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Christianity Etc › Re: Doctors And Atheist, Your Opinions Are Needed. by MuttleyLaff: 8:47am On Jul 01, 2017*

Martinez19:
This especially goes to catfishbilly but other atheist can join in

Appetite? No
Libido? No
Do you find your self sleeping a lot? No
Do you have diminished interest in things you used to see as fun? No

I see our amiable and capable in-house Doc friend of mine checks
and him giving you a clean bill of health
Doc has ruled you out for clinical depression
as he couldnt find loss in appetite fun and libido nor indulging in excessive sleeping
and so safely and correctly attributed your new felt feeling down to change
Read more below about how change contributed to this your sudden felt feeling

Martinez19:
I recently started having this feeling that nothing is of importance, all this so called making it in life is not important.

Vanity of vanities; all is vanity.
Our lives last 70 years or, if we are strong, 80 years.
It passes quickly and we gone.
We brought nothing material into the world
and neither can we carry anything material out of it.

Getting the right priorities is good and does matter

Life is not about the quantities amassed
but is about the qualities of masses' lives impacted

Martinez19:
If someone does something that is supposed to make me sad, I don't feel sad. I am just like it's not important

The learning of a man is known by patience
as the wisdom (i.e. making & taking +ve decisions) of such man makes him slow to anger
His virtue is to ignore an offence
and it is to his credit that he overlooks offenses

There is a huge amount of freedom when you don't take things personally.
Life just gets so much better when you stop taking things personally.

Change your priorities and you change your life
It's after we change and grow, that we see a world(s) we never knew
Life is 10% what happens to you
and 90% how you respond to it
It's that simple. Enjoy the freedom, enjoy life.

Martinez19:
Things that I find disgraceful don't seem disgraceful. I just feel like nothing is important or worth it and what's the point. I know that this is not right and is out of reality

The most important thing in life is always to do the right thing(s)

Martinez19:
and I want to ask if it has happened to anyone before and you guys could help me out. All of a sudden, in my mind, nothing seems important or of value or worth it. I am numb to offense, disgrace and shame as some would have it.

Yes, you've cultivated a paradigm shift and yielded to growth

Martinez19:
Why is this? cry

This is nothing to cry over or about
This isnt a new question, as so many people before you have posed this question too

Change of perpective and growth, is why it is

When you start looking at things differently,
and begin to realise that not everything's so important.
then the inevitable change is stirred up and growth is jump-started

Change is constant
There is nothing permanent except change
Everyone gets the shot to change,
It is a chance for us, to become better people.
Or become, dare I say, worse people

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Christianity Etc › Re: Did Jesus Ever Speak In Tongues?? by MuttleyLaff: 4:01pm On Jun 30, 2017*

Sarassin:
Pontius Pilate was a murderous procurator, his day had not begun unless he had hung a Jew, Pilate had Jews crucified in their hundreds. Do you suppose they all spoke Greek?

Possibly might have, Greek being one of the commercial languages
but hey this your throwing in of other hundred balls
why are you unable to stick with the one ball in play,
Trying to distract with multiple balls thrown on to the field, are you?

Sarassin:
Jesus was as good as dead once the arrest warrant had been signed by Pilate.
The idea that Jesus stood before Pilate and both men then engaged in a Q&A session is fanciful at best.
In all probability, as the gospels hint, Jesus said nothing

Of course, why should He
especially when He needs to get all over and done with

Sarassin:
Chill out. Just having a bit of fun

Hope you've had your fun then

Sarassin:
I am happy to admit that there is much to admire about Christianity

This is mutual (e.g. Luke 16:8-9)

Sarassin:
But "seething envy" I am afraid not!

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You're closet Christian, my friend

Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Of Nazareth - An Historical View by MuttleyLaff: 3:36pm On Jun 30, 2017*

adepeter26:
Some Christians will take you to be devil sir @bold.

I love your posts. Following

Most Christians know he aint the devil
because the devil doesnt post on NL

Sarassin:
Thanks, you're probably right!

Some Christians understand that, probably there's an angel on one shoulder
and a devil on the other
Also, probably hearing impairment, deafness or hearing loss in one ear too

Christianity Etc › Re: On What Basis Is A Woman Made A Pastor In Some Churches? by MuttleyLaff: 7:12am On Jun 30, 2017*

JMAN05:
A pastor is a Shepherd, and women are not reckoned as such in the bible

Jacob was still talking with them when Rachel arrived with her father's flock, for she was a shepherd
- Genesis 29:9

Tell me, you whom I love, where you graze your flock and where you rest your sheep at midday.
Why should I be like a veiled woman beside the flocks of your friends?
- Song of Solomon 1:7

Rachel in Genesis 29:9 and the young Shulammite bride in Song of Solomon 1:7 are just two examples of women out of others known as or to be shepherd(ess) in the bible

JMAN05:
so why do some churches have female pastors

When with due care & attention you read 1 Tim 2:11-12 in conjunction with 1 Tim 2:13-15 you'll see and find that this is a needless worry and sounding an unfounded alarm about female pastors

JMAN05:
Does it mean that they don't read the bible?

and what's in there to read in the bible bro?

