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Iamzuna: Its your opinion and i respect it.... But mine still remains that Messi is the better dribbler

Okay. Your opinion too.

Iamzuna: By stating these points you are supporting me that Messi is better than Ronaldo because you have left the comparison and now starting to criticize Messi... Please compare!!!

I don drink cold water but sleep no catch me...

I am not criticizing Messi but just trying to disprove your points of saying Messi singlehandedly won matches by giving you examples of matches he couldn't even smell significance talkless of single handedly wim not to talk of multi handedly. Your little magician failed and I exoect you to take back the point you said that " messi siglehandedly wins matches". As you can see, it has been trashed into the bins. *winks

Iamzuna: Then i still state it that Messi dribble better and more than Okocha

Then I still state it that Okocha is a better dribbler than Messi. Messi is a hit and run dribbler, Okocha isn't . Okocha will make you settle before dribbling you effortlessly. If you like, you may go and queue and come back again, he will do it iver and over again .

@iamzuna, there is nothing like "football skills". There are different types of football skills and dribbling is one of them, be specific! It is wrong to say Okocha has more football skills but he is not a better dribbler.

[quote author=Krasid][/quote]There couldn't have been a better way of disproving his points than those pictures. They are hilarious too

Iamzuna: Lovely question there. As much as i it hurts me that Messi didnt score, i will ask you to watch those games again and see that Messi had 3 to 4 players on him anytime the ball gets to him

You statement is so contradictory to your argument. You initially said Messi whisks past 5,6 opponents and is unstoppable. I gave you the Bosingwa example where he couldn't even go past an ordianry Bosingwa and another fellow has given you the Atletico example and yet you failed to reply promptly. Again, I ask, where was Messi during those 6 games against Atletico Madrid?

Iamzuna: ....(i must commend Atleti cos they did that well) and thats when Barca needs some1 else to step up and take the pressure off Messi, but 4where?

Why should they need someone else to step up . Were you not the same person that said Messi can siglehandedly win games??


You are just going back and forth and nullifying your previous arguments as clearly shown above. I think you need to take a cold glass of water and go to bed.

@ Fixgoo, photoshoped images are not allowed.

Iamzuna: Mr Naturalwaves.. Nice points you have raised here and now i can see you are trying to deviate (sic) from the strong points you mentioned before when debating with another Messi fan. I will explain further just to prove to you that your are right with some points and biased with others.

I will still state it again here that you dont watch La Liga maybe you watch only the high profile matches. Still trying to say that Messi's goal is not similar to Maradonna's is suicidal because try and maybe download the highlight of that goal and download Maradonna's goal and tell me the difference (if not maybe the opponent, jersey and maybe their hairs cos Messi was on Long hairs then). That goal is the same as Maradonna's and Messi did beat everyone (about 5-6) opponent on his way before beating the goal keeper and putting the ball in the net. I expected you to try and see the goal before coming to comment but you didnt, so i would like you to go back and try to watch that goal and see the distance Messi started from. Maradonna is arguable the best footballer to play football (thats when not considering how he ended his career) and Maradonna was not known for heading balls into the net (nodding as you will proudly say) and was not known to hamma rocket shots that would tear the net (like you are proudly repeating it) but instead Maradonna was a talented player that carried his teams just the way Messi is doing now. Now i wont talk about Ronaldo here but please imagine Messi does not play for Barcelona for the rest of the season (God forbid bad tin).

Now talking about Okocha's fluke (i will keep repeating this because i have been saying this for more than 10 years now), did you even see the buildup to the goal or you just saw a player being indiscipline and you take that as greatness. Sorry Mr thats not how football works. In the build up to that goal, the ball was worked down from the middle and a pass was give to Okocha just to slot the ball in the net but what happened, he started dribbling everyone as if taking a simple shot will not score. Maybe you didnt notice that his teammates started celebrating when the pass got to him and then they all stopped to watch (like say na cinema) before he was finally able to slot the ball into the net. Even his coach then said that if Okocha had not scored, he would have been punished. Now my friend thats not greatness, that is what is called SAKA... You can clearly remember kanu's goal against Chelsea and how it is still been shown even until now, that goal was great because he did what was impossible and he was aware of what was needed from him (to score and not to Saka) because he could have easily decided to take on 2 defenders and do something special as you may want it but no, he cleverly curled the ball into the net and that goal will be celebrated till (i no know o). So you cannot change the fact that Okocha's goal to me will always remain normal and i will still label it a fluke.

