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^^ when you are not married, you can expect to be dissapointed by men, until you have a man of your own and stop behaving immorally.

. . . . and they will want you to believe that islam is a religion of peace . . . peace ko, piss ni!

^^ Funny, did Paul not exist at the time of Jesus? At least all atheist agree that Paul was the authentic author of his letters, He saw the disciples and discussed with them. No historian of that era has ever denied what Paul claimed happened. Give me a reference material around A.D.1 - A.D.100 denying the existence of Jesus and we shall start talking.

The greatest man in History, Jesus, had no servants,yet they called him master, had no degree,yet they called him teacher, had no medicines, yet they called him healer, He won no military battles, yet he conquered the world. God you too much!!

What do you think?

And thats the bold portion. As far as I know (and am damned sure everyone also knows), Nezan remains the only and only person creating nuisance; and thats by deploying insults not to an individual member but to our noble prophet Muhammad, may Allah exalt his mention. Yet he's there shamelessly enough accusing Abuzola of rather being insultive and abusive. How unfair of you?

How am I creating nuisance here? You bring up a topic, we argue it, you call Christ and Christians names, and you turn around to accuse me of beign a nuisance? Cant you people be honest for a moment?

^^ Whether it is copy and paste, it doesnt make any difference, abulbanaat challenged every body to highlight the contradictions in the koran, he ought to defend those alleged contradictions, no need hiding under the wings of copy and paste to evade replying to these highlighted allegations. Wake up and defend islam!!

@muhsin, I will start doing fine when you join me in Christianity

An honour well deserved for both of them.

Kudos!!!!!

And some short sighted people will come here in defence of these corporate thieves . . . . what a country? Tribalism has overshadowed the thinking of Nigerians . . . so bad!

duh move, no need saving face. . . he should have continued denying them visas instead of backing out . . . duh move!

alimah had made a comprehensive statement instead d stupid nezan keep turning a blind

1. I dont like condoning insults from children. If you cant show respect and decorum, stop responding to my posts.

2. What is comprehensive about justifying practices of the dark ages with the modern age? The practice of childbrides, whether
then or today, will continue to be wrong, and a degradation of womanhood.

Nezan one of these days you and I will have a seriuos discussion.

And who told you I am afraid of arguments?

nezan must you exhibit your illiteracy always ?

An undergraduate, who hasnt got a degree yet, calling a person about to complete his PhD illiterate, somebody who is well educated than some of his lecturers. What ever happened to our moral values . . . . ?

how can maryam be miriam or sun be son. silence is the best answer for a fool

. . . . . or Jesus be isa, or Yahweh be allah, e.t.c. See foolishness

Nezan is a very cunning somebody, he has a peculiar way of creating nuisance

Every non-muslim on this forum is a nuisance to you?

he hardly pursues a matter to an end before he runs away. He does not show seriousness for a seriuos discussion. Between him and Sleeky I do not know who is more cantankerous

You muslims have a peculiar way of going round and round if you are boxed into a corner. Ask Muhsin and he will tell you how we have been able to argue things to a logical conclusion.

^ Stop confusing yourself man, boko haram are muslims and they reject education, period!

^^ . . . and who single handedly installed Yar'Adua? childish noise . . . mnscheeeeeew!!

Must you be dishonest in all your posts? show some level of maturity, man!

my maturity is my acknowledgement of my mistake. How my saying that Aloy.Emeka fits your outburst of allegation that am dishonest, beats me. Care to explain, or your hatred of me as a muslim clouds your judgement and you cant see when a person is honest? Am I not a human being? Even your lord made mistakes which caused a tree its life before the season to fruit!

You sound like a man suffering from "blackman rage syndrome."

Maturity indeed!

I will continue after you reply to these few contradictions, as the contradictions are too numerous.

No. 7

What kind of book is the Injil?
The Quran makes the following statements about the Injil:

And in their footsteps, We sent 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary) confirming the Taurat (Torah) that had come before him, and We gave him the Injeel (Gospel), in which was guidance and light and confirmation of the Taurat (Torah) that had come before it, a guidance and an admonition for Al-Muttaqun (the pious - see V.2:2). S. 5:46 Al-Hilali & Khan; cf. S. 57:27

He [Jesus] said, "Lo, I am God's servant; God has given me the Book, and made me a Prophet." S. 19:30 Arberry

It is He Who has sent down the Book (the Qur'an) to you (Muhammad SAW) with truth, confirming what came before it. And he sent down the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel). S. 3:3 Al-Hilali & Khan

Sura 5:46 states that the Injil was given to Jesus by Allah. Sura 19:30 and 3:3 then clarify that the Injil is a book just as the Qur'an and the Torah are books that were sent down by Allah.