JMAN05:
1 Tim 2:11-12

So?

Again, with due care & attention, read 1 Tim 2:11-12 in conjunction with 1 Tim 2:13-15 you'll get the proper gist

If you know what is right from what is wrong
but I someone tells you to do a wrong thing
and you succumb to doing it though you know it is wrong
then you've allowed that someone to TEACH OVER you notwithstanding that you already knew it is going to be a wrong thing to do

You in essence allowed that someone to TEACH OVER or EXERCISE AUTHORITY OVER you and influence you to do a wrong thing

The key words in 1 Tim 2:11-12, are ''not TEACH OVER'' as opposed to ''not TEACH''
(i.e. talked about ''TEACH OVER'' and not ''TEACH'')

Adam didnt have any trouble telling his left from his right
His problem was timing. Wrong timing and wrong cue
He took a wrong cue from the ''woman''

As if like a de javu, the same ''woman'' comes back on the scene, reappeared in John 2:3-5, timing still not perfect, yet still giving Jesus a right cue
and further teaching the servants what to do

David, in 1 Samuel 25 learned so much from another woman
She was so good, that at the earliest chance, he didnt hesistate to seize the opportunity of marriage to make her his wife

Instead of a woman teaching over a man in matters he knows is wrong
or assuming authority over a man in things that are wrong, she is expected to be quiet
Quietness there implies have the inner tranquility that supports whatever is the right correct and appropriate good action at hand

Be quiet on crap, dont do crap, dont teach crap

Talking over someone is considered rude enough, talkless teach over someone

Women ought to ''TEACH'' right and not to ''TEACH OVER'' right

Read 1 Corinthians 16:19
Now compare 1 Corinthians 16:19 with Acts 18:26
Do you notice anything fascinating, as regards name order and positioning switch in regards to what happened in Acts 18:26?
I wonder what it is, if that isnt a woman teaching a man

Pastor is meant to be a verb anyway, not a noun
Jesus is the only noun Pastor, everyone else are just verb pastors

JMAN05:
Cc: Lalasticlala

Ew! Eurgh!! Thumbs down!!!
Plugging posts publicly with moderators' name in order to promote it
and trying to get it to front page is a real total turn off

Christianity Etc › Re: Did Jesus Ever Speak In Tongues?? by MuttleyLaff: 7:12am On Jun 30, 2017*

Sarassin:
Of course the charismatic practice of 'speaking in tongues' is glossolalia and not polyglotism

Correct
The charismatic practice of 'speaking in tongues' is sheer delusional make-believe.

Sarassin:
There's no evidence whatsoever that Jesus indulged in such a practice or even spoke Greek

There's no evidence whatsoever that Pontius Pilate used an interpreter to dialogue with Jesus either

Sarassin:
But Christians are never one to let a few facts get in the way of a good chinwag!

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Not that I am holding brief for Christians
but you need to check and chill your seething envy of Christians.
Play and kick the ~~OP/topic~~ ball around
instead of opting for ~~shading Christians~~ the foot and stamping it

Christianity Etc › Re: Did Jesus Ever Speak In Tongues?? by MuttleyLaff: 7:11am On Jun 30, 2017

JMAN05:
Am fine. How are you?

Pleased to hear that

JMAN05:
I do admire your research on biblical matters

I think, you and I, have a mutual respect and admiration for each other's application of 2 Timothy 2:15 & Acts 17:11 on and to biblical matters

JMAN05:
Maybe one of these days we shall dig into a biblical topic of common interest. Love to learn more

Never stop learning.
I always desire to learn something useful, so sure, why not

As it happens knowledge comes from learning
and I've learned that I still have loads to learn
Now you know why, I am glutton for knowledge

Christianity Etc › Re: Spirit Lives by MuttleyLaff: 1:04pm On Jun 26, 2017*

ashjay001:
Tanx, again.

How do I access my higher self, Atman?

Tried joining an esoteric org, but seems d nigerian factor, behoves them!?

Paid all dues, yet, no paraphernalia.

swegiedon:
is meditation the only way?

Meditating is one of the ways
Meditation day and night makes you be like a tree planted by the rivers of water
a tree which yields its fruit at the proper time, and its leaves never fall off.
Doing the right thing brings good success and prosperity, especially prosperity in the soul

swegiedon:
you are implying we should be uncertain to make this life journey more enjoyable?.
if it is then.uncertainty with a lot of possibility.

Life is one of the greatest gift we have
Life offers us the privilege, opportunity and responsibility to serve and/or give something back to becoming more

When you set out to do good works,
certainly your steps in life will be ordered and your way be established

W - words
A - actions
T - thoughts
C - character
H - habits

Watch each and all of the above experiences because they altogether ultimately funnel through to determining your destiny (destination)

People no longer put up with sound and wholesome truth anymore.
Having itching ears and wanting to have their ears tickled, they follow their own desires
and look for someone who will tell them whatever their itching ears want to hear.
All because they have an insatiable curiosity to hear ''new'' things.

