in severe pains but you cant deny you're a strongly bitter, twisted, cynical and high negatively charged up scoffer. LordReed:
Actually, I correctly judge that in the grand scheme of the universe, I am infinitely inconsequential. Hurray, we making progress. He knows he is a god, albeit it unwittingly came out Why are you selling yourself short? Dont you know who you are? Stop it! Stop it now. Dont be hard on yourself. You are not, in any shape or form inconsequential. You're among the top in the consequential pecking order Ah. Kilode. Trust me. You can be at ease and take that to the bank Its true what I earlier said about you, that you have an exaggerated sense of yourself, have an exaggerated sense of your value & importance but that didnt mean, to say, you are not important LordReed:
To a universe that has seen 13 billion years, what is a speck that will endure 70 to maybe 120 years, if circumstances permit? First get this straight. It is quality rather than quantity that matters Its never about the number of life years spent, what matters and what it really is about is the extent of lives and quality of the lives impacted by the x-amount of life years spent LordReed:
You lot on the other hand think you matter,
that there is some god that will rearrange the universe for you, LoL. Every one matters. You're 110% correct, that there is no god that will rearrange the universe There just isnt any god capable of doing that LordReed:
Tell me who is the conceited one here? LoLz You dont really expect me to tell you this. This is one moment on how not to be insensitive. I am going to pass telling you Why dont you hazard a guess and after that look in the mirror to confirm who you see |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Decades Of Sexual Abuse In The Catholic Church. by MuttleyLaff: 9:06am On Sep 16, 2018 |
LordReed:
LoL, okay your painter guy is not a supernatural being? What then is he? Keep up with the laughs, but just keep in the back of your mind, I'll have the last laugh and you know what that means. Means, I'll laugh the best Now tell, dont you believe in a force/influence/power/intelligence/whatnot, thats beyond, scientific understanding and/or the laws of nature? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Mary Is Not The Mother Of God by MuttleyLaff: 8:23am On Sep 16, 2018*. Modified: 1:03pm On Sep 16, 2018 |
solite3:
1/ how hard is it to understand that?
God does not have a mother.
Mary became the mother of Jesus by virtue of Jesus physical birth not divinity. I am grateful to you for your excellent replies First and foremost. God, in this context, is principally referring, to Jesus so means Jesus, God had a mother, that mother being Mary Mary became the mother of Jesus,
became mother of the God incarnate, the God in flesh, the God in human form, by virtue, of a God physical and natural birthRemember solite3, he don tey wey yansh don dey for backRemember that God had, previously a couple of times, been appearing on earth physically or in physical forms
but with Mary, this is the first and only time, He comes to earth naturallysolite3:
2/ Mary Carried the God-man in her womb does not mean she was the mother of God,
'Mary the mother of God' was not taught in the early church Oh c'mon now. Study the word, to show yourself approved... "Mary the mother of God" is taught in the bible Even better, you solite3, if you do the right thing is a mother of God solite3:
3/John 20:27-28 does prove Jesus is God
but not that God had a mother. I love the careful thought or honesty you demonstrated here however contrary to how you see it, the God began having a mother the moment God popped out of Mary You cant deny this simple fact and straighforward " korokoro" truth nau. solite3:
what you are insinuating is that Jesus divine nature and his human nature are one and the same which is wrong.
the.
Jesus was God from eternity but added a human nature in cause of time.
this two nature's became one (united) not mixed or changed or the same. Is it not this same " Jesus was God from eternity but added a human nature in cause of time" that Mary gave birth to? solite3:
Do you know Jesus never called Mary Mother in the bible? He never called Mary Mother in the bible but said who His mother is Please notice that unlike you, I didnt have the first letter in mother, capitalised or be in upper case letter M. solite3:
why? There is no why because you are asking an invalid why question solite3, read and listen to this questions and answers below Teacher: solite3 is your dad, right? solite3's Kid: Yes, he is, Teach Teacher: How old is your father then? solite3's Kid: He is 6 years Teacher: What? How is this possible? solite3's Kid: He became father only when I was bornNow here are 4 simple questions, I know you easily can answer 1/ When the God, become father, at what time? 2/ When did God, become Son, as in, at what time? 3/ How did God, become Father? 4/ How did God, become Son? solite3, I think you'll by now have seen the light after reading the above short Q&A and answered the 4 short and simple questions. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by MuttleyLaff: 7:18am On Sep 16, 2018 |
brocab:
Then do you believe his tithing to his pastor is supporting him? Maybe his tithing to his pastor is supporting him. I dont know. I however do believe, he earns a livelihood, asides regularly remits accrued tithes to Christ Embassy Headquarters at Oregun, in Lagos. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Decades Of Sexual Abuse In The Catholic Church. by MuttleyLaff: 7:05am On Sep 16, 2018 |
LordReed:
You lot who believe in supernatural beings, who consider the universe a result of the actions of supernatural beings If you could be so wrong in saying I believe in supernatural beings, and consider the universe a result of the actions of supernatural beings then I wonder what else you're wrong about and ill-informed in LordReed:
Or what will happen? Why are you worried about something that has not happened yet. I dont know yet what will happen. I guess time will know, as time is a snitch LordReed:
You'll sue me to court or call the police? LMFAO! Sue you to court or call the police ke? Suing you or calling the police will be an overkill It'll be like swinging a sledgehammer to swat a pesky fly |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Is Woman Not From God by MuttleyLaff: 6:42am On Sep 16, 2018 |
johnw47:
mutt, the sun and moon and constellation couldn't have sung and shouted when the earth was formed on the first day
because the sun and moon and stars were not made until the fourth day
Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
Gen 1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
Gen 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
Gen 1:15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
Gen 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
Gen 1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
Gen 1:18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
[color=#800000]Muttley[/color] thanks for the [color=#800000]Laff[/color] MuttleyLaff:
Laugh as best as you can
Meanwhile just remember that he who laughs last, laughs the best
"And God made two great lights;
the greater light to rule the day,
and the lesser light to rule the night:
he made the stars also"
- Genesis 1:16
You behaving like a drowning man desperately clutching at whatever reed/straw is in sight, he can grab on, to stay afloat
I earlier reminded you that Context is King
Job 38:7, is a good 30-plus chapters faraway from Job 1:6 and Job 2:1
The meaning of sons of God in Job 1:6 and Job 2:1, isnt similar to the meaning of sons of God in Job 38:7
Job 38:7 is about God taking Job to task,
asking him about what he knows about creation and where was he during creation
and particularly when the sun, moon and the constellation in the Genesis 1:16 account were present It is embarrassing and disgraceful to see that you didnt properly read the post and subsequent ones like the one immediately above It's either you in a quick or hasty manner read the post or you're being mischievious and so communicating lies You dont need laughs from me because you are a real barrel of laughs the way you responded to the post SMH, there is always going to be the one, that will be feeling uncomfortable, when truth is told Please show from this thread or any other place,
where I said, anything about the constellation singing and sun & moon shouting, on a first day the earth was formed.If you cant show where, if you are unable to produce anything, then please, retract your false accusations and tender public apologies accordingly I know your accusations are unfounded Now, you being one, that does understands the meaning of honour and integrity can be expected to know the needful that needs to be done here Dont let me down. I trust you to eat humble pie and swallow pride Just a brotherly and friendly advice, next time, all it will take, will be a question(s) to clear matters up If you had asked, I would have for free, told you that it was at the end of creation that the singing and shouting together happenedand not the first day nor fourth day you've misundertood the post and Job 38:7 to be saying |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Know Ye Not That Atheism Is Within You. by MuttleyLaff: 9:58pm On Sep 15, 2018*. Modified: 9:12am On Sep 16, 2018 |
LordReed:
How about you answer my own question first before you ask me another. I honestly do dont remember you asking me a question I havent already answered or given a response to Kindly re-ask or re-post the question, so that, if I hadnt already answered it, I can then, answer it the best I am able to LordReed:
How about not requiring death in the first place?
How about building the perfect trouble free world you'd have us believe is in the after life before all the nonsense your fairy tale said happened? SMH, I am so sorry. Merely out of curiosity, what do you know about death? Pulling from, all you know about death, and in an inexhaustible manner describe death in terms of what death really is &/or what death is about LordReed:
Then don't make disgusting allusions.
Telling me all the suffering in this world is comparable to a parent disciplining their children.
Only sick people think that suffering of that magnitude is how a child should be treated. I vividly remember who introduced "suffering" into our discourse I vividly remember, when and how you, brought in "suffering" into our discourse I can show the sequence of posts showing how and who, introduced "suffering" into our discourse, so please don't accuse me of making disgusting allusions things, I never made and/or dont accuse me of telling you that all the suffering in this world is comparable to a parent disciplining their children, I never told you LordReed:
The Quran, the Book of Mormon, Tales by Moonlight, Cinderella, etc. Eating well is a form of self-respect Watch what you eat Not many can eat any of those and be sanely the same again If you know you cant eat the straw without spitting out the stick then be careful of what you eat, else you'll become what you eat or worse LordReed:
You sir are the confused party here.
Teachers try their best to communicate effectively, their joy being their students aceing their exams
but your paint guy is playing hide and seek while still requiring people to ace the ultimate exam.
Here you are telling me he is suave. LoL.
Damn this is delusion at its finest. You come across as pained, like in pains, severe pains. Also bitter, twisted and highly negatively charged up LordReed:
LoL, I don't believe your fairy tales doesn't mean I don't know its contents.
I only point out how much like a fairy tale it is. LMFAO! The arrogance of an " I know its contents" yet delighting in his own ignorance I'll repost below, my comment, that you, without reading it properly, hastily replied to: " Do you know what is really unbelievable?
Its reading you not being informed but being plain just presumptuous
and having an exaggerated sense of yourself, value and importance" |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Decades Of Sexual Abuse In The Catholic Church. by MuttleyLaff: 9:58pm On Sep 15, 2018*. Modified: 11:32pm On Sep 15, 2018 |
LordReed:
LoL! Unlike you lot I don't deny my humanity.