Mr Naturalwaves you can decide your best goal of all time, and that will be in your pocket if Okocha's own dey because you cannot force Fifa to take yours because i concur with the goals i have been seeing among the best goals of all time tho everyone has his own opinion but ontop this Okocha goal, na only you i don see dey rate am among ooo.

Okocha can dribble very well, Yes i agree but dribbling and skills in football is a sport on its own, we have entertainers and jugglers that even have competitions for their skills. So if its all about skills then Robinho, Denilson, Okocha and a whole lot of other players would have been the best players in the world but its not all about your skills. Nigerians see Okocha as unlucky but i see him as not wise because it is not by dribbling 10 players that you become the best and that is the reason he did not win the African Player of the Year award. I just dont want to argue further on this one so that make people no talk say my own too much but I will say it clearly that there is no way on earth that Okocha is a better dribbler that Messi. You can say he has skills more than Messi o but there is no way he is a better dribbler. Now all of you might want to take me on this one but i understand we are all Nigerians and we will never see beyond our Noses. The earlier you realize that Kanu was and still is the best player to come out from the country, then you will stop mentioning Okocha to me (I respect the guy and he is one of the best attacking Midfielders).

Now about the goals, i wont write the point you said i always write but i will take you to that same season you are talking about when Ronaldo was top scorer. Do you know that Messi and Ronaldo were both tied with same number of goals (i cant recall now) before Messi got injured that season, and when he came back he was rested by Pep for the remaining games just so he will stay fit for the UCL final with Man United. I am just reminding you because i support both players and i follow then keenly. that season they finished both with 53 or so goals total but Ronaldo scored more in the league and Messi in Other competitions. No doubt Ronaldo played well that season but Messi bettered him.

I will not argue about Blatter and Platini because they are both politicians and they are not the best players to grace the game of football. Maybe you didnt follow the politics that lead to Ronaldo winning the Ballon 'or dor. If Blatter hates Ronaldo then why did he apologize for making a joke and also postpone the deadline date for voting just so Ronaldo can play the play-off games, Why has Blatter or Platini not been saying bad things about Ronaldo if they dont like or prefer him like you said. I dont mean that Pele hates Messi, but he is not a fan and he is looking for every possible means to criticize Messi.

I remember when Benzema and Hugian were injured under Mourinho and Ronaldo was called upon to play CF, na hin we begin see chairman dey flop ooo.. 1 of those games i clearly remember when Madrid were beaten by Uche's team, thank God say Hugian come back from injury fast. So much for Ronaldo playing GK, RB, LB, CB, CM, AM, RF, LF, CF

Football is a team sport and thanks for reminding me. Now i understand you might have not watched Maradonna play or better still get his tapes otherwise you will understand the term "single handedly". Ohhh wait you dont need any of that because you are already seeing it live now, what you see Messi doing now was what Maradonna used to do then. I will just try to point out a match for you and i will rest my case. Remember in UCL Barca vs PSG, what happened in the game why was a Messi who was not fully fit brought on when Barca conceded?

Hey sir, let me quickly address the points you have raised.





Again, I never said Messi's goal wasn't similar to Maradona's . There is a difference between goal similarity and a goal being better. I think Maradona's own was better. I think Maradona's own was better( #my opinion#) , so stop using that "similarity" word.





Talking about Okocha. His intentions is none of anybody's business and what ever his intentions were has nothing to do with his dribbling skills. The most important thing was that he eventually put the ball at the back of the net. Take it or leave it, when it comes to dribbling, Okocha dwarfs Messi; I stated the reasons in my previous post. Note: This doe not imply that he is better than Messi as a footballer.




I didn't say Okocha's goal is one of the best goals of all time. I only told you that there is no recognised body for deciding such. You can put your own garbage on the net too and call it "best goals of all time".





