Janosky: John 19:6-7, From the mouth of the Jews themselves.
You're clutching at straws. Straws on the surface flow, he who desire pearls, must dive below the surface, lmso. Well you havent yet cut your teeth, so, I do understand the reason for your poor and surface level insight into who, in John 19:6-7, really is the Son of God, lmso.
Janosky, tell me three things about who, what and where you are please, but start each one of the three answer sentences with the word/letter "I", lmso
Janosky: John 10:34-36. Jesus replied Muttleylaff twisting of verses 32-33.
"do you say of Him, whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, 'You are blaspheming,' because I said, 'I am the Son of God '?" (i.e. So why do you accuse me of a terrible sin for saying that I am the Son of God? After all, it is the Father who prepared me for this work. He is also the One who sent Me into the world. OR why do you say that I'm dishonoring God because I said, 'I'm the Son of God'? God set Me apart for this holy purpose and has sent Me into the world)" - John 10:36
As for you, until you have a Holy Ghost do a correct factory default setting brain reset for you, you continually will be slipping on the banana skin peel of "exerchomai" lmso (i.e. come forth, come out, proceed out and away from God, lmso)
I sincerely sure do hope you know and/or understand: 1/ What the meaning of Ha Mashiach, aka Christ or Messiah means and that you do see the connect in John 10:36 above with the specified word "sanctified" and/or phrase "set apart" 2/ Janosky, who is Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ in the Godhead? 3/ Janosky, what is/are the profound name(s), the Yoruba, call God?
Janosky: Revelation 3:5,12 Bros refused to accept Jesus Christ version of the truth. Both of them said Muttleylaff is LYING.
Never is there a moment when God became more than God, lmso, than when He "exerchomai" Himself and incarnated as Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ, lmso. Praise God for making good, the loss, with the protoevangelium promise. Alleluia. If you know, you know, as for the Janoskys of this world, who no know, well, tough, lmso
Blabbermouth: What does the man Blabbermouth know? What wisdom hath he? Is it not from the measure of the wisdom he hath from God he speaketh with? To whom then does the honor belong? To Blabbermouth or to the giver of spiritual understanding and wisdom?
I know he reads his Bible, when he reads that portion of my message, he should know the discussion is not MAN vs MAN.
Is it not from the measure of the wisdom he hath from the GB Janosky speaketh with? Janosky is GB dependent, not the Giver of spiritual understanding and wisdom dependent, lmso.
Run into the crowds, you will meet me there. Hide in a ceiling, you will meet me there. Commit suicide, you will meet me in your grave. Cover yourself with thick darkness, you still will meet me there.
With you doing the Psalm 139:7-8 and Jeremiah 23:24 styling, hmm ... then you Blabbermouth are trying to a la carte Genesis 3:5 be like God ... lmso
MuttleyLaff, will just that way do fine. You can drop the "Sir" hang on, as who the "Sir" appendage epp, lmso, hmm?
Dtruthspeaker: I have presented my positions on these issues before, no one believed me, neither did they find fault with it, but altogether ignored all I have said. So I only laid the Main Points of my Submission knowing that even though no one would be able to find fault in it, they will not accept it.
You made me hysterically laugh, where you conceitedly said "... knowing that even though no one would be able to find fault in it ..."
Dtruthspeaker: I disagree with you all on this for if you knew God, you will know that He is The Most Dangerous Guy in the World and Anyone in Alliance and Connection with Him, is Very very Dangerous Too
You want to play hard ball erhn. OK, if that's how you like it, bring it on then.
Why wasn't God dangerous to the Sanhedrin council and the Romans aiding and abetting in put God to death, lmso?
Dtruthspeaker: So how then can they (Enoch/Elijah), being Dangerous people, need to be protected from people?
You're plucking at low hanging fruits, lmso. Where did you read anyone type about Enoch/Elijah needed to be protected from people, hmm? Posters, like you, just relish reading in something entirely alien to what originally it is you've read, so suit the narrative to your subjective reasonings, smh
Dtruthspeaker: Is it not rather that evil people should even flee from them?
"Elijah walked a whole day into the wilderness. He stopped and sat down in the shade of a tree and wished he would die. "It's too much, LORD," he prayed. "Take away my life; I might as well be dead!" (i.e. ... he said. “Take my life, for I am no better than my ancestors who have already died." - 1 Kings 19:4
Let me lean on you and breathe down your neck a bit, let's see how 2 Timothy 2:15 savvy you are. Why did Elijah, in 1 Kings 19:4 above, have the blues, become suicidal and even made an official request to God to please snuff him
Dtruthspeaker: Now to your question why was Enoch and Elijah Taken?
Answer- (1) They Did So Well! I Repeat, That They Did So Well!
