₦airaland Forum

wirinet:
I did A/Levels in sokoto and not NYSC.

How can you say fundamental rights of non muslims have not changed, when your hishah police go arresting non muslims in their homes and hotels for drinking beer and intimate relations with women?
You are telling me that if I am an animist that uses gin as part of my prayer, I cannot come to sokoto.

About Arabic letters on currency notes. Yes a few Christians complain, but most don't just care. As long as there are English letters and numerals (Arabic), that I can understand, they can as well add Chinese. I don't care.

Herdsmen killing both muslims and Christians should be everybody's concern. If the hisbah Police was to protect both Christian and muslims from fulani herdsmen's attacks, believe me I would not have any issues, but imposing muslims laws and morals on non muslims is wrong.

The herdsmen menace has been a major problem in Nigeria. It started from the north, decimated the middle belt and is not threatening the peace and security of the East and west. Should we not sit together and resolve the Fulani herdsmen issue once and for all?
I would have expected Buhari being a fulani himselves to tackle the issue, but instead he has been aloof.

This is exactly what I have been saying; for goodness sake why must you close your mind to reading and reasoning; why must you ignore or twist issues even though made clear as light and day?
I have repeatedly explained that Sharia applies to Muslims only; while Hisbah is authorised to enforce it in ADDITION to some moral laws including consumption of alcohol.
Pls tell me which part of the 3rd paragraph of my last post did you not understand (reproduced here below)

As already mentioned, Hisbah was introduced in affected states to enforce Sharia laws on Muslims only alongside some moral laws on the generality of the citizenry - including the much misunderstood prohibition of alcohol (which was not enacted under Sharia law, as most of you misconstrue).

For the last time, pls note that Hisbah is NOT security based; they are not even armed and therefore cannot protect anyone from physical threat.

The excesses of the herdsmen is indeed a threat and a menace to everyone; it is therefore reasonable for Nigerians to expect and complain when govt protection fails them; at the same time the law does not allow individuals or state govts to resort to self help in the manner in which the SW governors are approaching this problem - because there is always the danger that such outfits can easily be hijacked or get out of control and therefore mushroom to something never imagined or intended before (e.g. an ethnic supremacist witch hunting or separatist machinery) in view of which no govt will sit back and fold its arm at such possibility.

wirinet:
Well i did not see your post where you said anything against hisbah. I have known you to be defending hisbah with vigour since I noticed you.

I am glad you are educated, so we can debate on an intellectual level instead of emotional level, without the use of threats, intimidation and innuendos. My problem with you is that you are sometimes dishonest. You view issues from your narrow perspective and not care about how issues affect others. I call that entitlement mentality.

Don't misunderstand me. I supported Buhari 100%, I did two years schooling in sokoto in the late 80s and fell in love with sokoto and northerners. When I was in sokoto, I did not feel threatened, I drank beer when I wanted to (but in a private bar or private space), I worshiped in a church when I felt like (all the churches were on Ahmadu bello road ), although I hate pork, no one threatened me from eating it. In fact when I was leaving one of my fulani friend offered to give me a goat as a parting gift. That was love.

Today, the story is different, I would not go back to sokoto for a million dollars. There is so much religious intolerance. You guys now want to impose your beliefs and lifestyle on others.

Now, what seperated an hisbah Police from amotekun? Are you saying if I steal or commit murder, hisbah Police will not arresting me? They may not have the powers to prosecute me, but they will effect the arrest, using violence if need be. They arrest people selling and drinking beer, they arrest men and women in hotel rooms.

You are away that there is a huge security challenge in the southwest and the south as a whole. Farmers are having difficulty earning their livelihood, due to cattle grazing and attacked by fulani herdsmen, and these have been going on for decades with increasing intensity. The federal government has either been complicit, incompetence or non challant, what do you expect the governors or the people to do?

I am glad you enjoyed your NYSC days and felt the love of Sokoto in those days. I can assure you that, although Nigeria of the 80's cannot be the same the same today; however, not much has changed in terms of your fundamental rights since then.
Southerners and Christianity continue to thrive in Sokoto (and by extension, most of the Muslim north) without fear or molestation.

Having said that; unfortunately, most of you southerners will continue to disagree because of your innate tendency to always view any issue or move by northerners from your narrow ethno-religious perspective:
Arabic letters on our currency notes and military insignia (introduced by the British); herdsmen attacking and killing more Muslims/northerners; Boko Haram attacking and killing more Muslims; Sharia which applies to Muslims only ........and so on, are all being deliberately misinterpreted as Islamisation/Fulanisation agenda by southern political losing elites in order to curry more favour/relevance and support from their apparently gullible lot.