Talking about the Blatter point, if he doesn't have some reservations concerning Ronaldo, why make such an expensive joke in the first place? He actually apologized due to the media pressure.



Finally, your Messi will not be the first to be played unfit. Several players have done it. Zidane had malaria and a knee injury at the 2002 world cup, they needed a win badly in their last group game and he was asked to come up like that. Even Oliseh has done same and so on. There is this popular saying then that, "a half fit Drogba is better than a fully fit Torres".So, that a half fit Messi was asked to come up from the bench is no point at all .

Iamzuna: From the above and all the points you have raised, i have concluded that you are new to la liga and you only watched last season in la liga. 1st saying Messi has not scored a goal similar to Maradonna's shows you are biased and not even ready to get your facts before concluding. Against Villareal wen Messi was 23 or so he scored a goal that was exactly and even better than Maradona's and has scored even better goals.

A better goal would be one he dribbled from his own box till he scored. Any other type is not better. Moreover , I didn't say he has not scored a similar goal to that of Maradona, stop quoting me out of context. I only said Maradona's solo goal was better considering the distance he started from and the number of opposing players involved.

Iamzuna: Talking about Okocha's fluke, only Nigerians rememba that goal

I think you need to go check the dictionary meaning of a "fluke".

Iamzuna: ..... because apart from Nigeria i have never seen that highlight amongst best goals of all tym

Which body officially decides which goal(s) should belong to the best goals of all time? You can compile your own junk and put it on the internet too. Your obsession with Messi is just too much. If you don't know, Okocha is a better dribbler than Messi. Messi dribbles on the run but Okocha will make you settle down, face him and even realise the fact that you are about to be dribbled yet, you will still get dribbled. Okocha's goal was never a fluke okay? Stop being sentimental.

Iamzuna: So about high profile header goals, na yansh Messi take score against Man U for finals of UCL abi.

You don't still get this point, do you? I never said he can't use his head, stop being funny, come on, which footballer doesn't know how to nod? That's academy basics but aerially, some are better than others and as it stands at the moment only very few footballers if any, is better than Ronaldo in the air and yes! Ronaldo no be Messi mate for air.

Iamzuna: ..... Like i stated b4 here when debating with a strong Ronaldo fan, Ronaldo had 2 goals last season before Messi got injured with 8 goals. Ronaldo had 28 goals when Messi fully came back to end the season on 28 goals and Ronaldo end with 31.

I see you really like this point so much with the way you have been hammering on it. The fact that he was leading on goal tally before he was injured does not necessarily imply that he will lead on the goal tally, just happened like that. Moreover, there was a season Messi didn't take an injury break and Ronaldo still got a better number of goals. How long was Messi's injury ? Half of the season?

Iamzuna: .....Now just Imagine Messi was 100 fit also not forgetting that when he came back from injury he was keeping himself for the WC couple with bad coaching where he was played entirely out of position

How can you say Barcelonia has a bad coaching? He was played out of position you said? Was he played in defence or as a defensive midfielder or as a goal keeper? So, your Messi isn't flexible in all the forward roles? Give me a forward position that Ronaldo can't play? He can play LWF, RWF, AMF, CF and still cope pretty well. This your point isn't good enough at all, it is a minus to Messi.

Iamzuna: I am only saying this to let you know why Ronaldo had a better season also not forgetting that his feeders were in the form of their lives. In Madrid Ronaldo is fed goals and i just wish both players would switch clubs and see just how Messi would become a god in Madrid because Madrid has a more balanced team and dont look to Ronaldo when they are down.

Okay, they look forward to Benzema, this is no point.

Iamzuna: Now you said because Ronaldo scores Rocket shots he is way better, i respect Ronaldo for his shots and its because of these attributes he has that we are comparing both players. You will agree with me that if Ronaldo does not have these attributes then we wud be comparing him with Nani and not Messi, and if messi has what Ronaldo has with what he has then there will be no need to compare. Now please if you want to compare both players dont watch highlights or 'best of Ronaldo vs best of Messi' but please watch both players play and you will see the difference.

I didn't say Ronaldo is way better cos he has rocket shots o. I said Ronaldo has more shot power than Messi which means he is better than Messi with long range shots and everyone knows that.

