gnykelly:


how feasible do you think the privatisation is. what do you think will be the right strategy to adopt for rapid power generation.

This govt has taken the right steps, the problem is that Power in Nigeria is a political tool and so they cannot take "business decisions" or allow the companies that bought the assets run them in the way capitalists would.

To fix the power sector what we need is a mix of economics, finance and engineering, it's not an easy task. Govt has it's work cut out.

there's a document called the roadmap for power available online at www.nigeriapowerreform.org you could read it if you're interested in the details.

Feraz:
When I went on a field trip to Ihovbor power plant in Edo state, the guy mentioned the above and when asked, he said apart from the vandalisation ish, that NGC will prefer sending the gas to other users that will pay higher; that that is why they have gas shortage in the above power plant.
Apologies for my blunders. I meant to say two power stations in Niger not 'major'.

The second, I'm quite lost.

Guy...If you have a commodity to sell, wouldn't you rather sell to the higher bidder? gas prices for power plants were just increased to $2.50 from $1.50 and before that it was 90 cents or something equally atrocious.

Now as an IPP, knowing that you're going to be paid $1.50 per Mscf(that's how gas is measured in the energy sector in naija), and the money wouldn't even be paid in time, would you bother investing in equipment to utilize the gas?

It's always been cheaper to pay the fines associated with flaring gas rather than harnessing the gas for other uses. Govt is trying to change that hence the increase in gas prices.

P.S. remember I told you gas prices increased to $2.50 per Mscf? try finding out what international prices were for natural gas before the crude drop.

As per the second think I typed...I can tell you're an engineer from the way you write but you made some mistakes that show you dont have that good a grasp of the power sector.

bigfrancis21:


Are you serious? Look again at the image, in the area where lagos is, why is Lagos illuminated when it isn't oil producing (no gas flaring) in the first place? What about other states in the south that are illuminated but aren't oil producing? Taking a look at the night image of lagos, given below, for example, are you telling me that such a brightly illuminated city as seen from its night image wouldn't appear illuminated on the satelllite image but rather gas flaring pole fires located far-away in Rivers state, Delta states are responsible for illumination in the lagos area? Are you being serious??


[img]http://www.travel-wonders.com/wp-content/uploads/Melbourne+Skyline+Night+11.jpg[/img]

Chairman...have you looked at the visualization of the gas flaring? http://skytruth.org/viirs/

You might want to take a second look at the pic we're talking about...the area I'm referring to as gas flares doesn't extend up to lagos...over lagos you'll see a tiny dot that doesn't have the reddish(or is it orange) tinge that tells you that what you're seeing is intense heat and light as a result of that heat.

P.S.
those lights are not as bright as the flame if you are considering the amount of energy. If you have the time you could try reading up on the difference between a lumen, lux and candela. It's all physics.

14:
South Africa is currently spending $40 Billion to constract two largest Power station in the World. Medupi Power station production capacity is 4 800MW. Its coming on line this year 2015

if the capacity is 4800MW then it wont even make top 20 in the world.

Feraz:
Normally, I'd say Niger state cos of the state's huge land mass but seeing that it has the two major power plants in Nigeria, I'd say we try somewhere down south close to the sea or maybe Kogi state.

Far from it, I'm not saying we should keep flaring the abundant gas that we have. You gave a wonderful solution to the use of the gas which is every household using it as cooking gas; in addition, I can say if we were a nation that really took science, technology and engineering serious, we'd have probably been doing research on gas-powered gas automobiles or might have developed concepts which will be looking at the commercial applications by now.

Thanks for that. Never knew there were gas turbine plants above 5000MW. It's an opinion BTW. I made my opinion on the fact that many countries do not rely solely on gas turbine power plants.

errr...what does land mass have to do with a dam? you aren't far off when you mention Kogi...Shiroro dam was not meant to be installed at the shiroro gorge, it shoulda been somewhere at the confluence but it was a political decision. Another thing, when you say the two major power plants in Nigeria what do you mean? How are they "the" two major power plants in Nigeria?

P.S. All hydro stations in Nigeria are in Niger state...well Jebba is in both Niger and kwara sha...

one more thing...you're mixing a lot of terms up, you need to watch that, it could come back to haunt you later.

ROSSIKE:


A plant that generates 10 mw or 6 mw is a generator yard for colonialists. They simply imported industrial generators to power some select districts. Don't come in here counting those things as Nigerian power plants biko.

Here's a list of South Africa's first plants dating from the 1890s. You see any with 10 mw or 20 mw?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_power_stations_in_South_Africa

Boss...I'm not getting your drift o...power plants can be classified by fuel, by prime mover or by function. I've never heard of size. It's what it does that makes it a power plant not it's size. If there is some new way of defining what can be called a power plant I'm willing to learn.

In this case you didn't call it properly, that remains a fact whether you choose to admit it or not.

ROSSIKE:


Yawwn..... Ijora 'power plant' produced 70 mw. We're talking of real power plants not these generator yards. You might as well name Calabar 'power plant' which produced 10 mw or Oji River 'power plant' which produced 6 mw.

