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No head, no tail, body making no sense, but nothing other than less amusing to read confused-up dot com long winded nonsense. The terrible air of finality espoused in the post(s) is unforgivably cringeworthy to read. I know I can enjoy better go sweep leaves up in my front lawn and garden or watch paint dry

AntiChristian:


Wonderful!

Say no to protect sha! Jesus never protested against the government at any time. He was concerned with how the masses will get the kingdom of God.

The government was bad during Jesus' time. Why didn't he organise a peaceful protest with the disciples or the 5000 he fed?

Organising a peaceful protest against the Roman government was not in the remit nor within the purview of

Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ protested against the government, with the display of compassion. It wasn't just the government that was bad during Jesus' time, the Sanhedrin too was bad. ahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ public display and demonstration of compassion is an expression of peaceful protest, devoid, of violence, anarchy, public disorder, civil unrest or mass act of civil disobedience in which participants become hostile toward government or authorities, destroying of public amenities, et cetera

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AududuNine11:
Jesus Christ was consumed in the work of which His Father has set Him to do.

Jesus didn't "protest", whatever you mean by such word, He sternly rebuked and warned the hypocritical religious leaders who pervert God's words and serve as stumbling block to salvation and liberation of the lost sheep Jesus came to save.

Christ constant warning was not just to the common sinners, but to all and sundry, rulers not excluded.

I am really confused when you say Jesus Christ "protested". That sounds hilarious I must say.

If I must ask, is it the same zeal for the works of God that you're consumed with? Are you protesting for the salvation of the lost or what really?

We really need to watch it so as not to blaspheme in our attempt to justify our actions by misquoting scriptures, taking them out of context and dragging the name of the Lord into our figment of our own mind.

Sometimes, we fail to understand we are pilgrims here on earth.

We have become so entangled and choked with the cares of life that we think here is our final bus-stop.

"Speak up, judge righteously, and defend the rights of the afflicted and oppressed.
(i.e. Speak up, judge righteously, and defend the cause of the oppressed and needy)"
- Proverbs 31:9

Look up what the word "protest" means

If not for protestants, like the German theologian, Martin Luther, you won't be enjoying the benefits of his protestant reformation movement. If not for protestants like, the Baptist church minister MLK (i.e. the African American Dr Martin Luther King Jnr) the racial segregation et cetera of blacks from whites, will still be the order of the day. The 1688 Germantown Quaker Petition against slavery was the first protest against African American slavery made by a religious body in the English colonies.

It is out of protest, that the Bible got translated into English language and other languages. Also its coming from protest, that the Bible was readily made available, for everyone, so willing to, not just have access to it but also have the opportunity to freely by themselves, read the Bible, without anyone reading it from the bullpiss, sorry meant pulpit, to them.

Fyi, when the Bible, in Exodus 33:19, states God, saying to Moses, that "I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion" it is letting you know that compassion, is birthed out of some sense and/or semblance of protest, lmso.

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haddeylium:
I would commend you for using Almighty God personal name.
Which means' I am what I am / I'll be become what I'll become.

One thing is, no one is certain of the original pronunciation of this name
Yahweh is the transliteration form of the name while Jehovah is the translational form of God's personal name.( Jesus, Jeremiah, Elijah, Jacob and others are translated too in this manner)

So, whether Latinized or not, the important thing is the usage of God's personal name in whatever languages (I'll become what I'll become)

Please don't fool yourself, tell them that "I AM what I AM or I'll be become what I'll become" sent you, is not God's personal name abeggy

YHWH, the Tetragrammaton, which is a composition of those four YHWH letters, that form the Hebrew word, from which the four letters transliterated as YHWH and articulated as Yahweh, is not God's personal name

On three different and separate occasions, what is God's personal name was asked and on each different and separate occasions, the request to reveal what the personal name of God was not granted.

Yakov aka Jacob was the first person, wanting to know what God's personal name is, but he met with a brick wall. Moshe aka Moses was the second person to try weasel out God's personal name, what he got in response was "Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh" meaning I AM that I AM or I AM who I AM or even I WILL BE WHAT I WILL BE or I will become what I choose to become. The last person to ask similar "what is the name of God" question, was Manoah, and for his trouble, he got a: "Why do you ask My name? It is beyond understanding. You don't need to know My name. And if you did, you couldn't understand it.""

You think it is beans that the Yoruba, in capturing the essence and degree of understanding God, call Him "Eledumare" ni, hmm?. Aside the Yoruba calling God "Eledumare" or "Olodumare" they affectionately describes Him also as "Awamaridi" which when loosely translated means the "Unfathomable One" (i.e. The incapable of being fully understood One)

Fyi, when to decontruct the word "Eledumare" or "Olodumare" passing as a name for God, you'll interestingly find out that it actually is a portmanteau word, of which the constituent words when loosely translated, means, "the Owner or Custodian of absolute energy and infinite mysteries, who has knowledge of all blessings"

God's personal name is so potent and Wonderful, to be just like that, rolled off the lips of mortal human beings.

haddeylium:
... Joy in English is Ayo Yoruba. Different spelling and pronunciation but that doesn't make Ayo in Yoruba less Happiness.