Iamzuna: Do you know that Pele hates Messi and has been looking for some1 he can say is better than Messi? 1st he did it using your Ronaldo but Messi bettered Ronaldo by far and also tried saying Neyma was better and changed saying Neyma is 4 d future, so i dont know where you got ur facts from because they can mislead those who dnt know. I love gud football and love both players but the truth must be told. Even Ronaldo said its the competition with Messi thats making him outdo himself but Messi and everyone close to him say that he has not gotten to his best, so you just imagine when he is at his best

Do you know also, that Blatter and Platini hates Ronaldo? Come one, stop saying things that have no proofs . Saying someone is better doesn't mean hate okay? Or do you think I hate Messi cos I feel Ronaldo is better? No. I am a huge fan of Messi too.

Iamzuna: Now can you count for me the number of games Ronaldo has single handedly won for Madrid?

No sir, I can't count the number of matches he single handedly won but I can count the number of ones he multi handedly won . Listen, in any team sport particularly football, there is nothing like "single handedly" , wasn't it someone that passed him the ball? You can as well ask his team mates to go sit on the bench cos he can win matches single handedly. Smh. That single handedly term has been overly abused, stop adding to it.

freeradical: Its a shame that a pretty young lady like yourself cannot take the pain to read.

Bros, did you just say "pretty"? . Well, if most ladies could upgrade the contents in their brain half the way they upgrade their hairstyles, a bulk of them would be scholars. Their hairstyles are always due for an upgrade but never their brains.

Nice expository essay, well written, fantastic piece and yet, just a single like. Smh.

mcdreeezy: Ok bro, Chelsea the arrogant club. Thank God Man Utd is recoverin so they can treat Chelsea's fvck up

Hahahahahahah, are chelsea fans really loud mouthed? Well, the current chelsea squad is one of the best assemblage of players. If they can play together for three years, the achievements will be awesome. I am most happy for Eden Hazard, he has less work load now and can always be used as a joker unlike last season.

mcdreeezy: Ronaldo is not brilliant anymore, he stopped bein brilliant when he left Man Utd... Are you a Real Madrid fan?

@he stopped being brilliant after he left Manchester United. Guy, you so funny. I don't think he stopped being brilliant, I think it is due to the variation in pattern of plays of football clubs and the club's philosophy. These players always try to just blend in into different patterns and that alone is "brilliance".The way Neymar Jr was instructed to play at Barca is not the same way he plays normally before getting in. I even observed one funny thing and I was so surprised when I did.....Do you know that some coaches will even tell players the maximum number of touches they must do? Some will give only 1 or 2 players the right to dribble. Part of why Robben left chelsea was freedom to express himself on the pitch. I don't support Madrid, I support Chelsea FC.

mcdreeezy: I dunno about you but I believe if you have the brain and brilliance, you don't need to apply physicality or force... Ronaldo works hard, Messi works smart

You would have been correct. Unfortunately, this argument does not apply to football. In football,.it takes more than mere brilliance to triumph. You need the mechanism to carry out your brilliant ideas. If an Engineer is brilliant enough and knows a certain horse power rating must be met before an engine performs optimally, he need to design such or else, his brilliant ideas will be a waste. Moreover, Christiano Ronaldo is brilliant too and his brilliance + his built and style gives him a lil edge over Messi.

mcdreeezy: I no wan argue this one, durin that time I neva dey carry ball for head like I'm doin now. But one thin pple fail to realise was that chelsea was lucky against Barca

Okay, I will let this go. I wasn't talking about Chelsea's champions league triumph in 2012 though. Infact , in the match I was referring to, it was Chelsea that was cheated. Barcelonia defenders handled the ball in the eighteen yard box twice but the referee refused to blow because order from above says Bacelonia must play at the finals either by crook or other means, that was why Ballack and Drogba wanted to slap the referee after the match.


You also said something about chelsea being lucky (2012) against Bercelonia.Let me quickly tell you a short story;

When this beautiful game callled football was invented, it was said that the aim of the game shall be to put the ball in the opponent's net. They didn't state how that must be done. No definitions were given for tiki taka, beautiful football and so on. A team that defends and lunches a counter is using a strategy, another that passes out its opponent before unlocking the opponent is also using a strategy. The fact that Barca did a bulk of the playing and chelsea did the scoring is not luck, it is a strategy.

