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Maamin:
And these new beings that were created are the Nephilims (giants) and they were wiped away in Noah’s flood.

They truly were wiped out during the Noah flood
but guess what Maamin, the Nephilim (i.e. giant) gene survived

Maamin:
This interpretation is wrong.
There are still God's people today and when they mix with unbelievers there is no disastrous result that can occur as given birth to "Giants" or powerful men of renown "heroes of old."
Further, why would God decide to bring the flood on the earth (Genesis 6:5-7) when God had never forbidden powerful human males or descendants of Seth to marry ordinary human females or descendants of Cain?
The oncoming judgment of Genesis 6:5-7 is linked to what took place in Genesis 6:1-4.
Only the obscene, perverse marriage of fallen angels with human females would seem to justify such a harsh judgment and all that.

Through out the old testament the phrase "sons of God" always refer to Angels read Job 1:6; 2:1; 38:7.

You might want to ask, but angels are not meant to mate or procreate like humans? I will reply you when you do that.

A potential problem with this is in Matthew 22:30, which indicates that angels do not marry.
The Bible gives us no reason to believe that angels have a gender or are able to reproduce.

Jesus said "At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven."
However, the text does not say "angels are not able to marry."
Rather, it indicates only that angels do not marry.
Which in my opinion I could liken to God's jurisdiction or set boundaries for them.
Secondly, Matthew 22:30 is referring to the "angels in heaven".
It is not referring to fallen angels (Angels who do not keep their boundaries),
who do not care about God’s created order and actively seek ways to disrupt God’s plan.
The fact that God’s holy angels do not marry or engage in sexual relations does not mean the same is true of Satan and his fellow demons.

This should indirectly tell you that Angels who are spirit beings transformed into earthly human bodies should possess and be able to perform all human activities.
Take for example the angels that wined and dined with Abraham, the two angels in bodily form which the people of Sodom wanted to sleep with as well, Jesus who was once a spirit being but became flesh and blood dwell among us and even tasted death.

Sometimes, we give Satan and especially, like in this case, his angels, way too much credit
Imagine fallen angels having sex with human beings.
Who dash angels monkey banana?
I am sorry that is a bad pun so excuse it

To start with, after their rebellion,
Satan & his fallen angels, lost whatever abilities they might have had, to appear in physical human forms period.

Angels can ONLY appear in physical human forms and perform all permissible fleshly activities, if and/or when representing God.

Anything less than being in that official capacity, automatically renders such beings, ineligible from having rights to appear as a human being
and perform whatever permissible fleshly activities allowed

It just for such beings wont happen

Also whats important to know, is that, angels, never had, havent any mandate to procreate, that mandate was given to human beings

Maybe I am reading the bible upside down sha
but I know, if anyone exists, that's read in the bible about any fallen angel transforming into or appearing in physical human forms
and performing fleshly activities, that person will gladly point it out, where they've done so

Maamin:
I was expecting more explanatory reply with Bible references from you after waiting couple of days for your reply.

Yes! The Sons of God in Genesis were actually Angels and not godly sons of Seth.
This particular scripture has been greatly misinterpreted by many.
However, if we let the scripture to speak all through..i think we will surely get the true picture of what it says.

Like I earlier said that in old testament, the sons of God always refers to Angels. Citing

Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

Job 2:1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.

Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

In Gen. 6:1-2. Specifically says "Sons of God" and "daughters of men".
This indicate that they are distinct race of beings.

In verse 1 it says "when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,".
If, in fact the sons of God were men it should have read "men of God " took "daughters of men".
But if you ponder a little, these daughters of men were not said to be evil or bad apart from that they were fair.
What could be the reason for the corruption other than spirit beings of God leaving their original estate to bond with flesh?
Gen 6:3 "And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh:.."

The weakness of your assertion is that, ordinary human males(sons of Seth) marrying ordinary human females(daughters of men) does not account for why the offspring were "giants" or "heroes of old, men of renown."

