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Charmingrascal:
Sometimes it is better to run for your life, it is called "tactical withdrawal".

The security personnel knew that the gunmen were well armed and they outnumbered them, best thing they should have done was to tactically withdraw instead of trying to repel them.

Uzodinma country home was empty, no occupants so what were they defending.
They wanted to defend a building built with tax payers money.
Police headquarters was attacked and Police couldn't repel the attack what made just two security personnel think they were capable of repelling an attack that the Police couldn't repel at their own headquarters?

They were not wise

Why attack an empty house??

Who is not wise now?

hoopernikao:
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You are a comedian. Kobo deliver this generation?
Your Waka around to many churches is still telling on you with your statement above. Looking around for revelation and prophecies.


Please, Lets talk the real issue jor.

I asked you key questions you jumped them.
A key question is this.

All those God used had their own congregation, their own people, a church, a gathering, a leadership. Where is your own and Kobojunkie own, those you lead or lead you, your gathering.
Is this hard to understand.

I agreed kobo is the Moses of our time and you are the Aaron, but where are your people, the one you lead, the one you gather. Don't they exist.

You want God to send you to people you never gathered, people you never knew how they met God, people you never cared for more than to drop argument in nairaland? That's the one God can send you to? No work but stories and arguments? Is this how to be sent to gods people?

It's easy to go after another man's labor and destroy in the name of, God sent me, than to labor and build your own people of God or help others to build.

Las Las Bro, it's all about a rebellious heart.

Trace your step back, go settle down in one of the God's family called church, and grow, and be better, and be used of God. You and kobo should cease from yielding to self-centeredness, it destroys.

Was this not how the Pharisees doubted Jesus cos he was just an ordinary guy who wasn't even part of them?
O ye of little faith.

Study your Bible, Jesus and Moses were not of any religious gatherings. They were taught directly by God before they later formed their gathering.

The point being, gathering is necessary but they could also be exceptions especially for pioneers.

Any way, I'm not in the position to judge Kobojunkie, I'll leave that to you, since you're the expert on judging others.

IamNumeroUno:
I created this thread out of my reservations towards some Nairaland monikers that I consider to be too obnoxious, excessive generalizations of comments and stray too far from topics.

These people are overtly overzealous and sometimes, too emotional in their comments, whether for or against the government of the day in the politics section.

Generally, in the politics section, which I consider the most popular on Nairaland, there are three categories of users:

1. The Wailers or Ipobs or PDP or ESN supporters: This group is considered to be in constant opposition of the government of the day. For instance, if there is a report that a man beat his pregnant wife in let's say, Okigwe, they would find a way to link it to Buhari and blame Buhari. They just derive pleasure in blaming the government for everything, I mean everything that happens in Nigeria. I hail una o.

2. The BMC or Zombies or Afonja or Yoruba Muslim or Aboki: This group considers itself the elite members and feel very untouchable. They would provoke you to a fight and be the first to call Mynd44 or Seun and report you. They support the government of the day, regardless of how wrong the situation is. Take for instance, if the Army brutalised their own sibling in Ilesha, they would ask why their sibling would dare stand in the way of the Military, "don't you know that the army has the right to level anybody that threatens the sovereignty of Nigeria"?

3. The Unstable users or the middle ones or the undecided: These ones do not know where they belong. They are easily swayed by the aforementioned 'super men' above.

In all these, each of these users have that particular moniker that annoys you.

Personally, I Never read comments from and Racoon.
Funny enough, they each belong to opposing sides of the divide. They are passionate about their support for what they believe but I consider them too passionate. The most annoying part of it is that, they would bring screenshots from other news articles of ten years ago to prove their points. Anytime I see their comments, I scroll past without wasting time to read.

Worthy mentions include: Righteousness89.

Who is that Nairaland user you would block from seeing his/her comments if you could?

Everyone on Religion section can agree that Maxindhouse is a pest. Ban is an understatement.

Righteousness2 is next because he has nothing positive to share except dooms day messages.

OmovuduTheBeast:
VERY USELESS PEOPLE

Lol why do igbos hate yorubas so much lately though?

hoopernikao:
You must be a very good dancer in the natural.

You seems not to be good with reading. The argument here is about individual identifying with a gathering either as the authority or surbodinate.