@mcdreeezy, why did you pick a portion of the points raised in the last quote. You haven't still answered why your Messi that dribbles past 5 defenders couldn't get the better of Bosingwa nor get into the 18 yard box against Chesea and the fact that there was nothing magical in what he did as Maradona and Okocha have done it better in the past.

mcdreeezy: I dunno since when powerful shots became a criteria to judge who's better. Anybody can take shots, anybody can also lift so well to head a ball into the net

You just shot yorself wity these statements. Point of correction, not every footballer can do all what you stated, not every footballer can score long range shots and not everybody can jump so well to head the ball. It takes more than just lifting yourself to nod a good shot, directing the ball is another thing, takes a lot of technique and practice and that is why not everyone does it. Before you start telling me the Messi is short bla bla bla tale again, go and watch Abedi Pele's goal against Nigeria at the 92 African cup of nations third place match and see how he beat our tall defenders to the ball in the air.

mcdreeezy: Whenever I argue with CR7 fans these are the points they raise and I begin to wonder. Messi is too brilliant a footballer to not be better than Ronaldo, watch all his matches without bein biased and you'll see what I'm sayin. Where was Ronaldo over the weekend when they lost to Atletico? If he's so good a footballer as u claim, why is it that the best he can get is to score a penalty? On the other hand, when Messi is not scoring, he's assisting others. Well, we are all entitled to our opinions.

So, because Messi performed better over a weekend, he is automatically better? What an analysis! Where was Messi when his team was being flogged mercilessly at the champs league? My friend, there are times one wouldn't even know that Messi is on a football pitch, so, stop being sentimental, footballers do have off days or a not too good day.

mcdreeezy: As someone said, I have not seen where Maradona and Pele use CR7 to compare themselves, it's always Messi they use and that should give you a cue.

This issue has been over flogged. Who gave Pele or Maradona the right to say who is better or not? They are regular persons like us and that's their opinion just as we have ours. Moreover, they can't compare C Ronaldo to themselves cos they are not in any way similar. Messi plays more like their kind of pattern and that was why Messi was called the new Maradona when he just came up but C Ronaldo plays in an entirely unique way, so comparing themselves to C Ronaldo will make no sense. Again, South American players hardly compare themselves with European players ( nationality wise) and finally, Pele, Maradona and Messi have one thng in common; The three of them are dwarfs , so their comparism might be solidaritary, maybe Ronaldo's build is too intimidating for them, so, they have to find a comfort zone.

mcdreeezy: I know people usually say they're the best footballers in the world as of now but if we're to be honestly sincere or sincerely honest, you'd agree with me that Messi's brilliance puts the Argentine ahead of the Portuguese. I've not seen anyone that has a sixth sense in football than Messi, Ronaldo doesn't come anywhere close. Bro, you can't deny this fact now Just be sincere

Messi's brilliance? Are you kidding me? Well, the essence of this thread was to compare their qualities. The only quality you have mentioned now is "brilliance" . How about Ronaldo's power, agility, athleticism and so on?

mcdreeezy: Pls what do u mean by famous dribbling skills? Is it legovers, or snakebites? Messi doesn't do such but that doesn't dispute the fact that Messi is a better dribbler than Ronaldo and I woldnt like to compare Messi with those pple u mentioned as they played in different times. Ronaldo counts his legovers and whatever tricks he's got at ONE spot. Messi on the other hand beats opponents, as in, he gets past them with ease.