As already mentioned, Hisbah was introduced in affected states to enforce Sharia laws on Muslims only alongside some moral laws on the generality of the citizenry - including the much misunderstood prohibition of alcohol (which was not enacted under Sharia law, as most of you misconstrue).

On the other hand; Amotekun (as you even admitted in your post) is intentionally being set up by the SW states as a security outfit - SECURITY being the key word here; which clearly fall within the exclusive list and therefore outside the responsibility of the state/regional governments.

I will advise your governments to key into the existing FG defence structure (police, military etc) in a collaborative way e.t.c. JTF rather than going it alone - which is illegal.

wirinet:
Na wa o. You are so inconsistent. You arguing everyday for the support of Sharia law, hisbah Police and civilian JTF in the north , but now arguing against Amotekun in the south.
People have been asking your northerners to differentiate between hisbah, JTF and Amotekun and you keep mute.

I think the southerners are finally waking up from the injustices we have been suffering from people who feels they own the country.
Do your sharia up north and my people will stay away from the north. We will do our Amotekun and herdsmen should stay away from the south.

If you could read and understand, you would have notice in my 1st post where I stated under where Hisbah fell - comparing Amotekun with Hisbah is like comparing apples with oranges and smacks of ignorance.

BTW, what do you think J in JTF stood for?

darediamond:
There is nothing like Fededral Government Of Nigeria. All we have is Hausa/Fulani Government.

North is calling for WAR.

This will not end well for them if it starts. They have Th s and Bombs of physical Science product. We have ours which is a product of SUPER SPIRITUAL SCIENCE.

Like I said, go to court and prove your case - meanwhile, keep your tribal bigotry to yourself.

myobjective:
Amotekun is not a defence issue, it was set up to checkmate activities of criminal within a locality. It is a community policing which is allowed in a federating state.

The political sharia in the North doesn't have the constitutional backing to have a militia group to enforce religious law in a secular country. They don't have the right to destroy alcohol that is allowed by the constitution of the Nigeria state. The southerners decide not to border themselves with what is going on in the North because it is none of their business and the North shouldn't show their hand on southwest affairs because it is none of their business.

The criminal herdsmen will be dealt with and nothing you and your elite can do about it

I have no cause to waste time and energy arguing with someone who is clearly driven by emotions rather than logic.
The FG has already made its declaration and given its reasons why; however, if and your leaders think otherwise, then kindly sue the AGF/FG to court to prove your case.

Captainrambo2:
Rubbish. These northern people really take us so small.

The guts.

The same fanatics have unleashed hisbah on everyone in the north. Yet they say the yorubas can't have a militia. Them dey mad

The interpretation of the law is not a northern matter; you governors did not do their homework, they did not check the constitution and clearly over stepped their executive boundaries; despite the array of lawyers they would have had at their behest - pls do not blame northerners for their blunder.

Do not also confuse Hisbah which is entirely different, set by relevant states to enforce religious and moral codes against Amotekun currently set up by the SW regional states as a defence outfit - which (defence) clearly fall within the exclusive list and therefore outside the jurisdiction of state governments.

It is purely a legal issue and not a regional matter - if in doubt, let your governors challenge it in court.

Enwhen:
Don't kill urself with people's comment on NL...tho, he is not completely right ...but if north the Southwest and Saudi Arabian Muslims, I would have concluded that ISLAM means WAR

Your comment is just as ignorant as his - no difference.

They are confused and hard of choice; they don't know what they want.

BlackSeptember:
Remove oil from Saudi Arabia and you will find out that they are more primitive than Afghanistan.


There is no Muslim nation that became successful without natural resources. Their citizens don't think rather they slam their head on the ground 2hrs knocking out that which will spur their thinking

Very ignorant statement.

In the same vein, how about your village ppl still chopping human beings - say no to Cannibalism, bigotry and ignorance.

Perkins2018:
Your article talks about aides while I talk about head of agencies. Are only the northerners qualified for top jobs in the country? Why don’t you name the top agencies where southerners occupy?

The more you show your ethnic bias the more you unite the south to push for the de-almagamation of the country.

Pls answer these questions: does the qualifying requirement for those top jobs you mentioned depend on tribe?
Was the president in violation of the constitution in these appointments?
Were the specific positions you mentioned the only top jobs available or a few among others simply to mislead others into believing your skewed perception of the reality on ground.
Vanguard, a known anti Buhari newspaper, published the article, stating otherwise; yet you are still here yarning dust - its seems like some ppl are born to wail.

