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spyder880: The mansion is getting a new fence

@spyder880. I want to assume here that the fence this mansion is getting will be on all the four sides of the plot. I want to fence only two sides of my project (just lenght and width) and not all four sides. Just a few questions:

(1) What is the size of this plot (apologies if you have already mentioned this).

(2) What is the total estimated cost for the fencing. I want to use the figure to extrapolate the two sides i want to fence

(3) was it 6 inches or 9 inches hollow block that you are using

(4) I intend to mould the blocks. What is the idea number of blocks that should come out of a bag of cement for fence.


This my question is still awaiting your response.

mufutau55: NL1950, you are definitely right. You may get a closed estimate for carcass but when it comes to finishing, it depends on individual taste,
I know because I am going thru the same process, just like you are with your project.. Finishing is the killer..

Hajji Mufutau

@Hajji Mufutau. I discovered property section of Nairaland after i started my project. The lessons here has been of immerse benefits. Prior to this, i have always wondered why there were so many abandoned building projects especially after the block work. Breakdown by the gurus here has given me more insights into the reasons. Most people start a building with the mind that once blocks has been set, the building is finished which is a wrong assumption. Foundation to end of block work can be done piecemeal. For example, somebody can just buy 200 blocks, get a bricklayer and lay and then wait for money to buy another set of blocks. I will call this, Phase 1 which i think is the simplest.

The part i call Phase 2 is the roofing, windows and doors which i consider the most difficult and which i think most people get stuck on because this phase cannot be done in piecemeal like the Phase 1. Wood noggin for roofing has to be done at once. Covering the roof with roofing sheets has to be done at once also. To do these two activities require bulk money as there is no way you can do one part of the roof and leave the other or roof one part and leave the other. The same applies to windows and doors. This is where i think most get stuck on which leads to building projects being abandoned. I can remember when i wanted to roof my project and i saw about 1million staring at me at once.

The final Phase is what i call the finishing Phase or Phase 3. This phase is similar to Phase 1 as activities in this phase can also be done in piecemeal. This phase also depends on taste. I remember a friend who wanted to use stainless for his staircase and other railings. He was given a bill of about 1million. He just told them to hold on or in the alternative they should look for local fabricated equivalent.

I will advise people that intend to build to look critically at Phase 2 mentioned above and try to plan ahead for that before they start. Luckily for me, even though i was a novice before i started, i had somehow provided for Phase 1 and Phase 2 before commencement.

Fadelex: balustrade pix

Thanks for this. Are these made in Nigeria or are they foreign pics?.

scribe2000: Thanks for the information. I must have missed Spyder's thread on the Enugu building. N16m sounds nice and too good to be true because unofficial speculations are putting it to me at between N30 to N40m. Please can more experts in the house comment? Thanks.

Iam not an expert but from the little i know and from the little i have done and depending on the area, N16m can give you something good. Finishing depends on taste. For instance, somebody can decide to buy a set of toilet sittings for 17k while another person's taste is that of 75k. Somebody can buy toilet wall tiles for N2000 per square meters while another person is comfortable with N900 per Square Meters. If you want jacuzzi, all na money and taste.

Fadelex: I'm not actually familiar with Lagos terrain but I will give u what is obtainable in Abuja
** site clearing, excavation, conduit plumbingnand dpc of a raft foundation should take like 900k
**blockwork of ground floor (3, 500pcs) plus workmanship and materials should cost like 1million including lintel, column and head coach
** decking cost should stand between 1.5million including cost of materials (cement, fine aggregate and coarse aggregate) formwork, reinforcement (y16 and y12 for floor and y20 for column), workmanship and equipment.
** blockwork for top floor and lintel, arch and column plus head coach should stand @ 1.3million. you'll use almost d same materials as ground floor but due to d stress of moving materials to d top floor you'll spend extra.
** roofing (wood, aluminium and workmanship) will take 1.2million.
**electrical fittings will take like 400k (including wire, materials and workmanship)
**plumbing (kitchen, toilet, bath and dinning) should take like 250k including workmanship
**window burglary and aluminium should take like 300k
**doors,(main entrance, rooms, kitchen and toilet) should take 400k.
**rendering/plastering... materials and workmanship should take 700k
**ceiling finishes (p.o.p or gypsy or pvc).. #1.2million
**floor finishes.. unglazed tiles.. #1.2million
**balustrade (stair and verandah)... 150k
**paintings , 400k
** fencing ...300k, including gate, rendering and paintings
** landscaping... depends on taste but 400k will give u good finishes
**bore hole 1.5million including tank and stand
**sceptic tank 100k
**furniture work, kitchen, bedroom and bar or library 400k

