₦airaland Forum

FrLukas:
You mean you are scared it will turn to something like Hisbah which is a tool used to witch hunt Christians up North, right?

Asebaje, eku ara'ifun

The guilty runs when no one is chasing.

DNSPro:
Those bastard up north are now trying to lure South East with Presidency. I am sure South East is laughing at them.

Good move by the SW government. We support it

congo4ka:
Aboki sef don dey use internet

The very day we south westerners agree to leave Nigeria is when it seize from existing. We are not SE, the northern hausas and Fulani will be dealt with. Yoruba is the only Bond of this country, I am happy lots of people are already noticing the northern agenda.

sunday0707:
Are you hearing reprise for the first time. If you are please check your dictionary Once you get the message I'm okay by slot I wanted to type a lot. That's a typographical error. I won't reply ur illiteracy message because it's evident u are one. Check our conversations since the beginning

AreaFada2:
Dude, just stick to your kitman like Buhari did over Chibok girls until foreign media came. To court the West and outsiders with CNN, Al-Jazeera, only then did he pay lip service to vaguely condemn Boko Haram. Your pseudo-intellectual exercise won't wash.

You compare Northern security forces frogmarching Southern university girls through roadside puddles for over a year as an isolated case? I guess you were not even born then to know.

Look, most of you guys have a backward medieval social approach life. A region that produces terrorists en mass has no redeeming qualities. Very hypocritical. You lot shout should set out on your own alone.

If my ignorance makes me to abhor terrorist production line and being in denial of it, I wholeheartedly embrace it. Away with your knowledgeable backwardness.

If you like you can make Shekau your religious political leader. Just let those who want to live peacefully move on. Or are you guys too afraid to lose oil money?

sunday0707:
You are an aboki right, you can put a call across to the miyetti Allah president in Ondo State and ask him about the night of ijare in terms of protecting it's indigene and resources.

And please do advise him to tell them to reprise. That will be the end of Aboki's in ijare if not Ondo State. We are peace loving people and I know slot of hausa/ Fulani in Ijare the ones who even speak our dialect. But when you take our accommodating for granted and decides fighting us that will be the end.

Pls don't forget to tell them to reprise

sunday0707:
who is sleeping with one eye closed. They should have waited instead of running away. Why didn't they revenged their struck dead cows. Aboki go and read about Ijare and you would realize this is not a community where u can destroy their farms and go Scot free. Let them think of attacking the town and Ijare will show you the stuff we are made of. Mind you this is not chest beating

Ofemannnu:
You have consistently been harping on this reprisal in all your comments.Pls,sir bring on your reprisal. Hope you are coming in the dead of the night or any suitable time you deem fit.Just be very well prepared and make sure you watch over your numerous enclaves properly.You are welcome anytime.A tiger does not shout its tigritude.

AreaFada2:
Reading is not understanding. Did I mention Sharia law or Sharia mind in my post about 1984?
Long before Sharia was officially introduced during OBJ second coming, some Northern communities already practiced Sharia such as cutting off the arms of thieves. Such amputees come to the South as beggars.

Which Federal law backed Sharia when it started? Or JTF or Herdsmen carrying AK 47 about across Nigeria?

Do not try to use law argument to perpetrate Fulani religious plans and hegemony. You are not that clever.

myobjective:
To begin with, open grazing is not feasible and will always create a problem when Fulani moves to an area not used to their method of animal husbandry. This method is not sustainable and will always create crises, the best solution is to completely stop open grazing in regions south of the River Niger and Federal government should build smaller dams along waterways in North to cater for grazing during the dry season in the North.

Ultimately, we'll need to move into 21st century of cattle rearing, where such a trade is treated as a business and all battles are placed in a ranch.

sunday0707:
You are truly aboki. They've been warned severally, they didn't listen, remember part of the warning was thunderstorm against 36 cows in the community last year. These people have destroyed many peoples source of livelihood.

In this same community, my dad's farm was eaten up last year, another of his farm was eaten up last week. This is his only source of livehood. What do you expect him to be eating when years,months,weeks,hours of labour was destroyed in a day. It might interest you to know that the king is even helpless as he has gotten several warning from military base in the State. When one seems to be helpless, u resort to self help. That was part of the lightling last year.

We are peace loving people but are not fools nor cowards You may not have heard of ijare but I tell you let them even think of reprisal or make attempt. They would suffer more. We don't make mouth.

As regards your question, I may not be able to speak for the community, but paying for the damages they caused should be the condition for the release of their cows.

BabaRamota1980:
Under the colonial legacy referenced by wirinet Hausa Constables were the first set of recruits.

Through that arrangement it is easy to see that Colonial government keyed into the conflicts they met on ground amongst the indigenes. There is a story, and history, to that but its not pertinent to this thread.

The 1/3 local and 2/3 posting has zero value to add to balance and neutrality. It was part of the many artificial structures created to force unity. It followed same pattern as in military postings, youth corps, federal government schools and even civil servants.

Opposition to foreigners on the soil was a central point in the coup and war of 66/67.

It is a useless policy not supported by any scholarship or academic input.

AreaFada2:
Shouldn't FG become proactive now considering that the regions want grassroot policing? With people near the grassroots who understand local culture policing their own areas? Why can't FG meet with the regions to work out a viable local policing formula?

As a kid I saw police and soldiers deployed from the North harassing Southern female students near two campuses for wearing skirts.

They automatically saw them as prostitutes. With their Sharia worldview. That was just after Buhari took over in 1983 to 1984. Security forces were moved across the country.