KAINJI DAM commissioned by the Balewa administration, was the first bona fide power plant in Nigeria with a capacity of over 900 mw.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_power_stations_in_Nigeria

errrr...chairman You are now changing the goalpost abi, you didn't mention real power plant in your post...what you inferred was that there was no power plant in existence before 1963 (of which construction only started in 1963, commissioning was in 1968).

ROSSIKE:


I take it you cannot name a single power plant in Nigeria before Kainji Dam (1963)?

Thanks. That was exactly what I said. Your colonial rulers brought in huge generators to power a few GRAs then occupied by Europeans. There was no national grid until the succeeding indigenous governments built one.

sorry chairman...I just couldn't help my self , link below mentions Ijora was commissioned in 1956, this was before Kainji.

https://www.nairaland.com/235181/graveyard-power-station.

gnykelly:


thanks for enlightening me. but why can't we maximize the whole 10000mw why do we hover between 3000-3500mw

It's never really on single issue, it's usually a mix of them...the more common ones are:

1. fuel shortage is a major problem in Nigeria, sometimes we dont have enough gas for the gas-fired stations,
2. sometimes it could be that there is a problem with some generators at different generating companies in the grid,
3. sometimes there might be a problem in the transmission grid that results in power being available but Transmission coy of Nigeria cant transport it,

The grid is made up of a large number of individual pieces of equipment, the problem with such a system is that as the number of components of a system increases, it's reliability is likely to decrease. Feraz mentioned building larger units (you could say power plants), this would help with nos. 2 and 3 but not 1.

Designing a power sector isn't an easy task, if you now have funding constraints...smh.

gnykelly:
wrong information. Nigeria has less than 5000MW (installed capacity). but the data here claim 20000MW

your definition of installed capacity is not correct. Installed capacity depends on the name plate of the units (that's what the prime mover-generator combo is called in the power sector).

If you have 10 units of IMW installed, installed capacity is 10MW, if only 3 are working, installed capacity doesn't change, however, available capacity is only 3MW.

Installed capacity is 10,396MW and available capacity is 6056MW according to NIPP

bigfrancis21:


Gas flaring isn't carried out all over the south! The entire southern Nigeria (east, west, south south) is brightly illuminated. Gas flaring is done in less than 1% each of the whole of River state, Delta state, Imo state, Akwa Ibom state etc. If you were to represent only the lights from gas flaring poles on a map, they would appear as tiny little bright dots spread out over an entirely dark mass of area. The illumination you see comes mostly from the presence of pervasive buildings which have light, street lights etc due to people living heavily in those areas. When you have several lit buildings and houses clumped up together, then the image you get above will look like what you see in the image because their lights are closer to each other, they merge and form the massy area of light you see in the image. The more developed a city is, with as many high-rise buildings as possible, the more brightly illuminated it appears from above. Take a look at the map of US below, for example, which corresponds to the population density pattern of the US. The more densely populated areas (the more need for electricity and development and buildings that have to be illuminated too), the more illuminated they appear on the image.

[img]http://www.inquinamentoluminoso.it/worldatlas/images/fig2.jpg[/img]

how do you think a gas flare (like I've posted below) will show up on a satellite picture compared to street lights?



did you look at the webpage with the visualization of the gas flares? what those pictures measure is light and the light from the flares will outshine any streetlights, any day, any time.

bigfrancis21:


Yea. In addition, notice that the entire region between Nigeria/Niger-Sierra leone and Egypt/Algeria (up North Africa) is considerably in darkness, which corresponds to that region being the Sahara desert where human occupation, and subsequently the need for electricty, is scarce and less dense than other areas.

this is what you should be looking at if you want to see how the world looks at Night. That's from NASA and the page clearly says city lights.

here's a link to the page http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/NaturalHazards/view.php?id=79793

*modified: I removed the picture because it was too large. would've caused people's computers to lag...it's available at the link above.

ROSSIKE:


Nonsense. Those lights reflect electricity, not a few gas flares in the delta.

it is definitely not electricity, the grid is not that developed in that part of Naija and that's a heat signature you're looking at not electricity



check this link for a visualization of flaring globally http://skytruth.org/viirs/

bigfrancis21:


From the image, it can be inferred then that southern Nigeria is more illuminated than/experiences more electricity than Northern Nigeria.

Chairman...I suspect you are erroneously referring to the heat signature from/of gas being flared in the Niger-delta as electricity in the South.

Feraz:
Many gas turbines will not give us the required power output we need in this country. That is where we make mistakes. Instead of building to many gas turbine stations and taking up land mass, why not build a very large dam like China did with their Three Gorge dam that generates about 22GW - the largest in the world while saving cost and land space?

where would this very large dam be built?

I'm reading all the responses and smiling, my first salary was 32000 per month, before tax and pensions(including housing allowance),
this was back in 2010, it was a one man company in Abuja...was staying with family so I didn't have to pay for accomodation, them days were tough o...didn't have time to be forming love with anyone's daughter, everything about me was low key...lol.

