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BassReeves:
You're going beside the point, that people genuinely and truly follow Jesus for their respective and different reason.

In John 6:26, when a certain crowd were barefaced told they followed Jesus because of the chance to fill their stomach, no one denied this. They couldn't deny what Jesus said about them, because they were true followers of Jesus albeit for the wrong reasons, wrong motivations, wrong sense of purpose etc.

In Mark 1:16, when Jesus saw Simon (i.e. Peter) and his brother, Andrew, He told them to follow Him and that, He'll teach them how to be fishers of men. You do know what it takes to be a fisherman or angler, dont you. If you do, then go figure the rest and all.

Being a Fisher of men is synonymous to being an evangelist.

So you're a follower of Christ if you're an evangelist?
And you're not a follower of Christ if you're not an evangelist?

BassReeves:
I have already given three verses, namely, Matthew 4:19, John 6:2 and John 6:26, that each, gives an indication, not only what it means to be a follower of Jesus but also gives how to identify, who in their respective and different way, is a follower of Jesus

Point of correction.
Your quoted verses below only showed that not all who claim to follow Christ are truly followers.
The question is how then do you identify true followers of Christ?

Matthew 4:19
'“Come, follow Me,” Jesus said, “and I will make you fishers of men.”
Jesus called out to them, “Come, follow me, and I will show you how to fish for people!”'

John 6:2
'A large crowd was following Him because they had seen the signs (attesting miracles) which He continually performed on those who were sick.'

John 6:26
'Jesus answered, “I assure you and most solemnly say to you, you have been searching for Me, (i.e. follow Me)
not because you saw the signs (attesting miracles), but because you ate the loaves and were filled.'

bsalawu:
Star man... God will grant Nigeria favor to be ruled by you...

But he's only one man surrounded by politicians.
What Nigeria needs is not another APC or PDP president or governor. But a complete overhauling of the system.

We need a new crop of professionals to run this country.
Not politicians as usual.

BassReeves:
I reiterate, not all the followers of Jesus Christ are disciples, saints and/or believers. People, multitude, persons etc followed Jesus for respective and different reasons.

True.
But what does it mean to be a follower of Christ?
How can you identify one?

BassReeves:
Matthew 4:19
'“Come, follow Me,” Jesus said, “and I will make you fishers of men.”
Jesus called out to them, “Come, follow me, and I will show you how to fish for people!”'

John 6:2
'A large crowd was following Him because they had seen the signs (attesting miracles) which He continually performed on those who were sick.'

John 6:26
'Jesus answered, “I assure you and most solemnly say to you, you have been searching for Me, (i.e. follow Me)
not because you saw the signs (attesting miracles), but because you ate the loaves and were filled.'

Not all who follow or followed Jesus are disciples. People, multitude, persons etc followed Jesus for respective and different reasons

So it's by church gatherings that you identify someone following Christ?

solasoulmusic:
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What happened to your other thread?

hoopernikao:
Are you reading what you write at all.
The Apostles gathered at their own discretion and decision? You are coming home gradually.

The apostles are doing what their master and savior did. That is what is called a follower. Not someone who pick only part that he wants and still hide behind God's name.

Secondly, you dont have any freedom in Christ to act outside Christ. That is not freedom, it is disobedience. And you can't be walking in disobedience and act as obedient child. The only truth here now is that you keep away that your freedom which is not in Christ and embrace Christ way of living and practices. That is the way out for you on this unchristian doctrine you fashioned for yourself.

You obviously don't believe the Bible.
A person says he's a follower of Christ yet you're not satisfied until he's a follower of hoopernikao right?

If you believe the Bible you will leave him for the Holyspirit to convict. Or can you do the work of the holyspirit more than the holyspirit?

But we both know your intention is not to minister but to always prove you're right and everyone else is wrong.

[quote author= post=100409123]Las Las JESUS WINS.

Always JESUS will WIN.