I don't blame any gods or devils for the circumstances in the universe. Which " you lot" have you taken the liberty to lump me together with now? If you dont deny your humanity, dont blame God, gods or the devil, for the circumstances in the universe, then welcome to the fold. LordReed:
I am perfectly happy contemplating all my nastiness and how I can better myself Good. Good on ya. It's a good place and way to start from. When contemplating, consider doing it, opening up, dont hide, lose the inhibition, ask and question always to a void. LordReed:
not believing fairy tales of heaven or hell or gods with incessant demands of sacrifice. Eating well is a form of self-respect Where and what have you been eating? Only you know, how you mean, with those three in " not believing fairy tales of heaven or hell or gods with incessant demands of sacrifice." LordReed:
So yeah infinite fingers are pointing at me but they are all human not any gods or devils. Not so fast Jose. Come back 'ere Let it be the last time, you try twisting up and misrepresenting what I type. I typed that: " You point an accusing bony and crooked finger, not realising that three fingers are pointing back at you" (i.e. three other bony and crooked fingers that are yours, are pointing back at you) |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Mary Is Not The Mother Of God by MuttleyLaff: 7:39pm On Sep 15, 2018*. Modified: 8:45pm On Sep 15, 2018 |
solite3:
yes the human nature and his divine nature were united in one person but God has no mother,
motherhood is a biological function not applied to the divine nature.
in this way yes Mary gave birth to the God-man but she is not the mother of God. 1/ Biological function is not applied to the divine nature? What!? You better start explaining how you mean by this 2/ Was the divine nature, inside Mary's womb, for nine months or not? 3/ Look at John 20:27-28 below for a sec, now tell. Why gangan is Mary, not the mother of God? solite3:
yea was both God and man but never the mother of God " 27Then Jesus said to Thomas,
“Put your finger here and look at My hands.
Reach out your hand and put it into My side.
Stop doubting and believe.”
28Thomas replied,
“My Lord and my God!” " - John 20:27-28 solite3, solite3, solite3, How many times did I call you? Hmm. Efrebor efrebor you go wound o! This table that you're shaking whilst standing on it, you will lose your balance and fall, if I am to join and shake the table with you |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by MuttleyLaff: 6:34pm On Sep 15, 2018*. Modified: 10:51pm On Sep 15, 2018 |
Ubenedictus:
for starters the prosperity gospel that turns God into a money bag
and becomes weird when pastors threaten with cursed and hell fire over tithe.
It is one of such poo that the Pentecostal churches allow,
add that to the love of fragmenting into contradictory sects.... [img] https://media./images/67655b5f3cd33f3b5dd36ab93a020e58/tenor.gif[/img] Is that them? Are those your examples, of the sh!t, you know, that should be corrected? Where have you, all these years, been? Have you been living under a rock? Wake up Ubenedictus and smell the coffee For the past ten years plus, threads have been opened all over the place, here, in the Religion section criticising the prosperity gospel as a gross distortion of the truth The Riot Act has been read and continues till tomorrow to be read, as regards monetary and/or monetized tithe, obtained in the form of ecclesiastical tithing, that's obligatory or imposed. Exposé galore were done about obtaining pecuniary advantage by deception on penterascal pastors get their hands dirty with filthy lucre, and threatening the sheeple with curse and hell fire over tithe withholding. So now that you're aware of the above, what do you want done more?Hang on, wait a minute, your given examples arent even sh!t. They aren't sh!t at all. They aren't proper sh!t. They aren't, anything like, you know, that annoying sh!t that refuses to getting flushed What binds them together is stronger than whatever fragments them into contradictory sects. The contradictory sects are unified by what altogether binds them. All fingers arent alike, your fingers Ubenedictus aren't the same length. So Ubenedictus, why not do this. Look at the contradictory sects, like, they're five fingers, who are brothers but arent equal in length, yet are part of the body at the end of an arm |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Decades Of Sexual Abuse In The Catholic Church. by MuttleyLaff: 7:31am On Sep 15, 2018 |
LordReed:
LoL, actually all the collective gods hold their noses when I fart. LMFAO! Oh, you could have knocked me over with a feather that you fart Wow. For a moment, I thought you're the epitome of perfection that you're an expert in knowing how properly things should be done, handled and tackled. You point an accusing bony and crooked finger, not realising that three fingers are pointing back at you |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by MuttleyLaff: 6:01am On Sep 15, 2018 |
brocab:
Ok thanks for the input
- next time I will read his pages more clearly
- interesting, thanks
- another one on the hit list, well by his photo's he isn't one that carries a pocket full of money.
So if tithing isn't really working for anybody then they need to stop tithing!.
Looking at petra1 photo he doesn't look like a rich man,
if tithing is his main goals, then he needs to prove this
by his structure 'looking at him he smiles like a poor man-his cheap clothing tells the story!
Have you ever seen a rich man's structure, everything about a rich man, his pride, a rich man is all about money,
and what fits in with money "Everything without God..
This is one of the reasons I know tithing doesn't support a poor man's theories.