Look at this wayo-wayo cunning man's joke for an answer to the questions: "Why was Elijah translated, why was Enoch, as well, earlier translated too. What were both of them being protected from that God caused them to be translated"?
I asked for the reason, I asked for what gave rise to the action that necessitated that they should be translated before they actually obviously died, lmso and you're repeating a "They Did So Well! I Repeat, That They Did So Well!" sing song, as if like a prized parrot. Does that sound like a correct and knowledgeable answer to you, huh?
Dtruthspeaker: (2) God Has A Thing For The First eg Satan for evil, Adam Eve for Failure and Destruction of man, Abraham for Salvation of man, Job for boasting and winning etc.
"However, many who are first will be last, and many who are last will be first." - Matthew 19:30
I am sure you never thought of Matthew 19:30 above, before putting your foot in your mouth up there will your "God Has A Thing For The First" miscalculation remark, lmso
Dtruthspeaker: By the Bible Records, Enoch Was The FIRST MAN TO WALK PERFECTLY, With God! Knowing God and First, why would God Not Celebrate and Honour him?
You're revelling in your leaps and bounds eisegesis. If Enoch was the first man to walk perfectly, I wonder why the need for God, in the person of Yahshua Ha Mashiach, aka Jesus Christ, to come down to earth, to redeem, save and reconcile man back to God and kick start the process of man, slowly but surely be in the likeness of God, dare I say enroute to a state of "perfection"
Dtruthspeaker: Which God did By Doing What Has Never Been Done Before, (WHICH IS A CLEAR CHARACTER OF GOD SEEN ALL OVER THE BIBLE) which is that Enoch Did Not Die, AS OTHERS BEFORE him DID AND OTHERS AFTER HIM DID!
The Same for Elijah, who when God came to Take Him, He Again Did What Has Never Been Done "A Chariot of Fire Picked him Up".
AND THEN TO CLOSE ALL THESE PERFORMANCES THE LORD HIMSELF, CAME DOWN AND DID ALL THAT HE DID, AND THEN, WITH HIS OWN WILL, AND BY HIS OWN VOLITION, TOOK HIMSELF UP (ASCENDED), BY HIMSELF AND DID NOT REQUIRE ANYTHING TO TAKE HIM!
ALL GLORY AND HONOUR AND STRENGTH AND WISDOM BELONGS TO THE LORD FOREVER, FOR INDEED, ALL POWER IS IN HIS HANDS!
You are one helluva the extremest times the extremest, opposite of a class act. Smh
Dtruthspeaker: There is only one Heaven That Has Been Given To Us, to wit- The Conjoined Twin of the Earth!
"Seeing then that we have a great High Priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession." - Hebrews 4:14
Should I provide you with more scripture, other than that Hebrews 4:14 above, showing the plurality of heaven, huh?
Dtruthspeaker: All "Sleep" Except Those Who have been Sentenced to Hell/The Deep.
What is the reason why the phrase "sleep" for the. What is the rationale that qualifies all dead people to be described as to be "sleep"?
Dtruthspeaker: The Righteous go to the Place of Sleeping (Ask Samuel) the Unrighteous Go to hell (Ask Korah and Co)
What is/are the specific names called where "The Righteous go to the Place of Sleeping (Ask Samuel)" sic is and hat is/are the specific names called where "the Unrighteous Go to hell (Ask Korah and Co)" sic, is/are? Where specifically naming, is Samuel and where is Korah?
Dtruthspeaker: I answered this up there without knowing that this was coming.
You answered it clearly not knowing anything at all what I attempted to talk about.
Will you just please now give an answer to: What separates the righteous dead and unrighteous dead in the land of the dead, lmso. Thank you
Dtruthspeaker: The Righteous Sleep, the Unrighteous Torment in hell!
In Yahshua Ha Mashiach, aka Jesus Christ' the parable of the rich man and Lazarus, was Lazarus in a blissful state of sleep, hmm, smh?
Dtruthspeaker: [s] The Question I have been waiting for, ENOCH IS IN ANY TERRITORY OR PLACE THAT IS WITHIN THE KINGDOM OF GOD. Or let me put it in another way, Enoch is in Any place which Belongs To God.
Proof! The Earth is God's Foot Stool, So Imagine How BIG, The House The Foot Stool Must Be to Contain it. (Praises Be Ti God That we All know How "big" a foot stool is in proportion to a House)
Then Imagine The Places and Lands That God Could Possibly Own.
Yes, Inside One of Those Lands and Places, You Will Find Enoch There!
ADDENDUM! This is Also Where You Appreciate The Gravity of In "My Father's House, There are Many Mansions"[/s]
Instead of dodging, ducking and diving, could you gently and calmly, just now answer the question I asked you please, that: What is/are the name(s) of the place Enoch currently is right now? Thank you
The question you all have failed to ask is "Taken to Where?" ... Not heaven of course!