The Qur'an also contains a second set of statements regarding the Injil:

Let the people of the Injeel (Gospel) judge by what Allah has revealed therein. , S. 5:47 Al-Hilali & Khan

Say: "People of the Book, you do not stand on anything, until you perform the Torah and the Gospel [Injil], and what was sent down to you from your Lord." , S. 5:68 Arberry

Those who follow the messenger, the Prophet who can neither read nor write, whom they will find described in the Torah and the Gospel [Injil] (which are) with them. S. 7:157 Pickthall

[Say (O Muhammad SAW)] "Shall I seek a judge other than Allah while it is He Who has sent down unto you the Book (The Qur'an), explained in detail." Those unto whom We gave the Scripture [the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)] know that it is revealed from your Lord in truth. So be not you of those who doubt. S. 6:114 Al-Hilali & Khan

These verses make clear that the Injil is the book of the Christians, the book that is with them and which they believe in. The author of the Qur'an even admonishes the Christians to fully obey (the Torah and) the Injil that they have.

The Contradiction

However, here is the problem: when we look at the New Testament, the book which is the Scripture of the Christians, we see that it nowhere makes the claim that it is a book that was "given to Jesus". On the contrary, the New Testament consists of several books that were written by followers of Jesus (under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit) AFTER the ascension of Jesus.

Therefore, the Injil can EITHER be a book given to Jesus, OR it can be the book that the Christians hold as they Holy Scriptures, but it cannot be both. Muhammad apparently assumed that the Scripture of the Christians (and Jews) would be very similar to the Qur'an, the book which he thought he received from Allah. However, Muhammad was clearly ignorant of the matter. The essential nature of the Qur'an and the Bible are very different. A book "given to Jesus" in a similar way as Muhammad claims to have received the Qur'an does not exist and Christian have never claimed that such a book existed at any time. This claim of S. 5:46 is merely a wrong idea that sprang from the mind of Muhammad.

Had the author of the Qur'an made only statements like those found in S. 5:46 and 19:30, it might have been an option for Muslims to claim that the Injil of Jesus was simply lost. Jesus indeed received such a book but, somehow, it disappeared. Muslims could have said that the NT clearly is something very different from the Injil as defined by the Qur'an, and could have concluded that therefore they do not believe in the Christian New Testament since the Qur'an does not endorse it.

However, the second set of statements above prevents this explanation. The Qur'an identifies the Injil as the Scripture of the Christians. Thus, since the Injil is the book of the Christians, the Qur'an makes a blatantly wrong claim about the basic nature of the Injil. It neither is nor ever was a book given to Jesus.

The Source?

How could this error arise in the mind of Muhammad? He may have heard statements like in the first verse of the Gospel according to Mark:

The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, ,

and mistakenly thought that this meant the same as "the Torah of Moses" i.e. a revelation given to a prophet in form of a book. However, reading the context shows that it means "this is the beginning of the Gospel ABOUT Jesus Christ"; the Gospel is the message telling us about the life and teaching of Jesus, written up by his followers, not a book given to Jesus himself.

No.6

Israel, the Quran and the Promised Land

The Holy Bible in many places speaks of God giving Israel the land of Canaan as their everlasting and cherished possession:

"The whole land of Canaan, where you are now an alien, I will give as an everlasting possession to you and your descendants after you; and I will be their God." Genesis 17:8

"So I have come down to rescue them from the hand of the Egyptians and to bring them up out of that land into a good and spacious land, a land flowing with milk and honey – the home of the Canaanites, Hittites, Amorites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites… And I have promised to bring you up out of your misery in Egypt into the land of the Canaanites, Hittites, Amorites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites – a land flowing with milk and honey." Exodus 3:8, 17

"I also established my covenant with them to give them the land of Canaan, where they lived as aliens." Exodus 6:4

Given these clear statements from the Holy Bible, it may come as a surprise to some readers to discover that the Quran actually teaches that the Promised Land which Israel was to inherit was Egypt! Before presenting the evidence for this we need to first mention that the words Canaan, Israel (the land, not the people), Judea or Jerusalem never appear in the Quran, which is truly bewildering and astonishing to say the least.