Another reason is that, why would God decide to bring the flood on the earth (Genesis 6:5-7) when God had never forbidden powerful human males or descendants of Seth to marry ordinary human females or descendants of Cain?.
The union of godly men and ungodly women still occur till this day and does not result to "Nephilims (giants)"

You agreed concerning the three angels that ate with Abraham, you also agreed that
The men of Sodom and Gomorrah wanted to have sex with the two angels who were with Lot.
This indicate that angels in physical human form will perform all fleshly activities as humans do.
Though the people of S&G didn't know that they were even angels.
Jesus is the Son of God (a spirit being before he came to earth) but He took the form of flesh and was subjected through every feelings humans experience too.

In other to know exactly where you disagree..
i will like you to point out with particular scriptural reference that you think disagrees to this teaching and we would reason it together.

Maamin, you're my guy
but all your proposals and including the quoted immediate above too, unfortunately, have more holes in them than Swiss cheese

1/ Taking into account the Genesis 18:1-2, 20-22 narrative,
why were, the two in bodily form, which the people of Sodom wanted to sleep with, in the first place, at Sodom & Gomorrah for?
2/ If toeing the line of your construct,
why isnt Jesus, "who was once a spirit being but became flesh and blood dwell among us and even tasted death",
not born a Nephilim aka Biblical giant?
3/ What is the expression for the singular difference, between the body, angel(s) had, appearing as men
and the body, Jesus had, before He tasted death?
4/ Now what is the singular similarity between the body of angel(s) appearing as men
and the body of Jesus, "who was once a spirit being but became flesh and blood dwell among us..." after He tasted death?
5/ Are you aware that angels, whether fallen or not, are incapable of having physical and direct intimate sex with humans?

Maamin:
Looking forward to her rebuttals

Makes two of us then
and thats why I am rooting for her

Maamin:
I'm also learning myself.

We all are learning
Being ignorant is not so much a shame, as being unwilling to learn.
Learning at this side of eternity, only stops when we die

Maamin:
What is your take on this topic?

I've given a bit above,
few more follows below

youngfocus:
"That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair;
and they took them wives of all which they chose."
- Genesis 6:2

Please I don't understand this bible passage,
is the bible trying to say woman are not from God directly,
both man are woman are born same way,
but the bible make reference to man, as son of God,
but woman as daughter of man

Bible scholars in the house share more light on this.

My take, is that, the original poster's use of Genesis 6:2 to create the questioning "Is Woman Not From God" topic
stemmed from not understanding the verse, just as he rightly admitted he doesnt

If there were "sons of God", there will be "daughters of God"
just as, if there were "daughters of men", there will be "sons of men"

The bible, in John 1:12, says:
"But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God,
(i.e. she, daughters of God, as well) even to them that believe on his name"

Aside John 1:12 above, now the question is, what is it about being "the sons/daughters of God"?
The major & key thing in the "the sons/daughters of God" expresssion, really, is about dependence
Dependence upon what? Dependence upon who? you'll ask
Well, whoever or whatever your dependence is upon, gives away, whether you're part of, or not part of "the sons/daughters of God"

As, any, whether angels or human beings, living in full dependence on God, are called "the sons/daughters of God"
Any, whether angel or human being, fully relying upon God, of own free will and so in glad submission, is called a "son/daughter of God"

It is from youngfocus, the original poster's failure, in understanding Genesis 6:2, that made him ask:
"is the bible trying to say woman are not from God directly"
and to incorrectly misrepresent the bible with this next remark
"the bible make reference to man, as son of God, but woman as daughter of man"

Contrary to what youngfocus, the original poster, constructed,
the bible was not making and did not, make reference to man, as son of God, nor woman, as daughter of man
but rather made a statement of fact reference, to when sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair;
and they took them wives of all which they chose

Said, in a simplified way, some sons of God, saw the daughters of God that they might be fair like the daughter of men are;
but these sons of God, didnt take to, these daughters of God, as wives material, to chose from,
rather these other sons of God, preferred the daughters of men, as wife material

When one, fast forwards to Genesis 6:8-9, moving on from Genesis 6:2, then a proper understanding of the situation in Genesis 6:2, unravels.

