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Thank you very plenty.

Gbawe seems to be seeing this Jonathan's tenure as a normal one. Wrong. This is a special or rather illegal(YES I mean illegal) 1 year for this man to do some good while fighting evil with every weapon at his disposal.

Balarabe Musa or Dangiwa?   You think jobs like these are given to people based on their popularity press rating? Na beer parlour dis people wey u mention go dey , when dem go hear martial song for radio.  

Let me tell you, Jonathan sure needs some good men around him, but he must pay the proverbial rent to some "evil" men too , to help him fight evil. Anything short of that na suicide for JOE.

@Gbawe
Nice one I understand your point. But please answer the question kobikwelu asked. And i repeat.

Kobikwelu: pleeeeeeassseeee name 1 person who has all this and can counter the UMYA cabals?

Afam and Kobikwelu. Thanks. I am humbled.

Gbawe: We are not "faceless men who show courage from the comfort of anonymity" . We are the employers of Jonathan and Yar Adua even if those folks and the sycophants who surround them don't remember that fact . What do you suggest Nigerians do ? Shut up and accept all the scheming that has relegated the effective governance of the Nation to the background? In decent nations average citizens should have a significant input in policy direction . It is bad enough the politicians have total disregard and disdain for us but must we average Nigerians view each other as irrelevant also?

Gbawe: Bro, I noted everything else you wrote. I feel your argument is only legitimate if applied to the needs of Jonathan and other schemers plotting to gain power advantages . It is the wrong argument from the perspective of long suffering Nigerians who have to put up with prehistoric living conditions and the threat of imminent slaughter everyday.

@Gbawe.
First I need to state that i respect your views so much._{Check my vote on the poster of the year on political matters for last year}. I however differ on the issues here.


First we seem to have the same picture of the ideal, desired destination for the Nation, however the process you advocate seem to be undermining the formidability of the enemy. We need to be smart enough to know what is ideal and what is achievable and how. You seem not to appreciate the fact that more often than not if you cant play the politics up there, you cant get the dividends down to the common man.Why ? becuase even as a president there will be no formal backing from the necessary arms of government to see good policies through.



I have learnt a lot here on NL no doubt so I do not want to be drawn into any argument about peoples posts here, but truth be told we are all(most) faceless here on NL, we all  find it very easy to speak our minds and most times exoberantly(I am eqaully culpable so dont get me wrong). How many of us find this same  ease of expression before our bosses at work when they seem to err, like we do here when the president or some minister up there fumbles? selah.


The business here is politics and not just mere emotional outbust. While politicians differ  ideologically as to the dividends to the common man and the very motive for politicking, it remains that in even the most advanced societies credible programs are shot down sometimes. why? simply becuase politics is (and will remain) a game of numbers to serve different interest.


As we speak he is trying  to run the show at the very height of the nation's politcal space with contending tribal,religious,business and personal interests.
The forces against him  can be undone but we must admit they are formidable. My point is that Jonathan seems to be on course. He seems not to have men of his own that would count for much when push comes to shove. So he is trying to use the enemy's men against themselves.Again I ask how can a Jonathan who is a featherweight (politics and military) survive onslaughts from the IBBS, IBORIs , SULTAN etc without getting some seasoned men albeit evil like OBJ and Danjuma on his side? tell me.


Dora submitted the controversial memo that hastened the hesitant NASS to act. Almost everyone applauded her here on NL. Now the CABAL has fought back asking for her resignation. Check the posts here and you will count scores of people who hailed her initially and now eating their words. Besides what good will it do Jonathan if he  has all the support here on NL and do nothing to rally men in "high places" behind him?


  I strongly think he will remove Dambazzau very soon with a more trusted soldier most likely Christian from the middle belt and probably push a hausa-fulani muslim to CNS  or CAS but he seems to be using this Gusau issue to build a case so that when he moves out the COAS , it will easily be explained as a case of national expediency and not necessarily religion,tribe or Yaradua. The task here was to remove MUKTAR which he did . He can even make the present Security adviser less relevant by subtly empowering parallel security details around him. But the point is Muktar is gone and gone for good. Like it or not it is a blow to UMYA camp.