Beware of those who feed your ego and those you allow to feed your soul

These same who are candy to your eyes,
can be poison to your heart
and handing out a poisoned chalice to your Atman
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Christianity Etc › Re: Spirit Lives by MuttleyLaff: 7:26am On Jun 26, 2017

ashjay001:
I'm grateful for ur reply, just that i'm sceptical abt d bible's view on situations

I appreciate and respect your disclosing humble, sincere and honest admission

Not everyone has access to the bible and/or not all will ever come across the bible
so ignore the bible verse and any other bible reference then
because doing so will not damage, diminish or subtract the real points in the post
about watching your words, actions, thoughts, character and habits as each leads to becoming your destiny

ashjay001:
U can always get a portion of d bible to support whatever situation u find urself.

Though you equally also can get a portion of Shakespeare to support whatever situation you find yourself, in spite of that the bible is still a more and very resourceful thing.

Christianity Etc › Re: Even The Bible Denied Christianity As The True Religion by MuttleyLaff: 4:56am On Jun 26, 2017

chemystery:
Ask anyone to mention a rastafarian they start and end with few reggae musician.

Rastas are all over the world
Mentioning Bob Marley, is because he'll be easily recognised and acknowledged by most of the readership, if not all

chemystery:
That data you see there is from wikipedia and we can both deduce from it that ratafarianism is the fewest.

Your post falls flat on its face because the bible verses you referenced didnt suggest the ''fewest'' NOR imply a ''fewest''

Furthermore, the thread's title is erroneous because the bible hasnt termed Christianity to be a religion
The bible is very clear in what it defines and how it describes true and genuine religion to be

chemystery:
What other few are you seeing there that no one else is seeing?

The ones that didnt make the list, are the other few, others are seeing there, that no one else is seeing

chemystery:
And who told you rastafarians dont care for orphans and widows in their distress?

Ba-da-da-da
You're recognising and learning fast, that the milk of human kindness can transcend all divides

chemystery:
Such act don't even need religion to execute but empathy

The social responsibility and moral obligation of caring for orphans and widows in their distress is religion
Empathy precedes this true and genuine religion
Empathy births this true and genuine religion

Christianity Etc › Re: Spirit Lives by MuttleyLaff: 4:56am On Jun 26, 2017*

ashjay001:
How do u become aware of ur destiny?

For we are God's masterpiece.
He has created us anew in Christ Jesus,
so we can do the good things he planned for us long ago
- Ephesians 2:10

A person often meets his destiny on the road he took or was put on, to avoid it
(e.g. Joseph, Moses, Jesus etcetera)

Ephesians 2:10 above implies you're destined or your destiny is to, do good works

Elsewhere, the bible states that:
Many, however, that live as enemies of the cross of Christ, their destiny is destruction

You are the captain of your soul, intertwined with the flesh and spirit
hence expectedly the master of your destiny

Every human has been given the right to decide his/her own destiny
So you're the designer of your destiny.
You're the author. You write the story.
The pen is in your hand and the outcome is whatever you choose

So watch your thoughts, for they become words.
Watch your words, for they become actions.
Watch your actions, for they become habits.
Watch your habits, for they become your character.
And watch your character, for it becomes your destiny.

swegiedon:
why is it better not to know ones destiny?

Nothing secretive over knowing anyones destiny
Its not as if it's the ''Show me Your glory... You cannot see My face; for no man shall see Me, and live... '' stuff and classic
Just be mindful that your character becomes your destiny

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Christianity Etc › Re: Even The Bible Denied Christianity As The True Religion by MuttleyLaff: 10:03am On Jun 24, 2017

chemystery:
If all that didnt qualify rastafari as true religion, then christianity is far from being a true religion. For every one rastafarian you mention, i can mention hundreds of thousands christians.
The only rastafarian you can mention is even late and lived far in south america.

I mentioned a famous one you easily can recognise and acknowledge

chemystery:
Is this not evident that these ones are the few your bibke mentioned

You are living with Alice in Wonderland, if you believe that rastafarians are the few referred to in the bible

chemystery:
Even if they themselves have no claims of being the few, your bible have claimed it for them. If you claim rastafarians are not the few

There other fews that didnt make the list you gleefully wand about

chemystery:
then tell me a god and religion with the fewest followers

Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this:
to look after orphans and widows in their distress
and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world
- James 1:27

Pure and genuine religion in the sight of God the Father means
caring for orphans and widows in their distress
and refusing to let the world corrupt you.
- James 1:27

The bible, in James 1:27, as seen above, identifies clearly and definitely what religion is

chemystery:
Did they deny being christians?

I keep telling you, christian, is a misnomer

chemystery:
or is any christian today denying being christian?

Is there any nigger today denying being a nigger?

chemystery:
Are rastas not few enough?