Noah, as a son of God, had grace
with this grace/favour, he had the sense, to avoid "daughters of men" & stick to a "daughter of God" is what Genesis 6:8 is saying.

Genesis 6:9 corroboates Genesis 6:8, saying, Noah did the right thing (i.e. he was righteous)
and that among the people of his time, he had sound, unblemished & without defect judgement (i.e. he was blameless)
Also, that he didnt depart from walking habitually with God

Noah, was the only one, found in his generation, doing just exactly, what Mobilia succinctly said, earlier on page 1, that:
"God's people were not to mix with the unbelievers"

The budaatum, likes mind of this world, feeling perplexed,
now begin to wonder, why it took God, 2000 years to appear on earth in the person of Jesus

The "unbelievers" in Noah's time were, any that, maybe "the sons/daughters of men"

Recall above, that whoever or whatever the dependence is upon, is what opens the lid and gives "the sons/daughters of men" away

Mobilia:
Wow...I am shocked! What a surprise..
Brother, I say this with all due respect and deep sincerity.
This encouragement coming from you, brother...well I am truly, truly humbled.
Thank you...

Give me, everyday, a humble heart God, that I may hear Thee.

I noticed how you voiced out and rather walk alone, than with a crowd going in the wrong direction.
thats why I am rooting for you coz'

PrecisionFx:
Read it...

No one wants to admit or respond to your comment about the origin of those in present day Israel,
so I pasted that 3 days old recent tweet from Nethayanhu to kick some life and excitement into the OP and thread at large.

Mobilia:
Hi brother,
Yes....I'm sorry about that. I got terribly distracted....but I'm coming back...soon.
Thanks a million for your patience again...

Be encouraged,
and dont get distracted from the truth.
I believe you surely are coming back, and coming back not strong but coming back stronger.
Your scepticism is well founded,
and it is refreshing to see another take a stand like this

PrecisionFx:
Read it...

Read whose?
Read what part(s)?
Have the courtesy & balls, to tell, instead of grinning like a Cheshire Cat that got the cream

budaatum:
It's not available to me on prescription! Despite all my efforts.

The cheek! Can you believe some do get it on prescription.
Only oils though.

It's all going to change in autumn.
You'll then, easily be able to get it on prescription.

budaatum in autumn you'll be able to get it on prescription.
Not talking of poxy cannabis oil or the ones you can get over the counter at Holland & Barratts
It is medicinal proper cannabis, that will be available for prescrition in autumn, that we're talking of here.
So keep your chin up, autumn's round the corner

budaatum:
Yep, das mai rison 2.

U jus keep disivin ursef

Next week is autumn. Right?
Thank God, because by then, your GP will be able to let you have it on prescription
If you dont believe in God, send your thank you card to Sajid Javid

Who is disivin themselves? How is ursef, just keep disivin ursef

ipobarecriminals:
lying itself is a sin.
If u must preach d Gospel, do it without all these useless tale

That wasnt lying, that was excellent bait

Do you know why Jesus, in Matthew 4:19, said:
" Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men."

What you think is/are useless tale(s), actually is good and useful bait
It is offering on hook, something pleasant, that will attract and catch the attention of whoever is nearby or around

budaatum:
Clinical, nah! (As if there's really a difference).
I do plan to be in my house taking it.
No one else would be involved.
And it would relieve spasms in my left leg.

Clinicals dont take it for enjoyment,
they have it because of a necessity, necessity is to get relief (e.g. quick relief of leg spasms)

The one, on an ofo bike, in your neighbourhod, riding to make a delivery, is your nearest dealer.

budaatum:
Ah. Got you, somehow.

Anyone got a local deliverer please?

You wan high?
Is this for recreational or clinical purpose?