"²²But the Holy Spirit produces this kind of fruit in our lives:
love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
²³gentleness, and self-control. There is no law against these things!"
- Galatians 5:22-23

Fyi, "Joy" in English language, means "Ayọ" in Yoruba language, similar to how the English word, "Rejoice" means "Yọ" in Yoruba language, while "Happiness" in English language, means "Idunnu" in Yoruba language.

Joy and happiness, are wonderful emotions, we human beings experience, but the two feelings are very different to each other, in the sense that, joy satisfies the heart, in a way, that any kind/form of happiness never can (i.e. " ... the joy of the Lord is your strength" from Nehemiah 8:10b) and it doesnt surprise me that, happiness doesnt feature in any of the Galatians 5:22-23 above, nine mentioned fruit flavours of the Holy Spirit

Myer:
Why are you deviating?
Whether he was taken in a chariot of fire or whirlwind, which occurred simultaneously, the fact of the matter is that he did not die but was taken to heaven.

If you don't want to accept that, then write your own version of the bible with whatever twists and concoctions that make you happy.

The only persons I know who are deviating from bible ground rules are you and your incorrigible cohorts

Pride won't allow you admit you made a long standing boo-boo. Why can't you swallow your pride and conceited self-assurance.

Its someone like you who doesnt know what function were the chariot of fire with horses of fire there for performing. You are behaving like a shameless thief caught in the village square with hand stuck in the cookie jar. From your bad Sunday school learning years, you've until today, always believed that Elijah went up in a chariot of fire with horses of fire, lmso.

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At least you've had the good sense to not repeat that Elijah went up in a chariot of fire

Myer:
I think you like to read your own meaning into the bible otherwise there's no arguing whether or not Elijah was taken up after chariot of fire appeared. It was clearly stated in 2 Kings 2:11.
And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.

You aren't even man enough to own up to your mistake and bad learning. Was it not you above who typed that Elijah was taken in a chariot of fire, huh?

Why are you unwilling to show on here in white and black, where the Bible stats that prophet Elijah, according to you, was take-in a chariot of fire, hmm? Instead of you to acknowledge you unnecessarily read more into the Bible, telling lies that Elijah went up in a chariot you're busy trying this pathetic attempt to brush your blunder under the carpet.

Myer:
This is different from Philip. Acts 8:39
When they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord suddenly took Philip away, and the eunuch did not see him again, but went on his way rejoicing.

While Enoch and John the beloved can be argued, Elijah's case was clearly stated. He did not die.

Will you just keep quiet. Whats the matter with you sef

John 21:23, is incontrovertible proof that Apostle John can never be argued to not die. The Bible never said Enoch and Elijah never died. In fact 365 years are the total number of years the Bible says Enoch lived. Now if Enoch did not die, then Enoch by now should be circa 6000 years old, nobi so?

Fyi, what Elijah in 2 Kings 2:11 and Philip. Acts 8:39, have in common, is the force that got hold of, snatched and lifted them away. Think of the force that parted the Red Sea, wide enough for the Israelites to walk on a dry sea bed to the promised land

If it makes you sleep well at night, please enjoy ignorantly aiding and abetting spreading all these your false and misleading information here on this thread, smh sigh

Tochj:
You don't know that Jesus protested The evils done by Religious And political leaders of his time. How?
The used whips to pursue and upturn the tables of money changers in the temple.
2. We called out Herod by calling him a Fox
3. Many times he confronted the Pharisees and saducces.
All these can be called a protest.

Are you minding that Far-i-See modern day Pharisee, who cant see beyond his nose. Watch as he soon will be seeking for the thread to be put on FP

petra1:
Its a personal civic thing. But not in the name of Christ or Christianity.

MuttleyLaff:
"Wherever they refuse to receive you,
as you leave that town shake off the very dust from your feet as a protest against them."
- Luke 9:5

Dare I ask, whose name is associated with Luke 9:5 above there, hmm?

petra1:
There's difference between civic actions and Gospel responsibility.

First give the answer to the question above asked you, then you can, for as long as you want, begin discuss, the difference between civic actions and Gospel responsibility. You even could discuss racial segregation, flagrant abuse of power, injustice, discrimination of whatever sort, protest against the CAMA law for churches et cetera as whether each or all fall with civic actions and Gospel responsibility

petra1:
Its a personal civic thing. But not in the name of Christ or Christianity.

"Wherever they refuse to receive you,
as you leave that town shake off the very dust from your feet as a protest against them."
- Luke 9:5

Dare I ask, whose name is associated with Luke 9:5 above there, hmm?

AududuNine11:
You can hardly make any coherent statement. And you want me to give you a reply. Reply to the long disjointed post of yours that yourself do not understand?

How did you manage to put that up? Really mind boggling.

