₦airaland Forum

man it feels good to be back on a computer o. . .GPRS sucks!

banku:
Babapupa,


That was a test, appealing to your sense of decency and you failed woefully.

If you are from Lagos, that appeal could have moderated your foul mouth on the key board. But you have no where to relate to in Lagos and nothing to loose. Very soon you will be going home to contest for election like the rest of you from Iragbiji.

Why else would anyone point a left finger to his house?

are we talking development or parables here?


@babapupa
u need to stop trading insults with these people. . .you risk making yourself look as pitiful as they do, at least when kobojun kie and the others were posting we were spared stories about how it is a taboo to point at your house with your left hand or the insults and they displayed(to some extent) that they were able to reason but

Hardtalk:
That is sure the problem of Fashola. He is not spreading this development, lessen congestion.

i agree with you on this, the LASG should look into providing affordable housing for the 'new workers' cos from my end it seems they are doing very little in terms of that. . .personally, i'm still not over the tejuosho stunt, but that isn't what this thread is about is it?

Kobojunkie:
I don't think even you would approve that Tinapa commence a rail project with the current problems it has to deal with at this time.   Is the Lagos railway now connected to the Lekki FTZ project?

even me? I'll choose to see that as a complement, sey they are being run concurrently(the railway and LFTZ projects), someone pasted in his reply that on the railway there'll be a line that goes straight to the LFTZ, could it be you haven't been reading the replies?

Omo i don dey pace myself o. . .i'm going to wait for 20 to come out and then watch 18-20 at once. . .

Has the light rail been constructed? At least they have started work on the railway in lagos, and also lagos is where the action is, it's unfair to compare the two cities

@kobojunkie
but is/was it as thoroughly thought out as LFTZ seems to be?

this is a little something i got from wikipedia

A free trade zone(FTZ) or export processing zone (EPZ) is an are of a country where some trade barriers such as tarrits and quotas are eliminated and bureaucratice requirements are relaxed in the hopes of attracting new business and foreign investments. It is a region where a group of countries have agreed to reduce or eliminate trade barriers. Free trade zones can be described as labour intensive manufacturing centres that involve the importing of raw materials or components and the exporting of factory products.

now someone tell me how something like this^^ wont benefit from having an airport next door?(or you think they'll still want to be using the national relic we refer to as MMA?)

Kobojunkie:
Are you certain of that? There are so many Airports, even across america today that barely get up to 1000 passengers or cargo transport a month. These projects cost millions., and still do but because the government's in the areas are unwilling to swallow their pride, they continue to WASTE taxpayer money on these projects and airports.

Sure, airports are there to transport cargo and people, but it makes absolute sense for people to plan carefully and ensure they are not constructing another monument to waste. From the much, and there is not really much more than the usual feel good rattle on why an airport is needed, I have read on the Lekki plan for an airport, it sounds like the airport will be used more for transporting goods, rather than people. Reminded me a lot of the  "If you build it, they will come" approach to projects development, which I hope works out.

i could kiss you for that(nahhhh, u'll have to work harder i dont come cheap!). . .that's what i've been trying to say all along. . .the LFTZ will generate traffic, that's one of the reasons it stands a far better chance than tinapa. . .accessibility!

I think it's also important to be careful when you're using embarrasment/humiliation to teach children, cos they can end up hating you. . .

I'm not against it, i'm just saying some of us tend to overuse it and then justify it.

banku:
We now have a newly discovered buzz word - PPP.

Who are you guys fooling. Please mention a single PPP project in the whole of Nigeria that is working recently since the days of private firms like UAC, PZ, Leventis, Dunlop, Michelin etc working with government of yester years. Do you know why all these companies are leaving? For the same reasons Nigerians are calling for. Simple water, roads, electricity, housing, schools to train workers and hospitals that can be patronized by those who run overseas for headaches. Those are the attractions that create jobs and more infrastructure leading to trade and decongestion of Lagos.

PPP today in disguise of Govt and private company is nothing more than sourcing govt money to Tinubu and co. who in turn invite foreign "experts" that have never cross university or college only to find out projects are bubcontrated again. We have seen OBJ/Atiku show already how govt. money went from trust funds to private banks, then to buy govt. biz!