We see rich men and women always, and we see the middle class men and women always
- but sadly tithing had made Petro1 to poor to recognise he even exist. Looks can be deceiving. Were you expecting him putting on draping and flowing agbada or babaringa? Nothing in the pic tells a hardship or poverty story He looked every inch rich, clean and well groomed to me in the pic. He had neat hair, chic clothes on, as in the high street branded pair of jeans and jacket, that fitted him well. The beaming smile on his face showed, a satisfied and contented person, at peace with himself and God. Petra1 will be LOL reading your comments He'll probably admit to the " I am a Small structure, with a big God" sanitised version expression. Some might look small, but dont be deceived by that structure or appearance, because unbeknownst to you, they're actually are big in terms of financial power and philanthropy |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Decades Of Sexual Abuse In The Catholic Church. by MuttleyLaff: 12:39am On Sep 15, 2018 |
LordReed:
You are just as bad as they are.
You would rather bind us to the crude and archaic worship of the primal gods of man's past, with all their incessant demands for appeasement. And I can detect a likely disdain for homosexuals and the transgendered.
You don't escape the revealing glare of rationality. How about you? Are you too just as bad? Yes? No? Do you fart at all? Dont your fart smell bad? Oh. I get it. Your fart has a deodorized good smell. Right? So means you're exempt from all these jagbanjatis, you're off the sanctimonious hook |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by MuttleyLaff: 11:54pm On Sep 14, 2018*. Modified: 12:26am On Sep 15, 2018 |
brocab:
Thank's
- so petra1 is a Christ Embassy
- I had always believed he was Catholic
"right" another megachurch that's found by pastor Chris Oyakhilome then what's all the big fuss about tithing
- the tithing system should be common to him. Thats the thing, Petra1 is a staunch advocate of tithing and he is one for that matter, who strongly supports & endorses monetary/monetized tithing up to the hilt He regularly remits accrued tithes to Christ Embassy Headquarters at Oregun, in Lagos. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by MuttleyLaff: 10:49pm On Sep 14, 2018 |
brocab:
petra1: Is Catholic, they don't call their giving a tithe,
because there main focus is on purgatory and indulgence, they believe paying into there treasury, saves them abundantly,
it's a get out of Hell card, it saves them from burning.
But I suppose tithers, believe tithing blesses them, the more they tithe, God's building their mansions in heaven.. petra1: Is Christ Embassy and not Catholic brocab Ubenedictus who quoted your comment is a self-proclaimed Catholic and reason why he responded to your post with: " Catholics don't pay for indulgence no more. you guys show correct your own poo" I've asked Ubenedictus, for examples, of the sh!t, he knows, that should be corrected |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Is Woman Not From God by MuttleyLaff: 7:46pm On Sep 14, 2018*. Modified: 8:16pm On Sep 14, 2018 |
Maamin:
Lol!
Patiently waiting for your interpretation of those verses If you couldnt handle and get to grips with what sons of God really are in Job 38:7 what makes you think you'll take in and stomach the explaining of the true meaning of the sons of God in Job 1:6 and Job 2:1. Maamin:
This is really interesting. The really interesting thing is that, the use of the expression, sons of God, in Genesis 6:2 came full circle with the use and it's earlier mention, in Job 1:6 & Job 2:1. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Tithes And Offerings by MuttleyLaff: 7:08pm On Sep 14, 2018 |
plainbibletruth:
Topic: Is Tithing Relevant to Christian Age?
By Tim Iwe (Evang) 07038669369
Introduction
It is quite a blessing to have the privilege of writing an article like this at a time that this subject is in the airwave. There may not have been a best time to discuss this than now. My appreciation goes to Lusada congregation for creating the platform to share this special information so that many will not be ignorant of the will of God (1Thess.4:13). It is said that if you are not informed, you will be deformed. Christianity is an area that many are deformed from time to time due to acceptability of different personality as authority instead of looking for that which is right from the Holy book. The Pharisees asked Jesus “…by what authority do you do these things and who gave you that authority” (Matt.21:32) There is need to find out the source of authority of your action especially on matters of faith for false teachers are in the field deceiving many.
The subject of tithe paying have been a heated argument in the Christian faith from time to time. I call your attention to some reasons in the written word of God concerning this subject. I plead with you to examine the reasons stated below so that you can know that you are obeying God when you pay tithe or not. An action comes from faith in God when it is according the will of God (Heb.11:6) and the will of God is written in the book of life.
Origin of tithe in Ancient Palestine
In the first place, where did Abram who first gave tithe to Melchizedek (Gen.14) got the idea from?
There was no law given to our Patriarchal fathers like Adam, Noah, Abram, Isaac and even Jacob to pay tithe.
According to the work of Let Us Reason Together, (2009) “Giving a tithe (a portion) was not just a practice by Israel, in ancient history it was practiced throughout the Middle East.
It was income for the king and his kingdom, like a tax.
It may be regular, voluntary or prescribed by law of a certain country.
The Egyptians were required to give a fifth part of their crops to Pharaoh (Gen. 47:24).
Abraham, Jacob and others were familiar with this principle being in foreign lands;
however, it was not yet given as a command for their nation.
How and Why did Abraham and Jacob paid tithe?
Let us now call attention to one misconception about Abram and tithe paying. There are many who make reference to Abraham today when they want to pay tithe. Paul made it clear that we are children of Abraham by faith (Rom.4:1) Let me shock you first by opening your eye to this truth that reading well about the first tithe recoded in the Bible, you will understand that Abraham did not even give tithe from his possession. Read the statement again. I mean it and that is the truth. He paid tithe only once in his life time. It was not commanded but incidental. He gave tithe from the spoils that he brought back with him from a war (Gen.14:1-18). He gave away ten percent of other people’s captured commodities (Heb.7:4) Note that verse 4 of Hebrews chapter 11 calls it “spoils” Let me also make you to understand that Abraham did not even take any part of what he used in paying that tithe home (Gen.14:21-24)
You can now see that Abraham did not became rich because he paid tithe.