Rastas are not the only few, there is.
Rastas being the fewest in your proffered list still dont qualify to be included among the few entering the small gate

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Christianity Etc › Re: Even The Bible Denied Christianity As The True Religion by MuttleyLaff: 9:41am On Jun 24, 2017

chemystery:
And only the few (rastafari) does the will of the father. Not so?
Christians are the majority not doing the will

Because someone decides to call you a nigger, doesnt mean you too answer to being called a nigger
You are using a misnomer, the disciples, apostles never themselves called each other christians

The bible said a few enter...
If it had said the fewest enter, although very very unlike, then maybe rastas would stand a chance

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Christianity Etc › Re: Even The Bible Denied Christianity As The True Religion by MuttleyLaff: 9:15am On Jun 24, 2017

IKC10:
Just say that you didn't understand what God was saying there. The majority of people aren't born again, and do not want to follow the way of righteousness. They want to make it quick and now without following God's laws. But few want God's way. That's what the Bible means, ok?

Gbam!

chemystery:
And who are the majority? Christians. It means Christians are not following the way of god.
Christ says he is the way. Christianity means christ-like, meaning christians(followers of christ), being the majority, are following the wrong way. The bible didnt mention righteous or unrighteous. It says many and few which can both comprise of both the good and bad, but what matters most is if they are the broad way(Jesus way) or the narrow way (rastafarianism).

You will say christianity is the right way to god, but here the bible dismissed that

Some people will call you a nigger
(i.e. this to some degrees is similar to what happened in Acts 11:26)

Some people will shame and treat you like a nigger
(i.e. this to some degrees is similar to what happened in 1 Peter 4:16)

Some people giving the chance, wouldnt ever want to become a nigger
(i.e. this to some degrees is similar to what happened in Acts 26:28)

Being called a christian doesnt fly, just as you arent defined by what others call you
(e.g. I suppose, calling you a nigger, wouldnt fly with you)
Being treated like a christian doesnt fly, just as you arent to be treated because of ill-conceived ideas and bad definition of you.
(e.g. I dont think, shaming you or treating you like a nigger, would fly with you)

The word, Christian, occurs only 3 times in the bible, and each appearance was in the context of contemptuous ridicule
(i.e. Acts 11:26 and Acts 26:28)
or around being shamed and subjected to mockery (i.e. 1 Peter 4:16)

²¹“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
²²Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’
²³Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
- Matthew 7:21-23

The lake of fire will first freeze up before you'll ever come across the word ''christianity'' in the bible

The ''MANY'' referred to in bible verse, Matthew 7:22 above, inarguably is what christianity is all about (i.e. false religion)
James 1:27 is the only true religion God recognises and approves of

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Christianity Etc › Re: Even The Bible Denied Christianity As The True Religion by MuttleyLaff: 9:09am On Jun 24, 2017*

chemystery:
What is fallacy here? Is it that christianity isn't the religion with most adherent or rastafarianism isn't the least?

The fallacy is that neither christianity and rastafarianism are true religion
James 1:27 specifies what genunine and faultless religion is

chemystery:
Isn't the way to christianity broad that you can find a church or place of worship in every nook and crannies of every street in any part of the world?

Isn't the way to christianity so broad that you can't walk out of your street or even put on your TV in the comfort of your home without hearing people preaching or trying to invite you to their church?

Isn't the way to christianity so broad that every Tom, Dick and Harry is erecting even canopies as church with loudspeak positioned in 4 cardinal points to make sure every Tom, Dick and Harry listens and join the broad way to destruction?

Still doesnt qualify rastafarianism to be a true religion

chemystery:
Now tell me, is it that easy to join rastafari?

Yes, roll a joint

chemystery:
Have you seen or heard of their place of worship anywhere in Africa?

Yes, Ethopia

chemystery:
How many of their members have you seen all your life both in real life and on TV?

If giving famous names, then Bob Marley

chemystery:
The road to christianity is too broad and many are just flocking in. People convert to christianity than any other religion in the world

Though many enter this broad,
rastafarianism have no claims to have entered through the small gate and the travelling on the narrow way
Few find the small gate, and those few that find the small gate arent from rastafarianism

chemystery:
This is evident from that portion of the bible that rastafarianism and not christianity is likely to be the true religion

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Christianity Etc › Re: Even The Bible Denied Christianity As The True Religion by MuttleyLaff: 8:46pm On Jun 23, 2017*

chemystery:
According to Matthew 7:13-14

13 “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.
14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

From the data below which enlisted all religion and estimated number of adherents, it is evident Christianity is the MANY the bible is talking about while Rastafarianism is the FEW

Negative knowledge at work

luckyz4rea:
Fallacy at it's peak! Quotation out of context!

You saw that too

adepeter26:
How did he quote out of context?

He is comparing apples and oranges

adepeter26:
The Bible clearly said so

Christianity Etc › Re: Did Jesus Ever Speak In Tongues?? by MuttleyLaff: 3:52pm On Jun 19, 2017

JMAN05:
He didn't speak in other languages not popular in his day.
He no doubt spoke Aramaic, Hebrew, etc.

