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Re; Response to 7

Jesus never claim to receive any 'injeel' from God. The Gospels were written by the Apostles (with the leading of the Holy Spirit) of Jesus' teachings, life and death.

Re: Response to 6

And WE revealed to Moses, directing him, ‘Take away MY servants by night, you will surely be pursued.’ And Pharaoh sent summoners into the cities, announcing, ‘These are a small party, Yet they have offended us; And we are a multitude fully prepared and vigilant.’ So WE turned them out of gardens and springs, And treasures and an abode of honour. Thus it was; and WE gave them as heritage to the children of Israel. S. 26:52-59 Sher Ali

The foregoing verses indicate that the Israelites were made the inheritors of Egypt right after the destruction of Pharaoh and his armies in the sea. The Egyptians were "turned out" and their gardens were given to the children of Israel. The next citations support this position:

They said: We have been persecuted before you came to us and since you have come to us. He said: It may be that your Lord will destroy your enemy and make you rulers in the land, then He will see how you act. And certainly We overtook Firon's people with droughts and diminution of fruits that they may be mindful. S. 7:129-130 Shakir

Therefore We inflicted retribution on them and drowned them in the sea because they rejected Our signs and were heedless of them. And We made the people who were deemed weak to inherit the eastern land and the western ones which We had blessed; and the good word of your Lord was fulfilled in the children of Israel because they bore up (sufferings) patiently; and We utterly destroyed what Firon and his people had wrought and what they built. S. 7:136-137

When taking these passages together as a unit (which we must seeing that they are all part of the same context) then the conclusion is that Israel was given the eastern and western parts of Egypt and became rulers of it. This next quote provides further substantiation that the Quran's author(s) erroenously assumed that Israel did take over Egypt:

We will recite to thee something of the tiding of Moses and Pharaoh truthfully, for a people who believe. Now Pharaoh had exalted himself IN THE LAND and had divided its inhabitants into sects, abasing one party of them, slaughtering their sons, and sparing their women; for he was of the workers of corruption. Yet We desired to be gracious to those that were abased IN THE LAND, and to make them LEADERS, and to make them THE INHERITORS, AND TO ESTABLISH THEM IN THE LAND, and to show Pharaoh and Haman, and their hosts, what they were dreading from them. S. 28:2-6 Arberry

Quite obviously, since the Israelites were the weak party which Pharaoh abased in the land then this means that they were the ones who inherited the land of Egypt! This passage three times uses "in the land": The Pharaoh had exalted himself "in the land" (in Egypt), the Israelites are "those that were abased in the land" (in Egypt) and Allah decided to "to make them inheritors, and to establish them in the land". The only logical interpretation is that Allah intended to establish them in the same land that was spoken about throughout these verses. There is absolutely no indication that "the land" refers to some other country. It does not say "and to establish them in another land".

Moreover, the Quran in Q. 7:110 and 7:123 (as well as in Q. 20:57,63) says that Pharaoh and his chiefs were dreading that the Israelites would expel the Egyptians out of the land:

Said the Council of the people of Pharaoh, 'Surely this man is a cunning sorcerer who desires to expel you from your land; what do you command?' , Said Pharaoh, 'You have believed in Him before I gave you leave. Surely this is a device you have devised in the city that you may expel its people from it. Now you shall know!

This again implicitly supports the fact that the author(s) mistakenly thought that the land that God promised to grant the Israelites was Egypt.

Re: Response to 5

The Egyptians constructed their public buildings with 'cut stone', not 'bricks'. The Mesopotamians, by comparison, constructed most of their public buildings with baked bricks since they lacked a good source of cut stone.

Paul T. Nicholson and Ian Shaw (Ancient Egyptian materials and technology, Cambridge, New York: Cambridge University Press, 2000) conclude:

'One factor inhibiting the use of fired brick has presumably been the added cost of the fuel needed for the firing, as well as the need for a more suitable (and expensive) mortar, which, in the Hellenistic period, was lime (page 79)'.

Re: Response to 4

The Egyptians executed people by impaling a pointed stake [or tp-ht in hieroglyphs] through the victim. Centuries later, the Romans executed people by fastening the victim to a cross with rope or nails, and they called this crucifixion. Simply put, crucifixion defines a method of execution used by the Romans and the techniques of impalement used by the ancient Egyptians cannot properly be referred to as crucifixion.

Impalement is usually defined as "an act of torture and/or execution whereby the victim is pierced by a long stake, in contrast to crucification.

In 'Judgement of the Pharaoh, Crime and Punishment in Ancient Egypt', the author, Joyce A Tyldesley proved that the Egyptians used impalement and not crucification.