You think too highly of yourself, thinking that replies where solicited or required from you. Your cerebral incapacity wouldnt permit your ADHD brain from understanding even the simplest and broken down I could post. Try pull out your head from way back inside you rear end you've shoved it into, then maybe enough blood will then easily have chance to flow to your head enough for you begin to understand posts. Mtcheew defeatist, pacifist who doesnt believe in good cause protest

Amatarasha:
Our Lord Jesus instructed us to avoid protest that is against our leaders , is a sin

AududuNine11:
You are not one of us.

She is better off without being one of youse, because defo havent the making of MLK (i.e. Dr Martin Luther King, Jr)

Amatarasha:
y deny me Christ Sall? Am a born again fyi

You dont owe this one any explanation nor his validation

@above post
At last, a timely breath of refreshing good air, voice of reason and an example of someone with a good head on their shoulders

Just imagine saying prophet Elijah was taken in a chariot of fire, when the Bible never ever said anything like that, but then we do like reading into the Bible what we like to see written in it, so I dont blame Myer for that slip up. Others, better take note, so not to repeat this bad learning based down from years of bad and unchecked indoctrination

Ken4Christ:
When Moses asked him what he will tell Pharaoh if demands for who sent him

You mine dear sire, with the utmost respect and regards are nothing other than a pretender enthusiast of 2 Timothy 2:15, if you aren't, then prove me wrong by providing the Bible verse of Moses asked God what he will tell Pharaoh if demands for who sent him.

Ken4Christ:
what did God answer Moses?

God's answer to Moses is Bible 101 kindergarten knowledge, but you sire, have got your wires crossed and mixing up what God advised Moses to say to the Israelites (i.e. Exodus 3:14) with an, in toto similar dialogue with Pharaoh that never existed

Even with God's answer to Moses, God, as usual, never revealed what His personal name made, as He has said His personal name is incomprehensible, hence never divulged what it is. God, as trade off, told Moshe aka Moses to say to the Israelites that "Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh" (i.e. I AM that I AM or I AM who I AM or even I WILL BE WHAT I WILL BE or I will become what I choose to become) sent him, Moses to them so that they be liberated from the Egyptian enslavement

Ken4Christ:
Why didn't he say that Jehovah sent him?

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What is going on here?
Why are you asking me about this artificial Latinized Jehovah name
Why do you think he should say Jehovah sent him, when the word Jehovah doesnt even at all exist in Hebrew, besides that on top of the the fact and truth that, there is no letter or alphabet J, in Hebrew to come about, to form a Jehovah name

Ken4Christ:
All of God's name is wrapped up now in the name of Jesus.
Pls upgrade your knowledge.

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Whats that about?
"Pls upgrade your knowledge" sic.

The Yahshua part of Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ, is wrapped up in the meaning that, Yahweh (i.e. Yah) is salvation (i.e. Shua), breaking it further down, Yahshua and even the name, Joshua, means "Yah saves," where, Yah is short for Yahweh (i.e. God). God, through Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ came to earth to rescue, to save human beings (i.e. Yahshua = Yah + shuah, meaning God Saves)

Myer:
While it is appointed for every man to die. God made exception with Enoch, Elijah and John the Beloved according to the bible.

So if you know that death in inevitable, that death is inescapable because it is appointed for every man to die and after that be judged by God (i.e. Hebrew 9:27) then I ask you the following easy, simple, harmless, innocent, point blank straightforward questions
1/ Under what criterion/criteria are Enoch, Elijah and John the Beloved based on that allowed them not to taste death?
2/ What is being achieved from Enoch, Elijah and John the Beloved allegedly by you, not dying?
3/ What is being proven from Enoch, Elijah and John the Beloved allegedly by you, not tasting physical death and decomposition of their mortal bodies?

Myer:
Just the same way an exception was made for Jesus to be born without an earthly father. God makes exceptions whenever he wants to.

Yahshua Ha Mashiach, aka Jesus Christ, is God incarnated, dont ever again, make the mistake of putting Yahshua/Jesus in the same category of Enoch, Elijah and John the Beloved, who each all, are incapable of actualising the latter ending part of John 12:24's: "I tell you the truth, unless a kernel of wheat is planted in the soil and dies, it remains alone. But its death will produce many new kernels—a plentiful harvest of new lives"
cc: Darnley

Myer:
I'm simply sharing what the bible stated.

My dear sire, with the utmost respect, you're simply sharing what the Bible never explicitly stated nor implied. You sire, in fact, are regurgitating information, when put under the light, exposes bad learning

Myer:
Elijah never died but was taken in a chariot of fire. 2 Kings 2:11-12

I dont know what Bible translation version you've been reading that states that prophet Elijah was taken in a chariot of fire.

Sire, are you 10000% sure that 2 Kings 2:11-12, states that prophet Elijah never died, and to make this worse, are you also confidently saying that prophet Elijah was taken in a chariot of fire, huh?