It is MuttleyLaff to you and not Muttley, lmso
Flip to page zero or is it one sef, then post #12 to read my first submission
"... As I've previously said, on top, why not begin to wonder, why was Elijah translated, why was Enoch, as well, earlier translated too. What were both of them being protected from that God caused them to be translated. The answers to these questions, are there, right in the bible why Enoch and Elijah died just like every other human beings dies. They never ascended to any incorporeal heaven, they got in the air, teleported to another place of earth for their own safety and protection...." - Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by MuttleyLaff: 8:15am On Aug 23, 2019
Why didnt you attempt the four easy, simple, harmless, innocent, straightforward questions? Oya I dare you to give your responses to them
Dtruthspeaker: ...Heaven and earth are conjoined twins and I have said it here that heaven means 'Spirit" and Unseen. Earth means "Physical" and the things that are Seen.
No one has taken himself up with his body to heaven, Only The Lord. And Remember, Where does God and The Lord stay or rather where can you always find them?
Certainly not in Lekki or Asokoro or in Camp or Bishop's house on earth BUT in Heaven! No one has taken himself up with his body to heaven, Only The Lord. And Remember, Where does God and The Lord stay or rather where can you always find them?
Certainly not in Lekki or Asokoro or in Camp or Bishop's house on earth BUT in Heaven!
1/ How many heavens that at least exists correlated by scripture do you know?. Whats their number? 2/ Where according to your understanding do dead people end? 3/ What is the common name of the place where both righteous and unrighteous dead people end up at? 4/ What separates the righteous dead and unrighteous dead in the land of the dead, lmso? 5/ What is/are the name(s) of the place Enoch currently is right now?
petra1: Hebrews 11:5 It was by faith that Enoch was taken up to heaven without dying—“he disappeared, because God took him.” For before he was taken up, he was known as a person who pleased God
"By faith Enoch was taken upso that he would not see death; and he was not found because god took him up; for he obtained the witness that before his being taken up he was pleasing to God." - Hebrews 11:5
"And no man has gone up to Heaven except He who went down from Heaven: The Son of Man - He who is in Heaven. (i.e. No one has ascended into heaven, but He who descended from heaven: the Son of Man" - John 3:13
petra1, have you at all 2 Timothy 2:15 considered the following: 1/ What particular death in Hebrews 11:5 is being referred to that Enoch did not die from? 2/ How do you harmonise and interpret, the polysemous phrase, lmso, "taken away" in:
"Enoch walked with God, and then he was no more, because God had taken him away". - Genesis 5:24
with
"The righteous man perishes, (i.e. dies) and no man takes it to heart; And devout men are taken away, while no one understands. For the righteous man is taken away from evil" - Isaiah 57:1
3/ What interesting and noteworthy evil, to come, was Enoch in Genesis 5:24, taken away from? (i.e. What evil to come was it, that caused him to prematurely die so as not for him to partake in it or experience that unarguable evil to come, lmso)
4/ How do you harmonise and interpret, Genesis 5:24 and Hebrews 11:5 in conjunction with John 3:13 above, and without running the risk of scripture sounding contradictory or looking at variance with each other, lmso, hmm? cc: Darnley, MaxInDHouse, Blabbermouth, Dtruthspeaker, johnw47,
donnie: That's a lie. He was a FULL COMPLETE NEGRO. The children of Israel were black/negroes and not that mixed race you see now in the so-called land of Israel.
Most of the original inhabitants of those lands migrated into the continent of Africa from where they were dispersed to the four corners of the earth. Most of the population below the Sahara are ancient Isrealites.
Those in the so-called land of Israel now are European impostors from Russia, Ukraine, Germany, Polland.
[img]https://s5/images/ezgif-2-bb81ab7ea10d.gif[/img] Pot calling kettles black Identity thief confused dot com impostor pretending to be someone else calling others land robber impostors, lmso cc OkCornel nsiba
[img]https://s5/images/ezgif-2-bb81ab7ea10d.gif[/img] You've just woken up to that, lmso OK, let's have the verse with your "... Including Riches, On Earth ..." claim. Type the verse here, lmso
"Then Jesus told His disciples a parable to show them that they should always pray and not give up. (i.e. And He was speaking to them a parable about the way it behooves them always to pray and not to lose heart Then Jesus told His disciples a parable to teach them that they should always pray and never become discouraged Jesus used this illustration with His disciples to show them that they need to pray all the time and never give up.)" - Luke 18:1
Image123: The needlessly combative kobokoman has already reported for duty even before i post anything. You will be alright later later.