total= #12.6million

miscellaneous/unforseen expenses is usually put at 10%
while supervision and consulting is also put @ 10% of total cost... that's #2.4 million

grand total is #15million...

note... this quotation is for 5 bedroom duplex wit good finishes. add me up for clarity

Do you have picture samples of the bolded. If you have please post them.

brabus:

And here comes the demolition squad from NASBCA (Nairaland Building Control Agency)

In some years to come, some things will not just matter. Oga NL1960, please have the experts check the structural integrity of the building and do the needful.

That pillar is there for a reason.

This na simple building now. Not as complicated as the chaetea or the PH mansion.

Na so Muysek designed and built a simple bullet proof door and somebody was asking if it has been tested against certain things to be sure that it is really bullet proof as defined by experts.

Anyway, let me travel to Egypt and get the Structural Engineer and Experts that designed and built the Pyramids. What did they say again. Amateurs built the Ark while Experts built the Tatanic. .

mufutau55: NL1960, why is that arc pillar hanging halfway on the last photo? What are you planning to do with that with that half pillar?
See cropped picture below... the half-legged pillar on the left side.

Hajji Mufutau

Iam also waiting for the builder to see what what he wants to do with it.

sandee575: NL1960,
I'm sorry but that's one terrible looking house.
Its like a drawing by a mischievous kindergarten pupil

Quite true. i have ordered for it to be demolished. .

ganny1: i belief you are d same person here usin another I'd, if not u make d same rubbish contribution wen (Ataoba) a nairaland bro complained bitterly about dis guy. Ur comment dat time looks u people are here on dis forum on a mission. I advise public to abstain from u nd ur co-worker called tunder d bricklayer

NL1960 is one and only one on Nairaland. When Ataoba first complained, he was told to paste pictures but he never did. You have started on the same path as him.

Why are you afraid to paste pictures?. Which is easier to do?. Take pictures and paste for tile experts to judge or run abroad and start making noise on Nairaland. Iam not a tile expert neither am i a building expert. I get pictures of the project iam doing and i sent them to experts to critic and advise and sometimes before i embark on any stage, i sent mails to the experts here for opinion.

So stop making accusations here if you are not ready to support your accusations with evidences.

ganny1: Am presently out d country but if u are to giv him job pls cal dis number to inspect what dis maggot did to me. 08072122864. Or better stil go tru his profile on nairaland nd see people's comments

So if you are out of the country, does it mean that you cannot get somebody to take the pics and send to you to post?. If you can post a phone number here, you can as well tell the owner of the phone number to take the pics of the bad job and send to you and then you post them for us to judge. I hope you are not expecting somebody that is abroad to buy a ticket and come all the way to your project at Ajah just to inspect the work that was done for you.

benimeogu: The house posted above needs some help. The wall tiles are bad both the color and design and the finishing. Who ever did that job need to be executed.
The wall angle dressing looks untidy as well. To me i will suggest you remove those tiles on the walls, remove the angle dressings and change it to solide angle dressing like the one Spyder is using in the PH mansion.
You need to fire your contractor,
Your pillars need decoration which is very easy if you can find a good and capable hand.
To me who ever is handling the finishing job need to go. look for better hands please.
thank
imeogu.

Relax. Na the house dey for village and not in a city like PH. So, nobody will be executed. The camera did not bring out the pics very well. Moreover, the job has not been completed.