Please kindly type out here, word for word, anywhere in the Bible, that states prophet Elijah was taken in a chariot of fire, lmso. Thank you in advance for granting this humble request

Myer:
Enoch and John the Beloved not dying was implied and not as detailed as Elijah

"¹⁹Jesus said this to tell how Peter would die and bring honor to God. Then he said to Peter, “Follow me!”
²⁰Peter turned and saw Jesus' favorite disciple following them (i.e. Apostle John)
He was the same one who had sat next to Jesus at the meal and had asked, “Lord, who is going to betray you?”
²¹When Peter saw this disciple, he asked Jesus, “Lord, what about him?”
²²Jesus answered, “What is it to you, if I want him to live until I return? You must follow me.”
²³So the rumor spread among the other disciples that this disciple would not die.
But Jesus did not say he (i.e. Apostle John) would not die.
He simply said, “What is it to you, if I want him (i.e. Apostle John) to live until I return?”
(i.e. However, Jesus did not say that he (i.e. Apostle John) would not die,
but only, “If I want him (i.e. Apostle John) to remain until I return, what is that to you?)"
- John 21:19-23

No where in the Bible is Enoch implied not dying or not to ever die. What happened was that, Enoch was made to die earlier than the coming death that happened 120 years, after his son Methuselah died. That was the death Enoch was taken away from and to not die from.

As for Apostle John, the disciple, the one whom Yahshua aka Jesus loved, he was the only one among the apostles, who died a natural physical death, as the other apostles died gruesome and extremely unpleasant deaths as martyrs.

John 21:23, is incontrovertible proof that Apostle John was never in the Bible implied to not die. All these your misinformation is nothing other than just the sae old rumour, that you 2000 years later, have fallen a victim to, and ignorantly aiding and abetting spreading this false information here on this thread, smh sigh

I wouldnt bother going into asking you why is it that, Yahshua aka Jesus, handed over the care of His mother, Mary into the hands of Apostle John, the disciple, the one whom Yahshua aka Jesus loved, and no other disciple/apostle, as I know, you'll defo won't understand the question enough to give the correct answer, lmso.

Ken4Christ:
Did the Scripture there said that his name is Jehovah?

Janosky:
Please quote Psalms 83:18 and Exodus 6:3 from your old KJV Bible, if you still get liver.

"May they know that You alone-- whose name is Yahweh-- are the Most High over all the earth."
- Psalms 83:18

"I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob as El-Shaddai—‘God Almighty’—
but I did not reveal my name, Yahweh, to them."
- Exodus 6:3

There you easily have it. done. Now, if you equally have liver, strong liver that is, like we do have, not a lilly livered one, you defo have, then provide scripture anywhere said that His name is the artificial Latinized name Jehovah, lmso

Myer:
Enoch and Elijah did not die like normal people do.

C'mon even you too as well. Smh head

OK, oya, let's have this sorted out
1/ Where does the Bible say, Enoch and Elijah did not die, like the way every other normal people dies?
2/ Why wouldnt Enoch and Elijah die, just like every other normal people do die?
3/ What is the valid, legal and legitimate reason for Enoch and Elijah not to die, that has since after them hasn't been met that it be copied by others?
4/ What are Enoch and Elijah physiological make up, that qualifies them to be immortal, be indestructible, be deathless, lmso?

Myer:
While Elijah's case was clearly expressed, the bible did not share how Enoch was taken.

But it is believed that he was taken away and did not die.

The bible clearly stated that Enoch was teleportedly taken away, a similar way Elijah and Philip were transported to a different location.

Death, is inevitable to all human beings. There is no exception to the long Genesis 2:17 - "....you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil; for in the day that you eat of it, you will surely die.”"

AududuNine11:
Your post shows your how grossly inempt you are with Bible exegesis.

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The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men/women, to do or say nothing.

I was fair with you, asking you to have a lucky guess, and tell who is it talking in the Luke 9:5 above posted, but you preferred to dodge the revealing answer, instead looking for specks in my eyes, ignoring the big fat plank of wood in your eyes. Smh sigh

Dtruthspeaker:
Enoch did not Die, ...

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Smh sigh.
Wetin Musa no go see from miguard gatehouse

If by your insistent ignorance, "Enoch did not Die, He Lives!" sic, then answer the following:
1/ Why isn't there any reoccurrence of a human being not physically dying like Enoch according to you alleging Enoch didnt die but lives on, hmm?
2/ Who was Methuselah's father or what is Methuselah's father's name?
3/ What is the meaning of the Hebrew name Methuselah?
4/ Are you at all conversant or familiar with the "Methuselah genealogy flood" prophecy?
5/ After answering #2, 3 and 4 above, has the penny dropped yet for you, as of realising what death Enoch didnt die from, hmm?

Dtruthspeaker:
... He Lives!

"So all the days of Enoch were three hundred and sixty-five years.
(i.e. Altogether, Enoch lived a total of 365 years or so Enoch's life lasted 365 years)"
- Genesis 5:23

You say "...He Lives!", yet Moshe aka Moses, who penned this information, tells us that Enoch lived a total of 365 years, meaning the entire lifetime of Enoch was 365 years, yet you in the most ignorant and falling foul of scripture hermeneutic and exegesis keep putting your foot in your mouth when you say Enoch did not physically die and make it worse, say he lives, when the only part of Enoch that lives, while awaiting the trumpet sound is his soul, as his body has long gone back to being dust, lmso

Dtruthspeaker:
Where? Beyond the Territories of the earth which are in and within The Kingdom/Domain of God!