Have you asked why someone like Yayale  and Sule lamido seem to be giving Jonathan some support lately? It is becuase the possibility of a VP slot stares them in the face and makes it easy to use them against certain organized groups. An ambitious Gusau may not be a bad idea afterall. He could be very useful in thwarting the moves of the IBBs to put himself in pole position. He will be taken care of later. This is definitely a better option rather than making a choice that will make it easy for the entire Northern bloc to aggregate energies and fight you.

@Gbawe

So for everything wey i talk na the only thing wey u see be that. I think you are missing the point I am trying to make here. _{Make i sleep abeg, I go answer u properly tommorow.}

anataala:
back to square ooooooooooooo?? goodluck, are u sure u are the acting president, or na baba aremu, cos u have not did  one positive thing as acting president, are u sure u know what u are doing and what the country needs frm u, as per as am concern u have fail us, cos i see no reason why u are recyling this rats, i believe may  be the are in thesame cult with Gen, gusau, shameless leader's, Dr for Nothing, cos u are not proactive infact u need deliverance,

And your point is?

Many of us seem not to understand the difficult position jonathan finds himself now. When you  have just 4 of the 36 governors on your side(this even excludes percieved southern  progressives like fashola and mimiko), your geopolitical region contributes some of your strongest opposition,you are not from one of the three major tribes,your political party has publicly voiced its unfavourable position,the north sees you as an enemy and has sufficient numbers to pull an impeachment through.


Then you will know that its not just the "aluta" approach that will see you through. When you fight a formidable IBB and traditional elements like the Emir that will come as far as to make inflamtory comments  on the wrongdoing of the COAS. then you know that having the OBJs,Danjuma and Gusau on your side is not a bad idea afterall.


Jonathan will definitely sack a lot of ministers very soon. The PAC is only a smokescreen , he knows those that have erred and will only validate his desires with a comprehensive report.

This job is a very delicate hence only a fool will bank on support of faceless men here on NL, who show courage only from the comfort of anonymity. The job requires a proper blend of TACT,MIGHT AND MOST IMPORTANTLY MEEKNESS.

Igwe: I think our Acting president has a much more bigger problem than we all thought.

HMMMMM. At least someone is now seeing the picture clearer.

adconline:
Naija is a jungle where religion is above everything even "God" COAS breached the costitution, he should be pardoned since he did not breach the Koran

TRUE TALK MY BRODA

The sultan has tactically made it an Islam affair.

I think the message is actually for Jonathan. He seems to be saying that if the COAS is removed then you would have wronged our religion. What a smart way of protecting their own.

My problem however is with the yorubas who are ready ally whenever the Core north wants to use religion to protect ethnic interest. The funny thing is even the yoruba Imams are not spared whenever these fulani's burn down churches.

bishop.o.o:
Laughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, chaiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii, the Ijaw man is just seeing what the Igbo man saw some 35 years ago.
Good to see that The Igbo man is the Audience now.

Nonsense. Is that what you were told? The Ijaw man saw it even before Ojukwu did. I do not intend to spark of any new debate along this line, I just want you to correct your records.

The quote below was made on feb 23 1966 to mark the beginning of the 12-day revolution against federal and regional government of the day. Do the arithmetic and tell me the time difference between this time and the beginning of the civil war.

“ Today is a great day, not only in your lives, but also in the history of the Niger Delta. Perhaps, it will be the greatest day for a very long time. This is not because we are going to bring the heavens down, but because we are going to demonstrate to the world what and how we feel about oppression….Remember your 70 year old grandmother who still farms to eat, remember also your poverty stricken people and then, remember too, your petroleum which is being pumped out daily from your veins, and then fight for your freedom”.

I think SOE in plateau is the first line of the second stanza of the Fulani song for now. That will not work.  OBJ blindly did that, but we now know better . Let the Middle-belters match these foolish fulanis force for force abeg. Infact let them take the battle to core fulani states ASAP.

If dem wan scatter everything make e scatter now now. wetin wan happen tomorrow make e start today.    

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You can tell that to children. We have moved past that level a long time ago. In cases like this, even a 2 year old can lift the veil and see Hausa-fulanis clearly.