'Talitha cumi!'' is Aramaic
Jesus had Greek audiences/visitors, so possibly off the record, spoke the Greek
Also his conversation with Pilate was possibly in Greek
The scroll he read from in the temple is written in Hebrew, so possibly spoke Hebrew
Though the inscription on the cross, was written in 3 languages (i.e. Hebrew, Latin and Greek)
Latin isnt considered to be part of his language repertoire

JMAN05:
But not more tongues as was evident after Pentecost.

⁵And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
⁶Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together,
and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.
⁷And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
⁸And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
⁹Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,
¹⁰Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene,
and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,(i.e. both Jews and converts to Judaism)
¹¹Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.
¹²And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this?
- Acts 2:5-12

Hi to you my dear brother JMAN05

Christianity Etc › Re: Did Jesus Ever Speak In Tongues?? by MuttleyLaff: 3:39pm On Jun 19, 2017

marlerya:
I like this
mhm we need to understand things clearly, before following dogmatically,
even the bible ask to seek wisdom, knowledge and understanding

True that and Proverbs 4:7 springs to mind

marlerya:
Speaking in tongues is actually good

All the 3 recorded times, speaking in other tongues occurred in the bible,
it was noted that it happened each time, for the benefit of unbelieving Jews

marlerya:
but it's not for everybody. Or else it becomes a child's play thing

The primary purpose for speaking in tongues, was/is not for use as a talisman,
neither to used as quicker or easier mystical shortcuts to prayers or worship

marlerya:
A lot of preachers make it sound as if it is the only proof that you are in the spirit.

⁷But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit with.
⁸For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom;
to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
⁹To another faith by the same Spirit;
to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
¹⁰To another the working of miracles;
to another prophecy;
to another discerning of spirits;
to another divers kinds of tongues;
to another the interpretation of tongues
¹¹It is the one and only Spirit who distributes all these gifts.
He alone decides which gift each person should have
- 1 Corinthians 12:7-11

Lots of preachers make it sound like they havent read 1 Corinthians 12:7-10 to know about the other 8 manisfestation of the Spirit
They also act like they dont care about 1 Corinthians 12:11 showing who and where the buck stops with
(i.e. 1 Corinthians 12:11 shows, who is responsible, and who decides who gets what)

marlerya:
That's a No No No, I call it dogma.

I say, in the age of information, ignorance is a choice

Christianity Etc › Re: Did Jesus Ever Speak In Tongues?? by MuttleyLaff: 8:54am On Jun 19, 2017

calberian:
Where in the bible did Jesus speak in tongues?

Whenever and wherever you read in the bible Jesus teaching or preaching, is where in the bible He spoke in tongues
An example is Mark 5:41's ''Talitha cumi!'' or ''Talitha kum!''

Out of curiosity, how many tongues do you speak in?

Christianity Etc › Re: Did Jesus Ever Speak In Tongues?? by MuttleyLaff: 12:39am On Jun 19, 2017*

Paradigmpastor:
Jesus did spoke in tongue.. Go read ur bible

Personally and IMHO, John 11:33 and Rom 8:26 arent verses that support Jesus spoke in tongues

Paradigmpastor:
John 11:33

John 11:33 is a combination of groaning and display of empathy
and not a proof that Jesus spoke in tongues

Paradigmpastor:
and Rom 8:26 prove that Jesus actually spoke in tongue

Rom 8:26, is not speaking in tongue
It is, to some degree similar to John 11:33 above, (e.g. moaning or groaning expression coming from within induced the spiriit)
and so equally like John 11:33, Rom 8:26 too, doesnt qualify to serve as proof, that Jesus actually spoke in tongue

Moaning or any other sounds made during or in the heat of passion
and groaning done to convey pain, despair, pleasure etcetera
or any other sounds made when cornered and backed against a concrete wall isnt speaking in tongues

The three recorded evidences of speaking in tongues in the bible, occurred for a purpose and/or to serve that purpose

Each instance of the three recorded speaking in tongues happened with articulated utterances
that were coherent enough to other present audiences admitting and understanding the spoken tongues
(e.g. refer to Acts 2:8, Acts 10:46 and Acts 19:6)

For Jews demand miraculous signs (i.e. ask for signs)
and Greeks ask for wisdom (i.e. philiosophy)
- 1 Corinthians 1:22

So you see that speaking in tongues is a sign, not for believers, but for unbelievers.
Prophecy, however, is for the benefit of believers, not unbelievers.
- 1 Corinthians 14:22

For any that might have been misinformed, it is a well documented truth as seen in 1 Corinthians 14:22 above
that speaking in tongues is not for believers, rather it is used as a sign for unbelievers (i.e. 1 Corinthians 1:22a)

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Christianity Etc › Re: Did Jesus Ever Speak In Tongues?? by MuttleyLaff: 12:36am On Jun 19, 2017

calberian:
Speaking in tongues is a manifestation of the holy spirit.

Speaking in tongues is one of the manifestations of the holy spirit

calberian:
The holy spirit manifested AFTER the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

How can you say:
''The holy spirit manifested AFTER the resurrection of Jesus Christ''

Read 1 Corinthians 12:7-10, to see how each person has been given the ability to manifest in different ways, the Holy Spirit

Jesus had manifested all the mentions in 1 Corinthians 12:7-10 (i.e. speaking in tongues inclusive) BEFORE and not AFTER His resurrection

calberian:
Jesus couldn't not have spoken in tongues.

