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DanXplore:
You forgot to mention that false 9 is reserved for the most skillful. Messi has been rated the best false 9 of all time.

Messi is the best false 9 of all time and nobody has been able to perform as good as he has done in that role no doubt.
However, if strikers and CFs are being mentioned, Messi does not enter top 10 CF's of all times.

DanXplore:
Ok since you do not like indians, here is a quote from an american.
"A False 9 is a decoy centre forward in a side deliberately set up without a dedicated striker." - Greg

The word "decoy" is key. He is a CF but his job is to deceive.

I am not a professional footballer either ( played for my school team though) but a Chemical Engineer, an Accountant and a Computer Programmer as well.

Go and learn good football.

At bolded, quite impressive!
At least you have impressed me today with the bolded.
Where are you? Let me come and learn.

DanXplore:
All this your anger is just because your Penaldo will not smell balon d'or this year. I have attached one transformer for you to hug.

Hahahahaha
I am more into Messi than you. You will just be making someone to be looking for Messi's trouble anyhow.
The truth is that, we are lucky to see Messi and Ronaldo play.

DanXplore:
CF is CF whether decoy or dedicated. It is about formation and stratrgy.

Well, that is your view bro.
I do not regard CF as CF
There is a main CF role reserved for players like Ronaldo De Lima, Ibrahimovic, Drogba, Suarez, Henry etc.
There is a decoy CF role called (False 9) reserved for players like Messi who aren't as physically strong and powerful like the earlier ones mentioned.
It is easier for the first set of people(players) I mentioned to switch between the 2 roles. However, Messi can at best play as a decoy and never as a main CF.

DanXplore:
This was quoted verbatim from quora

Eg - Cristiano is a winger naturally but has played as a false no 9.

Messi is a winger but played as a false no 9 under Pep Guardiola.

207 views" - Shaad Shaikh, 2019.

I am done responding to you in regards to CF and false 9. You've already made a big fooll of yourself. Let me read through the 1st set of comments to attend to other silly remarks you made. Watch this space

Yeah Ronaldo plays as a false 9 several times and takes up the CF role as well several times even with Benzema being there. So, what's the fuss all about?
The point is that,the best Messi ever played is a false 9. He has never played as a 9 or CF.
I know it hurts knowing your diminutive hero lacks the characteristics of a classical Centre Forward. Ndo!!

DanXplore:
Only the changes made were additions and not subtractions. Dig for the post where i mentioned that Messi played as the CF-main striker. If i could recall correctly, i kept emphasizing that He played CF as a false 9...even though how ever you look at it, playing as a false 9 could actually mean he is the main striker nevertheless.

In 1 single post you listed how Messi can play as a cf,amf,cmf BLA BLA BLA
In the same post under another number, you stated how he plays as a false 9 as well.
If you meant he plays as a CF decoy, you would have clearly stated it in the post . Or
Were your listings made to just increase the numbers and points you wanted to make?

DanXplore:
Trust me when I say I am not impressed with your local football career. I am just surprised at two things.

1. You claim to b3 a professional footballer and yet you do not know the roles properly.
2. You cannot read and comprehend even after literally spoon feeding you with the facts.

Read what was wrote but this time, read it slowly. Perhaps you might understand it.

On a lighter note, I just saw the Indian you quoted from quora and attached the picture
It is so amusing you had to go and quote an indian for back-up
Anyway, you should have attached his entire write-up where he emphasized same things I have been saying...where he clearly stated that Messi lacks the abilities to play as a CF(9). Hence, his being deployed as a decoy.

I am not a professional footballer. I am a computer programmer. However, I have played football in the past and I've been at Pepsi in my teenage years

DanXplore:
Read the circled carefully.

Your confusion: CF means "stay at the front"
False 9 only a strategy employed by a CF

Enjoy your delusion.

A CF is more static than a false 9 and that is the point I have been trying to make. Not necessarily to stay in front but more of a poacher with less liberty and mobility to drop to midfield and roam around.I told you how tough it was for me as a CF as all eyes will be on you and you get hacked down so easily. When I played as a false 9, I had more liberty to roam and became less susceptible to being hacked down/ being man marked. The main essence of the false 9 role is to leave the CBs confused..the moment they identify you as a CF, you are in great trouble.

DanXplore:
You've succeeded in making me dig down the web for evidence. I have provided surplus. Now, can you prove to me with evidence that Messi has never played the centre foward role?