What is the name of this "Beyond the Territories of the earth which are in and within The Kingdom/Domain of God!" sic called, please bring up scripture verse(s) to back up your answer with. Thank you in advance for complying, lmso

Dtruthspeaker:
[s]If there was a flaw you would have pointed it out, not RAISING FRESH ISSUES or Compelling me to RE-PROVE What Has been Proven!

You have the Power to Accept or Reject Any Evidence that is your God Given Right But When A Thing is Evident, it Requires No Evidence.

I am Certain that you Do Not know that Without The Permission of God, We The Followers and Servants of God Can Not Fight or Destroy or kill!

I am sure you have seen it Written that "There is a time to kill, war, hate, cast away stones, rend and a time to..."

No. I said and I have always said that man is not going to heaven, for we already have heaven) but the Kingdom of God.

So the question I leave is What is the kingdom of God (The Scope and Effect)? Where (Territory or Place) is the Kingdom of God,? How Vast is the Kingdom of God (Length, Breadth, Height, Width)?

Addresed Already!

Repeating a Question will not change my answer to it.

If you do not find my answers satisfactory, it's yours to bear.

See, Kingdom of God, not heaven.

Why? Because we are enjoying the goodness of God in that God Confined our Corruption to the earth (physical, flesh or body as you say) alone, so that while it can die in conformity with His Commandment, we, who choose to Live, shall Live by use of Another Body that is not physical and flesh.

But you would not hear me.

1) The Fear and Understanding of the Lord.
2) The Unlocking and Use of your spirit.
3) The Doing of The Right and Good and the Avoidance of All evil! (Righteousness)
4) A penitent and Contrite Spirit. (Pure in heart)
5) A Humble Soul (Poor in spirit)

I am sorry to have troubled you but I can not to be blamed for your lack of understanding of the Bible.

For I am not the giver of Understanding, but a receiver, who has merely disclosed, what I have received, which you are very much entitled to Reject.

But Understanding is Given By The Lord, and not I [/s]

I will make this a lot easier for you by asking you an easy, simple, innocent, harmless, point black and straightforward question that:
Did Enoch physically die and is now sleep, awaiting the trumpet blow, or not, hmm?

orisa37:
Is he an Edomite too? Or a Laughing Mucus?

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Dtruthspeaker:
I disagree with you all on this for if you knew God, you will know that He is The Most Dangerous Guy in the World and Anyone in Alliance and Connection with Him, is Very very Dangerous Too

MuttleyLaff:
... You want to play hard ball erhn. OK, if that's how you like it, bring it on then.

Why wasn't God dangerous to the Sanhedrin council and the Romans aiding and abetting in put God to death, lmso?

Dtruthspeaker:
Are you seriously saying this with the intention of attempting to weaken my presentation on the Power of God in rebuttal of your claim that "They never ascended to any incorporeal heaven, they got in the air, teleported to another place of earth for their own safety and protection"?

I dont have any need to say anything to weaken your already flawed, unsound, making a mockery of the ethos of 2 Timothy 2:15 substandard presentation. Even my teenager nephews/nieces would do a better exegete of Genesis 5:24 and Hebrews 11:5 than you have

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Dtruthspeaker:
So how then can they (Enoch/Elijah), being Dangerous people, need to be protected from people?

MuttleyLaff:
You're plucking at low hanging fruits, lmso. Where did you read anyone type about Enoch/Elijah needed to be protected from people, hmm? Posters, like you, just relish reading in something entirely alien to what originally it is you've read, so suit the narrative to your subjective reasonings, smh

Dtruthspeaker:
You said it, "They never ascended to any incorporeal heaven, they got in the air, teleported to another place of earth for their own safety and protection."

"¹Now Ahab told Jezebel everything that Elijah had done and how he had killed all the prophets with the sword.
²So Jezebel sent a messenger to Elijah, saying, “May the gods deal with me, and ever so severely, if by this time tomorrow I do not make your life like the lives of those you killed!”
³And Elijah was afraid and ran for his life. When he came to Beersheba in Judah, he left his servant there,"
- 1 Kings 19:1-3

Not only me, but so too the Bible, in, John 3:13, states that "No one has ascended into heaven except He who descended from heaven, the Son of Man.” I take my cue from the Bible, lmso, that nobody has ascended to heaven, whereas you believe that Elijah was that dangerous enough not faint, have suicidal thought and begged God to take his life away from him, when the mounting pressure of Jezebel and her husband King Ahab got too much at him

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Dtruthspeaker:
Now to your question why was Enoch and Elijah Taken?

Answer- (1) They Did So Well! I Repeat, That They Did So Well!