Jesus did speak in tongues
but didnt have to speak in more than the necessary tongue(s) needed for His listening audience

Christianity Etc › Re: Did Jesus Ever Speak In Tongues?? by MuttleyLaff: 10:40pm On Jun 18, 2017*

Wryly:
Did Jesus Ever Speak in Tongues??

Yes

Wryly:
Comments please

Jesus altogether spoke possibly in at least three tongues

Christianity Etc › Re: The Meaninglessness Of "I Have A Deep Personal Relationship With Jesus Christ" by MuttleyLaff: 1:28am On Jun 12, 2017

Ngo40:
Otem,
Brother I'm gonna be honest with you.
I'm not gonna read through your "doctufos of truth".....
I'm sorry....but I don't want another headache this evening ok?
Sorry about that...

This is wisdom talking and making a good decision
1 Corinthians 10:23 echoed in the background

Christianity Etc › Re: The Meaninglessness Of "I Have A Deep Personal Relationship With Jesus Christ" by MuttleyLaff: 1:17am On Jun 12, 2017

Ngo40:
MuttleyLaff,
Brother, I'm not angry....and again I say, this isn't a war between me and you.
I'll cease & desist....

Thank you, much appreciated. God bless you

Christianity Etc › Re: The Meaninglessness Of "I Have A Deep Personal Relationship With Jesus Christ" by MuttleyLaff: 12:58am On Jun 12, 2017*

Ngo40:
Yes I edited the post cause some things needed to be addressed.
Why are you so angry now?

Saying the obvious which you've equally admitted to isnt anger

Ngo40:
Do you see now how this has now turned into a Christian vs. Christian debate instead of dealing with the "free-thinkers"?
It's like you've gotten all riled up again....
Why?

You see how you easily give ammunition to the hopefulLandlords of NL
Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaketh
You sure was angry over my first post's content and now getting really riled up to be giving me successive responses

Instead of saying, its turned into a Christian vs. Christian debate, why couldnt you have said, it's turned into a nigger vs. nigger debate?
Dont worry, if not yet, you'll catch the drift later

Ngo40:
Life is too short....

Glad to hear, you too, know that, life is too short

Ngo40:
You should've addressed the original question of "this" thread....

This thread was DOA BID
and besides, if not due to the circumstance,
and this being an exception, I rarely and hardly comment on hopefulLandlord's

Ngo40:
We're not in a battle against each other...brother.

If you know that,
then dont take it personal whenever you read me calling a spade a spade

Christianity Etc › Re: The Meaninglessness Of "I Have A Deep Personal Relationship With Jesus Christ" by MuttleyLaff: 12:33am On Jun 12, 2017*

Ngo40:
Brother,
Yes I've come again...I was asked my opinion on here days ago (by the OP) anyway...so I've been following ever since.
Come on.....now you're just playing games...
You & I BOTH know that you were indirectly referring to me and my 2 "brothers" with the "bigoted" comment. Tell the truth & shame the devil.
You basically reiterated what you said on that months old thread.
I'm offended cause you should not be using the word "bigoted" in this instance. Nobody was being a bigot. Differences of belief don't equate to bigotry all of the time.
So yes...the shoe fits me..and quite nicely.
But you are entitled to your opinion.
Don't worry....my love for you never stopped ...nor will it ever...brother

After my reply, I see you have edited your original post by adding more to it

If you didnt know before now, then let it be known, it's not for me to change yours or anyones beliefs
It'll make me just as wrong, if upon reading misinformation and/or ill-information, I folded my arms, sat tight quietly
and mutely let the perpetrators, go unchallenged, steamroll their bigoted views, as was done on that thread.

If aversed to be likened to a bigot,
then dont jump into or open a thread castigating others who have a contrary view TO your thread's subject matter

Christianity Etc › Re: The Meaninglessness Of "I Have A Deep Personal Relationship With Jesus Christ" by MuttleyLaff: 11:57pm On Jun 11, 2017*

Ngo40:
MuttleyLaff,
Hi....
Be very careful calling folks "bigoted" because they believe differently than you.
I never called you that....so I expect the same in return...
Remember...to display the Christ-like attitude of Christ that you are so fiercely supposed to be defending...
Thanks....