Get this straight: northerners are not afraid of separation nor will they fall for this cheap southern blackmail; in fact they were the 1st to request for it (in the 1966 riots); however, it was your forefather, Nnamdi Azikiwe, who wanted and insisted on the non inclusion of a secession clause in our 1st constitution.
Recall, it was not so long ago after their patience was tested that they felt obliged to give some ppl quit notice - we also can remember how the same set of ppl were running helter skelter soon afterwards (cap in hand) suing for peace.
I repeat, northerners are not afraid of de-amalgamation - the Lamido of Adamawa has already spoken for them during the constitutional conference under GEJ; we are ready for it whenever it comes.

Educated but stupid and apparently quite ignorant.

How can the use of an alphabetic system, in this case Arabic connote adoption of a religion?

Those insignia and inscriptions could have equally been written in Hebrew, Indian or Russian alphabets and still mean the same thing.

Our colonial masters, the British, (who are also Christians) introduced the tradition without any bias or tilt towards any religion - yet our intolerant Islamaphobic Christian brothers continue to espouse hatred and bigotry in their ignorant opposition to these inscriptions/symbols; while deliberately misleading/inciting others into hatred.

Not surprised at all; these ppl have the capacity to hate like no man's business.

Bombshell!
Buhari haters I dey feel una pain.

Sweeetheart:
haa

Abakaliki are too aggressive if not all ebonyi people I knew this because of their manner of approach and how they get angry easily at Nnewi then

I can say they're the most aggressive people in East. I wonder what give him such confidence to kill a man on his soil for that matter

Nigerians around there should better evacuate themselves from that area, is going to be messier those beast are like northern Nigeria, na only go zombies dey here

Wetin bring northern Nigeria for this matter?

Why not ask yourself why are your ppl attracting such backlash reactions within and outside Nigeria; from Ghana, Togo, Kenya, SA, India, Malaysia, Indonesia, Amelica - in fact, all over the world?

The sooner you ppl start doing something about your bad hateful and criminal attitude as well as taking responsibility for your own actions (instead of blaming others) the better.

Perkins2018:
There you go with your dishonesty. We are talking of major appointments and not the compulsory ministerial appointments.

Who are the heads of;
Custom
Npa
Nnpc
Military
Police
Dss
Nia
Nysc
Etc?

You dare not report herdsmen to the police for destroying your farm. They will do nothing. He closed southerner borders and left northern borders open.

Shifting the goalpost as expected:
When confronted with evidence contrary to your false claim that Buhari was always replacing southerners with northerners; you conveniently ignored it.
When asked whether the qualifying requirement for these post was the appointee's tribe and not his suitability; yet again you conveniently avoided the question.
After giving you further evidence that showed Buhari actually favoured southerners than northerners; you suddenly shifted to oh no, " We are talking of major appointments and not the compulsory ministerial appointments" - as if you didn't read this part of the article.

[b]....And 124 high profile political appointments comprising special advisers, senior special assistants, and special assistants to the president were made out of which 59 were from the Northern region and 65 were from the South. This number excludes 36 ministers who are statutorily appointed one each from a state
........the relatively higher number of such high-profile appointments from the North made between 2015 and 2016 (Buhari’s early days in office), tended to give the incorrect impression that the North retained an unfair share of the appointments to date. Kebbi, Zamfara, Nasarawa, Plateau, FCT, Bayelsa, Ebonyi have zero appointments of presidential aides and thus will not even appear in the chart. Adamawa and Kano top the list with 11 each; while Oyo follows with 10; Ogun nine; Lagos and Kaduna, eight each; and Katsina, seven
.........A reliable source who refused to be named said: “The President has been severely criticised for so-called lopsided appointments in favour of the North, but the facts hardly support this view.”[/b]

Read more at: https://www.vanguardngr.com/2019/05/appointments-buhari-favoured-south-more-than-north-records/

Of course, you will continue to argue with the facts (as many of you do) from your usual skewed narrow biased perspective and spread same through heavily dominated media houses.

Unfortunately, tribal and regional politics is the bane of you southerners; the more you espouse it the more you succeed in uniting the northerners, and the more they will beat you hands down because they will always have the numbers.

These food vendors na wa o!
They use Sniper to preserve beans, embalming fluid (formaldehyde) to enhance kpomo; now paracetamol and bleach to tenderise meat and whiten gari respectively - it's no wonder everyone is getting cancer, kidney disease and many other ailments.

Donexy16:
Government house be looking like a hotel

Lol, abi oO! - no taste, no class.

Perkins2018:
I doubt you know nothing then. Buhari has been appointing only northerners and replacing retired officers with northerners. He has never replaced a northerner with a southerner.

Lawal daura was sacked and the next in line took over. Buhari replaced him with a northerner.

He replaced Fowler with a northerner.
He replaced Banire with a northerner.
He replaced Ayo Oke with a northerner

NHIS boss was suspended, Buhari reinstated him.