PrecisionFx:
this post is meaningless.

Which post?
Whats meaningless in it?

"The weak crumble,
are slaughtered and are erased from history
while the strong, for good or for ill, survive.
The strong are respected,
and alliances are made with the strong,
and in the end peace is made with the strong."
- Nethayanhu, PM of Isreal

I wonder why everyone kept quiet over PrecisionFx's comment

budaatum:
You're gonna have to tell me what you want me to get from it. It's completely incomprehensible to me.

The lyrical content "mo ti gbana" that means "I've had marijuana" is in harmony with the theme you and HappyPagan were jesting around with

budaatum:
Which brings s who? Yuk! Never can stand this "money girl 'n gun' rap crap!

It's about the lyric that referenced "motigbana"
and not about those distractions

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhHz1isphKQ

MuttleyLaff:
Erh, buda too forming raare.
You want to kẹgbẹ kẹgbẹ, you want to join gang?
Fi sh!t igbẹ lẹ fun agbepo

budaatum:
Lol!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIJ4vkDa5rI
Olamide ti gbana, but Wizkid isnt

budaatum:
Oh get with the program and pass that sh!t! My fuqing dopeman is on strike!
(Or maybe the police got him at last week's carnival!)

Erh, buda too forming raare.
You want to kẹgbẹ kẹgbẹ, you want to join gang?
Fi sh!t igbẹ lẹ fun agbepo

solite3:
It is impossible to live the Christian life without the Holy Spirit.
Hence Jesus promised his disciples the Holy Spirit.

Galatians 5:16
This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

Galatians 5:18
But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Galatians 5:25
If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.


when you are bornagain, you have a new life, a new nature Christ is born in you, you literally have eternal life ( God's type of life) but you have enemies who challenge your position which are,
1. Mr flesh

2. the devil.

as long as we are in this world we are in battle with those two foes, therefore if you are to overcome these enemies you need to walk in the Spirit. in other to walk in the Spirit, you have to be Spiritually minded.

you have to walk in the reality of what Christ has done on the cross not a defeated life.
walking in the Spirit is all about knowing your position in Christ and acting in line with that position.

for example as a bornagain, the Bible says you cannot sin what does this mean? it mean as a bornagain you are not a sinner( fornicator, liar, dishonest man etc), when you begin to live in this reality then you are walking in the Spirit.

stop living under condemnation! that is what the devil wants!
I remember when I first learnt how to ride bicycle, I was so afraid of falling that I tried to balance myself but I realized the secret of riding a bicycle is to keep riding and the law of dynamics will balance things out.

OK Let's consider another example, when Jesus walked on water. Peter saw him and ask Jesus to command him to come Jesus told him come, he began to walk on water, his attention was on Jesus, guess what happened, a wind came.
who sent the wind? ans: satan
what happened?ans: he lost focus on Jesus and fear came (Mr flesh)
the result ? he began to sink (condemnation)

Jesus immediately stretched forth his hands and caught peter. This is a great encouragement knowing that nothing can take us from his hands.

the Christian life is like riding a bicycle, when you stop walking in the spirit then you start falling!
how do one stop walking in the Spirit? answer
1.when you stop focusing on Jesus and instead focus on correcting your imperfections by yourself instead of God doing it for you, you are gone.

John 15:5
I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

2. when you start believing the lie that without correcting your past action or yourself God cannot forgive you. pure lie
God forgive you freely in Christ.

Ephesians 4:32
And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

1 John 2:12
I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name's sake.

some people do preach that without doing restitution God cannot forgive sins, that is not correct.
if one confesses his/her sins he will forgive him without ever remembering it.

3. when you are unaware of your spiritual position in Christ you will live like a sinner. Remember the prodigal Son, he lived like a slaved not that he stopped being a Son of his father but he forgot whom he was because of his rebellion ( he thought he could be independent from his father) and but when he remembered who he was he then knew his foolishness and decided to go back home ( true repentance).

when you are unaware of your spiritual nature, the enemy will deal with you.

as you grow in grace, the nature of Christ in you will be stronger and the knowledge of your spiritual position also increase.