Image123: Lol, "God bless you" is not a prayer. Prof. maja says it is just a form of pacifying, and that he never included God in "God bless you" This is early morning my friend, remove the strong wine far from thee.
petra1: He was the first man to be raptured alive to heaven. He sis not die
Hebrews 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
Hebrews 11:5 Because of faith Enoch was caught up and transferred to heaven, so that he did not have a glimpse of death; and he was not found, because God had translated him. For even before he was taken to heaven, he received testimony [still on record] that he had pleased and been satisfactory to God
Na dem, na dem, saying "He sis not die" sic, meaning he did not die. Smh sigh
First man to be raptured alive to heaven. He sis not die, kọ. First man to be ruptured alive to heaven. He sis not die, ni
Darnley: In Genesis 5:22-24, the bible say "And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.
This statement has been misinterpreted to mean that Enoch did not died and was taken to heaven. But looking at the description of those who we believe died from verse 3 to 20 you will notice this expression "all his days" and it means that the person lived for that length of time only" and he died."
The same was said of Enoch in verse 23 to mean Enoch died after he lived for 365years. Also, the phrase "he was not" mean to say he died.
then Matt.2:17-18 Bible say, "Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremy the prophet, saying, In Rama was there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children, and would not be comforted, because they are not".
The verses above speak of the infants that were killed by the order of king Herod in a way to kill Jesus. The scripture say, they are not meaning they died. How then do people say, Enoch did not die. Reading Hebrew 11:1-13 you will find out that from Abel vs4 to Sarah vs12 of the genealogy of faith die as stated in verse 13. Enoch is inclusive. Bible also say Enoch was translated,but what does translated mean
The original Greek word for "translate" is metatithemi. According to Arndt-Gingrich's Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament, 1969 edition, the primary meaning is to "convey to another place . . . transfer" (p. 514).
The same Greek word is rendered "carried over" in Acts 7:16. Here we read that after Jacob died his body was "carried over"—transported, translated—to Sychem where he was buried! That's what your Bible says! Jacob was transported or translated to the place of burial!
The Greek word for "carried over" in Acts7:16 is the same Greek word for "translate" in Heb.11:5 I.e G3346 That is why Moses said that God took Enoch. God removed—translated—him so that he was not found. God took Enoch and buried him,just as He did to Moses.
Some believe, he was taken to heaven, but Jesus said, in Joh 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
Nairaland,I need your opinion for or against
MuttleyLaff: You're your own distraction, you are the one distracting from what the bible says
I wish you take to this advice and let the bible speak, and speak, just by itself, without you putting words into Bible mouth.
As I've previously said, on top, why not begin to wonder, why was Elijah translated, why was Enoch, as well, earlier translated too. What were both of them being protected from that God caused them to be translated. The answers to these questions, are there, right in the bible why. Enoch and Elijah died just like every other human beings dies. They never ascended to any incorporeal heaven, they got in the air, teleported to another place of earth for their own safety and protection.
The bible says, Elijah went up by a whirlwind, it didnt say, Elijah went up by any a chariot of any kind. The chariot of fire drawn by horses of fire, was there, present to prevent Elisha from obstructing Elijah from leaving, not for use by Elijah, for going up in air to anywhere, as if, into heaven.
Ask King Jehoram about that, because he received a letter from Elijah, after Elijah made that ascension into air. I am sure you arent aware of this fact
That is what the bible says. Go argue with the bible. You just like being argumentative, just for argument sake.
When I am not knowledgeable in a subject and not well informed in it, I keep quiet, but you, oh no you dont, you take pride and delight, in arguing with preconceived opinions and ignoring stark nakêd truth and facts of the subject matter.
I already has told the chariot of fire was not in use for any purpose of catching him up in air, the purpose for catching him up in air, was done by the whirlwind, same and similar way those 300lbs portable public toilets in above video clip were carried in the air. Imagine if it was a tornardo, those human beings crounching on the ground would have been lifted too
Elijah was carried away, the same way Philip in Acts 8:39-40, was carried away to another location not for the eunuch to see him no more again
Truvel: Lol, Only Read Matt 19:27. U Should Read Down. After Peter Told Jesus & Asked Jesus Abt Their Reward. What Was Jesus Reply To Him? Jesus To Told Peter Dat Dey Would Recieve 10folds Of It, Including Riches, On Earth & In Heaven. How U Now Saying Dat What Jesus Said Didn't Come To Pass In Their Life?
fanenene: If God gave us all we need for Godly life through the death and resurrection of jesus why was Peter or Paul not rich? Philippians 4:19 and 2 Conrithians 8:9
CAN I GET AN ANSWER.