He was rich before paying tithe once for life which was not from his possession.
The tithe Abraham paid is NOT by command but a free will offering.
Abraham was never taught or instructed by God to give a tenth, nor did he discover the law of tithing.
As recorded in Genesis 28: 20: ”And Jacob vowed a vow, saying, If God will be with me, and will keep me in this way that I go, and will give me bread to eat, and raiment to put on, So that I come again to my father’s house in peace; then shall the LORD be my God: And this stone, which I have set for a pillar, shall be God’s house: and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee.”
This second case recorded before the law of Moses was done once too.
Why take a command from what these men decided to do on their own not commanded by God?
Law of tithe among the Jews
Let us now look briefly into the law of tithe given to the children of Israel and see if it is the same with what is going on in so called godly assembly today. Because of space, it will be in an outline format here but it will be understandable too. Akpobọmẹ (2018) in his work on tithe classified the OT tithe into 4.
1. The Main Tithe: all Israelites were commanded to pay this to the Levitical priests (Num.18:19-32; Mal. 3:7-10). See also Deut.18:3-8; Neh. 13:10-12).
2. Yearly Tithe: every Jewish family is expected to celebrate once every year with their families in Jerusalem or a selected location by God (Deut.14:22-27; 2Ch.6:6).
3. The Third Year Tithe: This was a communal fellowship for the poor, the widows, and the strangers, which was celebrated before God once every three years. It was equally important under the Law of Moses just like the other tithes (Deut. 14:28, 29).
4. The Tithe of Tithes: This was the tithe to be given by the Levitical priests to God from the tithe they collected from the Israelites (Num.18:25-28).
It is Disobedience to Pay tithe with Money
There is another important eye opener we want to show you now. Are you ready for the shocker? It is act of disobedience to God for a Priest to collect tithe from a fellow Priest (Num.18:21,24,26) for the Levites were not allowed to have inheritance. It is also showing a high level of disrespect to the grace of God today to pay tithe with money. Yes, the reason is that such kills the purpose of the tithe (Deut.14:24-26) God did not ask Israel to give their money but to give food items. It seems to me that you are saying in your mind that is what I have today. If God is omniscient, then He knows that you have money today but did not ask you to pay money as tithe. The Jews had money then too but God asked for products from them not money (Deut 26:13)
The Change of Priesthood and its Implication
It is painful that the most confusion that exist in Christian faith today is as a result of many not accepting that God has done away with the laws of Moses. It is not a challenge that stated today, even the Jews find it very difficult to accept that simple truth. That was the war between them and Paul in his earthly ministry. The author of the Book of Hebrews in Chapter 7 gave a analysis that concluded in verse 12 with this statement “For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law” Why are many people fighting God today who made it clear that He had done away with the first covenant upon which the law was set. He has done away with the Levitical priesthood upon which tithe was set. Please, can take a break and read the bible passages below and your eye of understanding will open to these simple truth. (2Cor.3:6-12;Heb.10:9,10;Rom. 7:1-7; Col. 2:14,16; Gal. 3:24,25)
Divine law of Giving in Christianity
You then may be wondering how will the church care for her workers and meet her daily needs and mission projects. Like most other organizations, the church needs financial income to accomplish her work. Knowing this, God has authorized churches to raise funds by taking up collections from the members (1 Cor. 16:1,2; 2 Cor. 8 & 9; Acts 4:32-5:11; 11:27-30; 2:44,45). However, the principle guiding collection by Christians is different from the one guiding the payment of tithe.
Let Us First Give Our Lives to God’s work freely today
Our lives presented as holy offering on the water of baptism for the remission of sins is what is most important to God (Acts.2:36-42) The kingdom of God on earth in a composition of those who have given their lives to be guided by the doctrine of the Apostles (Acts 2:42) They are saints whose minds are going through transformation daily till it gets to perfection (Rom. 12:1-2) These are disciples who have been taught and determined to give according to their ability.. (See also 2 Cor. 8:12; Mark 12:41-44; Matt. 25:14-30.)
Conclusion
The law of old was interested in the physical or the man while the law of liberty in Christ is interested in the heart of man and why you do what you are doing. Giving is one way you show your service to God and it must be done as you propose in your heart, cheerfully and not by compulsion. Tithe is of compulsion and therefore is a cause in this dispensation to any to pay it and fail in other laws (Gal.3:10) God loves a cheerful giver.
Work Cited
1. Diffrẹ-Odiete Akpobọmẹ New Testament Christianity
and Payment of Tithe (2018)
2. http://www.letusreason.org/doct54.htm
3. Wiersbe , Warren W. The Bible Exposition Commentary: Old Testament © 2001-2004 by All rights reserved MuttleyLaff:
Abraham tithing wasnt even voluntary and discretionary
Abraham, simply was following a customary practice that needed to be carried after successful win(s) of fighting a battle or war.