Yet people in the South didn't want Sharia law enforcement. They wanted and still want secular criminality fought: robberies, car jacking, burglaries, etc.

We must start decentralization soonest. The stranglehold of the behemoth FG is simply suffocating. Because it is grossly inefficient, unwieldy and stifles legitimate regional aspirations.

Citizens have no reason to trust some "emperor" in faraway Abuja than their local officials.

Virtually all successful countries have a decentralised system: Germany, UK, USA, Switzerland, etc.

wirinet:
The security architecture as presently constituted cannot work. The Nigerian Police Force was a colonial hang over with the sole purpose of protecting the colonial administrators from sometimes hostile natives. They owe their allegiance to the colonial government.
The Nigerian Police force main pre occupation is to protect the government in power and their conniving elite.
There are murders on the streets everyday without the police caring to carry out investigations and finding the murders. If one government official or a big man is killed, the police will Fish fish out the culprits under 48 hours.

A federal police cannot be expected to enforce local or customary laws, it just doesn't make sense. This is one of the reasons the police are useless during prosecutions and are often disgraced in court. You expect a police man from Enugu to learn the state and customary laws of in ogbomosho, to be able to successfully prosecute a case in ogbomosho.

A state house of assembly makes laws, a state high Court interprete the laws, but you expect a federal police to enforce the laws. Does that make sense?

Not that I exactly oppose hisbah Police or Amotekun or even Biafra secrete service (that is if the chief executives of the south east states decides to name their Police as such), my grouse is in the laws governing their creation and operation. They should operate within the confines of the constitution and not try an impose laws that limits freedom guaranteed by the constitution.

dalass:
At least let's try something else aside all these failed aboki-led military, federal govt and police, DSS etc who only pay lip service and profit from the insecurity of innocent lives and property.

We'll clap when the job is done!

myobjective:
Good points throughout but we are only looking at the security point, what about the salient point of old age practice of open grazing?

What about the economic hardship being faced by both harder and farmers that are forcing more people into crime?
I live in Abuja and I travel extensively across the north-central, south-west and north-west zones and all I see are angry youth ready to do anything to makes a living. How do we control our explosive population, create wealth in our rural areas through cartage industries, farming and agro-processing?

As people, we need to look holistically into conflict resolution, wealth creation and population control mechanism.

darediamond:
I expect SENSIBLE reply from you over the issue of life and death Core North is playing with at the expense of we Southeners and here again you showed FoolishNESS in your reply like people up there whose region as been named "HOME OF LAWLESSNESS".

myobjective:
I agree with the bolded.

If I may ask, what is the way forward to checkmate the issue of kidnapping and herder-farmer clashes in both North and South?

Iamgrey5:
Hunters carry arms, Herders carry"ak47 to defend themselves" (a very sophisticated automatic gun), even JTF carry weapons as long as it is sanctioned by law and the police or necessary security agencies are aware of the weapons.

Amotekun would also only carry not so sophisticated weapons to defend themselves because let's face it they would be facing criminals who might also be armed.

@ the AGF

What exactly is the AGF saying that is unique or sensible, he claimed they should consulted him first.

However, what exactly do we need his permission for ?

AGF isn't the constitution, the constitution is for everyone to see and only the court can determine if an action is illegal not the AGF.

Anyways, this case would be challenged in the court of law.

myobjective:
But you will agree with me that the way the federal government is handling the issue of herdsmen is playing into the hands of the propagandist to cause a problem.

The federal government has failed to protect life and property both in the south and north, don't you think it will better for the state/regional government to have some kind of security architecture in place to complement the work of the federal government?

myobjective:
The problem with the Nigeria force is political and lack of capacity. We are seriously under policed in Nigeria, there are thousands of community without police presence both in the north and south, this gives room for criminals to easily have their ways.

Having community police doesn't stop the federal government from doing their job, it will only complement their activity.

If I may ask, why are you guys so worried about a security outfit created to solve a problem than the instigator of the problem itself?

myobjective:
But we all know that herdsmen carry illegal firearms why hasn't anyone of them being arrested?

myobjective:
Don't just pretend that northerners are some kind of angels that are devout ethnic bigotry. The truth is we are guilty of ethnic chauvinistic because has always shown that some section of the country are ill bent on dominating and unfair to others when they are in a position of authority.

It's imaterial if Fulani terrorist has killed more northerners than southerners or more Muslim than Christians or the fact that some demography decided to keep mute in the face of injustices doesn't mean we should keep mute and continue to act all is well. The core north sees Fulani as their lord that can do no wrong but we in the southwest don't share in such sentiment. We'll continue to make laws that will protect us against external aggressors be it Fulani, Hausa or Igbo.

darediamond:
High

Which court?
A region is saying no to Jiadist invasion your talking of dragging it out with them at court. Listen to yourself again, do you in your concious and sub-concious mind sound SENSIBLE AT ALL??

Iamgrey5:
@ emboldened

I am sorry but you are the one that doesn't understand the operations of Amoteku

It was actually set up to work hand in hand with the Nigerian police

They would give Nigeria police information and make citizens arrest and hand it over to the Nigerian police.

it doesn't have a detention center

Why shouldn't State government be able to do that? or is Malami confused?

dalass:
Aboki, please leave amotekun abeg. The police and even military are ill-equipped to fight insecurity anywhere in this country as you must know.

They are only good at collecting money on the highways!

Even our governors have absolutely no control over these 'lawful' Nigerian security structures.... And you want the south west governors to watch their territories to turn to another terrorist ridden region like the Northern Nigeria where other countries fear and have warned their citizens to refrain from visiting? No thanks... We'll take it from here