Go and watch the match against Getafe way back where messi beat 4 opponents includin the goalie makin 5 and scored. I can bet u that Ronaldo has never done that

You made a bit of sense but a bulk of your argument is so myopic. Ronaldo gets past opoonents in whiskers too in his own way. When Ronaldo was at Man United, all he needed was a through ball from Evra and before you count 9 seconds, the ball his at the back of the net. Most times, he moves with great speed on the left and cuts off any defender on the way and when he is close to the box eighteen edge, drags like 3 defenders along with him towards the right before placing the keeper on the left. Fine, Messi dribbled well in that match and scored calmly, still, doesn't beat Okocha's dribble againt Oliver Khan and team mates in Germany. That Messi's dribble is not even close to half of what Maradona dribbled at the world cup when he dribbled everyone from his own half till he scored. You can't be pin pointing examples and referring to them cos Ronaldo has a lot of things that can be pointed to that you cannot get the Messi equivalent. I could say......go and check Ronaldo's rocket shot against FC Porto at the champs league when he played for Man United and so on. Moreover, why didn't your Messi get the better of ordinary Bosingwa when Mourinho dragged him (Bosingwa) from) to somewhere around LB to mark Messi. In 90 minutes, Messi got past him just twice. Couldn't even enter the 18 box before the ball was taken back from him. If your Messi is as magical as you claim, he would have evaded the defence now.





I said it and I am saying it again, there is nothing Messi can do or has done that Ronaldo hasn't done or have an equivalent of but there are things C.Ronaldo has done that Messi has no answer for.

mrceo63: 5. Garry Kasparov (IQ 194)
He was born on 13th April, 1963 in Soviet Union, Russia. He has an outstanding IQ of 194. He is a Russian chess grand - master, a
former World Chess Champion, a writer and a political activist, considered by many to be the
greatest chess player. He began taking chess as a serious matter at an early age when his parents gave him a chess problem and he was able to propose a solution. He started his training at an age of 11.
He won his first championship which was Soviet Union Junior Chess championship, by the age of 13 years. In 1985 he won the first
title of world championship in Moscow by earning twelve and a half points. He officially retired from major chess tournaments, on 10th March 2005. He also played against and got defeated by a supercomputer opponent
that can calculate 200 million moves in every second.

This is not totally correct. Gary Kasparov defeated the first super computer he played with in 1996. He won the game 4-2. There was a rematch in 1997 and the super computer won 3.5-2.5. So, in a way, Gary is better than the super computer that was developed by IBM. There was a funny match that took place at a time too, it was between Gary Kasparov and the rest of the world (the rest of the world was a group of chess aficionados and experts). The rest of the world played alone as a team against Kasparov and Kaparov defeated them. That guy, Kasparov is a mad chess genius. You can use this link to verify some of the things I said.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Blue_versus_Garry_Kasparov

RayMcBlue: A short player has certain advantages at his disposal. Low center of gravity for one. It enables him to dribble better, have more ball control than a taller player, makes him lighter on his feet, invariably making him more prone to dives than your average 1.80 tall player.

@the bold, it's not entirely up to them. Anthropologically speaking, the shorter you are, the more probable you will weigh less, right? Then, you have a scenerio whereby Hazard is being marked by a significantly bigger Vincent Kompany. Hazard has the goal on his sight and initially determine that it would serve him better to stay on his feet, but invariably deciding to play the victim card anyway, upon the realization that Kompany is simply stronger and would regain possession otherwise.

Most often than not, short players taking a dive from clumsy challenges is an act of survival more than anything else. They can stay on their feet if they have to, but when the odds are stacked against them, simulation becomes a necessity.

This is where Messi differs from the rest.

Can you please remove the word "dive" from your arguments sir, so, I can reply promptly because I am talking about a fall and not dive and there is a difference between falling unintentionally and diving. My arguments were based on who falls more easily when they don't want to (unintentional). I feel a taller player does.

RayMcBlue: You couldn't be more wrong. Statistically speaking, there is more probability for short players to go down to flimsy tackles compared to taller ones.

You just validatee my point with the use of the word "flimsy" and what that means is that those you referring to dived for tackles that aren't worth falling for. Morover, my point isn't about statistics, it is about what it is not what is available. When a short player doesn't wanna go down,you can hardly make him go down.

RayMcBlue: Your argument is plausible but very biased. Ronaldo might be faster, able to jump higher and smash the ball harder - but that athletic ability doesn't make him a better footballer than Messi in terms of technical talent.