MuttleyLaff:
I asked for the reason, I asked for what gave rise to the action that necessitated that they should be translated before they actually obviously died,

lmso and you're repeating a "They Did So Well! I Repeat, That They Did So Well!" sing song, as if like a prized parrot. Does that sound like a correct and knowledgeable answer to you, huh

Dtruthspeaker:
No! you asked why I think that they did not die, which I answered.

Not why "they should be translated before they actually obviously died".

Can you now see that you didnt at all give any correct and knowledgeable answer, huh?

Never mind just answer these three questions in the same numbered format and styled asked
1/ Why was Enoch and Elijah Taken?
2/ What gave rise to the action that necessitated that Enoch and Elijah should be translated before they actually obviously did later physically die and have their bodies decomposed?
3/ Why was Elijah translated, why was Enoch, as well, earlier translated too. What were both of them being protected from that God caused them to be translated?

Dtruthspeaker:
And this is a scrambled thinking. How can you mix The Commendable Conduct of One Sinner (Enoch) with the Provision of God to Save Sinners because you wish to rebut my assertion?

"Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God."
- John 3:5

"My friends, I want you to know that our bodies of flesh and blood will decay.
This means they cannot share in God's kingdom, which lasts forever."
- 1 Corinthians 15:50

Why dont you listen to yourself. List down here the necessities a human being is first subjected to for consideration to qualify to enter the kingdom of Heaven?

Dtruthspeaker:
Because of your strong desire to make a rebuttal you have picked up anything that says heavens to present your counter thereby discarding that Genesis 1, is the Omnibus Statement on and about the Environment which Affects us and shall Affect us, which is the Conjoined Twins of heaven and earth.

"In the beginning God created the heaven (not heavens but heaven. And you know this but you just had to twist it) and the earth."

I have been gentle, civil, fair-minded and above board with you, to the extent that I asked you an easy, simple, harmless, innocent and straightforward question about how many heavens there are, but you emphatically came back with a IMHO blasé ignorant response that "There is only one Heaven That Has Been Given To Us, to wit- The Conjoined Twin of the Earth!"

My response to your faux pas, after reproducing "Seeing then that we have a great High Priest
who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession.[/I]" - Hebrews 4:14, was asking you that: "[i]Should I provide you with more scripture, other than that Hebrews 4:14 above, showing the plurality of heaven, huh?"

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Dtruthspeaker:
All "Sleep" Except Those Who have been Sentenced to Hell/The Deep.

Dtruthspeaker:
Of course you know the answer but you just must oppose me because I repeated it. John 11:11-14 "Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep".

But I know you know this!

I will be complicit in perpetuating falsehood if I dont speak up, when it clearly shows you're in error. I dont have to at all oppose you, all thats necessary is that each time you put out crooked sticks, I'll lay a straight stick alongside it, and the work is done for interested parties to see and/or judge for themselves, lmso

You see to a selective memory retention, because you have forgotten that it was your above "All "Sleep" Except Those Who have been Sentenced to Hell/The Deep" sic that prompted me to question your depth of knowledge and understanding of "Sleep" seeing that you have ascribed this only to "Those Who have been Sentenced to Hell/The Deep" sic, conveniently brushing aside the eye opener teaching of Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ, when in the New Testament, He brought things into perspective when He shared the hyperbolic illustration of Sheol with the story of the Rich Man being elsewhere and Abraham with the Poor Man being on a different side within Sheol.

Until Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ in the New Testament, Sheol in general, without necessarily distinguishing between righteous or unrighteous souls, has been the realm of the whole lot, dead or the whole lot abode of the dead, without any distinction mentioned

We have verses in OT (e.g. Psalm 9:17 etcetera) suggesting that the wicked go to Sheol but it was Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ in the New Testament that brought things into perspective when he shared the hyperbolic illustration of Sheol with the story of the Rich Man being elsewhere and Abraham with the Poor Man being on a different side, also there in Sheol.

Now contrary to your warp bible knowledge, you claim that "All "Sleep" Except Those Who have been Sentenced to Hell/The Deep" sic, when in fact the Rich man in that parable wasn't "sleep" but equally just like Lazarus, was conscious in that realm of the dead, albeit complaining bitterly and begging for favours

orisa37:
ENOCH DIDN'T DIE.

ENOCH IS A REGENERATION OF THE SPIRIT. IN JOHN 3 : 13, JESUS IS SPEAKING OF THE MOVEMENTS OF THE SPIRITS IN A WAY THAT ONLY BORNAGAINS CAN FATHOM. AND GOD IS THE SUPREME SPIRIT. I ONLY HOPE THAT NICODEMUS GOT THE POINT.

Not you as well, joining the gang. Smh.