There is no problem provided you guys know the implication of what you are trying. Just count the cost appropraitely . No man will lie low.

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I dont think so. While these jaw-breaking words are common with him , I think it is still easy to get the crux of whatever he is saying. You can check again.

These northerners are just making it easier to break this country. No wahala we will "cooperate" with them . Person wey do anyhow go see anyhow.

So Jonathan staying for the remaining one year is now an ARAM? no wahala.

OBJ always had the upper hand in all their duels . May IBB will be luckier this time.

For those begrudging this guy, please note that these Vocabs were of immense value in removing hair dresser Patricia ette, it also inflicted heart attack on one nothern honourable. Who ways this guy has not contributed. Sometimes if you cant convince people confuse them.

Did you guys see how the speaker simply 'begged' him when he attempted opening the deployment of soldiers saga?

On a serious note however, the guys views are to a large extent very very popular amongst progressives. He is still one of the few still supporting the passage of the FOI bill.

@ezeUche

First you need some education here that the War was a mixed bag. Some Ijaws fought on the Nigerian side while some others were with the biafran army. So using the war as premise to derail the thread and call for the extermination of Ijaws(if that is really possible) is weak.

Noted Adako Boro's approach did not go down well with the Igbo's. However also consider that  this man staged a mini-war 15 months before the civil war started, against regional and Federal troops for 12 days , in an attempt to seek social justice for the utter neglect of the core Ijaw communities .  To him then the regional government was more culpable than even the federal govt.

I would not want to derail this thread further  but an objective analysis will show clearly that there where mistakes on both sides. Delving on those mistakes except for corrective actions will only drag us far back.

Lets forge ahead. We have everything to gain by creating strategic alliances based on mutual respect.

the manner Nigerians sympathised with him during his trying period has humbled him the more and if given the opportunity he wants to reciprocate by giving Nigerians quality and good governance. The message of appreciation he sent to Nigerians conveys his emotion on the love Nigerians showed his family.

reciprocate? politicians sha.

chosen04: You are blinded by sentiments(the wrong doer is by sister, brother, kinsmen) that you can hardly see

"A prophet is not without honour except amongst his kinsmen".

Even Jesus performed the least miracles in Galilee because his kinsmen did not  believe in him  as outsiders did.

chosen04: So what happened to telling the LANDLORD "my father asked me to tell u that he is not at home" when asked to lie by our father. I did it when i was young. Expected same frank talk from her.

So in reporting matters of state an information minister should apply this your pattern?

At best what you hear from an office like hers is "reports reaching us suggest that . . . . . . . " thats it.

which kind "my father told me to tell u . . . . . " style? reporting state matters especially at national level is not as simplistic as u see it.

When she discovered that the source was only lying she reacted appropriately.

To a large extent i think the "Aluta" tendencies appear to be the disposition of most of us when we appraise national issues.

hillsate: To all who are confused and even insulting, its okay. But let me ask you.
1. On what ground did Goodluck redepoly Aandooka and couldnt redeploy other mnisters who he knows wont be loyal to him.

Because Aondokaa(how is it even spelt?) was the arrowhead of the legal fireworks against jonathan's acting presidency and he was doing this in his official capacity as the minister of justice and attorney general of the federation. Jonathan did not want to leave room for any legal embarassment from within the FEC. Redeploying other ministers will not make him get the two-third needed to declare UMYA unfit. It was only going to lead to further tension with little value to his desired end.

hillsate: 2. he has not uttered anything concerning the troops that were deployed to the airport for yaradua without his knowledge yet he is acclaimed to be commander in chief ( i wonder of what?)

As the man in charge now , I think Jonathan knows that he has little to benfit from tensions. What word do you want to hear from the president? Is that what leadership is? He sure will be accessing the situation to know what next to do but speaking is definitely not necessary. Yes for now.

3. he has every right to demand to see his boss and not being tossed about by the likes of turai.

This is a very sensitive issue and has to be approach tactfully, Besides even if he goes in there to see UMYA and finds that the man is a vegetable. what value will that add. The powers presently rest on the NASS and FEC to take decisions on UMYA and even if the process starts today you can be sure it will take another 2 months to see an impeachment through.