Lionel Messi's close control, his ability to dribble out of tight situations, his vision, his range of passing, his ability to leave a trail of defenders on their backsides, his finishing from inside and outside the penalty area, his composure, his ability to remain calm under pressure and much more all makes him the best player in world football - and subsequently a better technician than Ronaldo.

@ Paragraph one, if you check my previous analysis, I highlighted that point that Messi does well in confined spaces, he maneuvers better and I also clearly stated that he has more acceleration than Ronaldo while Ronaldo has more velocity.

bustyhelen: Lastly, Benson okonkwo, where ur dik which u said stood up on set? I thought u r dikless o. no bulge upon say u wear pant. mtchewwww

^^^^

So, he should feel less of a man because he is not endowed? ,something he has no control over. I have been trying to find the sense in this your post and can't find any. Keep on looking out for bulges in men's undies. So many many eediots on Nairaland nowadays.

Iamzuna: Now here is your stats... From 2009 till date for Real Madrid, Ronaldo has played 250 games and scored 255 goals..... Messi for Barcelona from 2009 till date has played 266 games and scored 276 goals.

Let's do the maths;

Ronaldo-----255/250= 1.02 goals per match
Messi--------276/266= 1.04 goals per match

Iamzuna: For total career goals, Ronaldo has played for Lisbon, United and Madrid a total of 573 games and scored 378 goals..... Messi in total for Barcelona has played 459 and scored 367 goals.....

Ronaldo-------378/573= 0.66 goals per game
Messi---------367/459= 0.80 goals per game

Iamzuna: So please tell me what stats you are as well talking about and who has a better goal per game ratio

Since there are no half goals or quatre goals. They have both scored an average of one goal per match and that makes it equal . Don't mind me, just joking. Based on the statistics you have provided, Messi has a better goal ratio than Ronaldo. Thanks! I will verify in my free time o.

Iamzuna: Lol.... You are so wrong... Need i remind you that Messi started from the youth team in Barca and graduated to first team. He also had competition from the likes of Eto, Henry, Larsson, Dinho, Guily, Gio Dos Santos (when he was still playing his best football) then and he was most of the time injured. Now if you want to know what i mean, count their goals from when Ronaldo joined Madrid and use that to compare. Ronaldo was in Man United for about 3 Years before he started scoring lots and lots of goals in a season. So if you would want to compare both players based on games then you will have to start from when Ronaldo was in Lisbon (also not forgetting that Ronaldo is older then Messi and must have started his senior career before Messi). But if you want to compare the goals based on games Ronaldo has played in Madrid, then you will have to Start counting Messi's from when Ronaldo Joined Madrid.

As far as I am concerned, Messi has graduated to the Senior Barca team as far as 2005/2006. Those names you mentioned are basically centre forwards and Messi isn't one so, I see no reason why he should be disturbed. Moreover, we can't compare their antecedents ( previous clubs etc) but comparing their stay in La Liga and no of goals scored per match, Ronaldo still has a better goal ratio than Messi.

Iamzuna: All dese analysis na jege jare. If mesef analyze both players based on potentials and ability, then Ronaldo would win by a wide margin but then your ability and potentials cannot make you a better player (ask Totti, Rooney, Cassano) but there is what we call Statistics (sic) and the Stats speaks 4 each player. Now concerning Ronaldo and Messi, if i should be biased then i would say they are equal but the truth is Messi is way ahead of Ronaldo. It was only Ronaldo's last season at United and last season that he was on equal level with injured Messi. And please any1 callin Portugal an average team knows little or notin about football.

Which statistics are you referring to? Messi has spent almost twice the time Ronaldo has spent in La Liga and Ronaldo is almost catching up. If he (Ronaldo) should spend the same time, he will take Messi's numerous goals to the bins.

brainyack: nice1. But come to think of it I don't know if It's becos I don't watch la liga o But I have never see messi head a ball.........and scoring many goals doesn't mean you are a great player. who know half of his career goals may have been from assists and pks Cos messi isn't a football labourer like bale :-D and someone was saying ronaldo is proud It's like u haven't met zlatan

Lol. Micheal Ballack is another pround guy. You can't even touch his head. D guy go para gan.

kendrick93: ronaldo hasn't been a dribbler for years since he left man u. also u are wrong,ronaldo doesn't track back. ryt nw ronaldo might be d beta playa but overall messi beats him

Okay o. What is the "overall" you referring to?