MuttleyLaff: "Instead, store up riches for yourselves in heaven, where moths and rust cannot destroy, and robbers cannot break in and steal." - Matthew 6:20
"Sell your material possessions, and give the money to the poor. Make yourselves wallets that don't wear out! Make a treasure for yourselves in heaven that never loses its value! In heaven thieves and moths can't get close enough to destroy your treasure." - Luke 12:33
To be rich in worldly and/or perishable possessions, weren't priority for Peter, Paul and the apostles in bible days nor their focus, is your answer, lmso. I would have also quoted or provided Matthew 19:21, Mark 10:21 and/or Luke 18:22, but they actually, are a particular person specific
If you read Luke 12:33 contextually, you'll notice that it fits together with Philippians 4:19. As for 2 Corinthians 8:9, this is a naked truth nah
Truvel, please print here the bible verse that supports your claim that "Jesus To Told Peter Dat Dey Would Recieve 10folds Of It, Including Riches, On Earth & In Heaven" sic.
Thank you in advance for printing the bible verse(s), so we can use it to check the veracity of your claim. At least by this we can see if your "Jesus To Told Peter Dat Dey Would Recieve 10folds Of It, Including Riches, On Earth & In Heaven" sic is authentic or spurious, lmso
vybzkartel: THE LORD JESUS CHRIST IS YHWH OF THE OLD TESTAMENT!
Isaiah 45:22-23 [22]“Look to Me, and be saved, All you ends of the earth! For I am God, and there is no other. [23] I have sworn by Myself; The word has gone out of My mouth in righteousness, And shall not return, That to Me every knee shall bow, Every tongue shall take an oath.
Philippians 2:9-10 [9]Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, [10]that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth,
Jesus Christ is YHWH, the Lord God Almighty.
Halleluyah
"But what about you?” Jesus asked. “Who do you say I AM?” Peter answered, “You are the Christ.”" - Mark 8:29
"2Now Judas also, who was betraying Him, knew the place, for Jesus had often met there with His disciples. 3Judas then, having received the Roman cohort and officers from the chief priests and the Pharisees, came there with lanterns and torches and weapons. 4So Jesus, knowing all the things that were coming upon Him, went forth and said to them, “Whom do you seek?” 5They answered Him, “Jesus the Nazarene.” He said to them, “I AMHe.” And Judas also, who was betraying Him, was standing with them. 6So when He said to them, “I AMHe,” they drew back and fell to the ground." - John 18:2-6
See Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ, at Mark 8:2, dropping subtle hints and leaving telltale signs that He is YHWH, lmso.
The striking, absolute and overwhelming power of the pronouncing "I AM" (i.e. ehyeh, from Ehyeh Asher-Ehyeh, I AM that I AM aka YHWH) at John 18:5-6, caught them by surprise, that the extent of the effect of "I AM," made them go backward and yakata fall to the ground. Praise God. Alleluia.
petra1: ...They also had their mandate from christ. For example none of them was ordained to die natural death. That doesnt mean same thing must apply to everyone else. Every man should stay in his assignment
Sure, we already know that some bible verses/text are person specific
Truvel: They Were Rich. Why? They Didn't Lack Anything. Jesus Himself Asked Them? Lackest Thou Anything? They Said No. So, It's Obvious That They Were Rich & Even According To D Book Of Acts, People Brought Money At Their Feet, Some Even Sold Their Lands Or Properties & Brought D Money At Their Feet It Out Too. They Had More Than Enough. The Were Also Favoured By People. God Gave Them Favour. Read Acts Chater4 & 5.
fanenene: They were not rich. If you check the Bible in Philippians 4:15-17 GNT it says. You Philippians know very well that when I left Macedonia in the early days of preaching the Good News, *_you were the only church to help me_* ; you were the only ones who shared my profits and losses. *_More than once when I needed help in Thessalonica,* you sent it to me._ It is not that I just want to receive gifts; rather, I want to see profit added to your account. So Paul admitted that he needed help. Have u seen a rich man needing help from people? Most of our rich pastors today don't need your help.they have more than enough because they have unlocked the riches Jesus made available to christain's. instead the say you should give to the furtherance of the gospel
"Peter replied, "Remember, we have left everything to be your followers! What will we get?" (i.e. “We’ve given up everything to follow you. What will we get?” Look, we've given up everything to follow you. What will we get out of it?) " - Matthew 19:27
Somebody please pass this my person, fanenene, this chilled bottle of orijin. Plus send him/her a truckload of kolanuts as well and after that, consider him/her sharp sharp, next governor in waiting of his/her state of origin.
Right on point on all accounts. Wehdone Sir/Ma'am! Please drink responsibly though.
CodeTemplar: Satanic people. He wedded two men and knows they have a zero chance of reproducing thereby endangering the human specie but gave animals right under the pretext of endangerment. The start of the end times indeed.