Using Abu's money to entertain Abu. All the PPP projects in Lagos today belongs to Tinubu just as they claim half of Lagos belong to him.

Simple agricultural projects, Lagos have none except on paper and presentation or plan of what they are going to do. If cattle rearers go on strike again, Lagos will starve.

What we need is IMPLEMENTASTION. Jakande was popular because he implemented during his tenure. All this talk of railway, light rail and subway in the works, we will believe it when we see it.


Now the airport. For whose benefit? Who comes to Lagos on plane except Nigerians and your foreign "experts" who either launder money away or hold their breath while laundering money from Lagos.

BTW how much of all the money looted stay in Lagos or in Nigeria?

Ignoramus call poor people slowpoke. Cut out the insults and give sound reasons for airport that will be used by Tinubu and his like.

the parts i highlighted in your post are why i'll find it difficult to take you serious. . .why are you trying to take us back? It's obvious you're not as interested in the issue as you are in the personalities at play.


we've overflogged this 'who'll-use-the-airport' issue so badly that i seriously think if we flog it anymore we'd be guilty of animal cruelty. . .i implore you to re-read blacksmith's last paragraph(if you even bothered to read it in the 1st place) and think about it. . .

candylips:
thread has gone down south as usual.   

nahhhh. . .i think we're somewhere in the middlebelt, benue perhaps

nobilia:
Definitely not too hard to know that you are not in Nigeria and definitely not too hidden that you did not get to where you are using your own brain. Some of you here should join facebook rather than arguing here.
I really do think that age should be considered before any one posts on the politics section. I stopped posting in the politics section of nairaland when I learnt that most ppl I argue with havent had their 14th birthday.
Pls this is not meant to be an insult, if you find it so, am sorry.

if you have something relevant to contribute please feel free to do so. . .otherwise waka pass, we've been having a good discussion here so far and we dont need pple to come and spoil it. . .post reported!



@odiaero
you're missing the point, you use a plane filled with passengers as your justification, but the airport is tied to the LFTZ, i asked somewhere on this thread whether it made sense to transport imported goods meant for the LFTZ all the way from ikeja to lekki, to you an airport is simply a place where you get on a plane to travel, but to some of us it's much more. . .

tunde300us:
I think the reason why this post is generating so much arguments and exchange of words is because the POSTER started off to mislead people or is it the PM NEWS people who now employs carpenters to do the work of journalist.

For a project that has entered almost 40% work done,you say the govt is seeking finds for it,and worse all,the topic says Fashola Shops For N73.3b For Airport when those were supposed to be for both the airport and the bridge.

I do not think there is any need to discuss the merit or the de-merit of this project cos it wasnt any of our creation and for goodness sake nothing said here on NL will change it when the project has been completed.(IS IT YOUR MONEY !)

Mr moves: U said u think the badagry road project is waiting for approval from the FG,when work has started since last year   .Am sure so many ppl arguing here especially against any good thing from lagos re not resident here and that explains their ignorant cos i dont see the sense in saying things like THE STATE GOVT IS WASTING FUNDS, when you have been told it is a PPP arrangement. And most PPP is basically BOT.

Thank God for lagos ,atleast we can see sometin close to governance. U need to come to places like abia state where state govt rents electric poles for some months to show the media they have installed street lights only for all of it to disappear in months.

i agree with you, esp on the bit about the misconception. . .



Also for those that want a bit more info on the badagry project, this was in the news today, sorry i cant paste the content, i'm browsing via gprs
http://businessdayonline.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=10604:lagos-badagry-road-to-be-completed-within-projected-period-&catid=85:national&Itemid=340

Kobojunkie:
What developments do you speak of? I sincerely would like to hear of the marvelous things happening in the mainland.

I do understand that much of what is going on on the islands happen to be funded by private investors but I still would like see some of that on the other end.

we have the adopt a school thingy now. . .

@at the emboldened
but that's the thing, companies go into business to make profit, so it's only natural they chase the attractive places.

^my point was that opposition to the airport without taking the FTZ into consideration seemed. . .somehow, i put your name cos you used the word 'elitist' i put the et al there so it wont seem like i was picking(for want of a better word)on you. . .

what i understand by the anti-poor v pro-poor thingy is this:

the pro-poor person would rather the government spent money on the people, it's a laudable idea, but, it still wont earn money for the government, and government cant solve all society's problems

the anti-poor people however, would rather the money is used to create value (per se) which in turn would benefit the individual. . .

