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@ Daviddylan.

I quite agree with a lot of positions and analogies u stated above, . . . u explained the nigerian spirit.

but what i dont agree or quite understand is ur position that until we devise a new people based constitution there is no way out.

are u suggesting another national conference or a soveign national conference? and was there an old people based constitution?
and to enable my imagination, please state a scenario of what u tink will be achieved trough such a conference or constitution

cheers

uhmn . . . . . .

Radiant:
Always speaking big grammar yet nothing to show. Let's just say Nigeria is a carousel.

this is serious

dblock:
You going to swim to Equatorial Guinea or What?

Benin is right next door, or maybe you like Cameroon?

or no, Chad is good, or maybe Niger is your fancy

or maybe you're willing to make the distance to Ghana.

You're a liabilty, We don't need you 1/140 000 000

I'll reply to your post tomorrow Goodnight

lol. . . . . that was really funny. . . . .

@ post

I tink rudeness is synonymous to grls especially nigerian grls. . . .very loud n rude
men can b aggressive, but its a rare thing. aggression can also b good, depending on where it is directed to.

did it have to b so long?

landis:
Guys, we are simply not serious: sample

why can't we have standard world-class road from Lagos to Onitsha?

Onitsha Bridge was built in 60s, it has never been maintained or serviced.

I would not be surprised if it crashes and kill thousands.

We are simply backward people. We either change our ways or perish together.

well illustrated and well stated.

Nigeria undoubtedly presently suffer from bad leadership.





@ kobo.

me not seeing things as u c it, does not mean I m far from reality. as a matter of fact, I m within the scope of reality.

There are two issues being peddled around in this debate. one is the issue of copying from the west and the other is the issue of bad leadership in nigeria.
please don't mistake my disagreement on your position on western importation of ideas to mean that I m excusing the failed leadership in nigeria.
as a matter of fact, nigerian leadership has failed and so also is the notion of importing western ideas.

I can as such say that Nigerian leadership has failed at all levels as butresed by landis, big b1 and away4real including yourself.
but I beg to differ on the issue of western ideas and practices, their practices have failed in Nigeria without excuses for any past leader.


[quote author=Kobojunkie link=topic=145061.msg2456295#msg2456295 date=1215103008]Dude… they work in Nigeria. Look at Obasanjo’s own farm. Ever wonder how come his personal farm seems to transfer the knowledge and tools, with practically no obstruction but when he was to do same with Agriculture in Nigeria, he failed at the same?? Are you sure it is the idea itself that failed but silly people playing games?? Do you realize how we are being deceived by this mentality that our reality is stupidity??
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are u refering to obasanjo's first or second coming to power? if you're refering to the second, I can boldly tell u that his agricultural policy suceeded. his policy was capitalist driven to corner economic wealth into the hands of a few. Obasanjo's farm is a good testimony. and only rich men and politicians like Dangote, Danjuma, abdusalami et all are able to farm succesfully in nigeria during obasanjo's govt.

That obasanjo did not meet your farming expectation or mine is not the issue, the issue is he used a capitalist notion copied from the west to enable a few rich feed millions of people. but if u ask me, I d say he failed and my reason is because he applied western capitalist traits into our nation biulding.

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Rubbish! This is nothing but more and more excuses and nothing substantial. Don’t you think policies already come with plans to educate those to be involved?? What is with all the excuses you keep posting over and over??
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I think you're d one giving irrelevant excuses here. what form of education is IWU supposed to give a man who never attended a primary or secondary school, about how to use electronic voting system few weeks to an election?

I don't understand y u can't c the obvious picture. option A4 is a made in nigeria product, never used anywhere in d world, yet it worked out fine in Nigeria. regardless of our illitracy rate, it still worked well. and I understand that up to 8 theories were designed before option A4 was chosen. do u have a problem with originality?

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Obasanjo imported farming ideas into the same Nigeria and look where his farm is right now?? Look at other private areas and think please. Stop trying to create a mountain out of nothing.
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Kobo, were his farming ideas between 1999-2007 socialist or welfarist driven? NO.
They were capitalist in nature, they bought ferterliser with government money, distributed it to capitalists like himself and they have good and bouyant farms that feed 150 million nigerians.

