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spyder880: How many rooms and toilets, is any of the rooms oversized like living rooms etc?

Oga Spyder, this na real JAMB question o. The PVC ceiling work is just for the upper part of the duplex. There are three rooms with a family sitting room. The Master bedroom is big. one room is also big. The family sitting room is moderate. There are also sit-outs at front and back. There is also the staircase area.

Do not let the 195sqm measurement worry you. I do not really have any problem with that. When i went home last december, i took a floor measurement of all the rooms and bathrooms for purpose of buying tiles. My measurement is close. The only difference is the staircase area and some aspect of sit-outs.

Just want to know if the price quoted for PVC, clips and labour is reasonable.

#spyder880,

I got this quote for my PVC works. What do you think?. Is it reasonable?. If not, what can i negotiate it to.


Quotation for Nigeria PVC
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(1)Total meters of PVC = 195 Meters Square

Price per one Nigeria PVC = N1000.

Total PVC = N1000 * 195 = N195,000.

(2)Total Clips = 45 pieces
Price per one clip = N600

Total Clips = N600 * 45 = N27,000

(3) Labour = N40,000

(4) Transport = N15,000


Grand Total (1 + 2 + 3 + 4) = N195,000 + N27,000 + N40,000 + N15,000 = N277,000

Your urgent response will be appreciated. The person that gave me this quote was the person that did my roofing and i was impressed with the work. That is why i also want to give him the PVC ceiling.

spyder880: A bundle costs N9,500.00. This bundle contains 10 pcs of plastic boards[b] measuring 20ft in length[/b] and 7 inches wide.

This is really long. Is this the standard length for all PVC boards in the market?. With this length, how do you transport it over a long distance.

spyder880: PVC ceiling over the main living room (I cannot afford POP ceiling now, maybe my children will change it when they grow up )

Well done. I guess this main sitting room is in the down part of the duplex i.e the PVC was done over the deck area. Iam asking because iam considering PVC ceiling on my main sitting room which is on the down part of my duplex as man no fit afford POP for now.

Btw, this PVC colour is fine. I hope i can steal the colour design.

vitodorado: Frontal view so far

Welcome back. You dissapeared without trace when u were needed most. I saw the frontal tiles design in your building. Were they bought in Benin?. If so, where in Benin and at what price. It is easier for me to transport things from Benin to my project than from lagos.

samla: Give your kitchen and convenience the perfect touch it desire.

Can these your glasstiles be used in place of normal tiles in kitchens and conveniences?.

Aventures: The buglary will be fixed inside, i will post the pics in my next picture posting.

Will there be any mosquito nettings?. If so, i guess it will also be fixed inside. Will you mind posting that as well so as to enable us see the bulgary and mosquito nettings combination.

bristol201: @NL1960, These are good doors.
Please can you tell us how much these doors are ?
Thank you.

My sister-in-law's husband in Benin city helped me with the arrangement. The flush door was made for 12k. The masonia door was made for 18k. The single metal door for 35k. The metal door with arc for 50k.

This is a locally fabricated metal door for the external rooms downstairs.

This is a locally fabricated masonia door for the external doors upstairs.

This is a locally fabricated flush door for the rooms and bathroom doors.

Oga Spyder, well done. Iam about to commence the installation of doors on my duplex project. They are all locally fabricated.

This is a locally fabricated arc door for the front entrance (downstairs).

trisurface: 1,700 and 1,200 respectively.
The lower one goes scarce periodically.
08083000-833
sule street, mangoro.

Which part (sitting room floor, bedroom floor, bathroom floor and wall) of a house (e.g a duplex) can these tiles be used. In addition, what type of tiles are these?. Are they vitrified tiles?.

spyder880: All plumbing piping and fittings to be completed before tiles.

Thanks. Nowadays whenever i display building knowledge and expertise to my brother and my project supervisor, they are always wondering if 'i don chop witch' to know so much about the building process. They do not know that it is all due to the free and selfless information and knowledge being given by Prof. Spyder. More contracts to your elbow.