4. he needs to immediately dissolve the cabinet, retire all the service chiefs to move this country forward.
Jonathan needs to take a bold stand on what is happening.
Should i continue?

You dont approach military issues this way my friend, even ex-military men like OBJ do not approach issues like this rashly. I am sure Jonathan is consulting those that know the workings in the military to determine his next step.

On dissolving the cabinet, that will sure come in some subtle manner very soon, the panel to investigate contracts will nail many ministers soon

continue with what , if I may ask?

Fhemmmy:
The way a message is passed across determines if the person was/is lying or not.
When she was given the report, she could have said it then, like it was a report, not like she knew what she was saying.

She could have made all the noise longer than now.

And what do you mean by this statement? Did she say she went to SAUDI to see UMYA.  So you dont know that she was speaking publicly on the basis of reports she received and from sources she did not have reasons not to beleive then. As an information minister her initial reaction was spot on. She had a responsibility to calm everyone and douse tension. She only reacted when the games the CABAL was playing became clear to her. She simply chose the difficult path of not allowing herself be a part of those , history will record as having passed a dying president healthy.

@chosen04

Please quit this talk about "she is from my state I know her" whatever that means , it does not in anyway strengthen your argument. Alams is from my state, Jonathan is from my state,Timipre sylva is from my state, that does not validate claims of knowing them? PLEASE.

^^^^^^^ I dont think so. The guy is making some useless conclusions without any real premise.

hillsate:
Mr Acting President sir,
God just gave you a rare opportunity to print your name positively on the sand of time but i can see that you are only concerned about the name more than the task.
You cannot please everyone and the steps you have taken so far is a great disappointment to nigerians.

Let him explain what he means here.

chosen04: Our sister disappointed me 1st by speaking from the both sides of her mouth.

for the 1st 60 days of Yar'adua's AWOL. she lied to us about him returning soon. Then she changed the story when she discovered something was seriously wrong with Yaradua. Wont she still be lieing to us for that for the leaked info. to her that something was wrong with yaradua?

I hate cheap opportunist, crazy media attention seekers, cheap hero wannabes even if the person is my parents.

I gladly accept your decision and wish u well.

Dora is not the type of hero i desired. She screwed up my faith and truth in her when she 'started rebranding dead woods'

First I was one of those that voiced my slight discomfort at Dora's statement when she said "The president was stolen into the country in the dead of the night" . Sometimes even for good jobs like this there has to be some moderation.

However I am greatly  pained  that someone would summarise Dora's contributions in this UMYA saga the way you have done. Ha make we fear God na. Yes some of us did not really like her before this drama started but that should not colour our appraisal of the journey so far.

Dora in the first 60 days was only displaying official optimism as required of her office , expecially when the only source of information then  on UMYA was his cabinet core loyalists who had painted a picture of hope based on reports they got. Even the press was fooled then.

She was forced to stake all and voice her opinion when it was glaring that the nation was heading towards chaos. If a woman  advanced past all the cowardly/silent majority(men) and made moves that hastened the strides of  the rather hesistant NASS and you call that cheap oppotunism? OMG

Dora quite know the implications of what she did, that in the worst case it could cost her life. If she did all these just to listen to her inner voice of reason at the risk of everything, and you call that cheap? ABEG TELL US WHAT COSTLY OPPORTUNISM LOOKS LIKE? ABEG.

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Thank you jare. people will not just look at issues objectively.

hillsate: Mr Acting President sir,
God just gave you a rare opportunity to print your name positively on the sand of time but i can see that you are only concerned about the name more than the task.
You cannot please everyone and the steps you have taken so far is a great disappointment to nigerians. You have to be your own man. You are yet to proove your self a leader. You did not become acting president by mistake, God took you there for a reason; to cause a paradigm shift in the affairs of nigeria but sir, you are towing the path of failures. What exactly is the problem sir? You are a graduate with a Phd, with your educational upbringing and experience in the four walls of a university you cannot afford to allow some near illiterates dictate your direction and pace. Mr acting president sir, you still have some time to redeem yourself and do the right thing. Believe it or not, the name YARADUA has already been soiled, yours may tow thesame line. When the chips are down, and very soon they'll be i hope it wont be too late then. PLEASE MR ACTING PRESIDENT, DO WHAT IS RIGHT AND NOT WHAT IS RITE.
WAKE UP . . . .  SMELL THE COFFEE . ,  .