The issue is capitalism as a wstern import is not suitable for nigeria. YES obasanjo is a failure, but his failure is enhanced by western ideas which are not applicable to nigeria.

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Being resistant to ideas from outside of your own shores is one thing but I am sorry, this is just you being ridiculous now. There is nothing realistic about all you have posted so far. Instead of continuing to claim the plans or ideas are faulty, can you please leave bias to the side and start dealing wisely here by being honest about the reality we have in Nigeria??
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and may I ask what is the reality in this case?

If your analogy of being pro-western results to intellectual laziness on our part, then it is not an option.

why cant we have a welfarist or socialist driven democracy to cater for 100 million poor and empower at least another 30 million into the middle class? why can't we resort to a regional system of government of the first republic or make a new system that reflects our diversity and peculiarity?
why can't we have a socialist driven healthcare and educational facilities?

let me state here again, that I do appreciate western development, policies, ideas and practices to a great extent. but their development and ideas are poducts of knowledge which reflect on their society and cultural diversity. Is it too much if I ask that we also resort to knowledge (the drawing board) and enable development which reflects on our own diversified society?

I m asking again, what did china or saudi arabia from the west? because as far as I m concerned every body went to the drawin board and brought up ideas that reflect on their society.

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This is like listening to someone tell of how he believes it is not possible for him to have a shelf when he has right in front of him a shelf-in-a-box that comes with a all the necessary parts and tools needed to assemble it, a good user’s manual that explains the ABC’s of putting together the shelf, a phone number to call for help and even a service that will help build and deliver the already put together shelf to the user’s house for free. Instead of taking advantage of the available resources, he sits and blames the box for his not having a shelf. What the heck!!
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kobo, your analogy here is not applicable to this argument/debate.
The shelf was assembled, but became useless because it wasnt needed in the first place, the man had no radios, speakers, TV or large volume of books to store in the shelf. A table with a lamp was all that was needed because what the man had was just 3 books to read for an exam. this shelf now houses mosquitoes and rats, who now constitute a nuisance.
can't u understand that situations that warrant human demands are always different?

get it straight, western ideas are beautiful but they don't suit us and please don't tell me I m excusing some failed leaders.

Fhemmmy:
I will like to understand who the thread starter is blaming, the people that are hungry and are being fed by someone with a heart and at leasy helping in his own way or is it the people that are hungry and the govt or me and you can't help, because we are so busy with our own " how to make " food on our table be enough?
I am trying so hard to understand what this thread is all about.
I am sure among the hungry people would be graduates that can't get a job, or kids that the parents can't even affford to take care of.
In one word, we have a nation where the govt and the people just don't care about her people.
God will help.
However, if you can help. please do, else, don't blame or curse out those that are heping.

No one is aking any one not to help. but pls dont in the name of feeding and empowering the helpless masses, colonize them politically like adedibu did.
help because u genuinely want to.

Kobojunkie:
The above is exactly what I thought to make you understand after reading my posts @Noetic.

I got ur point clearly. But I m only being realistic and practical here, kobo. For no reason, these things have never worked in nigeria. Our mentality, orientation and way of life is different.
A policy from the west is implemented on the background that they have a literacy rate of over 70%. we have an illitracy rate as much as that including other societal factors like religious intolerance. cant we just put that into consideration when making our policies?

But no, we import these policies and expect the success rate that the west have. But if we go to the drawin board and develop ideas that reflect on our situation, the chances of success are higher. . . . . .

away4real:
@ noetic,

Its your kind of thinking and knowledge that has gotten us to where we are.

very funny. . . .

Can u read your logic, invent a cutlass and go through a learning curve that will involve a lot of one step forward 5 backward. There is a tried and tested hoe that requires a bit of modification and you will get the whole land cultivated, but no u choose to invent a cutlass.

did u read kobo's initial analogy of the hoe. my guess is NO.
Mr A is lefthanded, the hoe was designed to suit his particular situation. MrB is right handed u are suggesting he modifies the hoe to suit him, where is he supposed to get skills for modification since u propose that a learning process will result in one step forward and 5 backwards?