FORVER : JESUS ISSA WINNER!

Shame to devilhimself and his children


Gospel Joke of the Weekend.....

After countless years of Jesus being in the spotlight,
The Devil had had enough.
He issued a challenge to Jesus; whoever writes the longest story on Microsoft Word wins.
Jesus accepts, and they get to it.
After hours and hours of frantic typing, there is suddenly a power cut.
The Devil is furious, whilst Jesus remains calm.
As soon as the power comes back, he boots up his computer and has lost all his work,
before seeing Jesus calmly typing from where he left off. Lucifer is not happy at all,
He was calling Jesus a cheat,
before God intervenes, proclaiming Jesus the winner.

The moral of the story?
JESUS SAVES!!


(Only the wise will understand )[/quote]The moral of the story, Christians lie.

TheUndercover:
Power Imbalances:

In most relationships, the power dynamic is governed by dependency; whichever party needs the other less is the party that wields power.

If you need them more than they need you, they wield power over you. If they need you more than you need them, you wield power over them. If you both need each other intensely, or you both have little or no need for each other, your power levels are equal.

The power dynamic being governed by dependency is true of almost all types of relationships; business, romantic, even friendship. Do what you can to minimize the degree to which you are dependent on others, and maximize the degree to which they are dependent on you.

All time classic.

Any one can tell you why you need to buy their product even if it's fake.

What it means to be a witness of Christ is to give people true and practical reasons through your own experience why they need a relationship with God.

Whykidstarboy:
haba notin happened na .its inside d school premises.

Did you leave the shuttle for them after the scintillating touch on your beards?

Righteousness2:
If we really wanna see a Beautiful world, Just as it was in the beginning in the Garden of Eden, let us do all we should do to Ensure we surrender to JESUS and live for Him.

Let's live Prepared So we will be Qualified for the rapture when He Comes and return with Him for the Millienium reign on Earth.

It is at the Millienium reign on Earth that we will see that Beautiful and Wonderful World.

Mumu.
Clearly you don't read and understand the Bible.
The supposed new world is nothing like the Garden of Eden.
Cos even from biblical point of view the Garden of Eden no longer exists.

The Garden of Eden was on Earth not on another planet or heaven. And guess what? God was said to destroy the whole earth with a flood including the garden of Eden.

Atkeast read your Bible before coming to spill trash on here.

maasoap:
Lol. You still don't get the point. It is not about earning mega buck, it is about get value for your money. It is not about buying expensive gadgets and all, it is about paying far above the real value of items and that's these yahoo boys are known for and what the writer was talking about.
Yahoo boys would pay 15k for a 7k worth wrist watch. They would gladly pay 20m naira for a piece of land not worth 10m naira. Don't tell me that you haven't seen or heard this kind habit about them.
Freelancers work for their money, it's hard earned. Yahoo boys steal.

He obviously failed Economics in school.

The more important question is what happened after she romanced your beards?

OriginalOmoOgun:
https://platformtimes.com.ng/2021/03/31/i-have-joined-apc-pray-for-me-bankole-tells-supporters/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EsKv_TkdSE

I'm just surprised APC and PDP are still confidently preparing to win the next 2023 elections.

After the EDNSARS movement I'm surprised the youths have suddenly become quiet and tamed.

By now no politician should publicly be able to associate with both APC and PDP parties concerning 2023 elections.

Interestingly, the champions of the Endsars movement are already divided.
We youths don't need to wait for any champion before we make our voices known. After all Endsars flourished because it had no leader, it was simply a movement necessitated by our collective grievances and frustration both against police brutality and bad governance!

I believe by now we should be ostracizing APC and PDP.
We should even be ostracizing every politician that has associated with both APC and PDP.

We should be pining for and galvanising a formidable party and the candidates with track records of excellence in their industry that we want to both run for presidency, governorship and legislative positions in the next 2023 elections.