Learning continues. Abeg, no forget my close up picture of the locally fabricated metal door whenever you go back to Owerri.

NL1960: @Spyder. If this main door is a locally fabricated door, can you show a close pic of it. Iam presently doing locally fabricated metal doors for my main entrace. So i could steal some ideals from it to pass to the person fabricating it.

spyder880: 100% local, I have left this site. By the time I visit again I will get a closer shot.

Thanks. No vex. One more quick question. The plumber that is about to commence the plumbing works of my project said that the plumbing accessories (toilet sittings, wash hand basins etc) can be installed without tiling and that tiling can be done after such installation. I have the funds for the plumbing but does not have the funds for tiling. I initially thought of breaking the plumbing work into two phases. Phase 1 will be piping while phase 2 will be installation of accessories after tiling but the tiling is likely to be towards the end of the year which means that phase 2 can only happen at that period. What do you think?.

spyder880: and a football is bearing the pillar in the center, note also that we have hung the main entrance door.

@Spyder. If this main door is a locally fabricated door, can you show a close pic of it. Iam presently doing locally fabricated metal doors for my main entrace. So i could steal some ideals from it to pass to the person fabricating it.

NL1960: Thanks. I have gotten in contact with a metal/steel fabricator and they have gone to measure my doors for fabrication. They said they are going to use a 12 gauge steel which i calculated from a website to be 2.6568mm for standard steel or 2.7534mm for galvanized steel. Will get a full quote/price by next week. One of the doors has an arc. So this is likely to cost more to fabricate.

I have three (3) external doors downstairs and 4 external doors upstairs. Iam presently toying with the idea of using metal/steel doors for the external doors downstairs and wooden (Masonia wood) doors for the external doors upstairs. What do you think?.

@Spyder. Still waiting for response from you on the above.

spyder880: 3x7ft N19,500 with 2.5mm steel plates
4x7ft N33,000 with 2.5mm steel plates

It is much cheaper, like N15k and N23k with less thick steel materials. You got the choice to make.

I always go there daily to ensure that what I paid for is what is built, before they paint it and tell me stories

Thanks. I have gotten in contact with a metal/steel fabricator and they have gone to measure my doors for fabrication. They said they are going to use a 12 gauge steel which i calculated from a website to be 2.6568mm for standard steel or 2.7534mm for galvanized steel. Will get a full quote/price by next week. One of the doors has an arc. So this is likely to cost more to fabricate.

I have three (3) external doors downstairs and 4 external doors upstairs. Iam presently toying with the idea of using metal/steel doors for the external doors downstairs and wooden (Masonia wood) doors for the external doors upstairs. What do you think?.

spyder880: We were at a welders yesterday, to pay for metal doors and the gate for the garage. We chose a door design and the welder has commenced work on it immediately.

@Spyder. Please, if you do not mind, what is the size and price of this metal doors you are doing?. Iam about to receive a quote for metal doors. So the information will be a useful guide in my decision.

diordaves: I fail to see any reason why you cannot hang your doors before tiles. The problem is tiling as done in Nigeria is very wrong. People tend to tile with cement mortar and without first floating the floor or rendering (Plaster)the wall, thinking that if one needs to lay tile, then no need to float the floor.Wrong! Best practice is: float the floor and lay your tiles later using adhesive and grout or do without tiles for now. There is an industrial standard millimeter gap between floors and doors that should accommodate the thickness of the float and the thickness of the tiles. So float your floor first and get your carpenter with instructions to hand the doors with a gap to accommodate tiles or rug later.

Thanks. I was actually wondering because a door occupies a little part of a room. I fail to see or understand how hanging a door in a little part of a room will now affect the tiling of the whole room.

spyder880: Yes, tiles before the doors. This is to take the normal room level and get your tiles well set before doing doors. When doors hook on tiles during fixing, the carpenter will plain the bottom of the door or add to the wood if its too short as to create an opening under the door.