Source: Wikipedia

Your post only validates my claim about dropping to the midfield to stringe plays together.
The false 9, in some ways similar to a more advanced attacking midfielder/playmaker role, is an unconventional lone striker or centre-forward, who drops deep into midfield. The purpose of this is that it creates a problem for opposing centre-backs who can either follow the false 9, leaving space behind them for onrushing midfielders, forwards or wingers to exploit, or leaving the false 9 to have time and space to dribble or pick out a pass.
I hope you read the part that clearly states the word "unconventional". That is enough for anyone to understand that the false 9 role is totally different from the CF role
And that is wiki post too.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_(association_football)

DanXplore:
This is Pep's formation, using Messi as the false 9 (CF). Don't let the arrows fool you but as mentioned earlier, Pedro or Sanchez/Villa are false wingers who either attack as messi draws the defence away or gives Messi room to attack centrally.

Never have I argued with an unintelligent fellow.

I asked you to state a match where Messi played as a CF, not to show me counters. What match was this and what was his achievement in that role?
Is this too difficult to comprehend?
If you can provide the formation you should be able to provide the match as well. I asked for the match where Messi was the CF. That is what I asked you for and not counters.
Since yesterday, I have been asking you to state a match where Messi was the CF and his achievement in such roles

DanXplore:
Are you really so dumb or are you just trying hard to be one because if you are really trying to be dumb, then you have done a good job so far. I never said messi played CF as the main striker. I said he played CF as a false 9 and you said false 9 is not CF

Did you not say Messi plays CF in one of your posts?
In the same post , you said he plays the false 9 role too.
If you hadn't distinguished these 2 roles, you would not have splitted the points. You splitting the points in your write-up means you acknowledge that they are 2 different things.
I hope you will not have gone to re-edit the post.
If what you meant was him taking the false 9 role as a CF, why would you post in different numbers?
Keep going back and forth!

DanXplore:
The bolded is just too silly. It is like asking me to mention a match that Ronaldo playerd CF I cannot even mentioned any match where Messi played SS cause I don't occupy my precious mind with frivolities like you. I just know the stats and other key variables needed for me to analyse my games well. I have given you a link already that summarises Messi. Your unbelief will not change the fact.

Well, case dismissed since you hve failed to refer to just 1 match out of over 600 matches to back up your claim. Next time, do not write things you are not sure of. Messi has never played as a CF(9). As a SS,YES! As an AMF, Yes! and some other roles. As a CF, no! no! no!

DanXplore:
I can edit and re-edit my post as I like. I will even re-edit this one if I need to add more info in future and if you don't like it, then go suck a lemon. There's nothing you can do about it.

No! Such attitude shows deceit particularly when the first post has been responded to.

DanXplore:
What else do you want me to do or do you think I am as jobless as you are as to memorise the date the exact CF-false 9 matches played by Messi?

Keep on being clever by half by tagging CF to false 9 role.
If he had played as a CF severally like you claim, a simple google search should be able to find out just 1 match where Messi played as a Centre Forward. You do not necessarily have to memorise anything. If you are a football enthusiast like you claim, you should be able to recall at least 1 match where he was the CF.
Humour me! I am waiting.
Stop quoting me if you do not have any reference / if you won't be referring to just 1 match where he played as a CF. Messi has played more than 600 matches, this should not be too difficult for you and you delusional colleagues.

DanXplore:
I have told you severally na @bolded. Messi played CF (false 9) for the most part for Pep. You to my amazement, you made perhaps the greatest blunder since yesterday by claiming false 9 is not CF but AMF (10). I told you that I will expose your stupidity and that is what I am doing. I am not trying to convince you to believe anything really, I just wany you to come to the painful but true realisation that you are daft.

What else do you want me to do or do you think I am as jobless as you are as to memorise the date the exact CF-false 9 matches played by Messi?

Go and quote where I said the false 9 is an AMF .
I think your memory is failing to serve you well. For the records, a false 9 does not play a more static CF role and drops deep even into midfield if need be. Messi plays this role perfectly and what I told you is that he can play as SS,AMF etc but never as a CF. Messi has never played as a CF. Yesterday, I asked you to refer to any match where he was the CF and to state what his achievement was in that role. Up till now, you are still dancing in circles.
REFER TO JUST 1 MATCH WHERE MESSI PLAYED AS A CENTRE FORWARD
Do I need to communicate to you in your local dialect before you do this very simple task?