They say that soup wen sweet, na money kill am. Do not compare this house to the PH mansion being built by Spyder. I hope you will also not compare it with the Chateau being built by Brabus.

For now, the cheap wall tiles used are fine by me as i selected and bought them based on my pocket. You can see that the sitting and dining area tiles are very different and far superior. The sitting room is where visitors come to. No visitor dey enter the bathroom and kitchen. When my pockets are deep enough like the owner of the PH mansion or the Chateau, it is from Germany that i will import all my finishing. .

Btw, the tiler is good. He is presently doing a contract to tile a 70-room hotel with Spanish tiles.

spyder880: Vex for wetin? We are in this together.



[b]Since you have used frontal tiles in some parts of the house like the front, another set of tiles will be an overkill. Try some simple POP pillar designs to make the pillars differen[/b]t.

Thanks. You and my brother that is handling the project have the same view. He wants to make the pillars square instead of the round one that is at the front. Varieties they say is the spice of life.

So una two don defeat me. POP pillar is it then. Make i go look for money for the design.

Oga Spyder, i sent you a mail yesterday to ckenneths@yahoo.co.uk and i also asked the question here:


https://www.nairaland.com/698906/real-cost-building-6-bedroom/89

Oga Spyder, i sent you a mail yesterday to ckenneths@yahoo.co.uk and i also asked the question here:


https://www.nairaland.com/698906/real-cost-building-6-bedroom/89

Oga Spyder et al, i need some suggestions on what to do with the pillars (both up and down) here. My thinking is:

(1) Use frontal tiles for them

(2) design the pillars e.g. using POP

(3) ??.

Make una manage the pics. camera used was bad. So the pics did not come out well.

In order of appearance:

(1) Main sitting room

(2) Dinning Area.

(3) Toilet and Bathroom

(4) Kitchen

Oga Spyder, no vex iam bringing up this your thread. You know say na me and you dey share this thread.

Need to post current state of my project.

Muyesky: Hand rail and fence burglary in progress
with 100% galvanized pipe

Can this be used for the staircase that leads to the upper floor of a duplex?.

spyder880: My client has asked that I think of fence designs for him, and I am going to show 7 designs... please keep your eyes on the fence, not the houses

Short fence, marked block finish....

My duplex project is in the village. So i have a natural bias towards any fence that has a combination of block and railings (iron) for the front fence of the house as i want to see those passing on the road when iam relaxing under the tree in the compound but the side fence can be all blocks. In short, i prefer a fence that has block work to the middle level while the remaining height will be railings (iron work).

So nos 1,3,4 is it for me. If iam building in the city, i might go for all block work because of security.

segcy.moor:
production of interlocking

Interesting. I never knew that interlocking can be produced at site like block molding. Always thought it has to be bought from those doing it.

Please, what is the cost (materials, labour) for doing this if you do not mind sharing the information. Also, from a bag of cement, how many (locks) are expected to come out.

spyder880: To tell you the real truth, I did not count the last batch, but cement for the whole thing cannot be up to 150 bags for the entire tiles (walls and floor)

Thanks. I was getting frightened when by brother kept saying that he needed to buy more cement for the tiling iam doing. If not that i know that he is prudent and not fraudulent, i would have been saying that he is stealing or diverting the cement. So far, he has bought 135 bags and the job is as good as finished.

I never knew that tiling consume so much cement. A good lesson learnt in the world of building all thanks to your knowledge sharing.

spyder880: With your support, difficult things must become easy, thank you bros. I have already posted the link, once again
https://www.nairaland.com/1387426/how-much-does-it-cost

Spyder, i asked you a question on your 6-bedroom duplex thread. This is the link:

https://www.nairaland.com/698906/real-cost-building-6-bedroom/88

Oga Spyder, i want to know if you have completed the entire tiling of this your duplex and how many bags of cement that you used for the tiling.

brabus: You can start here. Keep following the thread. So many student have
graduated from Oga Spyder's class without being to the field. We call it
'class without wall'

@all

Class in session and Work in progress. Pls post only topic related
comments. Further enquiries should be sent to the OP's email address (ckenneths@yahoo.co.uk).