As it is now, the whole Endsars movement will only have amounted to a waste and the lives lost in vain if APC or PDP wins the next 2023 elections.

TheSupleemLeada:
Liberalism is the biggest problem of the Yoruba's.

You just may have a point there.

Nackzy:
He's too tribalistic, with the likes of Umar Nigeria Can Never be One

Every Nigerian is tribalistic.
Being tribalistic, violent and harmful is the problem.

Hausas and Igbos are the worst at this.
That's why I love my yoruba tribe.
As tribalistic as yorubas are, we don't believe in causing harm on other tribes except in self defense.

Janosky:
According to your Bible, Revelation 12:7-9,How can sin exist in heaven when Satan and the rebellious angels have driven out?

How can England be in the 2018 World Cup final when they were driven out of the semifinal by Croatia?

Even though your Bible says Satan is the original serpent misleading the world and he started misleading the world, first with Eve, you still dey yarn GIBBERISH

Basic comprehension. How did you graduate from secondary school?

Where was Satan and where were the rebellious angels when they became "rebellious"?

They were in heaven.

I decided to answer the question myself cos I'm sure you still won't understand.

Janosky:
See this Bros DECEIVING himself !
Why do you misquote Genesis 3:1,14-15?
Does a mere snake speak any language understood by Adam and Eve?
The cartoon characters wey you dey see for your television Screen, na them dey speak to you?
Bros, grow up !!

This LIENUS FALSELY claims JWs turn Bible upside down while he dey here telling Nairalanders that sin is still going on in heaven.
Your deity can allow sinners to dwell with him & continue sinning like himself,no wahala.

Your deity who loves sin is NOT the true God of the Bible, Jehovah.

Lol a serpent can speak but a snake can't speak?
Your confusion is not only the Bible but clearly basic English.

Serpent simply means snake.

About sin being possible in heaven.
Your idea of sin once again is what's confusing you.

Sin is not just fornication or drunkenness or killing, etc.
Sin is simply disobedience and offense to God.

The angels warring against God in heaven was clearly a sin. Do the math, sin can still exist in heaven.

Just saying.

JohnNgene:
The problem with Islamization is its voilent Jihad strategy.

How many times do Muslims preach to non-Muslims trying to win them "peacefully" into Islam? Is Islam not mostly propagated through socio-political and economic conquest, marriage and by birth?

Christ has never encouraged voilence. Christ teaches love even to one's enemies. Christ lived and died loving and blessing those who hated and eventually killed him. I daresay that Christianity is what has made Christians weak against the voilence of Islam.

Imagine if Christians believed in an eye for eye. But Christ says if your enemy slaps you, you should turn the other cheek for him to dash you another slap. Chai!

Furthermore, please don't confuse a secular radio station owned or run by a Christian with a 100% Christian radio station. I don't think there is any Christian radio-station (not online o) in Nigeria at the moment. I may be wrong though.

That's where you should have started, researching the number of Christian radio stations already in existence in Nigeria both online and through FM.

There are several 100% Christian stations in Nigeria.
Even in the North there are Christian radio stations.

The problem is you still do not see that your issue is not whether there are Christian stations but you won't be satisfied as long as there are Islam stations and everyone hasn't converted to your religion.

Thats the problem with slam and Christianity.

Kobojunkie:
I am afraid this isn't about tarea and wheat. You are not "visually" examining plants here.
And this is not about Paul's so called gifts of the spirits here either. This is about judging by the teaching of Jesus Christ.

According to Jesus Christ, those who are His are not slaves to sin but through acceptance(trust) and obedience of His commandments/teachings, have instead become Sons of God -they know the Truth( Jesus Christ) and the Truth(Jesus Christ) has set them free. These are those who abide in Jesus Chirst and He, Jesus Christ, abides in them.
So, someone struggling with sin has no business teaching anyone that which he has yet to grasp the truth of.