Abraham gave tithe under a custom law of that prevailing society setting,
this compelled him to give a tenth of war spoils to a king cum priest of considerable or worthwhile repute
The first appearance of tithing, in the bible, does get a first mention between Melchizedek and Abraham
however, the truth is, neither Melchizedek and Abraham started the 10% giving otherwise known as tithing,
As a matter of fact, tithing was a prevailing practice in the secular world of the Mesopotamia bible day times of that era
Abraham didnt take up arms and go into battle again, so there was no reason for Abraham to tithe again,
and so no reason to tithe to Melchizedek or to any other local ruler cum priest worthy of consideration
This is why there is not another mention of Abraham repeating an act of giving tithe again |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by MuttleyLaff: 7:02pm On Sep 14, 2018 |
Ubenedictus:
I didn't say there are no indulgence, I said Catholics pay for indulgence no more.
some bishops were using it to make money. the church reform such practices and made sure nobody was made to pay for indulgence.
as I said it is time you guys handle your own poo. Examples. Like what? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by MuttleyLaff: 6:53pm On Sep 14, 2018 |
plainbibletruth:
Topic: Is Tithing Relevant to Christian Age?
By Tim Iwe (Evang) 07038669369
Introduction
It is quite a blessing to have the privilege of writing an article like this at a time that this subject is in the airwave. There may not have been a best time to discuss this than now. My appreciation goes to Lusada congregation for creating the platform to share this special information so that many will not be ignorant of the will of God (1Thess.4:13). It is said that if you are not informed, you will be deformed. Christianity is an area that many are deformed from time to time due to acceptability of different personality as authority instead of looking for that which is right from the Holy book. The Pharisees asked Jesus “…by what authority do you do these things and who gave you that authority” (Matt.21:32) There is need to find out the source of authority of your action especially on matters of faith for false teachers are in the field deceiving many.
The subject of tithe paying have been a heated argument in the Christian faith from time to time. I call your attention to some reasons in the written word of God concerning this subject. I plead with you to examine the reasons stated below so that you can know that you are obeying God when you pay tithe or not. An action comes from faith in God when it is according the will of God (Heb.11:6) and the will of God is written in the book of life.
Origin of tithe in Ancient Palestine
In the first place, where did Abram who first gave tithe to Melchizedek (Gen.14) got the idea from?
There was no law given to our Patriarchal fathers like Adam, Noah, Abram, Isaac and even Jacob to pay tithe.
According to the work of Let Us Reason Together, (2009) “Giving a tithe (a portion) was not just a practice by Israel, in ancient history it was practiced throughout the Middle East.
It was income for the king and his kingdom, like a tax.
It may be regular, voluntary or prescribed by law of a certain country.
The Egyptians were required to give a fifth part of their crops to Pharaoh (Gen. 47:24).
Abraham, Jacob and others were familiar with this principle being in foreign lands;
however, it was not yet given as a command for their nation.
How and Why did Abraham and Jacob paid tithe?
Let us now call attention to one misconception about Abram and tithe paying. There are many who make reference to Abraham today when they want to pay tithe. Paul made it clear that we are children of Abraham by faith (Rom.4:1) Let me shock you first by opening your eye to this truth that reading well about the first tithe recoded in the Bible, you will understand that Abraham did not even give tithe from his possession. Read the statement again. I mean it and that is the truth. He paid tithe only once in his life time. It was not commanded but incidental. He gave tithe from the spoils that he brought back with him from a war (Gen.14:1-18). He gave away ten percent of other people’s captured commodities (Heb.7:4) Note that verse 4 of Hebrews chapter 11 calls it “spoils” Let me also make you to understand that Abraham did not even take any part of what he used in paying that tithe home (Gen.14:21-24)
You can now see that Abraham did not became rich because he paid tithe.
He was rich before paying tithe once for life which was not from his possession.
The tithe Abraham paid is NOT by command but a free will offering.
Abraham was never taught or instructed by God to give a tenth, nor did he discover the law of tithing.
As recorded in Genesis 28: 20: ”And Jacob vowed a vow, saying, If God will be with me, and will keep me in this way that I go, and will give me bread to eat, and raiment to put on, So that I come again to my father’s house in peace; then shall the LORD be my God: And this stone, which I have set for a pillar, shall be God’s house: and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee.”
This second case recorded before the law of Moses was done once too.
Why take a command from what these men decided to do on their own not commanded by God?
Law of tithe among the Jews
Let us now look briefly into the law of tithe given to the children of Israel and see if it is the same with what is going on in so called godly assembly today. Because of space, it will be in an outline format here but it will be understandable too. Akpobọmẹ (2018) in his work on tithe classified the OT tithe into 4.
1. The Main Tithe: all Israelites were commanded to pay this to the Levitical priests (Num.18:19-32; Mal. 3:7-10). See also Deut.18:3-8; Neh. 13:10-12).
2. Yearly Tithe: every Jewish family is expected to celebrate once every year with their families in Jerusalem or a selected location by God (Deut.14:22-27; 2Ch.6:6).
3. The Third Year Tithe: This was a communal fellowship for the poor, the widows, and the strangers, which was celebrated before God once every three years. It was equally important under the Law of Moses just like the other tithes (Deut. 14:28, 29).