If u ask the average western enterpreneur, why africa is underdeveloped? they'd gladly tell you that all that is needed for development is in the book, but the average black man will never study and learn to acquire thes skills.

and coutesy of ur analogy all we need is to continue to recycle this western created schemes at our own detriment, without resorting to learning . what exactly are u saying?

morover, the bone of contention/debate is not limited to technology, it is in all ramifications from political to educational to economical, judicial. . . . . in all ramifications of nation biulding. No one doubts the development of the west, but these things were a function of neccesity which reflects on their society.

my take is cant we create intellectual solutions that reflect on our society. we dont have stable electricity, so y use electronic voting from the west?

Pray tell who owns this knowledge, every political philosophy/scientific knowledge are deeply rooted in the west. China has so much spies in Britain and America stealing technology. You absolutely think they invented the whole cycle? Keep deceiving your self.

are we talking about the same china? who has been the biggest earner of foreign direct investment (FDI) over the past decade? where did the money for (FDI) come from? china or the west?

the west is heavily investing in china to make its environment safe, to avoid poluution and to get cheap labour. China remains the biggest exporter of finished goods to the united states. So if the west is putting money to china for industrilization, isnt it commonsensical that they export technology to china to enable their investments? your argument is invalid.

and like I initially asked, what exactly has china copied from the west? communism? an anarchy driven state?
lack of freedom of speech? totalitarianism? or cheap and debilitating labour? what did china copy from the west?

Look at Nigeria in Liberia and Sierre Leone after spending so much and loosing so much lives, what do we have to show for it, we were sent packing, because we don't realise its all about INTEREST. Liberia should have been a heaven for Made in Nigerian goods had we had a proper thinking government, Onitsha and Aba should be exporting like wild fire to Liberia and Siere leone.

Now these are two different arguments. Nigeria has failed in this regard due to lack of forsight. How does this relate to the issue on ground?

Keep the anti west narrative going, in short start a Nigerian National party, where electricity is not available in the air port. Absolute rubbish.

this is where u get it wrong, mister. No one is anti-west. I am pro-Nigerian.
I put u to task, give practical examples of policies from the west that heve been imported to nigeria and has worked and give exmaples of nigerian made ideas that have failed. that should be a new chapter for this debate.

sistawoman:
Thats my Husband. Oh Thank you God for sending me my Angel. I love that man sooooooo much.

lucky you. . . . . . our type is uncommon

anonimi:
When/how will we be outraged into doing something, no matter how little to start the change we all so much desire
All these crooks don't we know them
Are they aliens? Non-Nigerians, not our parents, kids, uncles, aunties, cousins, nephews, friends, colleagues, churchmate, ex-schoolmate etc Whose connection we seek seriously and attend their parties or even organise award ceremonies to acknowledge they have arrived and we also want to arrive
Are they not honoured with chieftaincy titles, christian and m'uslim leadership roles in our midst
Do we not know civil servants and private sector workers who live definitely above their legitimate income saying them don cut deal - smart alecs
How many of us actually pay our PHCN bills promptly even when we are not supplied any electricity since we rented their metre and are connected to the national grid on standby for whenever there is electricity
Ok, no be our fault all the above, na good leader wey we no get, no be so Make we dey sleep dey go!

rightly said.
Charity begins at home. unless we begin to ask questions and demand for answers at all levels, until then, Nigeria cannot b d nation of our dreams.

bebure:
As I said hoping for change in Nigeria at this point is ideological and in my opinion not a very realistic dream. I feel what we need is a smart and well educated president with an iron grip. Someone who is willing to send anyone who does something as little as throwing litter on the road into jail or forcing them to pay a significant fine (say 30% of their salary or so). Someone who is willing to jail any government official found guilty of corruption for life (no special treatment).

I know this might seem harsh but let's face it, democracy cannot succeed in Nigeria. We need to instill fear in the citizens in the hope that one day in the future, we are all of a civillised mindset because of those fears of our past and are able to say no to corruption.