_{*i know it's oversimplifying it, but it's a case of would you rather have a job, or a tarred road in front of your house?*}

however adopting only one view wont work, finding a way to combine both would be more desirable



I must say i'm surprised this thread hasn't turned into a free for all, proof that even on nairaland we can disagree without insulting each other

@kunbee
hey miss, hope you're good?. . .

@thread
need to get off my hiny and brush my teeth. . .

I'm loving this thread, big time. . .
@kobojunkie et al
from what i've read so far, the airport is tied to the free trade zone, elitist or not, it makes sense, or would you rather the missionariesbusinessmen such as yourself(you plan to get space there right?)  at the FTZ transport their goods all the way from ikeja to lekki?(thus increasing the cost of goods and services). Without initiatives such as the FTZ the only way for the LASG to raise money is taxes and i'm sure like most nigerians you believe the pple in lagos are being overtaxed.

I'm beginning to see papabrowne's point wrt pro-poor and anti-poor, it's all a question of where you're viewing the problem from, most of the pro-poor pple think 'just another airport so its easier for the lekki pple to jet outta the country' (i wont lie, i thought so too until u guys brought up the FTZ angle)

the good part about it is the PPP aspect, but i'm willing to bet if the airport is built then concessioned, some of us will still complain

@sjeezy
doyin is actually right here, what the article is concerned with is strictly distribution, you bringing IPP's into it is a long thing, what you described is called captive generation and it has noting to do with the original article. . .(it would work but it's a long expensive process, esp. in naija)

For those worried about price, its the NERC that determines how much consumers pay in nigeria, so whoever buys the coys. Wont be able to bill you to death, however electricity bills are going to double over the next 5 or so years, so people should start preparing. . .lol

@OP
I think the deal will fall through, one major reason is that its the states that want to buy the companies, lagos might be able to run theirs but not portharcourt, the way the distribution grid is set up lumps states together, so putting one state in charge of another states supply wont work(although the states could come together and buy it, but how'll they share the electricity?)
Even if the companies are sold, with the way the sector is run now, there wont be much of a diff. Operationally, their load allocations wont change(i.e. The amount of MW they're allocated everyday), the new owners would be obliged to spend money on improving the infrastructure in addition to the money they woulda had to cough out of various body opening, the whole thing just seems like very bad economics to me

semid4lyfe:
Spot the difference between my spam 'tagged' post and the 2nd one and u'll know how I did it. It's childsplay for 'soji' guys who post regularly in the phone section. . .the only section where posts can't be modified and the spambot is set on highly aggresive.

yeah, i've always wondered the rationale behind the bolded(sic)

@eldee
happy birthday. . .

@Ajanlekoko
chybyke replied you with a rather long post and i think the spambot junked it, twice! I'm guessing the poor dude got banned. . .

btw, one of my friends might be headed your way, he's been meeting with B. Devt. pple in the telcos, about something called myxpal, heck y'all might have met already!

@seanpounds
what sefago is referring to is called 'compatibility mode'
first install the software,(in this case powerprep),
right-click the shortcut, there'll be a compatibility tab,
tick the box under compatibility mode and select windows xp from the drop down menu below, click ok,
that ought to do it, u can try it for all the other softwares k?
If you have any other issues feel free to holler. . .best of luck!

@seanpounds
have you tried using powerprep?

it seems a certain someone is miffed at the fact that even though he joined in '06 his name isn't on the list. . .

@fl and sissy
e ku 'se o u guys have managed to whet my appetite. . ._{i know have to figure out a way to psyche my friends that watching a baby film isn't unmanly}. . .lol

puskin:
Extract the darn thingy. . . . .how hard can dat be?? Haba

guy easy now, it's obvious he doesnt have winrar installed. . .

@nearest
download and install winrar it's pretty intuitive after that

Of which my mum is yoruba, so i guess it's safe to say that edo men are skilled when it comes to away matches. . .lol

U guys should go easy on edo men now. . .lol


although u guys have some points though, between akaraoku and twinkle87 you guys described me on a bad day. . .

@bluespice
octomom ke? Haba! that was a lowblow. . .