1/ How exactly would those two men have zero chance of reproducing? 2/ How exactly would those two men endanger the human species?
"17... Do you have such hard hearts? 18‘Having eyes, do you not see? And having ears, do you not hear?’ ..." - Mark 8:17a-18b
This is why I speak to them this way. They see, but they're blind. They hear, but they don't listen. They don't even try to understand. (i.e. For they look, but they don’t really see. They hear, but they don’t really listen or understand)" - Mark 13:13
As the scripture says, "God made their minds and hearts dull; to this very day they cannot see or hear."" - Romans 11:8
"Hear now this, foolish people, and without understanding; who have eyes, and do not see; who have ears, and do not hear:" - Jeremiah 5:21
"All of them have stubborn minds! They refuse to listen; they cover their eyes. They cannot see or hear or understand. If they could, they would turn to me, and I would heal them." - Matthew 13:15
OR
"For the heart of this people has become dense, and they have hardly heard with their ears and their eyes they have shut, lest they would see with their eyes and they would hear with their ears and they would understand in their hearts and they would be converted and I would heal them.'" - Matthew 13:15
OR
"because their minds are dull, and they have stopped up their ears and have closed their eyes. Otherwise, their eyes would see, their ears would hear, their minds would understand, and they would turn to me, says God, and I would heal them" - Matthew 13:15
Janosky, I feel your cerebral struggle, mental challenge, frustration and wailing "sifia pains" Pẹẹlẹ, ndo.
fanenene: If God gave us all we need for Godly life through the death and resurrection of jesus why was Peter or Paul not rich? Philippians 4:19 and 2 Conrithians 8:9
CAN I GET AN ANSWER.
"Instead, store up riches for yourselves in heaven, where moths and rust cannot destroy, and robbers cannot break in and steal." - Matthew 6:20
"Sell your material possessions, and give the money to the poor. Make yourselves wallets that don't wear out! Make a treasure for yourselves in heaven that never loses its value! In heaven thieves and moths can't get close enough to destroy your treasure." - Luke 12:33
To be rich in worldly and/or perishable possessions, weren't priority for Peter, Paul and the apostles in bible days nor their focus, is your answer, lmso. I would have also quoted or provided Matthew 19:21, Mark 10:21 and/or Luke 18:22, but they actually, are a particular person specific
If you read Luke 12:33 contextually, you'll notice that it fits together with Philippians 4:19. As for 2 Corinthians 8:9, this is a naked truth nah
"I tell you the truth, of all who have ever lived, none is greater than John the Baptist. Yet even the least person in the Kingdom of Heaven is greater than he is!" - Matthew 11:11
I bet GB, never gave JW sheepfold sheeple the lowdown on Matthew 11:11. What a big time betrayal and travesty of 2 Timothy 2:15 this is, smh, tut, tut tut, sighs.
Why not fill your boots with the snapshot post, reproduced below, brought from another thread, shedding light on Matthew 11:11 and info the GB muted, hushed and didnt let you see the light of. lmso
MuttleyLaff: ... I am now cycling back a bit as I've got the sense that possibly due to me not giving explanations and/or biblical hermeneutics on Exodus 6:3, Matthew 6:9, Luke 7:28 and Matthew 11:11, the four verses referenced above, you likely was quite blasé about them, so here is the big deal about them.
As for Exodus 6:3, compared with the patriarchs, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, you are in a privileged and peculiar standing with God. The patriarchs, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, only knew God as El-Shaddai or God Almighty, God was revealed to them only, as an Influential Being having complete power but not as God reveals to us that His name is Yahweh and Him being "I AM that I AM" which He demonstrated to the Israelites throughout the liberation and journey to the Promised Land. The privilege and peculiarity, you have, as being a daughter and/or woman of God, is that, God would be whatever is necessary for Him to be for you, just as He did, was and is for the Israelites.
As for Matthew 6:9, compared with the patriarchs, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the Israelites/Jews, the concept of endearing God and addressing God as Father, was unheard of, until Jesus came up with that enlightenment teaching intro in Matthew 6:9, that we can form a personal relationship with God, up to the point of God, being a heavenly Father, who in our lives, provides us with care and protection. This is a given.
As for Luke 7:28 and/or Matthew 11:11, compared with the old guards and the Old Covenant, as a daughter/woman of God, you are because of the New Covenant, even if you're the least in the Kingdom of God, you are greater than the old guard, John the Baptist. I know it looks oxymoronic, but it is true that as a daughter/woman of God and of the New Covenant, you are a peculiar human being, you are a peculiar human being with a big God.
Janosky: Vintage dishonesty from Blabbermouth. Matthew 16:27 For the Son of Man will come in His Father's glory with His angels[/b], and then He will repay each one according to what he has done.