RayMcBlue: Technique

Cristiano Ronaldo:
Cristiano has magnificent tecnhique for a player over 1.85 meters. He loves flicks and tricks and can do basically anything on the book when the ball is on his fee

Messi
Messi just might be the top technician in the world...with everything except his right foot. Other than that, he can control the ball in every situation with every single part of his body.

Winner: Messi
Even with his "one-footedness," Lionel wins this battle because his technique is a little better than Cristiano's.

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How sir? How does this go to Messi? Messi prefers ro do the chip thing one on one when the keeper is out, Ronaldo prefers to round the keeper before putting the ball in the net. From the sides, Messi prefers to curl the ball, ronaldo prefers to use a rocket on the near post. Moreover, Ronaldo's methods of hitting the ball with the in-step particularly during free kicks is unrivalled and that is why some balls pass just above the keeper's head sometimes and yet unstoppable. For every technique Messi has, Ronaldo has it or a substitute. There is no technique Messi as shown that Ronaldo can't match but there are lots of techniques Ronaldo does that beats Messi talking about in-out, ou-in leg overs, passing of the ball with his back and so on.If at all, this is balanced even though Ronaldo seems better, the best you can do for Messi is to leave it balanced. He is not better than Ronaldo with respect to techniques.

RayMcBlue: Loyalty

Cristiano Ronaldo:
Ronaldo has jumped ship for better opportunities. Twice. The only person he's loyal to is named Cristiano Ronaldo.

Lionel Messi:
Messi has had only one club.

Winner: Messi
Easiest one so far.

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You know you so funny. You stylishly turned what was a plus to C.Ronaldo into a negative thing. When it comes into club football, there is nothing like loyalty and that is why contracts are usually signed with certain conditions and if the conditions are met, the player could either leave or decide to stay further if the club wants him to. Players make their decisions based on several reasons. Ronaldo's mum had always wanted him to play at Madrid even when he was a kid.Moreover, Ronaldo is an explorer, he likes challenges and has proved his worth severally at different clubs while your Messi is afraid of the unknown and just wanna stay in his comfort zone all the time. Ronaldo wins!

RayMcBlue: By tackling this topic (yet again), I expect both Messi and Ronaldo fans to disagree with me. But I will try my best to remain objective and to declare a winner for the attributes I have decided to compare them on both physical and technical attributes (shooting, acceleration, strength...) and "intangible" ones (mentality, marketability, ego...). The winner will be determined by points on each category they win:

Strength
Cristiano Ronaldo: Cristiano's 1.85 meters tall and weighs 85 Kg so you would expect him to be a bull physically. But he's not. It might be more mental than anything, but he shies away from contact and prefers to go down rather than physically outshine the opposing defenders. When he wants to though, he can be physical and hold the ball with his back towards goal. He certainly doesn't like it and prefers not to do it, though.

Lionel Messi:
Messi has very good strength for someone that barely crosses 1.70 meters as their height. The Argentinian can shield defenders off the ball and can hold it with his back
towards goal. Anyone that has seen him can also notices he can resist opponents lunges and tackles towards his legs, and he can resist the hardest slides while remaining on his feet.

Winner: Messi
When all those things are taken into account, they're more or less the same physically for their rival's defenses. Messi overperfoms for his short build, and Ronaldo underperforms for his huge one.

I disagree. If you use the principle of physics, Ronaldo falls more often because of his height and that's why sports vehicles are usually closer to the ground. Messi is closer to the ground and so can maneuver better. It is players like Peter Crouch, Nwakwo Kanu and co that will fall so easily. Messi stays more on his feet not because he decides to but his build favours that (that's what I am disagreeing with). If you play football, you will observe that short players are difficult to stop or hack down. Moreover, doesn't it sound funny to say Messi has more strength than Ronaldo? Let's say he does, how about AGRESSION and POWER? Ronaldo flies higher than Messi in these.

RayMcBlue: Sexist remark.

Don't blame me, I have ladies all around me and they don't do football. So, when I see one, I tend to admire.