@madam Jamie Bond
This is what might happen, a man might see someone using earphones to listen to stuff and he thinks "how can I make the experience better for her?"...next thing you know...high quality earphones. To him that's the ultimate expression of love, he has paid attention to you and sought out ways to make things easier/better. we then would want you to say "o honey I love you, how did you know just what I need?" Of course it doesn't always turn out well. Hopefully understanding how we make such weird choices would help.

I speak from experience when I tell you a lot of men HATE the mental anguish that goes with choosing a gift for a female (yes it's painful even when said female is your SO. only diff is you can't say what the h*ll and not get any gift).

what men would prefer is the female letting something slip during a conversation and then we start scheming to get it...that way, you have the element of surprise and also appreciation/admiration.

P.S. It also works both ways, that shirt the missus bought? sure it looks good on me BUT who cares? I have enough shirts already...I dont need a new one.

@Cococandy
Ihedinobi and Moca are right, you need to find a way to let him know what you like ...you can go, "I'm saving up to get Bleep" or something of that sort.

I tend to give gifts I think the missus needs...the only exception is something she has mentioned that she likes,
If I ask what she wants she'll usually say something like "you think of something" (hate that phrase with a passion).

P.S. Be prepared to deal with disappointment though, you might not always get what you want.

@quivah

Hi, looked around on Wikipedia, this is what I found http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Periodic_limb_movement_disorder,
you might want to check mayo clinic and other more scientifically/medically correct websites*, better to be armed with correct info.

*Peer review on Wikipedia possibly isn't as stringent as on built-for-purpose websites.

FOREXMARTS:


At least i know ur a fine girl and you garrit if that's you in your profile lol. So what's up? Since you wanna lounge with the men tell me, why do you hate football?

Bros...before you begin dey toast babe for here you gats wet ground first na...shuooooo!


modified*

Seen the picture and ... nna men...the babe in that pic really garrit

Wallie:
Those with power decide what kinds of story we see, hear, or read about. They tell the narration that conforms to their bias and/or believe.

You want to tell a different story, the real story? Attain power. Nobody will listen to you if you're powerless; you'll just die of frustration.

Spot on! case in point, Obj's new book. Imagine him saying 3rd term was the governors' idea...dude is trying to rewrite history.

pipszilla:
Thanks Abdul for ur response. But I had tried that, it didn't work. I raised the bucket above the machine, yet the pressure remained the same.

You need something to press down on the water from the top, kinda like a syringe.

pickabeau1:



They will avoid Bayern
If they avoid barca or real

They have a sweet chance

I told u

Hey wassup?

Any idea what happened to Tv01 and Nash? Seems Nash has deactivated his account? Abi the feminazi's got to him?

pickabeau1:
that vid looks staged though....

it looks one kain sha...although, knowing the times we live in, stranger things have been known to happen.
guys and girls are not smiling these days...lol

TheCongo:


Merci mr. Netotse, I can see that you are a man full of wisdom
You must have seen and heard it all given that you have been on nairaland since 2007

Chairman...you must be good people... , expected you to react somewhat differently.
You know what they say, if you keep quiet long enough people begin to assume you are wise
how long so and so has been anywhere doesn't mean squat, "how much value have you added?" now that's the important thing.

TheCongo:


I am serious though I am tempted to wait a bit for your birthday

ok...so this is the part where you are waiting for her to beg you to wait abi?

madam, hurry up and beg him. let us hear word!



[size=4pt]make una no mind me jare...just player hating[/size]

Bracket, eminado, dorobucci maybe?

freshdude2:
OP, she should have sat at the back out of courtesy but, you opening a thread for this shiit, you should have been put in the trunk.

True on both counts...lol, but it'd take a really mature babe to understand why she should have shown courtesy. Not met a lot of those in a while.

Stillfire:


Buhaha.

On a serious note, I don't think I'll be fighting for front seat. I'll sit at the back, let the boys chat in the front. What's the big deal?

A girl once did it this with me and my friend, she was like "you guys should continue your gist, I'll seat at the back". It made me appreciate her more, she didn't feel threatened or anything. I'm pretty certain the missus would toe this part if it came to that(that being me gisting with my guy).

stinggy:


That's true bro. If my babe should do that for my best friend, then I know the kind of women she'll be after marriage.
She's meant to @least pretend she wants to seat at the back and my friend, being a guyman will now say tell her to sit in the front.

This your post no clear bros...who is supposed to seat in front?...lol.

Omo, if the girl is anything other than bushmeat she gets the front seat easily, it's just a seat abeg, no one in his right senses should be dragging position with his friends significant other, y'all have different purposes in his life. your relationship with your guy should be more than all that. I think it happens when guys have macho ideas about how homies should "roll" in their heads.

bukatyne:


Equality is based on that na

The fact I see everyone as equals does not mean I would force Omotola to dance because Beyonce is a good dancer.

The people I have heard talk about inequality do not promote equity: they promote inequality

Equity is ideal, it speaks to understanding, to strive for equity you must first understand and then accept your strengths and weaknesses. When you fight for equality you refuse to take said strength and weaknesses into consideration.

Men and women are not the same, that women cannot do some things as well as men can do them does not make them any less important or valuable, that's equity.

Equality is what a man can do, a woman can do too, irregardless of whether it's clearly a lost battle or not.