Re: Response No.3

You say the uniqueness was because John was born of a barren mother? was he the only one to be born of a barren mother? what of Samuel? There is no way you can bend this over to what you want to believe! mohammed believed that John never had a namesake before!

Re: Response to 2

Your translation runs contrary to Yusuf Ali. Yusuf Ali attempted to change this word to "Samiri" and Pickthall to "As Samirii." Arberry in the English, and Kasimirski in the French both correctly translate it "Samaritan." Yusuf Ali, in his footnotes, "bends over backwards" to explain his choice by suggesting that the name could mean "Shemer," which denotes a stranger, or "Shomer," which means a watchman, the equivalent of "Samara" in Arabic, which he implies is close enough to the Samari he is looking for, and here are you, translating it to somebody from Iraq. How funny.

Re: Response to contradiction 1

A "coin" is a standard weight of some metal that is stamped with the design/mark of a governing authority who guarantees its acceptability as payment. There is some debate over which coin is the world's oldest. Some Indian scholars believe that the earliest Indian coins date from around 700 B.C., based on the dating of the geological strata in which the coins were found. Most scholars believe that coins were invented in Lydia - a kingdom on the fringe of Greece, located in modern Turkey. These coins were made of electrum [an alloy of silver and gold], and date from, approximately 600 B.C. ["The Origin of Electrum Coinage" by Robert W. Wallace, a professor at Northwestern University, in American Journal of Archaeology July 1987].

The Athenian leader Pericles [495-429 BC] minted coins for Athens. He used silver from nearby Laurium to mint the famous Athenian tetradrachms – the ancestor of modern coins. These Athenian coins became the international monetary standard, as the U.S. Dollar and Euro are today, and local imitations of these coins were made in Persia, Syria and Arabia.

Before Muhammad became a self-styled "Prophet", he was a merchant in the caravan trade of his day. Muhammad traded with the Sassanians [Persians] – who were the major economy at that time. The Sassanians used silver drachms (dirhem coins, which were minted for the Sassanian kings). When the Muslim armies conquered the Sassanians in 642, Muhammad's successors adopted the Sassanian coinage, copying the drachms, but changed these coins by eliminating human images and adding Arabic inscriptions on the borders of the coins. The Sassanian drachm was the model for the Arabic dirham.

@mazaje; The fact that you were once a Christian doesnt count! I hope you know that many who followed Christ even then, backslided. The devil that blinded your eyes to seen the glory in Christ is unfortunately, still lurking around your heart, preventing you from coming to Christ wholeheartedly. You need special prayers.

2. The disagreements between Christians do not deny the fact that Jesus is Lord! We worship Him in Spirit and truth, not by our own leadings. The many translations of the Bible today do not lead to the denial of the fact that Jesus is Lord either.

3. Better repent, brother mazaje, Jesus still loves you and is positively disposed to forgiving your transgressions. Your utterances against Christ are not as bad as then Saul (later brother Paul) did, but our ever forgiving Lord forgave him.

so its true?

^yeah

The mind to cheat is in-born. Even a so-called virgin can seriously misbehave after marriage. Just pray for God to give you a woman who will be faithful to you.

let him go to any site and copy then paste here

You did not put a disclaimer forbiding people against cutting and pasting from any site, so stop making noise and answer the questions.

Reminds me of a boy(A) who challenged another boy(B) to a fight. After giving 'A' a sucker punch, 'A' starts complaining that there should be no punches

Stop complaining and answer up!

This is like . . . shit!!

Kratos007:
young man, you must either be a stark illiterate or a consumate ass. if you have nothing better to say about doctors in nigeria, i suggest you go chew on some gum or crawl back into whatever hole you came from. what light to be provided? by whom? do you know what it takes to become a doctor? do you have any idea of the stress involved, the intense reading, obscene hours of work and the killing schedules doctors have to keep? come to think of it, why dont you take a trip one night to a casualty room, an accident and emergency unit or a labour ward and see what medical doctors and nurses go through. do you know how difficult it is to break the news to a deceased patient's loved ones? it is an open secret that hospitals in nigeria are grossly underfunded and understaffed. nigerian doctors working in the country do so under the most abhorrent of conditions with inadequate financial rewards, so if they want to agitate for more pay, it is well within their right. do not come here and talk rubbish on matters you know little or nothing about boy, and yes, i AM a doctor.

And what pride has doctors?? if you are dissatisfied with your pay, quit medicine. I doubt if you are even a doctor, your foul language gave you up.

@ssn; Carry your 419 dey go-o. This one religious section.

@ the seeker (?); Who told you I am a young man? you should have asked whether I and Godson are agemates.