Thank you

Quite true. I once told an Architect that 10m can complete a duplex in the village based on a few researches that i had personally done and that was even before i discovered Property section of Nairaland. He laughed at me and said that such an amount can only get me a mud house. I ignored him and started my project. After roofing, i sent him the pics of several stages till after roofing and the amount spent and he exclaimed 'wa oooooooooo' and asked me if i imported expertise from abroad to do the job and i said No. He himself has testified to the quality and standard of the work done. After i discovered property section, i have now learnt more cut saving methods without compromising quality.

Spyderr should just focus and ignore the theoretical noise makers. They quote building jargons as if somebody is building a bridge.

Na wa o for all these theoretical professional builders. Spyder has said he will deliver a carcass at 8.8 and i believe he will deliver. Iam sure most of the commentators here saying it is not possible did not even read the beginning to know what the 8.8 is for.

I have done a big 4-bedroom duplex and the carcass was not upto to 7m. Thanks to people like sypderr in property section, i was able to catch a cheat of recent. I told him to come and measure my sitting room for POP and he came up with a measurement of 93 sq/m whereas i had earlier measured it for tiles and got 73 sq/m. Just imagine the difference of 20 sq/m. Look at the savings. If i did not know, i will start saying that so and so amount is too small to complete something.

All these busy bodies should just keep quiet and watch.

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MacLovington: .

Very good points made.

It is not rocket science. Standard is not the problem. It is nothing elusive. It is just dishonesty. If you know that 10 men can set x number blocks a day and you then tell your relative abroad upfront that you need 30 men to do it, it's just daylight robbery.

If you know that labour to plaster a bungalow is 150k and you claim it's 310k, it's not due to standard.

If you measure the surface area of a bungalow to tile to be 336sqm and you demand money claiming the size is 778 sqm, you're a rogue.

These are the kind of rip off I am talking about.

In the past, I have seen people asking for 120k instead of 105k that was actually quoted (through checks), I usually just did as if I didn't know and paid 120k.

There was even a time eons ago when I used to add 10% to every quotation I got from a lose relative as commission (not agreed uopn, but out of appreciation).

He began well. Later, he wasn't even spending 50% of money sent on the project. He was pocketing ,ost of the money plus commission. In those days no internet, no mobile phone. Analogue Nitel phone line was unreliable. So verifying things was hard unless you travel by yourself.

The sheer level of dishonesty and fraud is amazing. Sometimes, you wonder if people think you plucking money from trees and not working extra hard for it.

I recently wanted to do a POP and somebody came to measure it and gave me 93 Sq. Meters. Meanwhile this is the same space i had measured to be 76 Sq. meters when i went home and had actually bought tiles for. Space to be covered for POP and Tiles are the same.

I brought in somebody else and he measured 73 Sq. Meters. I promptly gave him the job. When he finished and pleaded for a topping because of increase in the particular materials and standards that i wanted, i had no second thought in topping it for him. Just imagine the difference between 93 and 73. A whopping addition of 20 sq. meters.

Tundetiler2011: I "Give the haters another reason to hate" ...your running mouth is uplifting ME!

Instead of back and forth between you and Atouba, why don't you post some pics of the work you did for him while he also posts the pics of the work you did for him. That way, we will know who is lying. Haba, Nigerians like to do back and forth talks too much.

Both of you should post pics and let us judge or forever remain quiet on this issue.

jaydacorsair: Good day everyone. Im discussing with my Oga @ brabus to see if i can bring him down to the east here for this project....

Good move. Can't wait to see 'chateau de jaydacorsair'

brabus: My name is Brabus and I'm your host on this thread. How may I help you?

I have sent you a mail on the email i saw on your profile. Fine frontal tiles and POP you have there. Keep up the good work.