What other actions do you need to know Buhari is an ethnic bigot. And you northerners are happy with it. I hope you won’t cry when the table turns.

Btw, the Yoruba woman has been appointed by the UN.

Assuming, but not conceding, what you said was true; kindly tell me whether the overriding qualifying criteria for these positions is tribe and not suitability?

BTW, your above assertion is wrong, find below some examples where Buhari replaced northerners with southerners:

Solomon Dalung (Plateau) was replaced with Sunday Dare (Oyo)
Abubakar Bawa Bwari replaced with Dr Ikechukwu Ogah (Abia)
Suleiman Hassan (Gombe) replaced with Sharon Ikeazor (Anambra)

In fact contrary to the popular ongoing propaganda, close analysis of PMB's appointments showed that he actually favoured southerners more than northerners - unfortunately, southerners like you will continue to wail and spread this falsehood through their media out of mischief and sheer hatred for the president.
https://www.vanguardngr.com/2019/05/appointments-buhari-favoured-south-more-than-north-records/

Decorated but apparently CORRUPT.

Starboytwo:
no will, and I believe my imediate elder bro have in possesion any relevant paperworks for the house...


And it' not a now thingy, even if it will be sold eventually, not in the next 5 years at least... I just want to know if majority win works in this kinda situation or dosent...

I mean it's an inheritance right, we all have equal rights and all, 8 want to sell, 3 don't want to sell, majority rules say 8 win, but everything I have been reading online says no sale without my "consent"... So I'm thinking like since my "consent" is NO, they can't sell...

Maybe I should add, nobody will cheat anybody in the aftermath of a sale, everyone would get theirs...

My issue is isn't there some clause in the law that covers for a scenario where the property in contention is my home, grew up in it, knew everyone, live and still living with evidence, also I know for a fact that pop will never sell, out of the blue about to be up for sale by people who needed an address and later description when they were coming cuz they needed money....


They just trying to use my house for cash out, why should they? The day they came, they all left except 1, not my fault they like visitors, cuz they never come..

You are reasoning with your emotions not logic and therefore being selfish.
All your siblings and your late father's wives are entitled to their their legitimate share of their inheritance.
You are apparently living and benefitting rent free from the house and therefore reluctant to let go - alongside your emotional attachment to it.
You have 3 basic options:
If the property is large enough, then it can be physically divided so that every heir may inherit and do as he/she pleases with his/her share.
If you have enough money, then you can offer to buy the rest out - subject to their consent.
Otherwise, the majority interest should prevail over your minority rights; most courts would uphold their right to sell the property and give you your legitimate share of the proceeds.

thatigboman:
and u didn't see old victor alonge, an afonja

No, I missed it; apparently because the Okeke's will always dominate and outshine the others to irrelevance.

destinie2019:
The cabal will disappear the moment the "born to rule" and "permitted to steal" folks get the position.

The "born to wail" will always exhibit their syndrome no matter illogical they may appear.

Pedrotina11:
Igbo people are too biase...wetin self Everytin so nah Igbo him see Come take ur tym..

No mind them; they must wail to justify their victim mentality.

Perkins2018:
Buhari has shown his ethnic bias making every move by the northerners to be perceived as ethnic bias. Don’t blame anyone for your shortsightedness.

I doubt you truly believed that myopic logic you just posted.

OhiOfIhima:
Under Buhari watch, 16millions dollar is languishing in Bridgade-General wife account.

The money meant to fight Boko boys diverted.

More likely Oyel money than boko haram, the guy was posted to NDDC for 3yrs between 2016 - 2019 - where persin fit award himself up to 300 contracts with full payment and zero performance (he could easily also have been involved in bunkering).

Awol1:
And there was no Hausa among the cabals?

Only a Yoruba man and an Igbo woman.

Las las na 2023 everything go end.

So the minister should wait and not act against them until he finds a Hausa equivalent (while Nigerians suffer) in order to satisfy your myopic tribal bigotry.

Looking more like an uncultivated bush than a farm.

Same FFK said,

"It is the Igbo people more than any other that have complained about marginalisation in Nigeria, forgetting that there is no other country in the world in which there was a major civil war and yet only 10 years after that war ended the losing side produced the Vice President for the whole country in a democratic election in 1979 in the distinguished person of Vice President Alex Ekwueme"

Read more at: https://www.vanguardngr.com/2017/06/bitter-truth-igbo-femi-fani-kayode/

What is new; cannibalism is their way.

Hisbah arrested a policemen frolicking with 3 girls in a hotel in Zamfara and the hypocrites rushed to the thread insulting northerners and the religion of Islam as backward; now that the same Hisbah has arrested a bunch of homosexuals in Kano; they have suddenly lost their voices.