MuttleyLaff:
... Elijah was carried away, the same way Philip in Acts 8:39-40, was carried away to another location not for the eunuch to see him no more again

Just as with Elijah and Philip, so was Enoch, teleported to another place from whence he later died his physical death, when it was time for Owner of breath to ask for it back

Enoch is currently in Sheol albeit the Abraham's bosom aka Paradise sectional part of the Sheol, otherwise known as the grave too. I enjoy entertained by the whining pretentious empty barrel, biblically undereducated ignoranus, busybody and gossiper who takes delight in unashamedly parading his ignorances in full public glare and are so quick to defensively be waving Proverbs 26:4-5 in the air, at any sight of anyone placing up a straight stick alongside his laid down on the ground crooked sticks. Smh sighing at the pathetic sight of all that. Mtcheew. KMT.

ladywise:
Always remember this

Yeah, life or death. Chose one

Unbelievers, are very much, a part of that equation of life.

johnw47:
God can make exceptions to the general rules
many others will not be tasting death also:

"We die only once, and then we are judged.
(i.e. Indeed, just as people are destined to die once and after that to be judged)"
- Hebrews 9:27

I doubt you understand that, a living saint, first had to die, died to self, which is the precursor before being born again. No human being, no being, born of a woman can ever escape not dying. Now here's the shockingly point and interesting part, every human being has to taste death twice. It is for the righteous human to first die to self onwards to become born from on high (i.e. born again) and secondly to eventually die the physical death, meaning the death from the spirit/breath leaving the body, the body going into the ground, decomposing into dust and the soul go to a holding place to await judgment as per the instructive Hebrews 9:27 seen above

Remember, as I started off, that I mentioned that every human being has to taste death twice. Well, the unrighteous, won't die to self, the unrighteous aren't born from on high (i.e. are not born again), so this means, they only experience the physical death of their spirit/breath leaving their body, their body going into the ground, decomposing into dust and their soul go to a holding place to await judgment as per the instructive Hebrews 9:27. Obviously, to have a rendezvous with their second death in the Lake of Fire, along with Hades/Hell/Gehenna/Sheol/grave and Death itself, lmso

The saints have died twice already, hence won't because of the sake of having the righteousness of God in Christ wouldnt partake in honouring an invite to the fireworks display of the Lake of Fire, lmso. This thumb nail brief explanation, is fyi, how many others (i.e. saints) will not be tasting death also. If as a saint the judgement trumpet is blown, then in a twinkle of an eye, such who havent the opportunity to physically die, would be transformed, to shed their bodies, swapping it for spanking Eden revisited glorified bodies that A&E lost (i.e. Job 29:14 and Isaiah 61:10)

johnw47:
1 Co 15:51  Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 
1 Co 15:52  In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 
1 Co 15:53  For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

Php 3:20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ: 
Php 3:21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

C'mon johnw47, you know better not to be proof-texting with scripture here now. Please show me an example of person(s) yet, that you know of who has/have pulled off 1 Conrithians 15:51-53 and Philippians 3:20-21. Will you kindly give name(s) of person(s) please?

johnw47:
^^ Jesus doesn't have the living Faithful die to change them

"Jesus said this and then added, "Our friend Lazarus has fallen asleep, but I will go and wake him up."
- John 11:11

"Then Jesus went inside and said to them,
"Why are you crying and carrying on like this? The child isn't dead. She is just asleep.""
- Mark 5:39

"He said, "Leave; for the girl has not died, but is asleep."
And they began laughing at Him."
- Matthew 9:24

Every human being that crosses over from the land of the living into the land of dead automatically is oblivious of things and events happening in the land of the living while being there in the great beyond, so just like when being alive but having a siesta that you are unconscious of whats physically happening around you, so it is with dead people, because they are unconscious of what's happening in the land of the living while they themselves are in the great beyond, it is said they are sleeping, because in reality, they are still alive, their souls are alive, awaiting judgment day, but they are not alive to our world anymore, they literally and technically are asleep. Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ, as you can see in the three verses above made testament to this "sleeping" fact, lmso

johnw47:
1 Jn 3:2  Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be:
but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

^^ we shall be like Him when He appears, changed from mortal to immortal
death has nothing to do with it, but life has

1 Th 4:16  For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 
1 Th 4:17  Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

^^ we which are alive are changed and caughtup to the Lord, we who are alive don't die

Please stop all this putting on condom after orgasms. You're jumping the gun. You're trying to run in the Olympics without first waiting to tie up your running sneakers' laces. You habitually have started again, proof-texting with unrelated and unconnected bible verses that are at odds with the decree.

johnw47:
Heb_11:5  By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

You need to make up your mind over which particular death is it, that the Bible is talking of in circa Genesis 5:24 and Hebrews 11:5 that Enoch shouldn't see, because after all, some thing must kill a man and Enoch was no exception to this rule, even the Son of Man, divinity and humanity merged, God incarnate, died. What particular death, again, I ask you, did the patriarch Enoch, not see?
cc: Blabbermouth

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AududuNine11:
Should a believer join any PROTEST, DEMONSTRATE, CARRY PLACARDS?

Here's my view as a believer regarding PROTEST/DEMONSTRATION - peaceful or not peaceful, SARS related or not:

"All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not."
1 Corinthians 10:23 KJV

Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ, is/was a kofam, bona fide and real McCoy Protester, to a fault, lmso. He showed the Sanhedrin real pepper. He regularly "pepper gang" them real good, lmso

Kobojunkie:
The decision to engage in protest/demonstrate or carry placards is ultimately yours since Jesus Christ never commanded us, in any way, not to engage in bettering the communities at large in which we live in.
What has this verse from Paul to do with you and your view on whether a believer can join protests or not?