When the Quran does speak of Israel's inheritance it simply refers to the land or city which God gave them. For instance:

And (remember) when Moses said unto his people: O my people! Remember Allah's favour unto you, how He placed among you prophets, and He made you kings, and gave you that (which) He gave not to any (other) of (His) creatures. O my people! Go into the holy land which Allah hath ordained for you. Turn not in flight, for surely ye turn back as losers: They said: O Moses! Lo! a giant people (dwell) therein and lo! we go not in till they go forth from thence. When they go forth from thence, then we will enter (not till then). Then out spake two of those who feared (their Lord, men) unto whom Allah had been gracious: Enter in upon them by the gate, for if ye enter by it, lo! ye will be victorious. So put your trust (in Allah) if ye are indeed believers. They said: O Moses! We will never enter (the land) while they are in it. So go thou and thy Lord and fight! We will sit here. He said: My Lord! I have control of none but myself and my brother, so distinguish between us and the wrong-doing folk. (Their Lord) said: For this the land will surely be forbidden them for forty years that they will wander in the earth, bewildered. So grieve not over the wrongdoing folk. S. 5:20-26 Pickthall

The text doesn't identify exactly where this holy land was situated, who these giants were, or which two men feared their Lord. The only way to know the answers is to go outside of the Quran and consult the Holy Bible:

"The LORD said to Moses, ‘Send some men to explore the land of Canaan, which I am giving to the Israelites. From each ancestral tribe send one of its leaders.’ So at the LORD's command Moses sent them out from the Desert of Paran. All of them were leaders of the Israelites… When Moses sent them to explore Canaan, he said, ‘Go up through the Negev and on into the hill country. See what the land is like and whether the people who live there are strong or weak, few or many. What kind of land do they live in? Is it good or bad? What kind of towns do they live in? Are they unwalled or fortified? How is the soil? Is it fertile or poor? Are there trees on it or not? Do your best to bring back some of the fruit of the land.’ (It was the season for the first ripe grapes.) So they went up and explored the land from the Desert of Zin as far as Rehob, toward Lebo Hamath. They went up through the Negev and came to Hebron, where Ahiman, Sheshai and Talmai, the descendants of Anak, lived. (Hebron had been built seven years before Zoan in Egypt.) When they reached the Valley of Eshcol, they cut off a branch bearing a single cluster of grapes. Two of them carried it on a pole between them, along with some pomegranates and figs. That place was called the Valley of Eshcol because of the cluster of grapes the Israelites cut off there. At the end of forty days they returned from exploring the land. They came back to Moses and Aaron and the whole Israelite community at Kadesh in the Desert of Paran. There they reported to them and to the whole assembly and showed them the fruit of the land. They gave Moses this account: ‘We went into the land to which you sent us, and it does flow with milk and honey! Here is its fruit. But the people who live there are powerful, and the cities are fortified and very large. We even saw descendants of Anak there. The Amalekites live in the Negev; the Hittites, Jebusites and Amorites live in the hill country; and the Canaanites live near the sea and along the Jordan.’ Then Caleb silenced the people before Moses and said, ‘We should go up and take possession of the land, for we can certainly do it.’ But the men who had gone up with him said, ‘We can't attack those people; they are stronger than we are.’ And they spread among the Israelites a bad report about the land they had explored. They said, ‘The land we explored devours those living in it. All the people we saw there are of great size. We saw the Nephilim there (the descendants of Anak come from the Nephilim). We seemed like grasshoppers in our own eyes, and we looked the same to them.’" Numbers 13:1-3, 17-33

{As a side note, Q. 5:20 contains a gross anachronism since it has Moses speaking of Israel’s kings when in fact Israel had no kings until centuries later during the time of Samuel.}

Yet if we stick strictly with the Quran itself and take into consideration all the references to the Exodus of Israel then it becomes apparent that the author(s) thought that the land given to Israel wasn't Jerusalem or Canaan but Egypt!

No. 5

A Tower of Burnt bricks in Egypt?
How did it get there?

And Pharaoh said: O chiefs! I know not that ye have a god other than me, so kindle for me (a fire), O Haman, to bake the mud; and set up for me a lofty tower in order that I may survey the god of Moses; and lo! I deem him of the liars. [Sura 28:38]
This is a very interesting verse for several reasons.

This command of Pharaoh is a problem for the authenticity and accuracy of the Qur'an since at the time of Moses Egyptians didn't construct buildings out of burnt clay, i.e. this is a historical contradiction. See the dictionary entry on Bricks for more details.

The next question would be to ask, where this motive comes from. Interestingly, there is a well-known story which fits these details. In Genesis 11:3-4a we read:


They said to each other, "Come, let's make bricks and bake them thoroughly." They used brick instead of stone, and bitumen for mortar. Then they said, "Come let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches heaven, , "
The original story of Moses and Pharaoh as reported in the Torah, the book of Exodus, reports historically accurate of the Israelites being forced to make bricks with straw (which are then sun-dried). This story has no mentioning of a tower for Pharaoh to reach God.

It seems that the author of the Qur'an confused or for other reasons conflated these two stories from the Torah, the Exodus of Israel and the tower of Babel.