You have come again
The simple fact is, if you think the "bigoted" cap fits, wear it.
Offense is taken, not given
and for you trying to take offense is wanting to give offense
I love you too still nonetheless

Christianity Etc › Re: The Meaninglessness Of "I Have A Deep Personal Relationship With Jesus Christ" by MuttleyLaff: 9:06pm On Jun 11, 2017*

hopefulLandlord:
okay you said you're not here to debate so I'll cut through he chase

looking at the thread h t t p://www.nairaland.com/3615455/does-new-covenant-abolish-ten/10 where ~~Ngo40~~ you, MuttleyLaff, Splinz, Blueagent, Openmine etc had a "little" disagreement that even descended to name calling amongst you guys, I have to wonder what that relationship truly mean? I mean both of you seems to claim the same relationship but can't agree on what this entity you have relationship with wants

hopefulLandlord:
Onyenze123, check out this thread w w w.nairaland.com/3615455/does-new-covenant-abolish-ten/10 and see how our "Christians" who have deep personal relationship with the same dead Jew can't even agree if the the old covenant has been abolished or not, not only did they disagree, they insulted themselves very badly with the aid of the Holy spirit of course

NPComplete:
Guy u no nice at all.
I just read that page of the thread and laughed so hard.
Then I flipped to the next page and saw a post by CatfishBilly about convening another Council of Nicaea. I laughed so hard I almost peed.
What a way to start a morning

hopefulLandlord:
bros, Na comedy gold

imagine the below post

Splinz:
Oga, shove your hypocritical counsel up your arse!
Just like that fool that saw only my uncouth words, who calls himself MuttleyLaff, did you also saw only Splinz "hard words and abuses"?
While that blind bat called MuttleyLaff so much need me to stay relevant, kindly advice him to stop boring me with his ignorance riddled mentions.
It is for this obvious reasons that I've been ignoring his unintelligent and clownish tags.
Poor thing, he has been waiting for so long to have me dignified him with a response, and now I can imagine his joy.
And yes... As for that lunatic called openmine...
Anyway, I've already shown him where he belongs--mental asylum.
PS: I can easily differentiate between a learner and a scoffer who only seeks to shine the teeth.
The pitiable tactic adopted by these two clowns is to throw tantrum when confronted with superior arguments, believing when mockery is employed,
it somehow makes them look right, not knowing it only further portrays their follies. SMH

openmine:

hopefulLandlord:

https://gifyu.com/images/FacePalmLaugh.gif
That thread...
but for the grace of God

Suffice to say, having a relationship with God, doesnt inhibit anyone from calling a spade a spade

When you're on a thread like that sort, with 3-4 bigoted people
and especially 2-3 with the headstrong impulsiveness of youth, like we had on that thread,
it always was going to be only a matter of time,
before, you'll have to employ tough love and resort to giving as good as you get

Truths have thorns about them, and more the reason it needs holding delicately
if not held that way, frustration leads to wanting to give the purveyors of truth like us, a bloody nose

I tell off, and never draw first blood in any discourse
but will spend my last drop of blood defending self from ad hominems used by immatures and any other wayward bigoted group of reactionaries

The insolent behaviors displayed on that thread's aim
was to kill off any attempt to set the record straight for other readers to see the other side of the coin put forward in the original post

If nothing else, at least seed was put to soil on the thread and NPComplete, had the added bonus of near point completely entertained

''you must be very naive if you think posts are 100% meant for the ~~mention~~ quoted,
I ~~submit~~ give posts like this more for readers to see the level of asininity people ~~in mention~~ like you have''
- hopefulLandlord ©

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Christianity Etc › Re: Chop Off Your Hand?! Was Jesus Serious? - Paul Ellis by MuttleyLaff: 9:20am On Jun 05, 2017*

PastorAIO:
Behold!! The effects of irreligion and satanism....

https://gifyu.com/images/steadylaugh.gif

Christianity Etc › Re: Chop Off Your Hand?! Was Jesus Serious? - Paul Ellis by MuttleyLaff: 4:41am On Jun 05, 2017

PastorAIO:
So you can't see how it applies to what you are saying. Should I try to explain? hmmm... okay

Brouhaha: a noisy and overexcited reaction or response to something.
"the brouhaha over those infamous commercials"

w w w.dictionary.com/browse/brouhahaa
Brouhaha: loud confused noise; commotion; uproar.

e n.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brouhaha
A brouhaha, from French brouhaha,
is a state of social agitation when a minor incident gets out of control, sometimes referred to as an uproar or hubbub

Where is the noise, uproar or commotion?
Where and what is ''brouhaha'' in me saying:
''Actually Cyrus did worship Marduk.
Cyrus' admission is found in the ''The Cyrus Cylinder'', a cuneiform tablet now in the British Museum''

PastorAIO:
Claiming Cyrus is a Marduk worshipper and going on at length about it ignorantly can be described as a brouhaha.
Some might see that as hyperbolic but that is just a matter of degree.
Banging on about it in sheer ignorance and being arrogant about it, no matter how slightly is to me a brouhaha

Going on at length? Banging on about it?
Didnt know you're a snowflake

PastorAIO:
Where did I accept that? and why is it that you are only responding where you mistakenly believe you may have room to expound your ignorance.
Why didn't you go to the other thread and respond there? Even a small admission of error is so hard for you.

Aje kun iya ni o je. Aje kun iya ni o je
E ni ti o to nina, tin de na de ni'. Aje kun iya ni o je

Is it by force? Are you deaf of hearing?

What part in
''I will publish my replies in my own time. Until then I am in waiting mode and still waiting''
do you have a problem with understanding?