4. The Tithe of Tithes: This was the tithe to be given by the Levitical priests to God from the tithe they collected from the Israelites (Num.18:25-28).
It is Disobedience to Pay tithe with Money
There is another important eye opener we want to show you now. Are you ready for the shocker? It is act of disobedience to God for a Priest to collect tithe from a fellow Priest (Num.18:21,24,26) for the Levites were not allowed to have inheritance. It is also showing a high level of disrespect to the grace of God today to pay tithe with money. Yes, the reason is that such kills the purpose of the tithe (Deut.14:24-26) God did not ask Israel to give their money but to give food items. It seems to me that you are saying in your mind that is what I have today. If God is omniscient, then He knows that you have money today but did not ask you to pay money as tithe. The Jews had money then too but God asked for products from them not money (Deut 26:13)
The Change of Priesthood and its Implication
It is painful that the most confusion that exist in Christian faith today is as a result of many not accepting that God has done away with the laws of Moses. It is not a challenge that stated today, even the Jews find it very difficult to accept that simple truth. That was the war between them and Paul in his earthly ministry. The author of the Book of Hebrews in Chapter 7 gave a analysis that concluded in verse 12 with this statement “For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law” Why are many people fighting God today who made it clear that He had done away with the first covenant upon which the law was set. He has done away with the Levitical priesthood upon which tithe was set. Please, can take a break and read the bible passages below and your eye of understanding will open to these simple truth. (2Cor.3:6-12;Heb.10:9,10;Rom. 7:1-7; Col. 2:14,16; Gal. 3:24,25)
Divine law of Giving in Christianity
You then may be wondering how will the church care for her workers and meet her daily needs and mission projects. Like most other organizations, the church needs financial income to accomplish her work. Knowing this, God has authorized churches to raise funds by taking up collections from the members (1 Cor. 16:1,2; 2 Cor. 8 & 9; Acts 4:32-5:11; 11:27-30; 2:44,45). However, the principle guiding collection by Christians is different from the one guiding the payment of tithe.
Let Us First Give Our Lives to God’s work freely today
Our lives presented as holy offering on the water of baptism for the remission of sins is what is most important to God (Acts.2:36-42) The kingdom of God on earth in a composition of those who have given their lives to be guided by the doctrine of the Apostles (Acts 2:42) They are saints whose minds are going through transformation daily till it gets to perfection (Rom. 12:1-2) These are disciples who have been taught and determined to give according to their ability.. (See also 2 Cor. 8:12; Mark 12:41-44; Matt. 25:14-30.)
Conclusion
The law of old was interested in the physical or the man while the law of liberty in Christ is interested in the heart of man and why you do what you are doing. Giving is one way you show your service to God and it must be done as you propose in your heart, cheerfully and not by compulsion. Tithe is of compulsion and therefore is a cause in this dispensation to any to pay it and fail in other laws (Gal.3:10) God loves a cheerful giver.
Work Cited
1. Diffrẹ-Odiete Akpobọmẹ New Testament Christianity
and Payment of Tithe (2018)
2. http://www.letusreason.org/doct54.htm
3. Wiersbe , Warren W. The Bible Exposition Commentary: Old Testament © 2001-2004 by All rights reserved MuttleyLaff:
Abraham tithing wasnt even voluntary and discretionary
Abraham, simply was following a customary practice that needed to be carried after successful win(s) of fighting a battle or war.
Abraham gave tithe under a custom law of that prevailing society setting,
this compelled him to give a tenth of war spoils to a king cum priest of considerable or worthwhile repute
The first appearance of tithing, in the bible, does get a first mention between Melchizedek and Abraham
however, the truth is, neither Melchizedek and Abraham started the 10% giving otherwise known as tithing,
As a matter of fact, tithing was a prevailing practice in the secular world of the Mesopotamia bible day times of that era
Abraham didnt take up arms and go into battle again, so there was no reason for Abraham to tithe again,
and so no reason to tithe to Melchizedek or to any other local ruler cum priest worthy of consideration
This is why there is not another mention of Abraham repeating an act of giving tithe again |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Is Woman Not From God by MuttleyLaff: 4:30pm On Sep 14, 2018 |
Mobilia:
Wow guys...lots of info here.
Gotta read through all of it...
Will be here on Sunday to finally, finally contribute  We havent even scratched the surface of the matter. I warned Maamin not to quote Job 1:6, Job 2:1 and/or Job 38:7, here, as being angelic celestial beings because he'll be making a grave mistake if he does, but would he listen. No |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Mary Is Not The Mother Of God by MuttleyLaff: 7:09am On Sep 14, 2018 |
solite3:
is there any place in the bible where Mary was called mother of God? " Why am I so honored, that the mother of my Lord should visit me?" - Luke 1:43 Yes, Luke 1:43 above Now tell. Who and what is your Owner/Creator called? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Mary Is Not The Mother Of God by MuttleyLaff: 10:18pm On Sep 13, 2018 |
solite3:
Mary gave birth to the man Jesus only not his divine nature.
one cannot claim to the father or mother of the child that did not originate from him or her,
so you cannot say Mary is the mother of God since God didn't originated from her.
for your question, my mother is not the mother of my spirit after death the relationship of mother and child no longer holds.
she became a mother on earth and on earth it ends. ♪ ♬ Mary did you know, when you kiss your little Baby, you kissed the face of God?♩ ♫Why are you so bent on denying Mary her motherhood? You can say Mary is the mother of God since she mothered God incarnate She brought up the God incarnate child She kissed the face of the God incarnate child with care and affection |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Know Ye Not That Atheism Is Within You. by MuttleyLaff: 9:20pm On Sep 13, 2018 |
LordReed:
What are you on about?