You ignored answering me because you are one ignorant muslim. You have never answered any question on this forum.

^^^ If you guyz are politically minded, join me on the political section, no need going off the OP.

^^^

nezan, i really doubt if you understand any english. The title of this thread is Godson et al, where are the contradictions in the quran?

See delusion, are my posts in french? cant you read my posts? Are the contradictions mentioned above not in the koran?

If u want to compare the quran with the bible or cite historical 'errors' pls open a new thread (where u surely will be crucified). if u still dont understand pls check Godson's posts. Even though he himself is doing a bad job at it

You know what? you are a newbie on NL who is very funny. Have you ever opened a thread? ask around and they will tell you, I dont run away from arguments.

Another thing, you are not original, why dont you change your I.D. name? there is another guy on this forum with that name.

their eyes, hears and heart have been sealed

That does not explain the contradictions listed above.

they will continue their mischief till they meet their lord regardless of what you say

What mischief? abulbanaat challenged us to show him contradictions in the koran, after listing some of them, you are now calling us mischief makers? were we the people who opened the thread? see me see wahala-o

sometimes its just the best to ignore them as we sometimes ignore taxation (in the accounting parlance when dealing with some corporate finance issues)

The challenge was from abulbanaat, let him answer! no body asked him to open the thread.

allah speaks only arabic?

^ I wonder what atheist believe in. When I started this thread, one atheist ran in and claimed that Jesus never existed. Another came in and declared that Jesus made a scientific blunder, now see mazaje, an atheist, quoting and pretending to preach the Bible as if he knew what is written there, BTW, I wouldnt expect an atheist to comprehend the teachings of Christ. You people are just like the Jews who thought by saying He will destroy the temple and buid it in three days, Jesus was literally referring to destroying and building what took years to complete. You guys are too spiritually dead to comprehend the teachins of our Lord.

I wonder how the mind of an atheist think. If you are in a community that grows cereals and guinea corn happens to be the smallest seed they know, how will you expect them to start comprehending that there is another smaller seed? You refer to what they know so that they will easily understand you!

Where are the people abusing Farida and wondering about EFCC's involvement in the case? Let them cover their faces in shame.

^ Dont mind them, they will never ask for light to be provided, when next you hear they are on strike, it will be to demand for higher pay only . . what a selfish bunch.

^^ Dont mind them, Nigerians are a very funny bunch. Upon all these, people will always come to they defence . . . that is why Nigerians will continue to suffer!

Lets wait and hope for the best.

^^^^ You are talking jare.

Jesus is the way . . . no one cometh to the Father except through Him!

^^ That still does not explain why mohammed was mistaking Mary for Miriam

^^ . . . and who are you to order me to shut up? deluded slave.

^^ In the New Testament, Jesus tells his disciples:

Mt 13:31 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying,
The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of
mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in
his field:
32 Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but
when it is grown, it is the greatest amoung
herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds
of the air come and lodge in the branches thereof.

The parable Jesus gave out has several conditions that are
specifically stated in the parable. To ignore all the other
statements Jesus made in that parable and all the discussion
prior to it, is to basically put words into Jesus's mouth
that he never said.

The context of Jesus's parable is that of a harvest, the
verses prior to that verse set, they were specifically
discussing a harvest, parallel's being made concerning
a harvest, seeds being sown and the crop being harvested.

The mustard seed Jesus mentioned is the smallest they had
that would get sown and then harvested, that all the people
would have known about then. The mustard seed Jesus described
is expected to be the black mustard, which does grow to about
12 feet tall in Israel.

Given the people Jesus was talking with, their knowledge
of the day, and the crops they would harvest, Jesus had
told them the truth. For them, the mustard seed is the
smallest seed that they would've sown and later harvested.

There is no contradiction in what Jesus had told them.
The parable that Jesus was giving out is an analogy, it's
not meant to provide any sort of science education, but
to convey a concept using common terms that they would
have understood, common concepts being used to explain
something they didn't understand.

Jesus's point was that the mustard seed starts out the
smallest of that grouping of seeds: common seeds that all
them would know about at that time, seeds that were sown to
harvest as a crop, but that even though it's the smallest
of all those seeds, it grows into something big enough to
seem to be a tree to the birds that would rest on the
branches of it.

Jesus said that is what the kingdom of heaven is like,
it starts out small and grows very big, it's initial
size not being a good indication of it's final size.

Jesus was right: from only a few men that he selected at
the start right there in Israel 2000 years ago, the number
of people believing him has since grown to billions of
people all over the world.

Make una just allow the man spirit rest.

hmm hm