"Wherever they refuse to receive you,
as you leave that town shake off the very dust from your feet as a protest against them."
- Luke 9:5

"We are wiping your city's dust from our feet in protest against you!
But realize that the kingdom of God is near you!'."
- Luke 10:11

"In protest against these people, Paul and Barnabas shook the dust off their feet and went to the city of Iconium."
- Acts 13:51

"Therefore I protest to you to-day that I am not responsible for the ruin of any one of you"
- Acts 20:26

"A man whose opinions are not those of the church, after a first and second protest, is to be kept out of your society"
- Titus 3:10

Expressing a disapproval to what someone has said and/or a valid objection to what someone has done is something expected of any reasonable, biblically intelligent and/or bible well informed person, religiously to do

Now have a lucky guess, who is it talking in Luke 9:5 above, hmm?

Amotolongbo:
Dem don come again!

Those who don’t understand the reasons for their existence

Na dem, na dem nah ...

Kobojunkie:
B[s]oth amount to filthy rags in the end .... Remember, all good we do, that is not in direct obedience to God's commandment, is all filthy rags at the end of the day, and I have seen this over and over and over again.
What Isaiah the prophet said, is indeed true. Man's take on goodness, be it borne of religion, or some form of spirituality, is nothing but filthy rags when compared to God's commands to us.

Isaiah 64 vs 4-19 (ERV)
3. But you have done awesome things that we did not expect. You came down, and mountains shook in fear before you.
4. No one has ever heard of such a God. No one has ever heard such a story. No one has ever seen any God except you, who does such great things for those who trust him.
5. You welcome people who enjoy doing good and who remember you by living the way you want them to. But we sinned against you, and you became angry with us.[a] But you always saved us!
6. We are all dirty with sin. Even our good works are not pure. They are like bloodstained rags. We are all like dead leaves. Our sins have carried us away like wind.
7. We don’t call to you for help. We aren’t excited about following you, so you have turned away from us. We are helpless before you, because we are full of sin.
8. But, Lord, you are our father. We are like clay, and you are the potter. Your hands made us all.
9. Lord, don’t continue to be angry with us! Don’t remember our sins forever! Please, look at us! We are all your people.[/s]

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Wow, wow, wow. Word after word. Gbam. Gbamer. Gbamest

Somebody please pass this my guy/gal, tobechi74 on fire, this chilled bottle of orijin for these eight top-notch posts. Plus send him/her a truckload of kolanuts as well and after that, consider him/her sharp sharp, next governor in waiting of his/her state of origin.

Oinn, you right on point, in a fantabulous way, did well on all accounts. Wehdone Sir/Ma'am! Please drink responsibly though.

johnw47:
ha ha ha, maybe not daisy this time
but rose?

"For it is clear that wise men die, and the foolish and the senseless both perish and leave their wealth to others."
- Psalm 49:10

"⁶“Indeed I said, ‘You are gods,
and all of you are sons of the Most High.
⁷However, as all human beings do, you will die,
and like other rulers, you will fall.’"
- Psalm 82:7

"⁶“Indeed I said, ‘You are gods,
and all of you are sons of the Most High.
⁷However, as all human beings do, you will die,
and like other rulers, you will fall.’"
- Psalm 82:7

"What man can live and never see death?
Who can deliver his soul from the power of Sheol? Selah"
- Psalm 89:48

Well apparent the bot knows about Psalm 49:10, Psalm 82:7 and Psalm 89:48, it knows that Enoch being human, died just like every other human being died, hence why it hid that post and gave the poster a deservedly good ban to reflect on holding an opinion that is at odd with what scripture says

Ihedinobi3:
I think that that statement from Hebrews 11 is not confusing in the slightest. It would do you good to let it be what it says it is.

The physical death is one that we all experience unless it pleases the Lord to except us from it, and the Lord is perfectly at liberty to grant us an exception from it, just as He clearly did in the case of Enoch and will do in the case of those who experience the living resurrection at the return of Jesus Christ.

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johnw47:
yes that's how i see it too, thanks for your writings
a lot of work goes into them

"“No one has ascended into heaven except He who descended from heaven, the Son of Man.”
- John 3:13

A lot of work needs to go into cutting the teeth with Psalm 49:10, Psalm 82:7 and Psalm 89:48 above to start with, lmso. For Enoch not to have tasted death, for Enoch not to have died, is tantamount to saying that Enoch is God. Even God died and resurrected from the dead three days after (i.e. John 2:19)

All this nonsense talk that Enoch did not die or did not taste, is absurd and incongruous with bible core truths. It is a travesty of 2 Timothy 2:15 to say someone like Enoch, made in the likeness and image of a fall from grace to grass Adam, did not taste death. Who dash the proverbial monkey, that kind banana pass not to die, huh?