DanXplore:
I have told you severally na @bolded. Messi played CF (false 9) for the most part for Pep. You to my amazement, you made perhaps the greatest blunder since yesterday by claiming false 9 is not CF but AMF (10). I told you that I will expose your stupidity and that is what I am doing. I am not trying to convince you to believe anything really, I just wany you to come to the painful but true realisation that you are daft.

What else do you want me to do or do you think I am as jobless as you are as to memorise the date the exact CF-false 9 matches played by Messi?

Oga, why do you find it difficult to understand simple English.
MENTION 1 MATCH WHERE MESSI WAS THE CENTRE FORWARD
Messi played as a false 9 several times but never as the Centre Forward (CF-main striker).
MENTION JUST 1 MATCH WHERE MESSI WAS THE CF

DanXplore:
1. The first bold is the most stupid thing i have heard from an analyst. How can false 9 be AMF or SS? AMF is 10 and SS is 8...so how can 9 be 10 or 8? Are you saing false 9 is 'true' 10?

Keep on re- editing your posts whenever you gather your thoughts together. This part was not part of what I initially responded to...I am just seeing this.
To start with, Messi has never played as a 9. So, your question about how a 9 can play 8 or 10 does not hold water. Messi has played 8 and has played 10 several times but as a 9, he has never played as a 9(CF). He has also played as a SS. So, the point you raising here does not hold water.
Mention just 1 match where Messi played as a Centre Foward (CF)
How can this be so difficult??

DanXplore:
I am so enjoying this. You could have easily googled for 'positions played by Messi' instead of confidently asserting that he has never played centre forward...but keep it on. I am actually enjoying it. We are having a good laugh in the office.

Look at this link.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/lionel-messi/profil/spieler/28003

[/b]I never thought I'll bring myself to say this but you are actually very foollish.

Look at the third picture. What do you think?

At bolded, if you cannot take the heat, you should have left the kitchen. Not only are you foolish but very stupid. I asked you a simple question to state a match; just 1 match where Messi was the CF or played as a CF but you have been busy dribbling in circles.
Why not ask your foolish colleagues to help you out in finding just 1 match where Messi was the CF or played as a CF.
Desist from quoting me again if you cannot point to any match where he played as a CF .That is more realistic and that was what I asked of you. In this age of internet, it should not be too difiicult for you to bring out any match where he was deployed as a CF. I hope this time around, it will not take you hours to dig it up like you did before you saw a website that says his other position can be a centre forward .

Now, run along and ask your colleagues to bail you out.

shadrach77:
Thanks for posting this. I was so touched by it I had to post it on my Facebook.

I really like his "Good Morning". That's his best track in my own opinion

He is the real definition of what a musician is, not all this guys who sing to studio/producer induced beats

Very nice track...the opening line is quite deep if you understand Yoruba..................abere a lo (the needle will go on continuously), ki ona okun o to di ( before the thread's pathway is tied or becomes blocked). A o ni de bawon, eni bani kama de o (it is those who wish evil for us enroute our trips that we will not meet when we get back).........very deep track and you need to listen to it with a good earpiece. The back ground alone leaving him all alone (in a dark background )to himself speaks volume about the entire theme of the song which is about keeping things to yourself. How about the insane piano play on it and the choral themed beats? This is an excellent work of art.
I doff my hat for Brymo!

DanXplore:
Another round of laughter for me.
1. What position does a false 9 play? AMF, CF, SS, LWF, RWF, or CMF?

2. If you are familiar with Arsenal, please tell me what position Van Persie Played under Wanger

Keep on re-editing your post after getting schooled online. This is not about Van Persie. Anyway, to answer your question, Van Persie played as a false 9 severally under Arsene Wenger whenever he(Arsene Wenger) wants to field another striker in the form of Bendtner and the likes.

DanXplore:
Another round of laughter for me. What position does a false 9 play? AMF, CF, SS, LWF, RWF, or CMF?

Stop trying to be clever by half. Messi cannot play and has never played as a CF. If you have any match where he played as a centre forward, state the match and let us check it out. This should not be too much for you to dig up. Should it?
Having said that, to answer your question, a false 9 is not the same as a CF. A false 9 can drop deep into the midfield to orchestrate play and can give defence splitting passes as well and can score if the opportunity arises. A false 9 can be an AMF, a SS and can take up a free role depending on the formation and what the coach wants to achieve. Messi has never played as a CF and lacks the basic characteristics of a Cf as earlier explained to you with reasons. If you do not still understand, you can go read "football tactics for beginners".