Matthew 24:31 [I]And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, [/b]and they will gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.[/i]
Matthew 25:31 When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, He will sit on His glorious throne.
1 Corinthians 15:23 But each in his own turn: Christ the firstfruits; then at His coming, those who belong to Him.[/I]
1 Thessalonians 1:10 [i]and to await His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead--Jesus our deliverer from the coming wrath.
2 Thessalonians 1:7 and to grant relief to you who are oppressed and to us as well, when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels
In his glorified state, he would still lead angels to perform the task of the archangel. Don't forget that.
It's like saying that a Medical Doctor will not perform surgery again because he is elevated to a Consultant.
1 Thess 4:16 New Living Translation For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, the believers who have died will rise from their graves.
Compare John 5:25 Very truly I tell you, a time is coming and has now come when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God and those who hear will live
Why couldn't you respond to Blabbermouth's post using the same numbered style and format he used, so it is known what you've replied to, instead of resorting to all this jumbling, no head, no tail confused dot com and proof-texting response, reeking of dishonesty, rascality and insincerity, hmm?
Janosky: Matthew 7:21-23 21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’"
"I" (Jesus) says He is obeying the order form Above. No DECEIVE yourself
"24That is why I told you that you will die in your sins, for unless you believe that I AM, you'll die in your sins."" - John 8:24
"32But Jesus responded, “I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone Me?” 33“We are not stoning You for any good work, said the Jews, “but for blasphemy, because You, who are a man, declare Yourself to be God." - John 10:32-33
Janosky, customer mi, daada ni, need I go on? Need I say more?
I'll you what for free, lmso. Your stumbling block is not grasping at all the meaning and/or implication of the Greek word , lmso, "exercomai" (i.e. come (forth, out), depart (out of), escape, get out, go (abroad, away, forth, out, thence), proceed (forth), to go or come forth of, with mention of the place out of which one goes, or the point from which one departs)
Dont worry Janosky, you'll sooner or later, drop those stones in your hand, lmso, when you realise that Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ, had always revealed Himself God, lmso
Blabbermouth: I hope you realized you did not make a point. I'm in my joker mood tonight, so we won't discuss the matter today. Now you see, you still don't understand 1. what/who the NEW MAN is 2. The old man is lesser than an angel but the new man (in his glory) is higher than every angel - that includes angel Michael. 3. 1 Thesis 4:16, the archangel's voice was not associated with the ressuection of the dead. There is something I will show you. 4. Do you know why Jesus intentionally said - Flesh and bones? No, if you do, you will understand that the new man's body is not like the old man's. 5. All I've said will never sink because you belong to a group that has put a slave chain on your neck and brainwashed you to eat whatever it feeds you. To be honest, the GB is your God, not Jehovah
These are thunderous five uppercuts gone in there, lmso. Now imagine Haddeylium trying to get up from the canvas and beat the ten sec count, after them mean barrages of five right hand hooks, lmso
Blabbermouth: If I'm inspired to, I will address your response well and elaborate on the above points - however, I'm discouraged, as you are restrained from ever grasping this. If you do publicly, your JW brothers will disfellowship you. That's a big blow, we would have converged in truth already.
Oh dear. "disfellowship" kẹ?
Blabbermouth: PS: Don't mind my aggressive tone and intense words when we discussed yesterday - it was needed to drive home the truth.
Goodnight Haddey.
Oh, that " ... aggressive tone and intense words when we discussed yesterday - it was needed to drive home the truth" is what's in the house, is called the utilisation of "tough love" approach nah, lmso
achorladey: If the Jesus could say "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son so that anyone exercising faith in him might be destroyed but have everlasting life" John 3:16
what you need is ANYONE in that same anyone carries ALL NONE JWS
I know you can see the little my eyes can see
Definitely there must be a way to IDENTIFY the group practicing what Jesus taught back then, no matter how Satan tries to complicate issues!
Distraction mode into what was asked
we did many things in your name" then[b] I will[/b] say to them "I never knew you, depart from me you workers of iniquity
Answer me the Max that has EYES and EARS who is the I in Matthew 7: 21-23
I really appreciate the way we discussed at length on the issue of spirit, though we may not agree on so many things, it's important we know that there is freedom of expression, speech and worship. So there's no need forcing our beliefs on others, it's best to tell our neighbours what we believe regarding their disposition towards our FAITH. Jehovah our God will destroy all none JWs when he comes to judge the world, but that doesn't mean we must start treating people badly, the choice is left to them. If they feel the need to join us in the worship of our God we'll tell them the benefit and if they choose not to we'll tell them why we keep going out all the time to sound the warning. But that doesn't mean we should be hostile towards our fellow man, it's just things having to do with sacred services that will not bring us together, as for all other things, we can share as neighbours. So i really appreciate the way and manner we had this discussion, of course you may object to many of our beliefs just as we also do towards yours but let's just conclude that everyone has what appeals to them, Jehovah's Witnesses finds pleasure in the same line of thought with our fellow believers. That's what brought us together as a global family, anyone who despises oneness in thought can never be or fancy JWs! God bless you!