- Moses was the head of the Jews, the authority, the pastor or his days had his members (a people of Moses together, he identified with a gathering). This is the focus of discussion. The church was submitted to Moses as Moses, God. Hence Moses was identify with a church. He has a people, a gathering.

- Jesus did the same, he had his gathering, he fellowship and identify with them, His church was not the Jews but his disciples.
Jesus and Moses were the peak of the authority of their assembly, hence they submitted to God yet has a gathering they identify and fellowship with.

Now
Since, you seems to be the Moses and Jesus of our time, the peak of the authority, kindly, ascertain here that you have your own gathering that meet you, submit to your authority as you submit to God as we saw in Moses and Jesus. God's mind is for his people to gather. Moses fulfilled this, Jesus did. What about you?

So answer
1. Do you identify with a church? where is your gathering, the ones submitted to you, (since you are Moses). The ones you gather with?

This is the main discussion, answer it and cease from rebellion.

I'm not dancing neither am I illiterate.
I just pointed you to 2 different examples that did not follow the norm.

Who are you to determine who God has set on a leadership path?
If Kobojunkie is to deliver this generation from the avalanche of fake churches and fake pastors that abound, who are you to determine that?

If only you had any spiritual gifts, by now you should have a spiritual revelation concerning him, and not keep judging him like the Pharisees judged Jesus till they had him crucified.

Well said.

jesusjnr2020:
One thing I love about Master Jesus is that He doesn't have mercy on the devil. He leaves no room for the enemy to exploit. So there's nothing like "shall we continue in sin that grace may abound" because He killed off that possibility from the onset, by making it very clear that without righteousness you would perish!

So if anyone choose continues in sin, he wouldn't have any excuses of grace or something else to justify himself, because Jesus has made it very clear that if you don't repent, you shall perish!

That's my Master for you!

The perfect Master!

That's who I want to emulate.

God bless.

If it were up to you I'm sure by now you'd have made all sinners perish, right?

Ironically you yourself are guilty of multiple sins. Psalm 130:3

You're either ignorant or a pathological liar if you say you do not sin. Can any man justify himself with God? Matthew 5-7 should humble you.

All anyone has is grace. Whether it is abused or not, it is grace that keeps you and I.
The most righteous people and most righteous Christians have perished just as the worst sinners too have perished.

You should be more concerned that with all your human righteousness you do not have the Holyspirit manifesting God's Power through you. You neither bear the gift nor the fruit of the spirit, yet you're busy wishing people perish when you yourself do not have the life of Christ manifesting through you.

I hope it won't be too late when you realise you're just a religious person.

Decentlaw:
Please Depression Is Killing Me.

Depression is everywhere. The difference is that it's in degrees.
Just find 1 good enough reason to keep pushing.

The good thing about life is that just a thought, change of mindset, one connection or breakthrough can make you forget all your struggles and things will look as brand as new.

Remember that the sunshine after the storm is even more beautiful.

Beckysexy:
Wow, I'm surprised she has more followers than Wizkid, Tiwa and some other celebs.
Congratulations Funke.
Don't know why I just love this lady.

Cos success is attractive and 3veryone wants to associate with a successful person.

enilove:
Bad and not of God.

How did you come to this conclusion? If I may ask.

Cos the Pharisees likewise claimed Jesus cast out demons by Belzebub. Which inspired the scripture that all sins can be forgiven except the sin against the Holyspirit.
Meaning you should probably not conclude that he is bad or not of God, except you know this by actual proof or divine revelation.

Because by their human standards, the Pharisees felt that Jesus did not act like the usual prophet and man of God.
Odumeje likewise does not act like your typical man of God. But that doesn't mean you can conclude that he's not of God.

sonmvayina:
How do you tell the difference?

The name in which the miracles are performed?

Kobojunkiee:
Not thay anyone knows of but his minions have been busy working on his deification, going as far as corrupting Christian works to include Mohammed in the stories told by Jesus Christ.

Read the so-called Gospel of Barnabas, a work heavily edited by Muslim clerics to put their Angel Gabriel and Mohammed above the Spirit of God and the person of Jesus Christ.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0Qfx8dX9TCvYjI4YzVjZWYtNDAzMS00ZDc3LWFiZDItOGFhNGYxZTQ4OTQ3/view?hl=en

Thanks for sharing. I'll give you a feedback after reading.