Ephesians 2:21
In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:

Ephesians 4:15
But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:

1 Peter 2:2
As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:

2 Peter 3:18
But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.


1 John 2:13
I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one. I write unto you, little children, because ye have known the Father.

finally, to walk in the Spirit means to walk in the reality of the new life you have in christ, you also grow in this knowledge by knowing more about God and his plan for you.

1 John 2:14
I have written unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the wicked one.

I pray for any believer who is facing challenges in his life that he receive freedom and begin to enjoy his Christian walk in Jesus name.

"What is it then?
I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also:
I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also"
- 1 Corinthians 14:15

"Pray in the Spirit at all times, with every kind of prayer and petition.
To this end, stay alert with all perseverance in your prayers for all the saints."
- Ephesians 6:18

solite3, just like those before me I congratulate you about the thread's original post.

The theme was about "What does it mean Walk in the Spirit". Right?
Whilst on subject of the Spirit, I want you to consider, in addition to the original post, what "Pray with/pray in the Spirit" means

What, solite3, does "Pray with &/or pray in the Spirit" mean?

Take, like what, some have taken "pray with &/or pray in the Spirit" to be and/or means.
Is "pray with &/or pray in the Spirit" an expression, that means, talk and/or pray in tongue(s)?

LordReed:
LoL ah ok everybody minus me, Halleluyah!

Make of it what you like.
Make of it whatever makes you happy.
Make of it whatever floats your boat.
Make of it whatever doesn't give you sleepless nights.

LordReed:
Can you quote the place I blamed God or Satan?

If you don't know who everyone is, sorry I can't help you with your strawman.

LordReed:
Where is the blame? LoL

You tell me, as everyone seemed to have blamed the other than themselves, even God wasn't exempted, as He too fingered for blame.

LordReed:
LoL! As I said ojuju calabar is for frightening little children.

Ojuju Calabar has nothing on it.
It doesn't come close.

LordReed:
It may seem so. LoLz

Conceited as well.

LordReed:
LoL, the person who thinks a psychopath killing children requires 7,000years to deal with is more rational.
That is one for the ages.

Your words, not mine.
It wasn't today, the blaming game started.
No one wants to accept responsibility. SMH.
It is either Satan's fault or the other persons'. Kikikiki ki.

LordReed:
I have no other credential to present, sue me if it doesn't suit you. LMAO!

Then it shows you arent suitable, you don't qualify to poke your nose in God's business, especially in things you haven't the foggiest about.

I don't need to sue you.
Just make sure you have a good brief for when you do appear before the Judge.

LordReed:
It would have made more sense for him to be doing that instead of disturbing Job.

You would know, as you are cleverer than God and Satan rolled into one

LordReed:
What then did you ask about?

I asked you what I originally asked you
and that was asking what your credentials are

I did not ask you about what you fancy yourself to be or what you fancy yourself seen as

What is/are your qualification(s) and achievement(s) that makes you think you know better than God how to handle and take care of Satan.

What is special, what is it about you that makes you turn your nose up at God and says His ways are unsuitable?

I am as much rational thinking as you are, if I am not more rational thinking than you are.

LordReed:
That only you and God know right?

What took you so long to use this line?
I anticipated you using it sooner or later

LordReed:
What do I care what he does there?
The bible clearly states he went to heaven and was in God's presence along with other angels.
If you interpret it as something else, that's on you.

At least he wasn't in heaven trying to again to persuade more angels, like you would prefer him to

budaatum:
Definitely wasn't buda.

I hear you boss

LordReed:
LoL, and you are God who knows this supposedly good reason?

You should pleased I am not God.
Thank God, I am not.

About you getting the hump over me knowing the good reason, it's a matter of, if you know, you know.