But the best thing to do is to call in a carpenter after doing your tiles and get proper measurements of the final room level before using same to make the doors. That way, errors in door size is reduced.

Thanks. This is a tough one. Since i do not have money for tiles and tiling now but have for doors, what should i do?. Keep the money until i have enough for tiles and tiling?. That is too risky because i will spend it. Moreover, if i put doors in the house, it means i can move in and put rug on the floor as oppposed to tiling it and then left without doors. Even the tiles can be stolen in such a situation. Tiles and tiling is the second to the last activity i intended doing with painting being the last. Maybe, i will just take the risk and do the doors.

@Spyder et all: I was told that you need to do tiles first because fixing doors because if doors are fixed first, they have to be uprooted when the tiles are being done. Is this true?. Iam in the process of purchasing and installing doors now. Everything sbout windows (window hood, bulgary and window fixing) will be concluded in the next 2 weeks. I had wanted to now move to everything about doors before i was told this.

@Spyder et all: I was told that you need to do tiles first because fixing doors because if doors are fixed first, they have to be uprooted when the tiles are being done. Is this true?. Iam in the process of purchasing and installing doors now. Everything sbout windows (window hood, bulgary and window fixing) will be concluded in the next 2 weeks. I had wanted to now move to everything about doors before i was told this.

spyder880: We are still making progress with the works in this house. Yesterday, we delivered the aluminium roofing sheets to this site. We have offloaded the sheets and roofers are set to start work by today.
We are also planning some finishing works like the plastering, window hoods, metal doors and other fittings. The electrical conduit piping has already been completed. This window hood design will be cast on the ground before we install it on the windows. More pictures later in the day.

Are you going for the locally fabricated metal doors or the imported china doors?. Iam at this stage of my project but unable to take a decision yet. Btw, what is the difference metal and steel door.

Jffbello: Please I need advice from you all on this estimate for five bedrooms all en suite duplex in Ayuele very close to Auchi. All this materials is from foundation to decking level.
30 tone of 3/4 granite N140,000
20 tone of 1/2 granite ?
16mm rods 50 net N150,000
12mm rods 50 net N85,000
8mm rods 40 net N38,000
One roll of banding wire 25kg N7,500
130 bags of cements N260,000
3,500 blocks 9' inches N595,000
One bag of nails N6,000
40 plank of woods N40,000
2 tipper sharp sand N28,000
5 tipper soft sand N25,000
Workmanship from foundation to decking level N250,000
Many thanks in advice and looking forward to hear from you all

Jussi: ^^^
This is a good step of faith, I commend you. I think that you'll get a more realistic estimate if you show us the drawings or at least the 3D. The size & features in your building plan are the main factors determining the quantity of materials. I'm assuming that the material quote from your builder includes from foundation to the decking itself. However, I think that things were grossly underquoted for the following reasons:

- are you doing internal conduit or the traditional surface wiring? Have you already bought pipes? Couldn't find any mention of them, maybe it was my eyes
- quote for water or do you have water source nearby?
- you'll just need to buy more cement as work progresses
- honestly, you might need wood/planks in hundreds and it helps to safe keep them for reuse
- foundation filling sand?
- 1 roll of binding wire may not be enough for just the lintel let alone the decking. You'll need several roles
- I think that you'll need more iron rods

Charge for workmanship (#250k) is not realistic unless labour is kobo kobo in your area.
Ask him to break it down to show how they reflect in the following:
- foundation digging & blinding
- mason
- electrician
- carpenter
- iron bender
- decking labourers
- builder's supervision fee etc

I doubt this builder's competence/sincerity and it's better to get other quotes and compare.
Please don't wait a day longer once you find a trusted builder: cost of materials are increasing everyday. All the best in everything and please let us learn one or two things from your experience once the work begins.
PEACE!