Those who are false are those who are still laden with sin, struggling to accept and obey the teachings of Jesus Christ( the Truth), and so live in disobedience of the commandments/teachings of Jesus Christ, as I have said times before now.

But even the Apostles were still struggling with sins even when they became Apostles. Paul for example, 2 Cor 12:7.

Kobojunkie:
I don't deny the New Covenant, Jesus Christ, whose teachings are contained in the 4 Gospels. As Jesus commands, I accept(trust) and obey His teachings/commandments which is the Truth of God.

As for the views(words of men) expressed in the letters attributed to the Apostles, I agree with those views that line up with the teachings of Jesus Christ and reject those views which do not line up with the teachings of Jesus Christ. That is it !

The problem with dwelling on the views expressed by the servant rather than the very teachings of the Master Himself is that one invests trust in the wrong source. Jesus Christ is the Truth of God and His teachings are Spirit , the standard we are meant to live by - Paul's words are meant to be validated against the Truth of God, Jesus Christ, not imbibed as is.

As I said in my previous post, Jesus Christ declared that those who love Him are those who keep His commandments. So, the false teachers and prophets are then those who do not obey His commandments.

I'm sure even you can't identify them by their fruits. Why?
The tares and the wheat are very similar in nature.

A wheat (true pastor) could easily be struggling with some sin that easily besets him and you conclude that he's a tare.
While a tare (false pastor) can easily pretend to manifest some of the gifts and fruit of the spirit and you will erroneously assume he's a wheat.

So while it's easy to quote the scripture and say you will identify them by their fruits, reality has proven that this is sometimes not even easy to discern.

Juliusmalema:
If that is the case then Ifeanyi is formally back to where he rightly belongs.

Tradition must stand and supersede at last.

This igbo tradition is just stupid.
It defies sense and biology.

If ever any father decides to take yall to court, you'll know that the legal system supercedes your stupid traditions.

Even Ifeanyi will gladly reject his hungry igbo family to follow his successful dad, Davido.

JohnNgene:
I want you to close your eyes and imagine a Nigeria without Christians or Christianity. Imagine Sharia being enforced in all of Nigeria. Imagine an Islamic Republic of Nigeria. Does it look like a country you'd like to be a citizen of?

Why do you preach against islamization of Nigeria when you yourself have confirmed here that Christians have the agenda of Christianization of Nigeria?

Religions that don't try to dominate others have peaceful coexistence with other religions but Christianity and Islam have a global agenda that makes them the real problem of the world.

A Muslim is tasked with islamization of the world just as a Christian is tasked with Christianization of the world.
Both religions trumping desperately to establish their own idea of God's kingdom on earth.

Interestingly Judaism that birthed Christianity and Islam does not impose it's religion on others (in recent times).

Point being, Christians have no moral or religious obligation to cast aspersions at Islam's agenda to Islamic Nigeria when the agenda of Christianity is likewise to Christianize Nigeria.

In both religions, there's no room for Live and Let Live.
You're either one of us or an enemy of our God.

Imagine the ignorance behind this post, with all the Christian radio stations in Nigeria, OP is still unsatisfied until Christian stations are created to snuff out Islamic stations.
There's no room for live and let live.

When yall realise what religion has turned you into, I hope it won't be too late.

Kobojunkie:
Look out for those who do not keep the commandments/teachings of Jesus Christ.

For example, those who teach doctrines and traditions of men, what declared are lies, are false teachers and prophets.

Those who deviate from the Gospel as taught by Jesus Christ in any way or form are not of Him.

Those of them who preach the Old covenant and not the New Covenant, are not of Him.
The list goes on.

Lol but I've read you denying even the new testament.

From my observation, your idea of new testament is only the 4 synoptic gospels about Jesus Christ. While the rest of the new testament can't be trusted since they were "words of men."

Cos most of the pastors we call false today are not those who dwell on the old testament teachings only but those who dwell on the teachings of Apostle Paul, especially the Hyper Grace pastors.