Is the emergent phenomenon out of his control?
How does it absolve him of complicity? You wouldnt be asking me this, if you had jẹjẹly answered the below repeated question, I earlier asked: " Do you, at all, know how character is formed?" Now tell, how is character formed? LordReed:
Yeah 7000+ years of people dying is small. Get a load of this guy.
You have such a disdain for your fellow man that the deaths of billions is small in your sight.
No wonder you believe in a sick god figure. My fellow man is worth dying for and the perfect Person to do just that, has. What's a more and better consideration and/or respect for a fellow man than that? Unbounded love, magnanimity, altruism, ungrudging kindness in action What can beat that? I know who a sad and sick figure is, and who is in dire need of proper meditation to heal the soul  LordReed:
Let my kid suffer a disease?
A missing limb or organ? Mental illness?
No sir, I am not a wicked parent. Who is talking of let kid suffer a disease, a missing limb, organ or mental illness? Glad you dont see yourself to be a wicked parent, so dont suggest otherwise to another you know nothing about Let me re-ask you the question againLike you dont let your adorable kid suffer for what you know, is good for the kid and kid's sake. Huh? Like, suffer a jab, to get better, from an infection, for example? LordReed:
One of them is called the Bible. What's the others? LordReed:
Well I guess we differ on the meaning of madness.
If for you letting billions die in pain and misery is sanity, sorry I mischaracterized this, you are the mad one actually. Bwahahahaha ha. Thats my best manic laugh impression. How do you rate it? Kikikikiki ki. LordReed:
If you are dumb enough to let your children suffer disease, misery and death as a lesson,
no court of law will give you a heavy enough sentence to befit your crime. Who is the child?. Who are the children? Arent you aware, there were no children to begin with? That they were grown arse adults (i.e. ADULTS) who were at the age of majority and so therefore, regarded to be intelligent and well informed enough to be responsible persons and be responsible persons such that accepts the results of the decisions he takes or she makes? LordReed:
If teachers taught this way we'd sack them immediately. So, you asked: " So your painter guy cannot communicate effectively?" but when I replied: " The Painter Guy is a suave and effective master communicator" You now, switch to: " If teachers taught this way we'd sack them immediately." Confused.com hasnt got your number nor anything on you. Keep up the calumny and slander work LordReed:
This is unbelieveable.
Is this a human being typing this or a robot? SMH Do you know what is really unbelievable? Its reading you not being informed but being plain just presumptuous and having an exaggerated sense of yourself, value and importance |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Know Ye Not That Atheism Is Within You. by MuttleyLaff: 4:25pm On Sep 13, 2018 |
budaatum:
The issue isn't quite whether there is a painter behind a painting,
but whether there is a painting to start with, and which painter may be behind it. The world is a canvass Everything until the work, was a blank canvass |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Know Ye Not That Atheism Is Within You. by MuttleyLaff: 4:21pm On Sep 13, 2018 |
LordReed:
And that excuses him how? Well done. After I have given you the reasons, you've changed your tune from " Then why is it here?" to " And that excuses him how?" LordReed:
7000 years of misery, suffering, dead and dying people is not the worst yet? Wow! Yup, 7000 is a small price to pay and is nothing compare to eternal bliss, tranquility, happiness, joy, calm, peace and untroubledness LordReed:
Yep, I won't understand why you think a being that promotes suffering is good. Like you dont let your adorable kid suffer for what you know, is good for the kid and kid's sake. Huh? LordReed:
Well that's what your fairy tale says, doesn't it? I am not familiar with this your alleged fairy tale Whats the fairy tale called? LordReed:
At least we agree on one thing, your painter guy is mad. LMAO! Though I am not mad, I sometimes do mad and/or crazy things. Besides that, there is madness in the method, I wrote, not that the painter guy is mad So please refrain from twisting and misrepresenting what I typed LordReed:
Yep, I won't understand why you think a being that promotes suffering is good. Like you dont let your adorable kid suffer for what you know, is for the kid's good. Huh? LordReed:
Well that's what your fairy tale says, doesn't it? I am not familiar with this your alleged fairy tale Whats the fairy tale called? LordReed:
Yes, telling someone they'll die because they ate a fruit makes a lot of sense (not!).
You tell your children you love, that if they eat that cake you put tantalisingly within their reach, they'll die.
Such a good parent you are (not!). That's the way the cookie crumbles. Do you at all know how character is formed? LordReed:
So your painter guy cannot communicate effectively? The Painter Guy is a suave and effective master communicator LordReed:
According to you, 7000+ years of human misery is too soon. LoLz! It'll be for as long as it'll take, for as long as it is necessary |