And this post makes sense to you?

Can you be more coherent and say  the areas you feel he has not done well and how he could have bettered his rating?

yemmight: I disagree with u. U saw that of Anambra, u saw that of Edo and Ondo.  What do yu expect from Oyo in 2010? what about the pending Osun and Ekiti.  We all know PDP are on the verge of total destruction and collapse because thier root is fool of evil and it can't rein for too long a time.  We are all waiting!

For Edo and Ondo, it was the overwhelming popularity of Adams and Mimiko that saw them suceed, which is different from the scenario you seem to be painting that people voted against PDP. For Anambra we all know that there are a lot of questions to ask ,,  ,  . . . . .  We all seem to want to condone irregularities in elections provided it is not PDP that benefits from such.  Akala should loose to any credible candidate , if the opposition pays attention to the structure of Oyo politics.

What am I saying? The elections and voting should be based on the strength and "credibility" of the candidates and not necessarily because  we want to vote PDP out.

Sullivan Chime is a PDP governor, without any form of rigging, everyone knows how thorny the path will be for any opposition candidate to defaet him. Theodore Orji is of the PPA and we all know that a not- too-impressive PDP candidate would give  him a tough fight in the next election. why? because of performance.

Ohakim won the elections as a PPA candidate and we were quick to celebrate the spread of power accross different party lines , though he has moved to PDP , we all hear the different allegations against him. Is it becuase he is in PDP ? Definitely not but becuase of his person.

With the performance of fashola in lagos  one would ordinarily expect the he is free from the arm twisting antics of political Godfathers as is common in PDP, but NO , Tinubu would not allow him breathe.

Is Tinubu a PDP man? Or the fact that he  is of the opposition means we can overlook  or applaud his greedy/selfish agenda?



In Edo state today , people are decamping from PDP to AC, is it based on political ideology or mere greed? If Oshiomole looses next election all these people will return.

I would ordinarily want  PDP to implode as that will open up the political space, but please lets drop the philosophy of celebrating evil/mediocrity provided it is anti-PDP.

desgiezd:
Its not only in Ogun that PDP is loosing stamina but in the whole nation, the issue of Yar Adua, I believe is the last straw that'll break PDP's back.

My broda , as much as I do hate PDP, it is evident that the other parties are not fundamentally different.

Secondly the other parties do not have the kind of structure and spread that PDP enjoys, hence the opposition will seemingly be swimming against the tide to make any impact.

see me see comedy.


So partymen can now set margin's for people's movement within the country? what an impish utterance. . . . . Well I remember  some years back  even Tinubu lawlessly  said something similar to Fayose after thugs harassed him in Ekiti . . . . . .Lawlessness begets lawlessness.  

Any fair minded person in any of the "rescued" banks will readily acknowledge that the CEOs were really reckless. But it is common knowledge that the excessiveness was more of an industry-wide thing. Soludo sensed this and and started the correction process.

Yes sanusi intervened and gave all the reasons why he had to, but recent revelations as touching the path to recovery for these banks clearly show that SANUSI HAS A MORE SERIOUS AGENDA which is very far from "national good" or "depositor protection " that he mouths off easily.

Warri man say "na teh e go teh, one day stammerer must call him mama name"

The pro-sanusi guys need only picture what the assessment will look like 1 year after he leaves office , I mean even if his replacement is another aboki. The guy just dey pull stunt and heat up the system to cover up for the defieciencies he has in modern economic management.

I no wan talk too much.

So if he can walk albeit slowly, why have they not allowed his mother to see him?

bockey:
Jonathan should stop playing a coward. If he is not fit, let him go to Saudi or Somewhere and rest. There are many Nigerians who are more competent than him, simple. Jonathan is simply a confussed, yaraduarized, turairized and obasanjorised coward ; .

And on what basis are you making these claims ,if I may ask?