Contradiction No. 4

Two Pharaohs who crucified?
Various passages tell the story that Pharaoh's sorcerers believe in the signs and message of Moses, and then Pharaoh tries to threaten them with these words (Shakir's translation):


I will certainly cut off your hands and your feet on opposite sides, then will I crucify you all together. [Surah 7:124]
Said he: You believe in him before I give you permission; most surely he is the chief of you who taught you the magic, so you shall know: certainly I will cut off your hands and your feet on opposite sides, and certainly I will crucify you all. [Surah 26:49]

In the story of Joseph, about 400 years earlier we also read of another crucifixion in this passage:


O my two mates of the prison! as for one of you, he shall give his lord to drink wine; and as for the other, he shall be crucified, so that the birds shall eat from his head, the matter is decreed concerning which you inquired. [Surah 12:41]
We have, however, no record that Egyptians used crucifixion as punishment in the time of Moses (1450 BC, conservative date; 1200 BC at the latest) or even Joseph (1880 BC, conservative date). Crucifixion only becomes a punishment much later in history and then first in another culture before it has been taken over by the Egyptians. Such threats by a Pharaoh at these times are historically inaccurate.

Contradiction No.3

JOHN THE BAPTIST
(YAHYA)
John: Hb: Johanan, Ar: Yahya (in the Quran), Yuhanna (in the Arabic Bible), Gk: Ioannes ()

John, son of Zechariah: Ar: Yahya ibn Zakariah.
Mary, the mother of Jesus, and John's mother are relatives.



no one before him has the same name, Maryam 19.7.
However, we read of a Johanan in 2 Kings 25:23, 1 Chronicles 3:15, 24, 6:9, 10, Ezra 8:12, etc. In fact, there are 27 instances of the name "Johanan" mentioned in the Old Testament. The Hasmonean Dynasty ruled Palestine in the century before John the Baptist appeared on the scene. Palestine at that time was very Hellenized and Greek became the main language. One of the priest-king of the Hasmonean Dynasty was John Hyrcanus, well attested to in many historical and classical sources. Josephus talks about a John the Essene who served as a general of the rebel force in Timna (Jewish War, 2.125). 1 Maccabees 2:1 tells us of "Mattathias son of John son of Simeon". Mattathias also has a son called John (1 Maccebees 2:2). John's brother, Judas, led the Jews in rebellion against Antiochus IV Epiphanes. Simon also has a son named John (1 Maccebees 16:19). All these Johns lived before John the Baptist. John was indeed a very common name.

Contradiction No. 2

The Qur'an says that the calf worshipped by the Israelites at mount Horeb was molded by a Samaritan (Sura 20:85-87, 95-97). Yet the term `Samaritan' was not coined until 722 B.C., which is several hundred years after the events recorded in Exodus. Thus, the Samaritan people could not have existed during the life of Moses, and therefore, could not have been responsible for molding the calf.

Contradictions in the koran

Surah 12:20 tells us:


They sold him [Joseph] for a miserable price, for a few dirhams counted out [darahima ma‘dudatin]; in such low estimation did they hold him!

The use of the word Dirham in the sale of Joseph as a slave is one of many anachronisms in the Qur'an. Dirhams, as well as all other coins, did not exist in the time of Joseph. Even if one accepts the dating of Joseph's life in Egypt, coins were still not invented until several centuries after his time.

If media sources confirmed this, why were muslims calling him unprintable names here? huh?

^^ By congratulating abuzola on his response to me, you are agreeing that you want to marry this christian lady because she exposes her curves for you to see? Because the muslim girls wear hijab and look duh, you dont have a crush for them? Why not you ban hijab so that you will start having a crush on them muslim girls? at least alimat is crying here for attention

^^ Ok na, make we see.

No muslim wan marry a hijab wearing lady

We all need to leave biases out of this issue before we can know where we all belong!

That is why I am urging all muslims to drop fanatism and discourage the practice of childbrides.

Back in those days none of us were there to know how rapid growth was then, i think we should all reason and think about time changes, changes in every aspect of life.In my mother's day marriage was about 13yrs or so but now things as really changed.We all know that  marriage at 9yrs now cant be really possible  but ages bit older than 9yrs due to changes in time

I dont think it is right to justify the actions of yesteryears that were based on ignorance. that mohammed ignorantly married a 9 year old should not be a justification for child brides. In this age, this practice is the leading cause of VVF among underaged girls in muslim dominated Northern Nigeria.

We all know that fornication and abortion is now the order of the day and to stop that early marriage is encouraged but it now depends on how  people abuse it.
95% of youths are guilty of fornication, even you and to avoid that one hav to marry if one cant abstain from sex.

I am not a youth, and married with three children, but the fact that you are guilty of fornication doesnt mean everybody is guilty of it.

As far as ASUU remains selfish, it shall never end.

Lets hope the terrorists (sorry, militants) are well rehabilitated.