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eldee:
Is it Nigerian men, or the spinster herself?

none of the above. na condition make crayfish bend. . . . . . .

syren:
She didn't lie, she thought it was true, naive is a better word

feminism. . . . . . . u can even say she said a white lie

I hate the fact that his health is now becomin an issue. of course i dont wish him ill.
but more than one year in power, he has done next to nothing. . . . . . . . . . spare me the details of his health

beauteous:
thirded

fourthed

Mesmerize:
ha!!!!
see sexist!

am I lyin?

but its true. . . . .

beauteous:
I'ma just want to be correct in that area cuzz i dnt think its diffy too.

seconded

girls can lie. . . . . . . . . . .

Mesmerize:
Who says no one is poor?
Dude, open your eyes welli welli. An unemployed man carrying a girl is likely to complain about women loving money too much!

Of course ugly guys get girls too, there are some naija men in a relationship right?

is every girl an asset?

u make it sound as if the best tin that can ever happen to a man is to have a grl, . . . . . horse shit

so d fact that he is unemployed disqualifies him from having a grlfriend.
as far as I m concerned I will not date a liability. neither will I date a grl who I dont respect.
A grl who tinks money is all can never earn my respect.

[quote author=sista-jay link=topic=146333.msg2437141#msg2437141 date=1214769699]And why do men want women only for their toto?[/quote]says who?

Mesmerize:
abi o. . the poor ones are always complaing about gold diggas or they keep insisting that "love is everything"
The ugly ones are always complaining about women being natural biarches

abeg, get some money to take care of your woman and go gay!

no one is poor. the issue is must a grl b a liability? and who told u there r no grls 4 ugly guys?

vivaladiva:
money makes the world go round

very typical

419er:
You're trying to say that if a company needs 10 workers 20 applied they have to accept all because they all has rights to work abi?

lol. . . . . . .

RedHotChic:
Why won't you forgive her? Most guys fear women like that simply because they are scared her womb may not be strong enough to carry more babies but if she already has a child for you, her past is history.

Y is her past history and the ex murder guy's past not history?

she has killed a foetus, who might end up as the president of nigeria.


https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-146576.0.html _{join d debate here}

419er:
Brother you're still to convince me with clues.

u gave 2 instances which u tink justify abortion, and I disputed them reminding u that every foetus has a right to live.
A right to either suffer or prosper _{the choice is not ours to make but the child}
A normal right like u and I have. to a future, education and also a right to grow up and debate on NAIRALAND.

and I concluded by asserting that the only justifiable exclusion is if the birth of the baby will lead to the death of the mother.
the convincing is left to u, but here are my reasons.

eldee:
Nah . . .It's not everyday you see a Nick-Mariah type oooh

The same thing that made the 60mill Nigerian guys see and run away, are you sure the Yanks won't see that same thing?

lol . . . . . _{i no fit shout}

419er:
Please let's put in consideration some inconveniences facing some single mother today and some married couples without someone to help them in taking care of children while they're off to work.


I know the only solution religious people has to offer is the woman should stay at home or they should stop having sex.

Those are not genuine reasons _{so i tink} u cant abort because u are facing difficulties or dont have someone to take care of d baby.

and concerning sex, I tot there is sometin called safe sex

TOH:
Well same way you believe a peson has no rule over their own womb, you have no say over what they should do with a threatening baby, no be so?

those are two different instances.The mother with a threatnin baby has little or no option. Infact the doctors will readily recommend abortion to u.

The one with a free-will womb is just wicked and callous.

Esss:
In the event of a heart-break, I guess Murder is permissible.

Lol. . . . .

uhmn.

@ poster

when u have a product. It always has its positive and negative sides. As a marketer u concentrate on the positive sides.
u are both the product and the marketer, concentrate and make use of those unique attributes u have got. It will definitely attract someone who will cherish them.

If a black man will make noise about ur age, abeg go marry whiteman. just enjoy the blessings of marriage.

uhmn.

@ poster

when u have a product. It always has its positive and negative sides. As a marketer u concentrate on the positive sides.
u are both the product and the marketer, concentrate and make use of those unique attributes u have got. It will definitely attract someone who will cherish them.

If a black man will make noise about ur age, abeg go marry whiteman. just enjoy the blessings of marriage.

I dont dispute the fact that we have a failed leadership.
but the plans could also never have worked, because they do not put the nigerian nature into consideration.

meaning bad leadership + western policy = failure

bad leadership + locally breed policy = average e.g option A4

good leadership + locally breed policy = success

@ TOH
ur response to the Love and Crime topic was liberal and fair.