Blabbermouth: Blessed art thou shadeyinka, men did not reveal this to you but the wisdom of God.
Another one! Oh, you deserve a bottle of Odeku.
They've made it unfruitful, you should have taken it up for essence, not just to listen to them.
MuttleyLaff: I think Vanna Bonta RIP, is her name, who said: "The body knows no pain, not like the soul. At least a nerve has limits, a body part, a name. But the soul... the soul... There is no bandage ..."
I can imagine how much Eve must have felt in her soul, and intensely she grieved, after she instantaneously spiritually died and then she realised that she and Adam have lost their glorified body, that on top on fallen from grace to grass, they are now vulnerably nakedly to the harsh, hostile, fierce and ravaging elements of nature without so much of any measurable protection.
I can imagine her nostalgia for Eden, its perks and benefits, lost, but then this her feeling of intense sorrow was told her, will worsen, get worse, as in meaning the sorrow will increase. The redeeming grace of God in all this, 4000 years later after that garden of Eden ignominy event, is that the glorified body, the spiritual death, that A&E died in the garden of Eden, is what God with the intervention of Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ archetypically came on earth for to resurrect. Praise God! Alleluia!!
Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ is the first born from the spiritually dead. For, as in Adam, all die, so also in Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ, shall all be made alive. But there is an order to this resurrection: The Mashiach/Messiah was raised as the first of the harvest; then all who belong to the Mashiach/Messiahwill be spiritually raised with glorified bodieswhen He comes back (i.e. 1 Corinthians 15:22-23)
People keep mistaking spirit for soul. The two are distinct and different from each other. We are not human beings on a spiritual journey. We are souls, infused with the breath ruach of God, that makes us spiritual beings on a human journey. We are spiritual beings, having a human being experience on earth. Other spiritual beings, like celestial beings or extra terrestrial beings aka angelic hosts of heaven, do not have privilege of having a human being experience on earth, like we do or like how Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ for 331/2 years on earth did, lmso.
"And you should not be afraid of those killing the body but not being able to kill the soul. Indeed rather you should fear the One being able to destroy bothsoul and body in Gehenna." - Matthew 10:28
Your soul is you. Your soul is also the most important part of you, worthy enough to be sought after by the devil and worthy enough for God to die for, in place of you.
The spirit of God instilled/ breathed in you, comes and goes back to God after death. Your spirit, is your conduit that connects and/or tunes you, in with the Spirit, which God is. You see, the life of the soul is in the spirit, just as the life of body, is in the blood. It is the soul, and not the spirit, that is going to be destroyed.
That word "Gehenna" in Matthew 10:28 as seen above, is used as a symbolic designation for the final place of punishment of the ungodly. What's Gehenna sef? Well it is a valley, a valley in Jerusalem, used as a dumping refuse or rubbish site and so was used by Jesus to depict the Lake of Fire (i.e. it is a place of destruction, as in, via incineration, a place for destroying things, just as Gehenna was the incinerating refuse dump in Jerusalem)
Your human body is an earth suit, when you snuff it, the spirit returns back to its Owner but your soul goes to rest and a waiting place, pending the day of judgment when you will come forward to give account for every careless word spoken, you'll have to explain the reason(s) for your every word, thought and deed. For the spirit breathed into man goes back to God after death, the soul however goes a place to await judgement at the appointed time. On that day, during that time, by your words, you will be acquitted, and by your words, you will be condemned, lmso. May God have mercy on hardened souls, lmso. These simples, should be enough for now, lmso.
PS: Regarding MightySparrow "How is glorious body different from those of spirits? Luke 24:39, are spirits entities also?" question MightySparrow, in the beginning, A&E, the first circa 6000 years ago terrestrial beings, unlike other spiritual beings like the celestial beings or extra terrestrial beings aka angelic hosts of heaven, had glorified bodies.
Spirits are incorporeal entities, however, spirits, just as the Luke 24:39 you quoted MightySparrow above, provided/provides clear evidence that spirits, don't have flesh and bones, lmso. I am sensing saying too much and running the risk of causing information overload, so will pause here
My emphasis really is on the fact that, the body knows no pain, not like the soul does. Eve, the mother of every living person (i.e. Genesis 3:20) is the first person, first human being, to give evidence of this, lmso.
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah Witness Teaches That God Stole The Body Of Jesus by MuttleyLaff: 2:37am On Oct 10, 2020*. Modified: 6:27am On Oct 10, 2020