RightChannel:
Yes, Many Miracles In The Life Of Little Girl Aishat

Just like his followers are performing in the lives of the poor Chibok girls and their other captives.

sonmvayina:
Performing miracles or magic, is not a sign of anything. God even warned his people not to give those chalatans any breathing space. ..

Deuteronomy 30..

Moses told God that the israelites won't believe him unless they saw signs. Which was why God performed miracles through him.

Jesus like wise said the people won't believe unless they saw signs, and he also performed miracles.

So the part of miracles and signs cannot be denied just because there are some magicians and charlatans too.

Yellowtree:
No he did not. He forgot to

Heard he did.

ItsGoodToBeGood:
Is 72 virgins after death not a miracle?

Lol promise of virgins in paradise is not a miracle.

Prophets and Messengers of God are identified by the power of God working in them and through them. This power is made manifest in miracles that ordinary humans cannot perform.

Judaism thrives because Moses performed miracles.
Christianity thrives because Jesus performed miracles.

Did Muhammed perform miracles?

Biafranboys:
How do these killer fulanis travel all the way to the east to kill and escape, every man with brains should think and forget politics for now.

Is it obvious these people get serious cover from people in power, fulanis look different from Easterners and could easily be spotted now tell me how do they do it

Kill and escape

Add yours

Travelling around Nigeria, it's normal to see truckloads full of Fulanis being conveyed on a regular.

This.

Telegram234:
The rate at which Airtel drains data, it is quite alarming.
1.5GB no dey last 3 days again.
Na only WhatsApp and google chrome(naira land) I browse ooo.

The Data provider is not the issue. It's the fact that contents online lately are mostly high definition videos that zap a lot more data to download or stream.

WhatsApp videos, Instagram videos, Facebook videos, YouTube videos are the usual suspects.

Ishilove:
Humans beings can never be satisfied

Actually it's called division of labour.

Pastors are meant to heal the sick though.
If a member of the church had bought the man the wheel chair, it would have been more applaudable.

Although, kudos to the pastor cos even few pastors show such kind gesture.

Sirjamo:
Islam is the fastest growing religion in the UK, no punishment for apostasy in the UK

You forget i highlighted 3 major causes.
In England, while it might not be as a result of the fear of punishment for apostasy. It is more likely to be as a result of Christians becoming atheists. Or birth rate of more Muslims.

Ammishaddai:
The hike in food stuff should be blamed solely on the incompetence of this government .

1. Incompetence of Govt.
2. More imports than Export.
3. Cryptocurrency.
4. Terrorist actions.
5. Political propaganda.
6. Natural occurrences.

HonNL:
Egypt leads Africa in top exporter's list.

You don't even need a Bsc in Economics to know why our Naira is crashing on a constant.

The exponential increase is as a result of their birth rate, fear of punishment for apostasy and atheism.

While Christianity is suffering from a major apostasy with former Christians mostly becoming atheists.
Islam is growing as a result of the fear of the punishment for apostasy because Islam is a religion where Muslims fight for their powerless God. So apostates are mostly killed so their their fake religion isn't exposed for it's fakery.

Also the birth rate among Muslims globally is higher than Christians and most other religions. Islam not being aversed to Polygamy.

A sizeable amount of Christians have either converted to another religion, Islam or become completely irreligious (atheists). Hence with no increase in the growth of Christianity, apparently Islam takes the lead.

hoopernikao:
Secondly, I am not sure you have taken my advise of always reading your Bible well.

See all you put above there comparing to the church of Jesus. Human government.
Are you sure there is no issue anywhere? Just running everytime to prove a point from the bible. Imagine your list? Very dishonest.

- Moses against Pharaoh. You lied: Moses had his church (the Isrealite), God's institution
- Daniel and the 3 Hebrew brothers against the Babylonian authorities. You lied: Daniel had the Jews, not evident because it was a time of persecution of the Jews
- Mordecai against Haman. You lied: Mordecai had same, He reminded Esther of the group, institution she belonged. God's institution
- John the baptist against Herod. You lied: John had disciples that gather with him. He has his people, his church. God's institution
- Jesus against Jewish authorities. You lied: Jesus had same, his church, his disciples, his members. God's institution

Why always dishonest in order to prove a point, Or i should assume you are ignorant to have compared the church and God's institution to human empires and government.