TOH:
and who are you to make that exception? If you believe God is against abortion completely, who are you to make any exceptions?

My exception is a function of understanding. understanding that it is the will of God that we live and not die to proclaim His works.
I dont know y a child whose birth is detrimental to the health and living of his mother should not be aborted.
and by abortion for me personal, thats not an option cos I do believe in miracles.

but it is cogent and morally understandable if the birth of that chilf will lead to the death of his mother.

@ kobo

I d like to think u now c it from my point of view.

419er:
No, there is no room for insult, But Abortion in the case is not a crime and should not be in no form consider as a criminal act.
Sometimes we may be force by circumstance to live a certain life which may be cruel.

so cruelty is acceptable if the propagator is supposedly "ignorant"

Abortion is denying someone the right to live. The right to a future and the fufilment of a destiny.
Abortion is callous and condemnable by both moral, intellectual and spiritual standards.
I will make exception for only genetic cases. and in this instance, I mean that when the birth of the child can lead to the death of the mother

lucabrasi:
they have not been fair to nigeria as a whole but they have been especially unfair to the niger delta people

thats just a propaganda.
and who are the supposed niger-delta people.

what problems do they have that other nigerians dont?

ima1:
forget Love, he commited a crime, which trumps being in love on my own side, i will turn him in immediately if not he might kill me when i am asleep. if i shut my mouth the i run the risk of such crime occuring again and this time with my own kid,

so turn him in please.

so he doesnt deserve a second chance?

419er:
How intelligent could this thread be[b] if not putting your level of reasoning to march that of my great grand fathers.[/b]
You base in London if I'm correct.

I didnt get that. _{hope say u no yab me}
and Yes i m based in london

419er:
Mr. Noetic your reducing the amount of respect I do have for you by making such an irrelevant thread here.

i posted it in the romance section, as a result of a debate in another thread.
I dont know who transfered it to the politics section

419er, no vex.

davidylan:
thou shalt not abort a baby - if u don't want it shut your legs.
In the event of rape - abortion is permissible.

cant she seek for medication to prevent pregnancy?

@ TOH and Ima1

pls give ur opinion on the Love and Crime thread. It will help in debatin with u guys here.

TOH:
Are you aware you just contradicted yourself?

Where in the Bible does it say this so called murder known as abortion is a sin EXCEPT for rape, genetic dieases, threat to mother's life.

So it's ok for you to assume abortion is a sin according to God but it's ok for humans to add "exceptions" of when it's "justifiable"

I ask again, is this a JOKE?

seconded. even in the scriptures, when Jacob commited incest. the daughter in law still gave birth to d baby.
the scriptures does not condone abortion.

Mesmerize:
And plz when did I mention that? If she knew what she was doing while sleeping with the guy, if she wanted the sex, that's another problem. She's not a victim, she knew what she was doing so why should her abortion be looked at as forgivable abortion?

good. now i get ya opinion.

NubianQ:
you have to read what i agreed to in the first place. she made sense because as much as we condemn it, its something that happens in different circumstances.

and is there any acceptable circumstance apart from a genetic disease?

syren:
I'm against unnecesary abortions that's why I class it as murder.

and i would like to tink unneccesary includes just genetic diseases, right?

Mesmerize:
arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrg!! a spouse? when did I mention a spouse?
look here, my friend. . I said sometimes the victim of rape might not want the baby. . therefore she has the right to abort it.

No pls dont get me wrong.

This thread is a continuation of the Love and Crime thread.
if a spouse murderous past should b reported to the cops cos its unforgivable.
Y should a conscious abortionist b forgiven?

@ Nubian

so abortion is justifiable? because na u get ur womb , abi?

uhmn.

TOH:
Why are people SO NOSY?

Why do you care if a person decides to abort their own kid? How does it affect YOUR life?

How does one compare first degree murder to abortion? Are you people mentally sound?

first u dont have to b rude in makin a point.

no one has no right to abort a kid. religious or moral.
that kid has a right to life. he has a destiny and a future.

if there is anytin called first degree murder, then its abortion.

Mesmerize:
Yes, abortion is moral against humanity, it's murder. In some cases, one has to understand that there are sometimes no options for the woman but to abort the baby.

and the only exception should be the case of a genetic disease.

now please give me a reason y i should forgive a spouse who consciously commited abortion?