PastorAIO:
Yet you will call yourself a christian

You're lying like a persia rug.

PastorAIO:
So Jesus is a scaremonger to you now

No, He isnt.
I simply used a crude word to explain a point

PastorAIO:
It doesn't surprise me after all it is you that said Yahweh is not El Elyon and Melchizedek (the priest that Christ's priesthood is modelled on) wasn't serving Yahweh

Keep up misquoting me ooo.
Sooner than you'll know that your pinocchio nose will soon fall and drop off

PastorAIO:
By the way, this entire thread is about Matthew 5:30. and you are talking about general context, oh my lord, the levels of irony ...

Matthew 5:30 is a text born out of an adultery context

PastorAIO:
I don't need to. You said that cutting off the hand is just hyperbole. Yet in the exact same passage that we are discussing Jesus said that the reason for cutting off the hand is that it is better to be saved with one hand than to enter hell with your whole body. So hell is a crucial part of this discussion. If the hand cutting is hyperbole, then I ask you: Is hell a hyperbole too?

Do yourself a favour and read Matthew 5:27-28 (i.e. one-two verses above Matthew 5:30)
and then Matthew 5:31-32 (i.e. one-two verses below Matthew 5:30)
to see that adultery is the crux and subject matter of how ''cutting off hands'' came in to being at the teaching on the mountain

PastorAIO:
Mr Context. You and context sha.. and all the while demonstrating no grasp of the context of what is being discussed.
You can be sure that you are as idiotic as I think you are and it is plainly demonstrated all over NL with you attempts to distort and misinterpret and twist the bible into all sorts of hideous doctrines thought up by your demonic mind

You've made a mockery and nonsense of sentence, in not tying in the sentence along with the crux of the matter taught in its paragraph
What you should have being thinking of is why is Jesus using Matthew 5:30 to serve as a deterrent to curb adultery

PastorAIO:
So you're saying that Jesus is peddling Greek inventions in Matt 5:22

What I am saying is, Jesus used and said Ghenna in Matt 5:22

PastorAIO:
and Hades I take it is real biblical Israel concept in your mind and Death is actually a physical person that can be thrown into a physical lake of fire. O ma se o. Yeye yi ma ti pupo ju

Sheol is more of a proper and real biblical Israelite concept of where the dead are ''interned''
Death is not a physical person but it will cease to exist because it will be destroyed when figuratively thrown into a physical lake of fire

PastorAIO:
I know the bible says that. that is not the point I was making. If you are not stupid go and read it again and respond intelligently.

Even sef, come to think of it. Cutting of the hand is not hyperbole. Otherwise the reasonable thing jesus was suggesting would be to just chop a finger off or cut the wrist a bit rather than excessively cutting off the whole thing.

And neither would 'it rained monkeys and Muttleylaffs' be hyperbole. Hyperbole would be saying that you are caught in a torrential rainfall when in fact it is just drizzling.

God bless you and your therapist

Christianity Etc › Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by MuttleyLaff: 4:07am On Jun 05, 2017

PastorAIO:
This is what you are resorting to. Calling names. When you feel you have an argument please respond to the issues.

''I w i l l
p u b l i s h
m y
r e p l i e s
i n
m y
o w n
t i m e.
U n t i l
t h e n
I a m
i n
w a i t i n g
m o d e
a n d
s t i l l
w a i t i n g''
Capisce?

Christianity Etc › Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by MuttleyLaff: 2:52am On Jun 05, 2017

PastorAIO:
At least we know that you can respond and you have no excuses but simply refuse to because of your satanic arrogance. Even a simple decent, 'oh I didn't know that, I admit I was probably wrong'. That is too much for you. Yet you claim to have a spirit from God.
And Ego filled spirit from the Arch Shaitan himself is closer to the truth.

Are you on some medications?
Like seriously, or you're on a day release?

PastorAIO:
and talking about face off:
the pompous confrontational braggadocious posts started with you.
and now you have to run and duck

What part in
''I will publish my replies in my own time. Until then I am in waiting mode and still waiting''
do you have a problem with understanding
So many nut cases loose on Nairaland.
Thankfully your IP address got noted down so mental assessment teams can pay you a visit.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by MuttleyLaff: 2:15am On Jun 05, 2017

PastorAIO:
Well I'm not going to hold my breath because the bottom line is that Cyrus says in the bible, which you hold to be Absolute literal truth, that it was Yahweh that commissioned him and gave him mandate. So if you want to keep up your Cyrus Cylinder brouhaha then you are calling your bible a liar. A book of lies. Either Cyrus said Yahweh called him, or Cyrus said that Marduk called him.

If you can resolve this dilemma for your pathetic weak brain within the next 35 years I'll give you a biscuit.

PastorAIO:
And please menh, if you need help to stop your wife from nagging you I can recommend some agbo (native herbs) that will help make you a man again, and your wife happier with you.

Wow, your whole diatribe makes it sound you're going out of your way dying for a ~~jerk off~~ face-off
and if you look up j e r k in the dictionary you will see a picture of your face
You are outed for what you really are

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