Please Bro, stop embarrassing bible explanation here.

Rebellion is as witchcraft, you end up doing things irrational. The signs are already showing here Sir.

Once again you are blinded by religion.


Of course the disciples were subject to the leadership of Christ. Likewise John the baptist had disciples subject to him.

Did Moses submit to any church or Jewish authority?
Did Jesus submit to the Jewish authority? Even though he was a Jew?

My point here is concerning those whom Jesus called separately.

Kobojunkiee:
Remember what I said about God's Word is Law and God's Word being true and that no man can counter God's Word except God Himself? Also recall here that, Jesus Christ is the embodiment of the New Covenant Law of the Kingdom of God meaning His Word is Law.

So, We know that Jesus Christ, the Law, declared that it is a sin to set oneself up as a teacher over the others in His flock - this in agreement with God's decree through His prophets that He alone is Teacher over those in His flock. It then follows that anyone, including Paul and James, who does so, commits sin against God. In addition, anyone who teaches that it is ok to set oneself up as a teacher over God's flock also commits sin since that act is against the commandment which stipulates that we desist from teaching the doctrines and traditions of men.

Now as for "honoring" of Prophets, I don't see how that in any way means "prophets" are to set themselves up as teachers over self. So, you would need to explain that a bit more so I see what you see. Speaking of Prophets, did you know that in the New Covenant, the Kingdom of God, every born-again follower of Jesus Christ is a defacto prophet because God's Spirit lives inside of such, and He not only leads them but also speaks through such. So how would it work out if every born-again sets himself up as teachers over the other born-agains in the same flock?

Another example for you to consider is this. In their respective letters, Paul and John are said to have called themselves fathers over some in His Jesus Christ's flock. But we know that Jesus declared it a sin for anyone to call another man father or declare oneself father over those in His Kingdom. What this means is Paul and John are wrong by what they have done in their letters and anyone who indeed calls them "fathers" commits sin against God.
For an example of how God changes His Law, go to and read Ezekiel 18 from chapter 1. He swears by His Name and then goes into lengthy detail on what it is He is changing and how. He doesn't simply have men throw their opinions in the bucket to overwrite what He has declared.

God never made leaders for your churches which He never included in His Kingdom, to begin with. Your churches have no place in His Kingdom, as they were never part of His design for His New Covenant Law. Also, your churches are built of, and atop doctrines and traditions of men which Jesus Christ made clear were lies as far as the Truth of God is concerned. So, stop assuming them to be of God when they are not of Him.

Honestly, I don't have anything to add or delete from this.
Cos Jesus did say no one should be called Father except God which Paul and John contradicted.

But about leadership, I will still believe it is impossible to have a church without a leader or leaders stewarding for the head, Christ.

According to Ezekiel 18 which you quoted, God is against human leaders leading the church and shepherding the flock. But you have rightly also said, in the mouth of two or more witnesses is a truth established. Is there any other verse in the Bible that confirms this?

hoopernikao:
Bro,

See where your issue started from below



You are an explorer, not a serious Christian, i assumed as at then. No serious Christian have this attitude. Have you seen a member of a family exploring other families looking for perfection? What were you looking for? It is a sign of immaturity. Remember Paul (Ephe 4:13 --Toss to and Fro...).

Your exploration is what brought you to this point you are. Such attitude could only birth confusion, instability, disloyal and rebellion.
So, even after going all around the world, you still yet to find what you are looking for? It doesnt exist Sir. A big sign of immaturity is instability. You are just roaming about Sir.


My advise for you

1. Find a church, it doesnt have to be perfect, there is non as church. But find a church, that you trust and you are convinced about their mission.
We arent looking for a perfect church, you yourself arent perfect and the churches are filled with people like you: imperfect people, to be perfected by the body.

2. Learn to be loyal, stable, committed there. Dont go around them looking for error. There are many error in our natural family but we dont neglect them to go and join another family. We stay with them. Come rain, come sun. To grow together, and serve God in true heart. Stay, grow, learn, put away what you think you know, they are spare parts picked from different instability and prideful exploration.