Since you're the botanist, maybe you can help the rest of us identify and differentiate the true from the false prophets by their fruits.

mmadu4:
if you never marry then sorry be your name

Lol those are harsh words though. Doomed ke?

Being married is a blessing. Just like being unmarried can be a blessing when it's a personal choice.

Kobojunkie:
By their fruits you will know them. They are quite easy to spot if you know what to look out for.

Lol ould you be kind enough to help us identify the true pastors from the false pastors of Nigeria by their fruits?

LordReed:
So to you a judgemental person is equal to a terrorist?

The key word here is extremist.

JW is the extremist Christian.
Just as ISIL/terrorist is the extremist Muslim.

If Christianity supported killing unbelievers/blasphemers, A JW member would likewise be a potential terrorist.

Have you seen the way they worship their organisation?
Have you seen the reaction of JW members here whenever you call out their organisation?

You can insult God or Jesus all you want, just don't touch their organisation.

Kobojunkie:
I am afraid it is true that God never intended for men to rule over men.

God declared Himself God (King) over Israel by way of His Old Covenant, appointing instead judges to oversee the direct problems the people had. However, the people demanded that God appoint for them human kings and God eventually obliged them and we all know how the story goes.

Then God declared that He would establish for Himself an everlasting Kingdom where He would rule forever over His people. He spoke of this Kingdom to come through His prophets - a kingdom that will have one and only one ruler..He.

We do not know what God intends or not.
We only know what he declares.
Some have claimed that God never intended to create woman until he observed man was lonely.
Some claim God never intended for man to eat of the tree of good and evil but why did he plant it in the garden?
There are many examples if you have to debate the intentions of God along side his declarations.

Yes it was the israelites that demanded for a king.
But did the israelites fair any better during the era of judges than during the era of Kings?

Were they not more blessed during the reign of Solomon and a few other Kings that honored God than they ever experienced during the era of judges?

Yes God spoke of kingdom. But how would they understand the heavenly kingdom if God did not teach them through the earthly kingdom?

LordReed:
This is a very faulty analogy. JWs may be extremists of a sort but they are certainly not terrorists.

The analogy isn't faulty, your interpretation is faulty.

The point being Islam can be practised as a peaceful religion.
Just as Christianity can be practised as a non-judgmental religion.


The Extremist Muslim is the one who becomes the terrorist turning Islam to a weapon of mass destruction.

Likewise the extremist Christian is the one who becomes the JW turning the Bible upside down, judging and sometimes condemning everyone who isn't part of their organisation.

payloader:
You think so? You don't brand a product with Satan's name without implications. If you have any idea what is going on in the foreign music scene you will shiver with apprehension as to the fate of most of these foreign artistes. Most of them don't make it to 60. They either commit suicide, or they drug themselves to death. Its no fun dude. Satan will give you all the fame and money, but he always comes for the ultimate prize, your soul.

We all claimed Kanye West had sold his soul to the devil during the whole ILLUMINATI craze.
Today he's doing gospel albums, what happened?

Did he collect his soul back? Lol

During his testimonies, not once did he mention selling his soul to the devil. Nigga just wanted to blow up and he also jumped on the illuminati publicity stunt.

Lil Nas X is young and openly gay. Apparently he doesn't take religion seriously. He's just doing this for the publicity and for the sales.

Celebrities dying young is no proof that they sold their souls to the devil. The celebrity life is crazy. No privacy, no freedom to express themselves, competitive comparisons and backslashes by the press.

Worse is when they start depending on drugs to numb their pain. Eventually some of them get under strong addictions that could mess them up.

Only a fraction of celebrities who can't handle the pressure that comes with the fame commit suicide or fall victims of addictions. Others are doing just fine.

Even non-celenrities commit suicide, did they also sell their souls?

This is most likely just another publicity stunt bro.