Happy birthday Brymo. Your "Banuso" track still remains one of my best

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5BbnO9bviY

DanXplore:
I just had another good laugh. I cannot remember the year exactly but I am sure if i dig it out i will find it. Messi played False 9 with Villa and Petro as False wingers. Pep had to stop because his opponents learnt how to counter it hence messi had to relocate to Right SS. Even at that, he was mostly free roaming.

Asking what Messi achieved playing as CF-False 9 is not any less ridiculous as asking what Ronaldo has achieved in his career.

Listen and listen good. Messi being deployed as a false 9 is totally different from Messi playing as a Centre Forward.
I repeat!
Messi has never never never played as a CF and the reasons are audible to the deaf and visible to the blind.
Messi cannot play as a Centre Forward due to some of the following reasons;

1. Centre forwards are tall, possess great aerial abilities and usually have powerful physique( this was why I did not play that role for long because of my physique).

2. With Mess's kind of physique, it will be very difficult for wingers to find him in-between very large defenders.

3. Centre forwards are ruthless and have a straight-on approach towards the ball, they are poachers and dribble less. Unfortunately this does not suit Messi's kind of style.

These are just few reasons why he cannot play as a CF. This does not mean that he is not good but the CF role does not suit him in anyway. However, as a supporting striker, yes! As a false 9, yes! but as a Centre Forward? That will be a "football saigai"

DanXplore:
You implied it in your comment else why else were you sounding confused?

Try not to be angry when someone with experience points out your folly. Fill the gaps of your ignorance from the well of free knowledge and wisdom dished out to you. If you don't learn now on this faceless forum, you might disgrace your self in public in future

Go and quote anywhere in my post where I sounded confused about it. I should be the one to school you when it comes to football because I played ball and was even at Pepsi. Who does not know what the false 9 role is all about? In fact, I have played the role countless times because I lacked the physique of a typical striker and was deployed there so that defenders won't keep too much of an eye on me through aggresive man-marking. I go forward when due and track back sometimes with a free role. I only asked you a simple question of when Messi played as a CF and his achievement in that role. That's all I asked and the essence of the question is to correct your impression about Messi being excellenet as a CF. I have never seen Messi play as a CF............he has played as a supporting striker before and as an attacking midfielder most times but as a CF, I have never seen him in that role. The onus is therefore on you to point to the match Messi played as a CF and his achievement in such role. That was all I asked of you.

DanXplore:
I will continue to reply you so that you keep exposing your ignorance and silliness for readers to enjoy. Nine(9) is traditionally 'main forward' and is a 'position' whereas false 9 is not a position but an attacking strategy. In false 9, a centre forward fools the defenders by drawing them into the field thereby creating opening in the defence resistance. Thinking CF and False 9 to be the same is like saying bearing and running are the same. OMG you are so dumb.

I really do not have time to reply every single of claims. I will only respond to the one i feel is the dumbest among the many. Patiently waiting for your next comment

You are the idiot. Where did I say Cf and False 9 is the same.
Were you not the one that claimed Messi plays as a CF sometimes? I asked a simple question that you should refer to when he played as a Cf and his achievement in that role and you are beating about the bush. Continue fooling yourself.

DanXplore:
I will only comment on the first two issues you raised just to show you how silly your arguement is.
First of all, attacking LMF and LWF are synonyms and could be used interchangeably. Secondly, you asked for the outcome of Messi playing as a CF either as though you have never seen him play in that position or you are implying he did a bad job in that position. Response was preemptive to the implicit message. It has become apparent to me that you are either confused or do not understand football. FYI, Messi played the CF as a false 9 severally during Pep's tenure as coach and his performance was superb.

I will leave the other issues unattended as I am still not convinced you really understand or at least play football.

You are indeed a clown. You said he played CF as a false 9 yet in your previous post you opined that there is a great difference between CF and a false 9. When you stop being confused, let me know. Anyway, as a centre forward, Ronaldo and Messi should never mentioned in the same sentence because he dwarfs Messi on that role and he is a beast in that position. As for the remainder of my write-up, of course, you cannot have a valid response because what is there is the plain truth. If you feel otherwise, point out which one is not true.

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