3. If you know you are so knowledgeable to know that MOST churched are imperfect and peradventure you cant see anyone that fits your. Why not start teaching this your doctrine around, and let us see the perfect fruits you will bear. The perfect doctrine, perfect people, perfect environment. It is easy to criticize when you have nothing at hand. No one which busy with ministry, go around criticizing MOST churches. So, get to ministry and raise the perfect people as you are perfect.

I hope i am clear?

The challenge I've always had with you as always is that you have such abundance of head knowledge but no revelations.

I've told you several times that until you realise that biblically God's path for Peter was different from his path for Paul. Meaning unless you have a divine revelation concerning a person or situation, you'll be so far amiss in your understanding and judgment of that situation.

1. Now concerning finding a church- It's either you just intentionally want to prove a pointless point or you missed the part where I mentioned that i was a staunch member and worker of a local assembly.
And no, I wasn't looking for a perfect church.

2. If loyalty could be measured, certainly I was highly loyal. I'm sure I was even more loyal than you could ever be. I not only saw my local assembly as somewhere I was divinely led to be worshipping. Evangelise Christ was primary, but I also evangelised the church when necessary. I practically made all my social media accounts platforms for Evangelism.

3. Here's where your head knowledge is exposed once again. Starting to teach doctrines or starting a fellowship is not something you do because you feel like, but because you're led by the Holyspirit and it is confirmed by leaders too.

Apparently you don't see the importance of the Holyspirit in your walk as a Christian. Which is why you keep getting it all wrong. You forget that you can be ever learning scriptures without ever coming to knowledge like the Pharisees.

That said, I'm not perfect but Jesus and the Apostles did teach that we are to be perfect like God is.

While I'm not perfect, neither placing anyone on the pedestal of perfection. It is important to know that what makes a Christian perfect is the assurance of the Holyspirit. When you do have the Holyspirit and he leads you, guides you, helping you both bear his fruit and manifest his gifts, then you are already perfect, not by your works but by his seal.

Kobojunkiee:
By the way, my conviction does not lie only with the synoptic gospels. No, I believe in God and every word out of God's mouth, not just that written of in the synoptic gospels.

As I have made it known before now, the bible is not the word of God but instead a book that contains the Word of God where the Word of God refers to every declaration directly attributed to God Himself(Jesus Christ included). In the same book, you will find written the words of men, demons and even Satan... so, yes, the book is not the Word or Truth of God. Instead Jesus Christ is the Word out of God's mouth, the Truth of God who has been there from the very beginning, even Genesis and onwards.

As for the views of men expressed in every book of the bible, we are provided a law, is found in both the Old and the New Covenants(similar) referred to in some translations as the law of 2 or 3 witnesses. The basics of the law is that by the accounts of 2 or 3 witnesses shall the truth be established.

Every view. In scripture, that is not the Word of God must be subjected to the test recomended by the law of 2 or 3 witnesses.

So every view that is not directly validated by the Word or God(God's word is always True, unless God Himself changes it), cannot be assumed true until it is certified backed by the accounts of 2 or 3 scriptural witnesses. If no witnesses are found, then that view is not a truth.

And I have applied this law to my reading of Biblical and none biblical scripture, and it opens scripture up to one in a different light.

So, I read all scripture but I know that not all that is written in scripture is True and hence not all scripture is the Word of God or holy. Only that which is of God is Holy and only that which comes from the mouth of God is True. The views/opinions of men written in scripture however are not true by default as they must be weighed first against the Word of God, and then considered against the testimonies of other witnesses in the case, that no match is found.

Ok good to know.
In that case, you should agree with the concept of leadership in the church.

James 3. Speaks about the place of Teachers.
Jesus speaks about honoring prophets.
Paul speaks about the 5 fold ministry.

Then you should agree that God made some leaders in the church.