Extreme I kow but neccessary.

this leadership u describe here is only attained revolutionarily. This is due to the fact that the system as presently constituted cannot enable us to to position such a leader in power. I am an advocate of an intellectual revolution pioneered by this generation. Which can only be done collectively
By setting standards of practice at all levels, in individual, cooporate and public capabilities.
By living up to these standards and becoming ideal role models for other unborn generations.
By setting an intellectual and welfarist driven frame work on a long term basis to formulate policies and progressive concepts and ideas that reflect on our societal.cultural and religious diversity, to bring out 100m nigerians from the trenches of poverty.
By offering leadership at the political level to orchestrate this revolution
By risking all to gain all. . . . . being able to pay the ultimate price. . . . . . which cld lead to death.

We all just need to stand up to b counted.

lonelypal:
here comes another (W.A.N) Women Advocate of Nigeria

lol. . . .

@ poster

I think u got that wrong. Mary's virginity was emphasised because she gave birth without a sexual intercourse.
according to jewish traditions in those days, it is a taboo to marry as a non virgin.
Mary was fovoured amongst the many virgins around.

and do people still search for virgins for a wives?

ademocrat:
If
1) PHCN acquires MTN
2) FIFA asks under 17 boys to return their trophy because the youngest among them is 36 years old
3) Akala is taking over from Soludo as CBN Governor.
4) Enyimba fc is buying 91% of chelsea football club
5) Odili is taking over from Ribadu as EFCC chairman

I will just smile. . . . . . . lol. . .

kokoye:
You do not need a Yes or No , since she thinks your ignoring her. You guys are dating. Start shagging.

LMAO

1luvkipsus:
These Yorubas sef.

uhmn

wham:
I love nairalanders!

I knew this would make the HEADLINES!

Its been a while I had a topic make the front page of the website

THANKS!

lol. . , . .

just make a stand, and let her know u want an answer.

[quote author=jek_kad link=topic=146832.msg2447355#msg2447355 date=1214944150]i give u a couple more years,like david said some of them used to think like u when they were your age

hard to get or no hard to get for d girl to even stress d guy in d first place and not give him a positive answer is enough to hurt him[/quote]u did not have not have to be rude to make a point. . . . . u have a lot of growin up to do

[quote author=jek_kad link=topic=146832.msg2447335#msg2447335 date=1214943845]what ego man?was she d one that approached u first?[/quote]and in the case the girl was only attemptin to play hard to get, and because of her initial refusal, u decided to back off. is her ego not hurt?

didnt u c d above?

StephenP:
Naw . . . he'll easily fix it with some alcohol.

[quote author=jek_kad link=topic=146832.msg2447285#msg2447285 date=1214943224]if only d guys will be truthful to themselves for once ,we all know that when a girl refuses a guy ,it hurts his ego no doubt[/quote]and in the case the grl was only attemptin to play hard to get, and because of her initial refusal, u decided to back off. is her ego not hurt?

we are all different. I dont c a grl as an asset or as sth so special like we tend to make it seem.
based on who I am, no grl gets to know me n wants to leave.
I m just too much of an asset. this is my subconscious mind. . . . . . and as such I c a grl who turns down my hand of "fellowship" as d looser.

desgiezd:
I'll suggest uniforms for them, u know, like red tops and red trousers or lime on red. How'bout that?

seconded

u guys make it sound as if a grl is one great asset to behold. . . . . . . . and yet we treat em as

I cant and have never gone out my way to get a grl.

if i ask a grl out or even asks for her number, and she refuses. na who loose, me or she?

na she loose.

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May the Lord have mercy.[/quote]Amen

dayokanu:
Soon occult would come and pack money from federation account.

At least his mentor OBJ was quoted to have said we would fight apartheid in South Africa with African Juju.

Nairaland no go kill me. . . . . . .

This is Africa, where leaders are expected to have a great influence on the people. Here I mean traditional or conventional leaders and not political leaders.

In the name of peace for the "niger-delta" some people call themselves leaders and have been attending confrences, residing in 5 star hotels, collecting monies in form of royalties, support and sponsor militancy and some participating in illegal oil bunkering. why have these leaders not found an imminent solution all this while? why another conference?

I have no doubt in my mind that just like Gambari said _{with the exclusion of Ken saro-wiwa} these guys are criminals.
another waste of money at the detriment of the common man.

@ ebmulo

u spoke well. . . . . . . but hw come u knw so much?. . . . . . . r u a woman wrapper? _{just kidding}

nana:
i concur

i second the concurtion. . . . . . . . .