LordReed:
Simple, I am a rational thinking being

ROTFL. "I am a rational thinking being", he says. Bwahahaha ha
That wasn't what I asked about. SMH.

LordReed:
Patience after 70 centuries (by biblical reckoning) of millions (billions?) of people dying and supposedly going to hell due to the antics of an adversary God supposedly has an infinite advantage over? LoL! Unbelievable. SMH

Again there is a method in the madness

LordReed:
If the bible has to be interpreted so that it fits your narrative, yeah sure. LoL

I will eat a shoe, if you are able to present where Satan has directly pulled stunts in God's presence without getting clearance first

LordReed:
LoL, ojuju calabar is for little kids.

That was metaphorically speaking though.
You'll wince and squeal when those twins and spongy sphericals are squeezed

budaatum:
The jacket is wrong. The two nylon bags is wrong.
The "McDonald's approaching Lidl" is the wrong way round, and would be Aldi if it wasn't!
And you missed out the most identifying bit!

Must have been your doppelganger.
How I wish, I shouted Buda!, like every fibre of my body was egging me on to.

budaatum:
No you never!
I haven't worn my "brown tweed chequered jacket" in ages.
Must have been the fourth me that you saw.

What would it take to make you believe I saw you.
You slung a black leather bag, possibly a laptop bag on your right shoulder and carried two nylon bags with your left hand.
One of the bags, looked like a Sainsbury bag, as it was orange in colour, the other was a blue bag.
You went by McDonald's approaching Lidl

LordReed:
You may see millions (may be billions?) of people dying over several centuries and supposedly going to hell as a method in madness but I don't.

Have ever considered why you don't?
I'll tell you for free, why.
It is because you aren't God.
Strange as it might look to you, mortal man that you are, there is a good reason for the method.

LordReed:
I would think the solution is fairly obvious but for someone who thinks it is an acceptable state of affairs maybe it isn't.

When a psycho is prowling around your children and you have the means to immediately dispose of him, I don't think you will stop to allow him touch a hair on their head before you neutralise him.
So yeah given God's supposed omnipotence, Satan should not be bothering God's creation in any way, shape or form

Remind please.
What's your credentials?

My dear friend, I am grateful for you mentioning God's omnipotence but you omitted His omniscience.

Patience, patience, at the appropriate time Satan will be "neutralised"

LordReed:
LoL, this was expected

It is true, isn't it?

LordReed:
Yup.

You've got chutzpah.
I hope its made of steel
because if not, then at the rate and way you're going, very soon or later, you will end up wincing and squealing ooo

LordReed:
If someone is bent on spoiling your work do you leave him free to carry out his nefarious plans?

Yes I will, especially when I know I've got everything covered and under control.
There is method in the madness.

Now, I will re-ask you this question again and in a slightly different way:
If you think you know better than God, what lofty idea, do you know, to put forward for consideration,
in terms of, what is needed done about Satan or what should have been done about him?

LordReed:
Whichever one, he was there

Well, I restate that Satan will not, will never a pull stunt(s) like that in God's presence and in His full glare.

LordReed:
Of having a psychopath prey on us?

With a question of this nature and wording, it appears you're saying God has poor judgment and bad taste

LordReed:
OK so he's just being a dog in the manger.
He just wants to spoil God's work.

Hole in one. Kikikiki ki

LordReed:
Nope I don't have to make any attempt, you either explain your analogy or you don't,
ball's in your court.

It's your prerogative but the truth is, its your loss, not mine, when and/or if I dont.
I know what I bring to the table, so trust me when and/or if I say, I am not afraid to eat this one alone.
The ball's not in my court, you've actually with your refusal, kicked the ball out of play

LordReed:
What do you mean?

You seemed to have taken an exception to Satan being free.
So I asked:
What do you know, to put forward for consideration, in terms of, what is needed done about Satan or what should have been done about him?

LordReed:
"One day the angels came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them."

I do recall, asking which of the heavens.
Do you seriously believe Satan will pull stunts in the full glare of God's presence?