Kobojunkiee:
God is God of Laws, and Jesus Christ is God's New Covenant Law of the Kingdom of God. Jesus Christ is God's "human avatar" whom He, God, used in bringing to bring His New agreement to the Lost sheep of Israel, and the Nation of the world.
Jesus Christ is Master over all those who are followers of the New Covenant which is He.
What Jesus Christ told Peter to do on that day was the same thing He commanded all of those who will enter into His Kingdom to do, if they want to enter into the Kingdom of Heaven in the end. In Matthew, Jesus Christ provides details on the works that those who will enter into His Kingdom will do... In case you missed it;

Feed my sheep
- give them food when they are hungry
- give them a drink when they are thirsty
Take Care of my sheep
- when they are homeless, home them
- when they are naked, clothe them
- when they are sick, care for them
- when they are in prison, visit them.

Every one of His followers, under the influence of the Spirit of God, is led by Him to the doing of works of righteousness -the Will of God.
Sure, always!

I must beg to disagree with your interpretation of Feeding his sheep.

It was a specific instruction to Peter while other Apostles were seated together with him and Jesus Christ.

If you followed their relationship, Jesus was always grooming Peter to lead.
Jesus loved John above all yet he chose Peter to lead after him.

You do remember his declaration to Peter upon his revelation that Jesus is the Messiah?

Matthew 16:18-19
And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.
And I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”

Kobojunkiee:
I would not worship in any of your churches...none of them. Why? Because God commands against what you call churches.

1) God is against the teaching and practicing of the doctrines and traditions of men - your churches are built atop of them

_{** substituted from another Bible translation for better understanding of what is impacted}
2) God is against those who set themselves up as authorities/leaders, and even so-called "spiritual" fathers, over His flock

3) God is against those who would suppose themselves masters/head over His flock, placing themselves between Him and His own flock

4) God against those who set themselves up as teachers over His sheep
God made this declaration from even the time of the prophets


5) God is against those who install themselves as shepherds over His sheep

6) God's Church is not the gatherings you have today but instead, a gathering that consists ONLY of those who are born-again /led by His own Spirit... implying that only God can truly "gather" His sheep... not man. Your churches are instead a gathering of sinners, "saints" and dead people(unbelievers), ruled over by sinners disguised as saints - so how can it be compared to God's church?

How do you explain Jesus being a Master?

How do you explain Jesus telling Peter to feed his sheep after he's gone?

I chose to stay with examples from the synoptic gospels knowing that's where your conviction is.

hoopernikao:
Bro, you must have a conviction. Dont be a fence sitter. When you cant say if he is wrong or write or if i am worng or right, then you dont have a conviction on this topic.


Secondly, i have told you to stop generalizing things.



The above is a bogus statement.

How many churches do you know
How many have you worshipped in
How many do you know practice all you listed above.
How many places do you even know as a person to use the word MOST CHURCHES.

You carry so much assumptions in your words as such. A Christian dont exaggerate. Exaggeration was the root of murmuring and disobedience in the wilderness towards Canaan. It is godly to be concise and reserved. It is call being truthful.


Lastly, i know God didnt set Kobojunkie on this path, because you wont find God in a system that seek to destroy and scatter but in honor to authority and His church. You dont need a research to know this Bro.

I believe I once told you while I was still a devout Christian, I felt I was led on the path of unification of the body of Christ. On that journey I explored and worshipped in various denominations viz RCCG, Winners, Christ Embassy, Deeper Life, Jehovah's witness, 7th Day Adventist, Latter Day Saints, and several non-popular churches. Though I had my own church where I was a staunch worker. I was able to explore other denominations whenever my job took me travelling.

That said, I believe I have more knowledge than you in church doctrines.

That is also why I can confidently let you know that most of these churches have been overiden by doctrines of men.

On the bolded, are you reading the same Bible cos from the inception, God's prophets have been known to be against instituted authorities.

Moses against Pharaoh.
Daniel and the 3 Hebrew brothers against the Babylonian authorities.
Mordecai against Haman.
John the baptist against Herod.
Jesus against Jewish authorities.

This is either only be a waste of resources or another avenue to siphon govt funds.

Clearly the North cannot win the next elections whether under APC or PDP. That would automatically lead to disintegration of Nigeria as a country.

So I believe both APC and PDP cannot possibly present a northerner as their candidate.

But the more important issue here is the ousting of both APC and PDP as they are the same. They are Different only in nomenclature.

If Endsars foremen are able to galvanise momentum and present suitable candidature against the 2023 elections, at federal, state and legislative levels then there just may yet be hope.