Well said. There is always a confusion on the bolded above. When @Jffbello says 'from foundation to decking level', what does this really mean?. Does the materials include the completion of the decking?. @Jffbello needs to clarify this from the builder. I do not know of how tonnage is calculated but when my brother was handling mine, he was buying a full trailer load from Okpella and the price was in the range of 130k - 150k.

spyder880: Sorry bros, I have been very busy of late. That my simple design burglary goes for N9k for a 4x4 window with thick square pipes. Lighter pipe will be done with about N6.5k naira.

@Spyder. Please no vex. Can you post a pix of this or refer me to the particular page if you have already displayed it.

spyder880: For the plain ones (the ones in the rooms behind the house) thick - N5k and light N3.8k each 4x4 ft window.

@Spyder. Please no vex. Can you post a pix of this or refer me to the particular page if you have already displayed it.


When i got a quote for burglary, i thought the guy was trying to rip me off. With what you have just said and posted, I can see clearly that the quote is more than reasonable. Make i go call the guy sharp sharp before he changes his mind.

spyder880: Conduit will take around 200k, good quality materials and labour. Surface will be cheaper. This does not include toiletries.

Thanks for the info. I intend to do surface. Looking at your present project in Owerri, i want to believe that conduit is better and easier to do at the block forming stages than when block forming has been completed.

spyder880: Yes I have finished the house, (if you will allow me to claim I have finished only the downstair section) my family will be moving in this week. The costs has gone past N5m if I can remember but there is no time to itemize the expenses.

@Spyder. Do you have an idea of what it cost to do the entire pumbling works of a duplex?. A range will suffice so that i can know how to plan.

@Vito. Please i want to know if you have fixed doors. If so, did you buy the doors from Benin. If so, i will like to know the place so that i can also source from there.

vitodorado: @NL1960. Bro, these your quotes are a bit on the high side. But if you need a more competitive quote from the guy that did mine, i will revert to you soon.

However, the POP work has commenced on my building and these are some of the pics so far;

Thanks. I will be waiting and i will appreciate if i can get your feedback before weekend as i need to take a decision by weekend.

spyder880: By ready, I mean the toilet seats are installed but not connected, (toilet septic tank work still ongoing) the tilers are still working on the tiles and are yet to close some little gaps, but the boys sure know the job, speed plus skills.

@spyder880. Is the tilling of the wall of this bathroom the entire wall or just to the halfway or window level?.

Jussi: ^^^
Welldone NL1960, you guys have really inspired a lot of us. Please do you remember how much it cost to plaster your entire house (inside/outside). How did you negotiate with workers (cost/m2 or in partitions) or you gave the entire plastering on contract? I love the neatness of your plastering. Could there be any possible advantages of plastering before installing the windows/doors, or you just installed the window frames? I'm considering completing the conduit wiring and installing the inlet/outlet plumbing pipes before plastering. You probably did some initial plumbing work before plastering. Thanks a lot for sharing!

@Jussi. My elder brother in the villa is the one handling everything. Once i see any small change or leftover amount in my account, i immediately call him and ask him the next stage of work and i send him what i have to continue. So he does all the negotiations, haggling, 'gidigbo fights' etc with the workers. In some stages, he negotiates with the Supervising Builder, advances money to him and the Supervising Builder then negotiates and pays his workers.

Using mine as a reference, i have not seen any disadvantages. I wanted to complete the heavy money aspect of plastering before taking on other areas. That is why i left out the windows till now. This present window stage will involve the installation of the windows frames and the windows. I was told that i cannot fix the windowhood (POP) until the window frames have been done. Just as i was told this, i saw some small change in my account and i quickly called him to start the window process starting with the window frames so that the windowhood can be mounted. Iam yet to do the plumbing. That is the next stage. I just reckon that it will not have much effect on the plastering if done after plastering.