LordReed:
So what did you mean by "Humans are lying in their beds as they laid it"?

Suffering the consequence(s)

LordReed:
Ahh, Ok so Satan just wants company?
A third of the angels wasn't company enough?

Satan cares less about human company.
The third of the angels' company is enough and so, suits him fine

It has nothing to do with company
Like I earlier remarked, when you realise that, actually this is Satan being vindictive, it begins to make some semblance of sense.

LordReed:
I think you should just explain what you mean.

To tell you the truth, you really need to make an attempt first, on the request.
I will be building on your response to explain what I mean.

The explanation will clarify your first thought, that going to heaven or hell, is an instantaneous thing after death
and your second thought, that there is a trial after one dies

LordReed:
It's a continuation of the thought, if Satan is a psychopath why is he free?
By what measure is a psychopath being free to kill an acceptable state of affairs?

What, to do about Satan and him being free, do you know, to put forward for consideration?

LordReed:
Yet he can go to heaven at will.

He wish.
Which of the heavens?
You must be talking about another Satan or somebody else.

LordReed:
What I think won't serve your purpose
but here it is, I don't believe there is any "fault".

I dont have any purpose that needs serving

Run over the first page,
you'll find, it was you who introduced the word "fault", with the remark "He was told prey on us and its our fault?" and not me

I think you'll change your mind about not believing there is any fault when reminded of the finger-pointing in other directions that took place

LordReed:
Why is Satan bothering people, causing them to go to hell...

"The LORD said to Satan, “From where have you come?”
Satan answered the LORD and said,
“From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking up and down on it.”"
- Job 1:7

"Keep your mind clear, and be alert.
Your opponent the devil is prowling around like a roaring lion as he looks for someone to devour."
- 1 Peter 5:8

Satan is bothering people because that is what Satan has become, a bother.
If Satan is going down, he isnt going down alone and that's why he is causing people, along with him, to end up in "hell"

Satan has an insatiable hunger
LordReed, do you know, during the last supper, what the thing(s) was, Jesus shared with Peter that Satan strongly wished for?

LordReed:
when in hell they can't participate in his fight against God.
It makes no sense

Satan knows his goose is cooked and having people in "hell" is exactly where he wants people to be or end up at.

If you have Satan's hotline number, why dont you call him, to say his scheme and/or tactics makes no sense.
You really think Satan is fighting, is fighting against God?

When you realise that, actually this is Satan being vindictive, it makes some semblance of sense

LordReed:
Wait, I thought who goes to heaven or hell is an instantaneous thing after death.
You mean there is a trial after you die?

You just, with these two remarks, made me chuckle to myself.

Hell, is a concept from Greek mythodology.

Run through me the sequence of actions and regular procedures, for you travelling from Lagos to London.
If Lagos to London wont do, then I'll accept from Abuja to Lagos.

I'll come to respond properly to those two remarks after you've given the airport's sequence of actions and regular procedures of you travelling

LordReed:
LoL so it is a good thing to let a psychopath to run free killing people because the psychopath will also kill your son and it was foretold? Noted.

So you want to dabble into and talk about killings now, do you?
OK, how, why, where and/or when, LordReed, did death enter the world?

Hang on, we werent talking and never was talking about, whether it was a good thing or not.
You asked, to what end is Satan bent on tempting people, doing his worse and all, so I replied that its because he is a psychopath.
This is how we got the psychopath mentioing, so please stop your strawmanning bouts
and check your attempts to change the focus at whim

LordReed:
By what information are you stating that they are unpersuadable?
He tempted Jesus thrice that was recorded, why can he not try again?

He's barred. Remember he got thrown & kicked out

LordReed:
It's our fault that a psychopath is preying on us? Like seriously?

C'mon now, spill your gut out
Say it like you want

I reiterate, if it's not our fault, whose fault should it and/or would it be, then?
On whose doorstep do you want place the fault?
Whisper it here